1998/03/16 04:22
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #199
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 199
Today's Topics:
Re: universal approach [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: GG or me [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #192 [ "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net ]
Re: Handshake to Lobster and Love to [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: The Roberto Gonzales del Valle S [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: The Lobster Situation [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: Excuse Me [ "Dave" <linnymATnospamnidlink.com> ]
Re: GG or me [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: Words from a new friend!! [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Attitude [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
(no subject) [ Geoff Mahoney <geoffmATnospamsihope.com> ]
Re: universal approach [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
RE: African magic, juju, witch docto [ Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserv ]
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:01:51
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: universal approach
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At 08:51 15/03/98 PST, Roberto Gonzales del Valle wrote:
>Good one Ann!
>Kundalini is about experience not
>taugh-by-other-even-if-one-doeesnt´understand. About Mystress, dear
>Angelique: What`s your opinion about all this?
Nice to be asked for my opinion, even if I am supposed to be on my way to
a meeting for the Gathering for Life on Earth right now.. I am "volunteer
co-ordinator".. the whip is purely decorative.. (Grin) Actually, I am
bringing a wire "whip" from the kitchen utensils, as a joke.. :D
Kundalini IS anti bible, coz the bible tries to tell people how to live,
and forbids activities which might lead to waking K. The bible is a
document about control of others, rules and coercion, an empty hostage
threat against your limitless soul, and a mockery of the unconditional Love
and acceptance of Goddess.
Well, you asked for my opinion... :)
Ghandi said, "The Still, small voice within, is the only tyrant I will
accept". A voice, not a book or religion.
Kundalini says listen to the path of temptation, be true to your Self,
listen to your heart, follow your bliss. I see these attitudes as being in
some opposition.
Yet, I can look into the bible and see under it and thru it.. the serpent
on the tree of life, the fiery red apple, is K. The male and female are our
own male-fem duality, the creative unconscious is the opposite gender to
the body.
These is some wisdom in the bible, I was raised on it so I tend to think
in that mythology.. adapted... as the bible itself was adapted from
mythologies that came before.. one culture conquers another, rips off their
myths and adapts them to thier own repressive purposes. X-mas = Yule is
pagan, so is Easter = Ostara. Once the Serpent was an object of worship,
that meant our Mother the Earth alive within us. Joseph Campbell did a lot
of interesting research on that topic, following down the threads of myth.
Sometimes with amusement I think of myself as a "christian in denial"..
LOL! Contrariwise, this makes christians, every yule and Easter, pagans in
denial. Heh heh...
As I tell christians when I do their heart opening.. "ya know them
pichers of the fiery bleedin' heart of Jesus, and how it is always depicted
in the middle, and he said everybody had one? Well, it's true, and it's
that warm glow you feel loving you right now in the middle of your chest..
and you can talk to it.. and it will answer." Blessed be. I speak to others
in their own spiritual language, as best I can.
When I am dealing with a Christian tho, I always be sure to get them to
ask the heart voice if Satan is a real creation of God or an invention of
the minds of men.
It ALWAYS denies the reality of the devil. Heart chakra says there is no
being of evil sent to harm, there is only humans making up reasons for not
trusting in the Unconditional love of Creator. By fear, we maintain the
illusion of separateness from Creator.
When they really get that truth and feel it inside of them, it is
beautiful to see the kriyas and shaking and tears of joy, as they release
their fear of Satan and surrender to the unconditional love pouring thru
the opened heart. Wow. Sigh.
I feel so bloody honored to do this work, and awed at the transformations
that happen in my playroom, that I cannot contain the feeling. I have to
send it out my head to Goddess, and go do something else.. I cannot dwell
on it. It is too vast.
So, I'd haveta say.. the bible says Satan is real, I have talked to
God-dess via hundreds of hearts that say it isn't. If you are K. awakened,
with an open heart, pretty soon you are going to be taking a salt shaker
either to the heart voice or to the bible.. and since the bible is a book,
and K. is a living loving presence within.. likely it is the bible that
will be taking a header.. or at least, getting a creatively inspried
re-interpretation.. :) And thus, yet another church is created..
Whether you call it the heart chakra or unconditional love or the fiery
bleedin' heart of Jesus, or Zarcon, or the buddha nature, it is all One.
Makes no difference. God shapes Herself into the forms we can understand
and She is All that Is.
I remember once, someone responded to my website, trying to "save" me..
with some flimsy excuse for being there is the first place.. LOL!!
He said he was an employment counsellor for young people, and presumed I
must be a suffering miserable unspiritual sinner, who was beating men out
of anger.. oh goody another one.. sigh. .. he was looking for someone to
debate the essay on creation he had been inspired to write after seeing
Jesus during an NDE.
This man was dying of cancer, and determined to save as many "sinners"
with his version of the bible as possible before he went... his manifesto
on reality was this great long text attachment.. he was lookin' to rassle..
I didn't wanna play.. he seemed a very nice man, but he was making
assumptions on presumptions and trying to back it up with faulty physics.
So I gave him love, and coded his manifesto into an HTML doc with a nice
blue background and sent it back to him as a gift saying that he was now
equipped to dispense his own web propaganda. Free speech on the net.. don't
like my website, then put up yer own.
Go attract folks who are interested, instead of pestering those who are
not... he was most upset that I would not wrassle and asked me why.. I
explained that he had based his entire thesis on a single flawed
presumption.. that since Jesus showed up at the end of the tunnel of light
for him, that everybody who had an NDE saw Jesus, who was therefore the one
true Lord and all that.. yadda yadda..
Well, that ain't so. Everybody sees their own version of Grace, at the
end. Unconditional love, natually shows up at the end, in the shape we will
most easily recognise It, and that depends on culture and individual
uniqueness.
Since he had not bothered to do the minimal research needed to disprove
this assumption, especially considering the large volume of information
available on NDE's on the net, I could not be bothered to even begin to
debate the rest of his manifesto. I had supported him to better spread the
inspiried writings he felt were so important, as his final mission, and I
wished him the best of luck doing so.. elsewhere.
Joshua wrote:
>>...First of all, beware of
>>anything that glorifies a snake!
Hey Joshua.. Ya know what the Serpent within me suggests? It has given me
a powerful vision of an uncensored XXX BDSM ritualistic Goddess worshipping
kundalini church on sattelite Pay TV, that will blast out love to wake the
serpents in curiosity seeking porno watching capitalists who never read the
bible, worldwide. I said thankyou Goddess, that sounds like fun..:)
Feel the warmth of my breath as I blow you a kisssssssssssss.
Blessings, Mystress Serpent.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
-- Harry Emerson Fosdick
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:06:37 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
cc: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>,
Jan Barendrecht <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: GG or me
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Hi anandajyoti,
What are those words which are not appropriate?
Love,
anurag
On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, anandajyoti wrote:
>
>
> Anurag Goel wrote:
>
> > Hi Jan,
> > What you have said is an awakening thought because having little
> > bit of experiences of K doesn't mean your full kundalini is
> > awakened.
>
> > Anandajyoti> Why do we have to use verbiage which rather expresses
>
> > judgemental attitude? Because words have power, in the East its also
>
>
>
> > known Sabda Brahman. It behoves us to use our words appropriately,
>
>
>
> > otherwise I feel we only feed the fire of our ego. Don't we?
>
>
>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:58:53 -0500
From: "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #192
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Joseph Miller wrote....
>Don't go in for the "extreme" yoga with all the ropes and props. If you
>can't do it on a mat with a reasonable amount of clear floor space it is
>over the top. I say that because some of the programs getting the most
>attention, in the US at least, were never designed to deal with
>Kundalini (traditional Hatha is intended to prepare the body for
>Kundalini movements). These 20th century versions of Hatha often appear
>to be better for the physical body than the traditional forms but they
>don't have the basis in the proper movements of the subtle body that the
>masters who developed yoga had.
Interesting.....what is "extreme" about yoga using ropes and props?.... various forms of Iyengar Yoga come to mind......to me this is just an intermediate stage
until one can do the positions without ropes and props.....certainly this is not the
classical yoga passed down over the centuries....but not being overly young and
flexible, it can be very discouraging to be presented with a bunch of positions that
one just can't do.......using ropes and props enables one to not only achieve some
level of accomplishment, thus providing encouragement to continue with the program, but also with a means to gradually increase ones flexibility so that the
more classical positions can eventually be achieved.......well, i'm just a novice at
yoga, but i feel that efforts in this area, even with props, can be beneficial
Rick
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 97 04:06:02 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Handshake to Lobster and Love to you ALL!
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on 15 Mar 98, Roberto Gonzales del Valle wrote...
>Hey Lobster:
>So, Lob, Am I a Sufi. Could you clear the concept to me?
A sufi is someone who does not ask questions he or she could answer themself.
>Lobster, my hand is reaching yours with the palm up. So it´s up to you.
>pal. :-).
I reject it.
This is why:
THE WOMAN WHO SAID NO
There was a woman who was in an abusive relationship with a drunken bully. She
was a lovely, kind person. Practically every day her partner would come home
drunk and beat her and shout at her.
Then he would cry and say, "I am sorry and worthless please forgive me, I will
never do this again." And of course she forgave him every time.
Then somehow (maybe she read a book or talked to some kind stranger) she found
the strength to realise what was happening and that her kindness was in fact
unkindness.
That evening her partner came home and beat her and shouted abuse at her. Later
after sobering up (and wanting to be comforted) her partner said:
"I am sorry and worthless please forgive me, I will never do this again."
And she said "NO! I do not forgive you. Let me beat you every day as you have
me, so you may feel it. Let me shout my anger at you - then you must forgive me.
Then there will be no need for forgiving."
The man was afraid.
"Your words have no meaning," said the woman, "you ask me to forgive but you
have not changed. You have not felt the pain you have caused. You will not bear
the resposibility for the future."
The man was ashamed.
Then she said, "Now I wish you to beat me. I will bear your pain with my
bruises. I will not forgive you your pain until you own it. When you beat me
know that you hurt yourself and I Love you too much to allow yourself to
continue beating yourself."
The man was humbled. He did not know what to do, he began to cry.
"I have no sympathy for you," said the woman "I have no comfort for your
distress, which is for yourself, not for me."
The man was desperate. "What should I do?"
Then the woman asked the question I ask you, "What will you do if I forgive you?
Will you beat some other poor helpless person and ask for their forgiving? Will
you make me another worthless promise?"
Most Kind Regards,
Your true friend,
the unforgiving Lobster
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 97 21:24:57 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: The Roberto Gonzales del Valle Situation
Message-Id: <970315212457.n0001087.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 15 Mar 98, Roberto Gonzales del Valle wrote...
>When I wrote about erasing your e-mails, I meant when reading half of
>them because I knew where they were going to...
My Dear Friend,
You do not realise where they are coming from. Therefore you can have no idea
where they are going . . .
>What pissed me off was when YOU WROTE:
>
>"You are so right! I have been saying that to these heathens for ages -
>Do you think they listen - they're too busy worshipping the Son - eh -
>sorry sun".
English is not your first language and the nuances of humour may have been too
subtle . . .
>"...Practically everyone on this list is possesed by demons and lies.
>Thank God that you and I are posessed by the Holy Ghost. I think we
>should get down on our knees right now and pray aloud; "Thank you Lord
>Jesus for protecting me from Mantras".
>
>Why then, staying in here?
Because I am a Secret Heathen Sun Worshipper possesed by demons and lies . . .
>So, if we are all full of demons and lies you must not take for granted
>anything we say. You must instead try to save us being possesed by the
>Holy Spirit as you are.
It was the devil who made me say I was possesed by the Holy Spirit and it is the
Holy Spirit which makes me say that . . .
>P.S: Thank you for wishing me peace. We all certainly need it. I wish
>peace to you too!. Thank you for speaking about the vivid imagination of
>us peruvians (even though put in a context were imagination could be
>replaced by freakness).
>Peace and Love are the real answer. How I wish I was around in the
>sixties. How I wish I was older and wiser.
Wisdom does not come with age, or with experience, it comes with digestion.
Digest what you know. Chew on it. Take your time.
Be Well
Peace
Lobster
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 97 04:15:35 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Lobster Situation
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on 15 Mar 98, Gloria Lee wrote...
> What follows is a prime example of the difficulties of someone for whom
>English is NOT their first language,, to actually pick up on the
>subtleties of "tongue-in-cheek" humor... (Lobster, did you not recently
>say sarcasm was not so good??)
I was being sarcastic.
Sarcasm is not the best form of humour - this is true. How Joshua reacts is now
very much my responsibility and his opportunity. I was addressing the need for
humour for the group at the expense of one person.
Some humour is free - sarcasm often bears a price.
Be well
Lobster
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:47:46 -0800
From: "Dave" <linnymATnospamnidlink.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Excuse Me
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Thank You for your concern, Gloria, but I've been through this already.
I stand corrected, for those were poorly chosen words on my part , which I
have already announced to the group. I would suggest you trace back to the
original posts by Deu8 3 ( Joshua ) and you perhaps may find he can benefit
from your "open - mindedness". Why don't you write him and watch the
response you get!
There are many friends from around the world subscribed to this newsgroup
that "share" their ideas and beliefs, which makes this an excellent vehicle
to be a part of. However, when one tries to undermine this freedom to
express, which Joshua attempted to do, why should he even be a subscriber in
the first place? His belief system is well respected....in the right place.
Perhaps in a Billy Graham newsgroup?
One I feel that responded to this in a more direct way was Lobster. You may
want to travel back in time and see his as well as others views on this, for
this news is pretty old news .
Sometimes it is more difficult to see the whole picture unless you have all
the pieces of the puzzle.
Dave
>Gloria Lee wrote:
>Just jumping in here when I truly ought to know better...but isn't even
>what you regard as a "closed minded belief system" just another
>path??
<snipped>
>Within his own belief system, even Joshua is extending some love and
>concern to you..so where's the harm in that??
>You may want to try this..no need to upset yourself.
>Glo Lee
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:55:04 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
Cc: anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in, janbarenATnospaminfase.es,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: GG or me
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Hi Harsha,
Can I know where do I lack and how is my attitude poor?
Love,
anurag
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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Harsha1MTM wrote:
> In a message dated 98-03-14 00:22:10 EST, anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in
> writes:
>
> << Hi Jan,
> What you have said is an awakening thought because having little
> bit of experiences of K doesn't mean your full kundalini is
> awakened.
>
> love,
> anurag >>
>
> Harsha writes: Jan's post was very insightful and informative. The fault lies
> in your lack of understanding and your poor attitude.
>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:54:49 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
Cc: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>,
Fernando Velez-Pardo <fvpATnospambellsouth.net>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Words from a new friend!!
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>
> Anandajyoti> Good to hear from you that sex is not a sin. In my vocabulary thoughI found
> a simple rule to life, :"Too much anything is too bad" . Balance is what is to be
> acquired and applied.
> In Ch. VI -Vs 16 & 17 in the Bhagavad Gita under Yoga of Meditation it states:
> "Nat yasna tastu yogo 'sti
> Na cai kantam anasnatah
> Na ca 'tisvapna shilasya
> Jagrato nai 'va 'ca arjuna."
> "This yoga is not for one who eats too much, nor for one who does not eat at all, nor for
> one who sleeps too much, nor for him who keeps awake too much."
>
> "Yuktahara aviharasya
> Yuktacestasta karmashu
> Yukta svapna ava bodhasya
> Yoga bhavati duhkhana "
>
> "For one who is temperate in food, recreation and in action as well, temperate further in
> sleeping and waking, destroys all sorrow".
> These two verses are comparable to the middle path expounded by Tathagata buddha in a
> later age. Aristotle also, states, "Virtue lies in the golden mean"
Anurag > Yes, you are right in whatever you have said above. A YOGI is one
who lives in the way which you have quoted above.
> Anandajyoti> The life force in the form protein
Anurag > Are you saying that life force has transformed in to protein?
Can you make the things more clear?
Anandajyoti>
> Yes, through yogic exercises a male can achieve that control, which
happens when one gets
> to consciously control the stimulus from the brain to reach the
organ for it to
> ejaculate. A similar state can also be achieved for short sometimes
elongated durations,
> through the practice of breathing techniques, which women while in labor
use to give
> birth to a child. They have the name of Kareeza in the modern vocabulary.
Anurag > I suppose you are referring to pranayama.
> Anandajyoti> There is a joke: Women menstruate once a month, men have it all the
> time.Sexual feelings are not heinous by themselves, but how they are applied in our
> relationships. Sex , sometimes is used for punishment or reward, if disappointment is
> rampant. If indulgence is present through self pity, sex could be used for compensation
> If emotions cause compulsive sexual activity, trouble follows. The grosser emotions need
> to be refined to true feelings, sex needs to be transformed to an expression of love
> and an ability that needs to be honed to surrender to each other in the relationship Even
> in young persons, this needs to be pondered upon, otherwise , it is known all over the
> world, what havoc it can create.
Anurag > You are right about sex whatever you have said.
Anurag > Guru indeed is placed higher than GOD. Even if GOD takes birth
in form of RAMA or KRISHNA still he requires a GURU to become
RAMA or KRISHNA.
SANT KABIR says in one of its DOHA
" one went in to confusion whose feet one should touch GURU"S
or GOD"S when one saw both of them standing together. KABIR
then says that he/she was GURU only who showed me GOD that's
why I surrender myself to the feet of GURU. "
One can see all GOD"S in the feet of GURU.
Moreover when the GURU is GOD relised then what is the
difference between GURU and GOD. They both are indivisible
from each other. Inspite of all this GURU is one who is
present with you physically all the time on this earth.
Love,
anurag
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:30:22 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Attitude
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Hi Anurag! :)
At 23:55 1998.03.15 +0530, you wrote:
>
>Hi Harsha,
> Can I know where do I lack and how is my attitude poor?
Well, you should take enlightenment more lightly for a start. :)))
Take care! :)
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:33:24 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net>
Cc: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>, kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
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Subject: Re: universal approach
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Hi Jeanne,
Can I know why have you made such a ststement.
" >I think we should get down on our
> >knees right now and pray aloud; "Thank you Lord Jesus for protecting me
from
> >Mantras."
>
> ...and repeat it over and over.... "
>
Love,
anurag
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= =
= kabira yeh ghar prem ka khala ka ghar nahi =
= shish utare bhoomi dhare vah pathe ghar mahi =
= =
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On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, Jeanne Garner wrote:
> At 10:38 AM 3/15/97 GMT, E Jason wrote:
>
> >I think we should get down on our
> >knees right now and pray aloud; "Thank you Lord Jesus for protecting me
from
> >Mantras."
>
> ...and repeat it over and over....
> Jeanne
> ==-* My stars!
>
>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:17:13 -0500
From: Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: African magic, juju, witch doctors etc
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Hi Anurag,
Well one reason I need such info is simple curiosity as to whether there is
any
similarity between the Indian concept of kundalini, and ideas of spiritual
energy in
other cultures. Kurt Keutzer, Druout and other list members have confirmed that
there are similarities. If kundalini is a basic energy accessible by every
human being,
then Kundalini Yoga is one example of an all-embracing theory and set of
practises.
However, it exists in a cultural and religious context - which is fine - but if
the energy
is universal, then it's worth looking at other cultures' ideas, so we can
broaden our
understanding and maybe find some useful exercises. Do you see what I'm getting
at?
Best wishes,
Tom
Hi,
Can I know why you need such info? I didn't understand
" correspondences between Indo-European and African spirituality
and the esoteric or occult"
Love,
anurag
> Hi All,
>
> It's been my observation that apart from an interest in kundalini, list
> members have broad interests in occultism, spiritual theories and so on. As a
> child I lived in Africa, and met a genuine witch doctor (i.e. one there not
jus
t
> because of tourists). What would interest me is any info on correspondences
> between Indo-European and African spirituality and the esoteric or occult.
Can
> anyone shed light on the subject?
>
> Tom
>
>
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