1998/03/14 18:42
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #194
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 194
Today's Topics:
Reptile instinct and cosmic awarenes [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospam ]
Re: power of words [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospam ]
Re: power of words [ Soulseeks <SoulseeksATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Book list?? [ Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com> ]
Impermanence - it will pass [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: Questions about Kundalini [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Riddle from old Sanskrit Lore. [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: Questions about Kundalini [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: African magic, juju, witch docto [ PEGLUMPKIN <PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com> ]
FIRST TIMER HERE - READING YOUR MAIL [ Stevetheta <StevethetaATnospamaol.com> ]
Re:Some Needed Levity [ chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Mau ]
Re: Discovering the reptile within [ PEGLUMPKIN <PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com> ]
Twins/Flames in Mythology/Culture [ Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
Re: another book for the list [ Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: African magic, juju, witch docto [ Robert Trevithick <rtrevATnospamredsuspend ]
Re: skipping chakras [ "frans" <fransATnospamtelebyte.nl> ]
Re: failure notice [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospam ]
Sorry It`s RE:BOOKS [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospam ]
Re: FIRST TIMER HERE - READING YOUR [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:44:02 PST
From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Reptile instinct and cosmic awarenes
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Original Message:
>The post regarding African shamanism and kundalini sparked me to pose a
>comment I've been musing about.
>I'm increasing tending to believe that kundalini is not a phenomenon of
our
>higher cortical brain faculties but rather the more primitive
``reptilian''
>portions of our brain. So I'm inclined to forget about relationships
>between kundalini and genius. I guess if I had any remaining prejudices
>that kundalini was linked to genius they went out with the discussions
that
>Gene Kieffer evoked late last year. But it does seem that kundalini
can
>have significant effects on our motor and emotional systems. Comments?
>Kurt
>
Kundalini gives you the bargain. If you can deal with it, it give`s you
the "whole package": Primitive insctint and cosmic awareness as two ends
tied. They`re all parts of the same thing. It`s like when we say all the
cultures around have been dealing with Kundalini. Yes, Kundalini is
something that is always there. It is the releasing of the creative
energy which by creating us is withing us. Remember Leary`s "Turn on,
Tune in, Drop out"?. (God how I wish I was around in the sixties) Well,
taking away the drop out thing, Turn K on, then Tune in itself to
everything or you will get hurt. I find the better way to Tune in is by
surrendering ego to a bigger even uncomprensible energy inside us and
around us. That`s the same enery as K. And it has been given many names,
god being one of them. Eternal Love, just that. They are all correct
because they are only names and it`s the experience behind them what
really matters. It`s realizing how it works, Realizing is not the same
as understanding our little minds can not understand what our beings are
realizing. But the mind is important to realize it`s a gate where
sensible people get a lot. That`s why books are usefull. They`ll never
take the place of teachers, healers and beings standing next to you, but
they have behind all the experience of those people, and the more
experienced the people the more in contact with the energy. So It`s
really god talking through those books as they told us when we where
kids. It`s a long way to really realizing and experiencing it. We are
all there.
Regarding genius, I personally don´t care much about it. There have been
enough enlighntened beeing whose creativeness has been used and twisted
by the ones in control. So maybe it`s better to try and live in harmony
or use the creativeness K gives you to "spread the word".
I care more about the whole race evolving but that`s a whole other trip.
I hope you`re doing and feeling Great!
Roberto.
Lima, Peru
P.S: Love makes the world go round. Let`s keep on spinning the wheel!
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:53:02 PST
From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>
To: maryATnospamsonic.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: power of words
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Yes Marry, I totally agree. Statements carry the vibes by which they
were produced. Words heal and kill. The sounds, even if read, are always
resonant on the inside. All intentions are percieved in certain levels.
Roberto.
>> Why do we have to use verbiage which rather expresses
>> judgemental attitude? Because words have power, in the East its also
>> known Sabda Brahman. It behoves us to use our words appropriately,
>
>
>
>I'd like to vote in favor of old-fashioned courtesy and consideration
and
>tact, overall.
>And against the idea "If X's words hurt Y, it's Y's fault."
>
>And especially against the idea "If my words hurt you, good, I did it
on
>purpose for your own good, and if that bothers you, it's your fault."
Or
>something like that. :-)
>
>
>
>BB
>Mary
>
>
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:23:04 EST
From: Soulseeks <SoulseeksATnospamaol.com>
To: maryATnospamsonic.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: power of words
Message-ID: <109499d3.350ae72dATnospamaol.com>
I second that vote!
Be well,
Rebecca
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:05:52 EST
From: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
To: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Book list??
Message-ID: <68dbfdbd.350ae323ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Holly,
Your description of the body being downloaded into like a computer was
absolutely wonderful!
It reminded me of one of the many ecstatic descriptions in Krishnamurti's
*Notebook*--one in particular:
"Though one had slept...on waking one was aware that all night the process was
going but, much more,...One felt as though it was operating upon one.
On waking, there was an outgoing, outpouring of this power and strength. It
was as a stream rushing out of the rocks..There was a strange and unimaginable
bliss in this, an ecstasy that had nothing to do with thought and feeling."
***
I would love some reading suggestions from people on the list. I know Kurt
and others have made bibliographies, but perhaps we can give each other maybe
5 or 6 of our favorite, helpful books. It might really help those new on the
list sift through the vast amount of "new age" literature out there.
Love, Hillary
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 07:50:37 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Impermanence - it will pass
Message-Id: <970314075037.n0000845.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
Impermanence
-- Thich Nhat Hanh
Nothing remains the same for two consecutive moments. Heraclitus said we
can never bathe twice in the same river. Confucius, while looking at a
stream, said, "It is always flowing, day and night." The Buddha implored
us not just to talk about impermanence, but to use it as an instrument
to help us penetrate deeply into reality and obtain liberating insight.
We may be tempted to say that because things are impermanent, there is
suffering. But the Buddha encouraged us to look again. Without
impermanence, life is not possible. How can we transform our suffering
if things are not impermanent?
How can our daughter grow up into a beautiful young lady? How can the
situation in the world improve? We need impermanence for social justice
and for hope. If you suffer, it is not because things are impermanent.
It is because you believe things are permanent. When a flower dies, you
don't suffer much, because you understand that flowers are impermanent.
But you cannot accept the impermanence of your beloved one, and you
suffer deeply when she passes away. If you look deeply into
impermanence, you will do your best to make her happy right now. Aware
of impermanence, you become positive, loving and wise. Impermanence is
good news. Without impermanence, nothing would be
possible. With impermanence, every door is open for change. Impermanence is an
instrument for our liberation.
Impermanence
-- Thich Nhat Hanh
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 08:10:40 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>, kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Questions about Kundalini
Message-Id: <970314081040.n0000846.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 13 Mar 98, Dan Margolis wrote...
>My questions:
>
> Are there health effects that I should be aware of?
Dear Friend,
Having seizures is not a sign of health - you have probably realised that. In
the Zen tradition the release of energy is often directed into martial arts.
This is one direction you might look at. You might also look at the walking
meditations that are a part of your tradition.
Kundalini is understood best by the tantric tradition of Tibetan Buddhists that
have their own physical yoga systems.
In the Zen traditions there is OKI yoga started by A Zen monk and forms of Tai
Chi are practiced by many Zen people. Chan (Chinese Zen) also has systems of
physical movement. An authentic tradition that uses physical movement is the
Kongo Raiden Mushindo Kai School in the UK (they are on the Web - but you will
probably have to write) but there are many others.
I would urge you to stay within the Zen tradition. Frankly the people teaching
kundalini are often, to put it politely, completely Ga Ga.
> Should I continue meditating at a Zen center where the
>teachings are not concerned with this type
> of energy movement?
You should seek additional teaching.
> Should I try to find a yoga teacher that focuses on this
>sort of energy, eventhough I'm a
> Buddhist?
These energies are dealt with in and by Buddhism.
Good Luck
Ed
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:17:34 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Riddle from old Sanskrit Lore.
Message-ID: <350AF3E9.C33B47DAATnospamgeocities.com>
I had heard this Sanskrit Riddle from another student in my college
days.
" Jabat Jivanam Aham Mouni
Pita Mama Brahmachari
Mama Mata Sada Bandha
Ca Aputraka Pitamaha
Atha Kim Aham ?
Translated it reads as:
I am silent for eternity,
My father was an absolute celibate,
My Mother was barren,
And My Grandfather was childless,
Then Who Am I ?
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:14:35 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Questions about Kundalini
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Hi Lobster! :)
At 08:10 1997.03.14 GMT, you wrote:
>on 13 Mar 98, Dan Margolis wrote...
>
>>My questions:
>>
>> Are there health effects that I should be aware of?
>
>Dear Friend,
>Having seizures is not a sign of health - you have probably realised that.
Unless it is Kundalini-related. :) I don't know much K-symptoms that are
widely known as symptoms of health, most of us here would probably be
locked in a lunatic asylum if shrinks knew of the symptoms we are going
through. :)) It is the effect and the meaning that counts, not the appearance.
Now that I've flamed that sentence, I can say I love the rest of your
response. :)
Take care! :)
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:29:46 EST
From: PEGLUMPKIN <PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: African magic, juju, witch doctors etc
Message-ID: <2c8831cf.350af6ceATnospamaol.com>
Dr. Lee Sannella, in THE KUNDALINI EXPERIENCE, has a chapter entitled "Cross
Cultural Aspects of the Kundalini Experience." He cites the work of
anthropologist Richard Katz and his work with the !Kung tribe of the Kalahari
who raise kundalini energy as part of their ritual ceremonies. They call the
energy !kia. Over half of the tribe members can raise the energy, thereby
entering an altered state in which healing is performed. The ability runs in
families.
At the onset of my own kundalini process last year, synchronicity led me to a
book called COSMIC TRIGGER by Robert Anton Wilson, a friend of Timothy Leary
and Dr. John Lilly, who were doing consciousness research in the 70´s. Wilson
writes about an African tribe, the Dogon, whose lore speaks of Nommo, a
visitor from the Sirius star system. The Dogon have known of the existence of
a white dwarf companion star of the Sirius at least 700 years before it was in
fact verified by astronomers in 1970. Somehow, this tribe which had hardly
evolved past the stone age, also knew the period of Sirius, which is 50 years,
and that Sirius is one of the heaviest stars in the universe. Robert K.G.
Temple, fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society, also wrote of this in his
book THE SIRIUS MYSTERY. There is another book called THE SIRIUS CONNECTION,
by Murry Hope, which explores the Babylonian and Egyptian connection to the
planet Sirius. The question is whether there was in fact a visitation in
about 4,500 BC which would explain how these cultures knew of this dwarf star
which cannot be seen by the naked eye and which could only be photographed
with equipment that was just recently developed. Wilson further asks the
question whether there is a link from Earth to a consciousness from Sirius
which is causing the rash of reports of aliens, angels, and other elusive
presences. As kundalini refines our energy bodies, is our consciousness able
to resonate with a Sirian frequency that has been here before, all along, or
in the future?
It is also a fun and interesting coincidence to me that the discoverer of the
fractal equation, Benoit Mandelbrot, said in the documentary "Colours of
Infinity" that if you took a Mandelbrot set the size of a speck and extended
the full set, it would reach from Earth to the star Sirius. The Mandelbrot
Set is nicknamed "The Fingerprint of God."
This week, I had one of the most fascinating conversations of my life. A
friend of mine in San Francisco was talking to a friend of hers in Los
Angeles. Somehow, the two of them decided it was essential that I talk to a
man who was a friend of the woman in Los Angeles. My friend called me to give
me the name of the man and his phone number. Because I consider my friend to
be intelligent and sensible, I called the man. We quickly discovered the
reason we were brought together. He has been going through experiences
parallel to mine and many of you on this list. We have been exposed to the
same information and been having the same consciousness shifts. Here´s how it
ties into Africa. He asked if the word "Dogon" meant anything to me. I told
him what I knew of the tribe based on my reading, and I told him how
coincidence had led to my learning the information. He then proceeded to tell
me that he will very shortly be serving as a "front man" for some Southern
California university professors who have been in Africa studying the Dogon
tribe. They have also studied several Native American cultures. Because the
information is controversial, the professors are disinclined to jeopardize
their careers and families, so this man volunteered to risk appearing the fool
and present the information when it is ready. He says it won´t be long (like
this year). He said the information will not only corroborate the Sirius
connection, but it will also substantiate the notion of our physical reality
being a projection of our consciousness, rather than our consciousness
developing secondarily from the physical universe. I plan on keeping in touch
with this man and will let you know when and if the information is ready to
become public.
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:41:49 EST
From: Stevetheta <StevethetaATnospamaol.com>
To: lobsterATnospamclara.net, margolisATnospamtransbay.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: FIRST TIMER HERE - READING YOUR MAIL
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As a first timer here and undergoing a Kundalini experience for the last 25
years, i found it most interesting. In 1972 I went through an abrupt
awakening with voices and visions and promises which detroyed all my
psychological training. The voices and visions made a promise that one day I
would know the riddle of the strange energies which beset me. Than one day in
meditation I burst into Light and appeared to have fused with all the energy
in the Universe at a single moment. The Universie is conscious of itself, and
the cohesive fabric of existence is this Universal and Divine Love. I went
into a talespin months later into the Dark Night of the Soul.
It has take at least fifteen years of practice to have the energy ascend up
the spine in a gradual and benign way. There are moments of such a grace,
beauty and love there is naught to do but weep.......and then one descends
into the ego world and does one's work. Go deep meditation and do your work
in the world. Go deep meditation and do your work in the world. I feel the
rest is beyond anything that I can do in my sweet mortal self.
I cried profusely at the time saying: How can I now live in the world by that
which I have seen, that which I have known and that which I have been? Hence
the motivating force of the Ego is to live in that memory, knowing it's
reality and going:
Poco a poco. Spanish
Plus lentement - Fracaise. Avec pacience.
Enjoy reading the mail
To the Divine in all of us.
Stephen - Etienne
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:54:26 -0500
From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re:Some Needed Levity
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Amckeon showed us the: Close-to-complete Ideology and Religion Shit List:
Ha Ha! Loved it! Thanks for the levity..the second time this week someone
has posted something that seems to say it all.....
Peace
Mo
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:58:12 EST
From: PEGLUMPKIN <PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com>
To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Discovering the reptile within
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In a message dated 98-03-13 20:43:11 EST, you write:
<< I'm increasing tending to believe that kundalini is not a phenomenon of our
higher cortical brain faculties but rather the more primitive ``reptilian''
portions of our brain. So I'm inclined to forget about relationships
between kundalini and genius. >>
Kurt, I would keep two things in mind. One is that the reptilian brain, or
limbic system, probably functioned as part of a group mind, not unlike an ant
colony, a bee hive, or maybe even a whale pod, wherein the consciousness does
not reside in the individual, but in the whole. Secondly, the human brain has
holographic characteristics, as does the entire human body. In other words,
each part contains the whole. That is why iridology, palmistry, reflexology,
and so forth work. Even our ear is a map to the rest of the body. The human
body/mind is a real gas. Did you read the news that scientists achieved 100%
consistent results in an experiment showing that you can reset the body's
sleep cycle by shining a light to the back of the knees? The eyes have
nothing to do with it!
As for kundalini enabling genius, maybe all it does is remove the blocks that
were preventing the genius that was already there from being expressed. Maybe
when the energy system is fine tuned, a person becomes a conduit for cosmic
creativity. I can't say for sure, because (don't tell anyone) I ain't no
genius.
Peg
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:39:16 -0700
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Twins/Flames in Mythology/Culture
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Hi List,
I'm conducting research for a book on twin flames. I'm trying to find
references to twin flames, twins, and flames in mythology and culture. I
would be interested in both ancient and more current references. Since
there are thousands of books on mythology and culture, it's difficult to
hone in on such a narrow topic.
Anyone have any ideas? A bit off topic, so please direct responses
directly to me.
Thanks,
Nancy
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 18:20:20 EST
From: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
To: onarresATnospaminreach.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: another book for the list
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Dear Ori,
Thanks for book list! I do have this on file, somewhere!
I have another one for you, but it's hard to find.
Krishnamurti's Notebook
by J. Krishnamurti
Harper & Row Publishers, San Francisco, 1976
ISBN 0-06-064795-7
Unlike the Lutyens books, this contains personal descriptions of his ecstatic
energy rushes. It's a wonderful little book.
Actually, what I was trying to find out is if there were a heirarchy of useful
books--
sort of a list of 5 or 6 considered most crucially helpful. I find it hard
to sift through a large list and make choices.
But it is more your domaine!
Thanks, Love, Hillary
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 18:23:00 -0500
From: Robert Trevithick <rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: African magic, juju, witch doctors etc
Message-ID: <350B1154.5DAEA1CATnospamredsuspenders.com>
PEGLUMPKIN wrote:
<<snip>>
The question is whether there was in fact a visitation in
> about 4,500 BC which would explain how these cultures knew of this dwarf star
> which cannot be seen by the naked eye and which could only be photographed
> with equipment that was just recently developed.
<<snip>>
I'll bet you would really enjoy the works of Zeccariah Sitchin,
collectively called "The Earth Chronicles." The first book, if I recall
correctly, is "The 12th Planet."
Sitchin makes an extremely good case for the idea that we were in fact
visited. He explains the erroneous translation of the word "Elohim",
which he says should be literally translated "Those who came descended
from above."
His overall contention is that the Bible is a poorly translated, and
highly condensed, version of ancient Sumerian texts.. and that these
texts were actually scientific documents describing the arrival of
extra-terrestrial beings who came to be thought of as "gods" because of
their advanced technology. His reading of the original documents goes
so far as to give these beings names, and he describes the genetic lab
they set up for the express purpose of creating a slave race based on
the ape like beings that were dominant at the time.
Reading his findings sheds a whole new light on where we got our
distorted ideas of wrathful gods, evolution versus creationism, etc.
It's tough going, because he's a true scholar of ancient languages.. but
he presents a core idea in the beginning of each chapter, and then
proceeds to support it. What I did was just read as much of his support
as I could stand, and then move to the next chapter. :-)
I always recommend these books to Christians, and have yet to have one
who is willing to comment on it afterwards. It stretches their belief
system too far for them to be able to deal with it.. yet I've yet to
hear anyone actually refute what he says, either. He really did his
homework.
Highly recommended reading!
Bob
--
Robert Trevithick
rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:33:40 +100
From: "frans" <fransATnospamtelebyte.nl>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: skipping chakras
Message-Id: <199803142330.AAA09960ATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl>
I have always been wondering about something like this too. And too
confess, it's driving me crazy a bit. I never feel energy rising or
the like, it just pop's up in my head day and night as a steady
'wind', coming from nowhere... just sometimes there is a 'sting' at
the first chackra (?) and i know it will be particulary strong,
thanks for bringing it up Mary, frans.
>
> I have wondered about this in non-sexual meditation. It often seems that I
> have experiences of some energy coming up the central channel and
> bursting/flashing around ajna etc, while it sort of skips some of the
> middle chakra-areas.
>
> I wonder if it might mean taht those 'skipped' chakras are already
> unimpeded, so the energy flows through them so smoothly that it is not
> felt? Or is there an alterantive route the energy might be taking, to
> actually skip them?
>
>
> Namaste,
> Mary
>
>
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:51:24 PST
From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: failure notice
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>>Actually, what I was trying to find out is if there were a heirarchy
of
>useful
>>books--
>>sort of a list of 5 or 6 considered most crucially helpful. I find
>it hard
>>to sift through a large list and make choices.
>>
>>But it is more your domaine!
>>
>>Thanks, Love, Hillary
>
It would be useful. Living in Peru It`s hard to find book of these
topics so I have to get them trough the net. But as large a list it`s
usefull to know some rewies from you fellas.
Roberto.
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:58:07 PST
From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Sorry It`s RE:BOOKS
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Sorry I posted the note and didn´t write the k adress weel so I replyed
the failure notice from the mail program. The post is regarding Books.
As far as I`m concern, there are no failures in K it`s all Life. Thanks
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:24:17 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: StevethetaATnospamaol.com, lobsterATnospamclara.net, margolisATnospamtransbay.net,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: FIRST TIMER HERE - READING YOUR MAIL
Message-ID: <4b80f7a8.350b2dc4ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-14 16:43:55 EST, StevethetaATnospamaol.com writes:
<< I cried profusely at the time saying: How can I now live in the world by
that
which I have seen, that which I have known and that which I have been? Hence
the motivating force of the Ego is to live in that memory, knowing it's
reality and going:
>>
Harsha: Delighted that you found the list.Your experiences are beautiful. Yes
it takes the mind time to gradually consolidate and integrate at all levels.
What you have seen and experienced is one aspect of the Self. However, The
Core of Reality which is You is not absent at any time. It Simply Cannot be.
You say that the Superconscious experiences are in memory due to the
motivating force of the Ego. But THAT in which the experiences took place is
with you Now and It is You. You say that you experienced the Universe as
Conscious of Itself. You must have also been there as you now experience the
Memory of it. You were There (in that Superconscious State) and You are Here
(experiencing the world through Ego as you conceive it). Seek that Continuity
that links You Here with There. It is not the memory. It is THAT in which the
memory and mind exist! Here and There are not Separate. You say you cry and
ask how can you live in the world seeing what you have seen so I am moved to
say to you. Break the veil of Here and There and See what you have seen There
in the World also. God bless you and be in joy and peace........Harsha
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