1998/03/14 12:44
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #193
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 193
Today's Topics:
Re: Words from a new friend!! [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: African magic, juju, witch docto [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: but seriously . . . [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: GG or me [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
re: Questions on Kundalini [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
Re: Discovering the reptile within [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: Questions about Kundalini [ "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net ]
Re: Discovering the reptile within [ Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
skipping chakras [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
a life of their own? [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: GG or me [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
power of words [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: a life of their own? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:41:12 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
CC: Fernando Velez-Pardo <fvpATnospambellsouth.net>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Words from a new friend!!
Message-ID: <350A50AE.3D664664ATnospamgeocities.com>
Anurag Goel wrote:
> Anurag > The question is not whether sex is a sin or not. It is right
> that " When it is through Love then sex is also healthy" .
Anandajyoti> Good to hear from you that sex is not a sin. In my vocabulary thoughI found
a simple rule to life, :"Too much anything is too bad" . Balance is what is to be
acquired and applied.
In Ch. VI -Vs 16 & 17 in the Bhagavad Gita under Yoga of Meditation it states:
"Nat yasna tastu yogo 'sti
Na cai kantam anasnatah
Na ca 'tisvapna shilasya
Jagrato nai 'va 'ca arjuna."
"This yoga is not for one who eats too much, nor for one who does not eat at all, nor for
one who sleeps too much, nor for him who keeps awake too much."
"Yuktahara aviharasya
Yuktacestasta karmashu
Yukta svapna ava bodhasya
Yoga bhavati duhkhana "
"For one who is temperate in food, recreation and in action as well, temperate further in
sleeping and waking, destroys all sorrow".
These two verses are comparable to the middle path expounded by Tathagata buddha in a
later age. Aristotle also, states, "Virtue lies in the golden mean"
Anurag> But what even if in that sex energy flows downwards i.e. through
ejaculation( i am assuming that after sex if energy flow downwards it will be lost in
ejaculation). By becoming perfect in certain yogic exercises one can have sex and at the
same time divert the energy upwards simultaneously rather than downwards than one will
lose nothing.
Anandajyoti> The life force in the form protein coming out in ejaculation if thrown away
is wasted no doubt, but when it enters the female, it is absorbed by the membranes of the
female, as life force itself.
Yes, through yogic exercises a male can achieve that control, which happens when one gets
to consciously control the stimulus from the brain to reach the organ for it to
ejaculate. A similar state can also be achieved for short sometimes elongated durations,
through the practice of breathing techniques, which women while in labor use to give
birth to a child. They have the name of Kareeza in the modern vocabulary.
> Anurag > I said distorted because I think that some of the feelings that
> one experience get associated with the sexual feelings mostly in
> early years of life.
Anandajyoti> There is a joke: Women menstruate once a month, men have it all the
time.Sexual feelings are not heinous by themselves, but how they are applied in our
relationships. Sex , sometimes is used for punishment or reward, if disappointment is
rampant. If indulgence is present through self pity, sex could be used for compensation
If emotions cause compulsive sexual activity, trouble follows. The grosser emotions need
to be refined to true feelings, sex needs to be transformed to an expression of love
and an ability that needs to be honed to surrender to each other in the relationship Even
in young persons, this needs to be pondered upon, otherwise , it is known all over the
world, what havoc it can create.
> Anurag>So now the act that earlier generated some
> other feelings will now trigger sexual feelings i.e. the mind has
> diverted towards sexual feelings more.
Anandajyoti> Sexual emotions when refined to true feelings of love and bonding, not to
control , not to dominate (which are triggered by the ego), but to share and grow in
love, only strengthens the refinement process.
> > Anandajyoti>
> In humans,whenever we have LOVE
> (not the desire for sexual act), during those times the Kundalini also
> rises to the level of the heart chakra and then after a duration it
> > travels back down to the base. Anurag>
> Here you are saying that Kundalini rises to Anahat(Heart) Chakra
> and after sometime it returns to base than in going to Anahat
> Chakra it will have to croos other Chakras in between than why
> don't experience other Chakras on the way to Anahat Chakra.
> Anandajyoti> When humans make love the Kundalini goes up to the heart chakra and at
> the end of the act, it flows back to the base chakra. , and it does cross through the
> sacral and the solar plexus, but the power of lovemaking is so powerful, if done
> through LOVE, one becomes unaware when the Kundalini passes through the sacral and
> solar plexus chakras.
> Anurag > The importance of Experience can die in this material world and
> according to you then individual will be same as he was before
> Kundalini awakening.
Anandajyoti> Where are all our experiences stored for recall? Is it not the memory of
each experience we have in our lifetime, and recalled whether in the conscious or
subconscious states of the mind? The person is transformed through the memories of the
experiences For example , if a child who has not been told about fire or its hazards,
puts its hands in a flame, then it would get burned, won't it? After having that
experience , will the child even try to put its hands in the flame again? Why, because ,
its memory will be recalled automatically and it won't do that, for it has experienced
that fire burns and it is painful. The child before experiencing the burn for the first
time, has gained knowledge, and is thereby transformed through the experience to avoid
the painful situation. In this perspective the child before the experience and after are
different. Even the blood we have in veins are replenished every month, our skin cells
die and rejuvenate every twenty eight days. So, even physically, we are not the same,
although we look the same,what we are now and in a month's time., are different. So also
, through our experiences, we change, after each experience. Even this will happen with
the Kundalini experiences. Finally the individual would not be the same from before the
experience-transformation takes place unless obstructed by the personality and the ego.
> Anurag> So then what's use is to raising Kundalini..
Anandajyoti> To know thyself better than you knew before.
> Anurag>You haven't said anything about sustaining.Can you kindly explain
> sustaining clearly.
> Anandajyoti> How about using the word maintain or hold rather than sustain, will that
> help you to understand easily?
>
> Anurag> Once they have lost interest in material life then how can they
> decide themselves. Moreover when one's Sahasrar has been awakenend
> one will in such a bliss that one will not leave that stage.
> Anandajyoti> Staying in bliss all lifetime, would not keep the body alive to
> experience it. That is why when Paramahamsa Ramakrishna was in that state for three
> days, his Guru Totapuri, was there with him to spoon feed water mixed with sugar to
> Ramakrishna , so that Ramakrsihna's body would still be alive and the brain alive.Due
> to the intensity and force of Ramakrishna's three day experience , Totapuri had to
> bring him back to normal consciousness, for Ramakrishna had a lot of work to do, for
> humanity. If Ramkrishna stayed in that state of superconsciousness for longer, as was
> determined by Totapuri at the time, Ramakrishna would have left the body. After that
> Ramakrsihna has been at that state for shorter durations all his life, to bring the
> experience first hand , again and again.and to enjoy that blissful state of
> superconsciousness.
> Its the memory of the experience of having the kundalini at the sahasrara , when
> recalled at will ,generates the blisfull state again again, So a person has to take
> make the Kundalini flow to the sahasrara again, whenever they wish to experience it
> again. Does this make sense to you?
> Anurag> Guru is someone who is placed higher then GOD because HE is the
> one who united you with the GOD until then one was a fool. He is
> the one who took care of you when you lived or you didn't whether
> his presence is felt to you or not.
>
> GURUR BRAHMA GURUR VISHNU GURUR DEVO MAHESHWARA |
> GURUH SAKSHAT PARBRAHMA TASMYEE SHRI GURUVAYEE NAMAH ||
Anandajyoti> What or who is the PARA BRAHMAN?"Akhanda Mandala Karan , Vapteyang Jena
Chara Charam, Tad Padam Darshitang Jena
Tassamvai Guruve Namah."
One who is indivisible, One who is omnipresent, at HIS feet which I see ,do I make
obeisance.
So how can the Guru be placed higher than GOD.?
> Anurag> He is who tells you don't live for self because
>
> THOSE ALONE LIVE WHO LIVE FOR OTHERS
> REST ALIVE ARE MORE THAN DEAD
>
> I picked this quote from a tailor's shop.
Anandajyoti> The world of today is individualistic, first ,everything else in life is
of second importance. There are quite a number though who would follow what you saw in
the quote, at the tailoring shop. Words are cheap , as I say, Being and Becoming what you
profess through realization , is another matter.
> Anurag > I suppose there is nothing like benefit or advantage. Till these
> words are there one thinks of self. When he/she has seen he/she
> and universe are the one then whose benefit and advantage will he
> take.
Anandajyoti> Quite true but these words, could only have real significance, when one
lives by that axiom, in day to day life, under all circumstances, pain and pleasure and
bliss alike.There was a naked yogi lying on the snow capped road to Badrinath, a shrine
to Vishnu
in the Himalayas. One pilgrim, rebuked him saying " why don't you at least cover your
genitals with a loin cloth" The yogi replied " KAON PAHNE, AUR KAON PAHNAYE" meaning
"who will wear the loin cloth and who will put it on"
Blessings and Love,
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
>
>
>
> Love,
> anurag
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:55:55 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
CC: Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserve.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: African magic, juju, witch doctors etc
Message-ID: <350A5424.C5DB1078ATnospamgeocities.com>
Anandajyoti>
If we ask questions with questions then its purpose is being overlooked.
Tom, simply asked if anyone could shed more information on thes ubject. If I were
you, either I would not respond or acknowledge the question, and simply express my
inability to answer, or answer it if I am capable to answer. I think that approach
would be appropriate, at least , in my understanding
Best wishes,
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com.Athens/Forum/6782
Anurag Goel wrote:
> Hi,
> Can I know why you need such info? I didn't understand
>
> " correspondences between Indo-European and African spirituality
> and the esoteric or occult"
>
> Love,
> anurag
>
>
> On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserve.com wrote:
>
> Can anyone shed light on the subject?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:11:14 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: lobsterATnospamclara.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: but seriously . . .
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In a message dated 98-03-13 15:31:33 EST, lobsterATnospamclara.net writes:
<< Hi Goel,
but seriously now (I take it you are being serious and not foolish) why not
laugh at yourself and your foolishness? Because you are not a fool? That in
itself is vanity and foolishness. As for people on the path of 'kundalini
awakening' being incapable of laughing at their own or others foolishness -
you
are of course right.
- Only joking! >>
Harsha writes: Ed, I just read over all your delightful posts. You are
remarkable in your humor and the depth of your spiritual perception. I am sure
I would embrace you as a brother if I saw you!
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:24:20 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in, janbarenATnospaminfase.es
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: GG or me
Message-ID: <c214266f.350a8506ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-14 00:22:10 EST, anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in
writes:
<< Hi Jan,
What you have said is an awakening thought because having little
bit of experiences of K doesn't mean your full kundalini is
awakened.
love,
anurag >>
Harsha writes: Jan's post was very insightful and informative. The fault lies
in your lack of understanding and your poor attitude.
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:40:12 -0600 (CST)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: Questions on Kundalini
Message-Id: <199803141640.KAA29762ATnospamdfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com>
I hope others more expert on yogic traditions will post, too, because I
am, like you, still learning about what happened to me. I also noticed
that I went into a detached state when the spasms, shaking, yogic
positions and "cosmic information" started happening. I felt like I
had become a computer with skin that was being downloaded into, and at
other times like I was being made love to by God. Part of me watched
all this with great interest, having sort of a matter-of-fact
conversation with God all the while! Later, when the blissful episodes
started, it occurred to me that perhaps I was being protected those
first amazing days so my system wouldn't blow a fuse. Kundalini is
intelligent and will teach you what you need. It felt right to me not
to meditate for several months -- I needed to swim, dance, walk, cry
and take lots of baths to ground the energy. Best to you, Holly
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:32:08 -0800
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Discovering the reptile within
Message-ID: <350B0568.6EB2ATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
> Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
> The post regarding African shamanism and kundalini sparked me to pose a
> comment I've been musing about.
> I'm increasing tending to believe that kundalini is not a phenomenon of > higher cortical brain faculties but rather the more primitive ``reptilian''
> portions of our brain. So I'm inclined to forget about relationships
> between kundalini and genius. I guess if I had any remaining prejudices
> that kundalini was linked to genius they went out with the discussions that
> Gene Kieffer evoked late last year. But it does seem that kundalini can
> have significant effects on our motor and emotional systems. Comments?
> Kurt
Hi Kurt,
I hope I'm in touch with what you're saying, but when the third eye
opens and hard informational possibilities avail themselves, is that
higher cortical function? Or am I missing your point?
The descent of kundalini brings music, Guru's, entirely composed
writings. It seems to me higher cortical functions operate there and
that genius may be associated with the gifts of that descent as well. Is
that kundalini or something totally off the mark?
I suppose if you used a mechanical or electronic probe to stimulate both
lower and higher brain areas, you'd induce kundalini effects in either
case. Do you think so? What are the collateral kundalini effects of
various neurological manipulations?
Best,
Jerry
"Independent Nondualism: Where Kundalini Awareness Was 25 Years Ago"
Visit "Nondualism of Umba Da Standing Free" now or wait until 2023.
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:13:22 -0500
From: "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
To: "Dan Margolis" <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
Subject: Re: Questions about Kundalini
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I went into a series of seizures and
>convulsions. I was conscious the entire time this was
>happening and observed this occuring. I only stopped when I
>fell off my meditation cushion. I got up had a drink of
>water and noticed I was incredibly twitch. I would
>spontaneously start shaking in different parts of my body.
this sounds like what is known as "kriyas", this is part of the process of purification
needed so that your system can handle a higher level of current/energy/consciousness....they are generally not thought to be dangerous, and it may be possible to control their manifestation (as in public) by directly making a request to the awakened Shakti that they not manifest in public, however
when you are meditating in private you should just let them happen
>I've stopped meditating at the Zendo because
>seizures are not a part of Zen meditation. I've also cut
>down my meditation a lot because I was a little worried
>about this.
By conversing directly with the Shakti you may be able to channel the kriyas into
appropriate times, you may want to experiment with this
>My questions:
>
> Are there health effects that I should be aware of?
I have heard that symptoms of illnesses you have had in the past may briefly (?)manifest as the purification process goes ahead and the residual traces are cleaned out. It is important to surrender to the process, as to attempt to suppress it
could result in blockages which may then manifest as health problems. Overall, in
the long run, it is a purification process, so it may benefit your health if all goes well.
>> Should I continue meditating at a Zen center where the
>teachings are not concerned with this type
> of energy movement?
See if you can keep the kriyas from manifesting while meditating at the zendo, and
discuss with your teacher what is going on. See if your teacher is open towards
this process, and has understanding of it. The kriyas may only manifest for a period
of time, then change or stop once you have gone through this phase.
> Should I try to find a yoga teacher that focuses on this
>sort of energy, eventhough I'm a
> Buddhist?
Buddhism is fine with this process. You may want to look into Tibetan Buddhism, as they may have incorporated the Kundalini process to a greater extent. I believe
that it is referred to as tummo in some systems. Check with Kurt Keutzer (who is on
this list), as he has a very helpful FAQ that discusses this, among other things. I am
not that knowledgable on this......and Kurt, among others on this list, have much more experience and knowledge in these areas.
There is nothing wrong with having more than one teacher, so it may be helpful for
you to find one who is experienced with Kundalini. This is not to say you should give up your present practice. The awakening of the Kundalini should help whatever practice you have. It doesn't hurt to take a look around and know what is
out there though.
Rick
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:27:18 -0500
From: Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Discovering the reptile within
Message-ID: <350ACC05.7B9BB0A0ATnospamconcentric.net>
Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> I'm increasing tending to believe that kundalini is not a phenomenon of our
> higher cortical brain faculties but rather the more primitive ``reptilian''
> portions of our brain. So I'm inclined to forget about relationships
> between kundalini and genius. I guess if I had any remaining prejudices
> that kundalini was linked to genius they went out with the discussions that
> Gene Kieffer evoked late last year. But it does seem that kundalini can
> have significant effects on our motor and emotional systems. Comments?
> Kurt
Hello Kurt,
I would say Kundalini awakes all the potentialities of the brain, reptilian as
well as the higher cortical. As for example in my spine, which is definitely
reptilian in origin. I'm finding out i'm starting to have conscious control
over the muscles around the nerves, at a psychosomatic level that is necessary
for controlling heart beats. What is there after reptilian portion of the
brain? Taping in the overall consciousness of vermin, or cells?
So i would say, to make it short, K is more in the process of creating a link
from the primitive "reptilian" of our brain (and even deeper) to the higher
cortical (and even higher, species consciousness and so on). All this
accessible from one walking consciousness.
Antoine
--
"A new world is born in every moment. The question is, are we present to this
magnificent birth?" Marcus S. Robinson
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:15:03 -0800
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: skipping chakras
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At 01:41 AM 3/14/98 -0800, anandajyoti wrote:
>
>
>Anurag Goel wrote:
>
>> Here you are saying that Kundalini rises to Anahat(Heart) Chakra
>> and after sometime it returns to base than in going to Anahat
>> Chakra it will have to croos other Chakras in between than why
>> don't experience other Chakras on the way to Anahat Chakra.
>
>> Anandajyoti> When humans make love the Kundalini goes up to the heart
chakra and at
>> the end of the act, it flows back to the base chakra. , and it does
cross through the
>> sacral and the solar plexus, but the power of lovemaking is so
powerful, if done
>> through LOVE, one becomes unaware when the Kundalini passes through the
sacral and
>> solar plexus chakras.
I have wondered about this in non-sexual meditation. It often seems that I
have experiences of some energy coming up the central channel and
bursting/flashing around ajna etc, while it sort of skips some of the
middle chakra-areas.
I wonder if it might mean taht those 'skipped' chakras are already
unimpeded, so the energy flows through them so smoothly that it is not
felt? Or is there an alterantive route the energy might be taking, to
actually skip them?
Namaste,
Mary
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:15:01 -0800
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: a life of their own?
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At 11:14 PM 3/13/98 -0800, anandajyoti wrote:
>
>
>> On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Jan Barendrecht wrote: As a rule, the ascent of K.
>> is accompanied by a lot of secondary effects, phenomena like visions,
sounds,
>> associations you never did see before, creativity,
>
>Anandajyoti> Yes , it is true that a lot of secondary effects occur which
are K
>related.
And for some of us, those 'secondary' effects may be what we need most.
Creativity to find a new livelihood, get out of bad relationships, etc.
>> Jan>the idea that only you can solve all of the world´s problems etc.
>
>Anandajyoti> I strongly feel that the above idea as you state, happens
with all
>of us,when the ego , our conditionings, our attitudes, our inclinations,
which
>acts as filters to our understanding of what we perceive.
Depending on the filter, it can also reinforce the idea that only ones own
particular church or therapy method or whatever can solve all teh world's
problems. :-)
Kind of like the stories of someone who drinks from a 'love spring', and
immediatly falls in love with whatever he happens to be looking at at the
moment. (This is how centaurs got started in Xanth. :-)
>> Jan> K. will manifest
>> > most vividly in the area of your (hidden) talents.
Sounds like a pretty appropriate place. :-) Both for bringing oneself into
balance, and for correcting any life-situation problems that might have
come from not using those talents in the past.
>Anandajyoti> This is very reasonable , that whatever energy we may possess or
>acquiremay be manifested in flowering our hitherto known talents also, and
they
>can also be used in fantasies of unlimited dimesions.
> That is why , a preparatory period is essential for all of us
/snip/
>For each category, there exist right applications and mis- applications,
don't
>they?
Aren't there two extremes of mis-application? Either to let something
new-to-us take on a life of its own that's unreasonable, fanatical ... or
to try to force the K energy/effects etc into a pre-existing conventional
mold, and/or harness them for a conventional purpose.
Many writers (I have the impression that part of Jan's quote sounded like
this), seem to assume that the real purpose of K is to get everyone to some
pre-defined 'enlightment' etc. That it's just a means to an end, a
destination, already known.
Kind of like some Bible Belt people who assume 'seeing the light' is just a
means to bring everyone into orthodox 'repentance' etc.
BB
Mary
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:14:58 -0800
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: GG or me
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Everyone fumbles occasionally. Overall GG seems like a wonderful person
and an asset to the list.
At 07:06 PM 3/11/98 -0700, John Living wrote:
>Gloria Greco is using up tremendous band width,
So am I, on other forums. I've considered making a section in my web site
to post my excess, so I could just put short pointers to it on the forums.
Any comments? Do most people on lists like this have web access?
Or maybe starting a side-list or something for the excess. With just the
first paragraph or something going to the regular forums. This would be
pretty easy to do with Eudora Pro.
>So I have 2 choices - to unsubscribe myself, or for her to be removed from
>the list.
A third choice is to get the list in the form of individual posts, and then
killfile any senders you don't like. Eudora Pro does this easily, so does
Forte Agent. Can be done at the shell with tin etc too.
Could killfile anything cross-posted, too.
BB
Mary
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:15:00 -0800
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: power of words
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At 11:14 PM 3/13/98 -0800, anandajyoti wrote:
>
> Why do we have to use verbiage which rather expresses
> judgemental attitude? Because words have power, in the East its also
> known Sabda Brahman. It behoves us to use our words appropriately,
I'd like to vote in favor of old-fashioned courtesy and consideration and
tact, overall.
And against the idea "If X's words hurt Y, it's Y's fault."
And especially against the idea "If my words hurt you, good, I did it on
purpose for your own good, and if that bothers you, it's your fault." Or
something like that. :-)
BB
Mary
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:36:54 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: a life of their own?
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Hi Mary! :)
At 11:15 1998.03.14 -0800, you wrote:
>Many writers (I have the impression that part of Jan's quote sounded like
>this), seem to assume that the real purpose of K is to get everyone to some
>pre-defined 'enlightment' etc. That it's just a means to an end, a
>destination, already known.
>
>Kind of like some Bible Belt people who assume 'seeing the light' is just a
>means to bring everyone into orthodox 'repentance' etc.
That is an excellent point. :) I was wondering about that for some time...
I think enlightenment is also a side effect of K-awakening (I already hear
"blasphemy!" in the background;)))). By enlightenment I mean recognizing
Self as the Sole Reality, sat-cit-ananda. I think the purpose of it all is
far more significant than that. It is not getting out - like, this place is
hell, let's ascend into white light & stuff, or, in other terms, this is
maya, we should know Self as One and Undivided and call it a day. It is not
what I feel is happening here. I think Kundalini is an instrument of the
Divine Descension. God's manifestation on earth. To the fullest possible
scale. Living liberation. No difference between samsara and nirvana. I
think Kundalini transforms as into Divine vehicles - avatars, if you
like... All beings are potential avatars, and we are in the middle of a
process of our own birth. And there is so much diversity in it! Look at all
of us! We are all so different, and yet... one can sense the same infinite
Reality manifesting in all of us - each one of us manifests it partially,
and the whole is also here - something between a puzzle and a hologram.
Different parts, different roles, and yet the Whole is in each of us. We
are it, all the time, and yet we need to cooperate, to join, work together,
love each other to re-create it. I don't know, the picture ain't that clear
to me yet, but that's what it looks like so far, to me at least. :) Take
care sweetheart. :)
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