1998/03/12 15:33
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #188
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 188
Today's Topics: Re: Energetics [ John Living ]
Re: In the center of it all....... [ anandajyoti ] re: GG or me [ "Jan Barendrecht" ]
Re: Light within [ Druout ] Re: George Harrison [ "Gloria Lee" ]
Re: confused by the lobster [ E Jason ] Re: confused by the lobster [ "Sharon Webb" ]
Re: Energetics/reply [ "Gloria Lee" ] Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Harsha1MTM ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Stephen Gornik ] AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Stephen Gornik ]
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:56:54 -0700 From: John Living
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Energetics
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At 09:22 AM 3/12/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi, >
>Thanks guys for the stories & stuff. >
>i dunno *whats awake* or what isnt. but something is. When i put my mind >too it and put aside ego habits, lots of good things happen.
> Hi
Perhaps it does not matter so much WHAT we do, but WHY we do it; there is an
old saying : 'The road to Hell is paved with Good intentions' and while it may seem like hell, our souls will be pleased that we acted with good intent.
I would like to hope that one day my K will be fully awakened, because
perhaps I will have more power to do good. But I have been told (by you know who) that it is more important to become enlightened, and that I will be
given ALL the power AND HELP that I NEED to accomplish my life's missions.
And this help has already materialized when needed - causing things to happen way accross the oceans - in answer to one of my pleas for help (re
Dowsing for Landmines).
So if all try to work for good and to help others, and the intent is to acheive good - not to boost our egos - we should be content that we are on
the correct path.
John
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:01:02 -0800 From: anandajyoti
To: John Halonen CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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John Halonen wrote:
> In the center of all of us exists a means of communication.
> Hopefully these communications come from the heart. > Good or bad? no. only something to build on once we stick our foot in our
> mouth. > How does it taste, with the awful smell I really can't taste it. :)
> I could never preach or lead. Mostly I stay silent. > Too much time needed to experience life's simple pleasures.
> > Like the smile of children,
> The smell of my wife in an embrace. > The fresh breeze as it speaks to me.
> The way I feel after some of your posts. > The thought of being locked up and spanked! LOL
> > It all exists in me! I know this and accept it.
> > I have a new way to meditate. Not sitting,
> but giving all of these simple pleasures > my fullest attention. being in THE CENTER of each one.
> > It is a beautiful way to live.
> Thank you for listening. >
> Blessings, > John Halonen
Wonderful ideas to experience and live with , John.
Anandajyoti http://www.geocities.com/Athens.Forum/6782
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:31:53 -0500 From: Antoine
To: Anurag Goel CC: Druout , dorf01ATnospammail.win.org, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Anurag Goel wrote:
> Hi Hillary,
> You see pain then remove pain. Think what you should do to > remove that pain.
> Love, > anurag
Pain is often a lower form of consciousness, a seed to an ecstatic form of
consciousness. I prefer transmuting pain than removing it, when the ego associated to that pain is ready to grow, like a flower is ready to blossom from the dirt.
IMHO, Anurag, simply removing pain is creating a wall in the long run between shadow and light. And removing that wall can be way more painful than the culmination of
all the little pains we simply putted in a dark closet.
Antoine --
"A new world is born in every moment. The question is, are we present to this magnificent birth?" Marcus S. Robinson
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:39:48 From: "Jan Barendrecht" (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent )
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: re: GG or me
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As a rule, the ascent of K. is accompanied by a lot of secondary effects,
phenomena like visions, sounds, associations you never did see before, creativity, the idea that only you can solve all of the world´s problems
etc. If these phenomena are allowed to lead "a life of their own", it could mean the start of serious problems for the one involved. K. will manifest
most vividly in the area of your (hidden) talents. Shree Purohit Swami, in the "Aphorisms of Yoga" , is very right, commenting the stage of
Sampradnyata Samadhi: " [] I met a yogi who was a great musician, another who was a great singer, both meditated on the inner music, listened to it
day and night, but failed to control that pleasure and lead a normal life. One forgot that he had a body, forgot all that he should have remembered,
somebody had to say ‘time to take food´; ‘time to go to the privy´ []". The only true purpose of K. is Self-realization and nothing else. Unless you
have experienced K. as such a raging fire that you are on the verge of "all systems overload" until the final phase of enlightenment, you will never
notice how long it takes, before the negative aspects of the lower chakras are fully transformed. As long as you experience aversions, dislikes etc.,
be sure you haven´t completely transformed them. If, under the influence of the Force we all cherish, someone behaves in a way that creates aversion in
you, you should actually be grateful. It should be met as an opportunity to reflect on the nature of "like & dislike". As long as you experience this
like/dislike, be sure you are in no position to "help out" the person you think is doing something wrong, because, essentially, both of you are on
the same level. When "the goal of life is Self-realization" is a phrase that applies to you, every event in life, no matter how "good/bad/trivial"
the experience, will always be meaningful, providing you with the lesson(s) you need to proceed. The right sequence in dealing with " events & others"
is: reason out things first, then apply compassion (and act accordingly). As long as you are subjected to the law of Karma, you are either the doer
or the victim. By posing your deeds, you (can) impose the role of victim on others. Nevertheless, there are always two options. When you are the doer,
you can opt for Self-realization. When you (think you) are the victim it is the "easiest way out", or apply (logical) reasoning first and compassion
later. The choice is always yours.
I hope you take the best one.
Jan
--- Between black and white there are many shades of grey. Yet, all shades contain both extremes ---
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I was moved to share the following, which is from a little book called "Metaphysical Meditations" by Paramahansa Yogananda
On Criticism and Understanding
I will not waste my time in talking about the faults of others. If I find myself inclined to enjoy criticizing others I will first talk loudly against myself before others.
I will criticize no one unless asked by him to do so, and then with only desire to help.
I will try to please everyone by kind, considerate actions, ever striving to remove any misunderstanding knowingly or unknowingly caused by me.
I will always hold aloft an unfading torchlight of continuos kindness to guide the hearts of those who misunderstand me.
I wipe away my tears of sorrow, finding it does not matter to Thee whether I play a big or small part, so long as I play it well.
I will seek God first; then all my desires will be satisfied. Whether I live in a palace or a in a hut will make no difference.
I will use my honestly acquired money to live simply, doing away with luxury.
I make up my mind that nobody can excite me by insulting words or deeds, and that nobody can influence me by praise to think I am greater than I am.
I will care nothing for cruel, false criticism nor for garlands of praise. My sole desire is to do Thy will, to please Thee, my Heavenly Father.
I will speak the truth, but I will at all times avoid speaking unpleasant or harmful truths. I will offer no criticism that is not motivated by kindness.
I will spread the sunshine of my goodwill wherever the darkness of misunderstanding lies.
Paramahansa Yogananda
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From: PEGLUMPKIN To: linnymATnospamnidlink.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: kundalini chaos?
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In a message dated 98-03-10 17:00:50 EST, you write:
< For awhile there, I thought this was an evolved group of souls. Gossip and judgement are not productive on ANY path. >>
Dear Dave,
I had to chuckle at this when I read it, because when I first joined the list,
I was totally confused and disheartened by some screaming egos coming through the postings. But I stayed with the list because it was my only contact with
people who knew what I was going through. Amongst the tons of coal, you will occasionally pick up a diamond, and that makes it worth the effort. And it
will become an avenue for you to help others, thereby learning and healing yourself.
Kundalini is a process, an incomplete process. So, if we are going through
the process toward eventual enlightenment, we are then by definition unenlightened. When we do become enlightened, as we all shall at some point
in eternity, then I don't imagine we'll be posting on this list. But in the meantime, you will not find another group who is working harder toward
spirituality, individually and as a group.
Peg Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:23:05 EST
From: Druout To: mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Dear list,
Thanks to those who responded to my question about the "uses" of K.
You gave me some wonderful new perspectives. I'll try to direct energies
accordingly! Thanks!
Love, Hillary Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:12:50 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" To: linnymATnospamnidlink.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, oreaATnospamerols.com
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> >He was always my favorite Beatle, from Day One. I was about 8 when
they >arrived (those exciting Ed Sullivan days), but even then I sensed there
was >something...deeper...about him.
> >Blessings,
> >Orea
> Oh, BLESS YOU, Orea..nothing against the "cute one"...but glad to know
I was not the only one who liked George best..remember that song "really want to see you Lord.." ?? (I refused to take my little sister
and her friend to see the Beatles ..and thus deprived myself of my main chance to see them in concert...My Mom went,and became quite a fan, tho.
This became one of the few main regrets of my life..LOL..) Beatles did a lot to get us interested in Eastern ways and ideas, back
in the late 60's. To me, it was just ALL THERE in George's eyes. Sigh. LOve ya for bringing this back to mind, Orea.
Glo LEE
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 18:28:22 GMT From: E Jason
To: "Sharon Webb" , kundalini Subject: Re: confused by the lobster
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on 12 Mar 98, Sharon Webb wrote...
>My confusion stems from that last sentence above. It sounds suspiciously >like you are attempting to assist people to transform themselves from the
>superficial into the genuine spiritual article. Isn't this a form of >helping? which according to your definition is a very subtle form of
>egotism. But maybe you don't consider this helping. And if you don't, if >people are not benefited by this action on your part, just what is it that
>you believe you are doing here?
There is no need for confusion. I am an egotist. My motivations are ego based. I
recognise this but being imperfect I must use what I have. The question is how much is ego and how much is spirit? I strive to tip the balance toward the
spirit and urge others to do likewise. Is it possible to bypass the motivation sufficiently to allow others to find
their own progress. Yes. Gloria constantly emphasises the need for emotional detachment. That in itself is a major achievement. We also have to be aware of
more subtle motivations. So the means, emphasis and expression is very much dependent on the ego.
Your reasons for asking these questions are tied up with motivations that have little to do with your supposed confusion. There is animosity and a need to show
that I am inconsistent. I am inconsistent. I am also frequently wrong. I can not help this. I make no apology for it. I am just sorry at my own limitations. So I
can forgive myself for being imperfect and strive to do better. Can you? I am sure the answer is yes.
To answer your question - what do I believe I am doing here. The answer is very simple; some people can not let go of the past. They can not deal with the idea
that spirituality involves more than lights in the head and challenging nothing and no one in case it causes them to question both themselves and others.
So I am here to share, to listen to what others understand and offer and to develop and examine my own perspective. Through this process hopefully all of us
gain - if we can and if we wish.
Most Kind Regards Confusing Lobster
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:36:21 -0500 From: "Sharon Webb"
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Lobster,
You wrote:
>>Your reasons for asking these questions are tied up with motivations that have
little to do with your supposed confusion. There is animosity and a need to show
that I am inconsistent. I am inconsistent. I am also frequently wrong. I can not
help this. I make no apology for it. I am just sorry at my own limitations. So I
can forgive myself for being imperfect and strive to do better. Can you? I am
sure the answer is yes.>>
Right and wrong, L. You _were_ inconsistent. But there was no animosity in my email. That, I'm afraid, was a projection on your part. :-)
I will quote you again:
>>There is a high price to pay for working in this way. You do it knowing that people [Lobsters?] will send you 'negative thoughts' - however they
quite often need to see that negativity
Love, Sharon
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-----Original Message----- From: E Jason
To: Sharon Webb ; kundalini Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: confused by the lobster
>on 12 Mar 98, Sharon Webb wrote...
> >>My confusion stems from that last sentence above. It sounds suspiciously
>>like you are attempting to assist people to transform themselves from the >>superficial into the genuine spiritual article. Isn't this a form of
>>helping? which according to your definition is a very subtle form of >>egotism. But maybe you don't consider this helping. And if you don't,
if >>people are not benefited by this action on your part, just what is it that
>>you believe you are doing here? >
> >There is no need for confusion. I am an egotist. My motivations are ego
based. I >recognise this but being imperfect I must use what I have. The question is
how >much is ego and how much is spirit? I strive to tip the balance toward the
>spirit and urge others to do likewise. >Is it possible to bypass the motivation sufficiently to allow others to
find >their own progress. Yes. Gloria constantly emphasises the need for
emotional >detachment. That in itself is a major achievement. We also have to be aware
of >more subtle motivations.
>So the means, emphasis and expression is very much dependent on the ego. >Your reasons for asking these questions are tied up with motivations that
have >little to do with your supposed confusion. There is animosity and a need to
show >that I am inconsistent. I am inconsistent. I am also frequently wrong. I
can not >help this. I make no apology for it. I am just sorry at my own limitations.
So I >can forgive myself for being imperfect and strive to do better. Can you? I
am >sure the answer is yes.
>To answer your question - what do I believe I am doing here. The answer is very
>simple; some people can not let go of the past. They can not deal with the idea
>that spirituality involves more than lights in the head and challenging nothing
>and no one in case it causes them to question both themselves and others. >So I am here to share, to listen to what others understand and offer and to
>develop and examine my own perspective. Through this process hopefully all of us
>gain - if we can and if we wish. >
>Most Kind Regards >Confusing Lobster
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:40:37 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
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>i dunno *whats awake* or what isnt. but something is. When i put my mind
>too it and put aside ego habits, lots of good things happen. >
>i know folks on this list are sensitive to energies across email messages,
>i know i am!
Glo LEE replies: Yes, me too..and I really like yours and your poems..for whatever
reason, your posts left my spirits and just plain FEEL GOOD..
>
>But the habit of 'selfcreation' is hard to break. We've had as my guru >says, lots of time and lifetimes to perfect suffering. No problem doing
>this. The problem is learning new things. Glo: like you say above, this sheds some light in a very understandable
way on the process of learning.. leaves the door to interpretation open and gives me room to reflect..thanks
> >and i always do wonder what anyone who can see it sees in the
energetics >of my emails :) (ego ego ego....!)
Glo: Oh, why call it anything...??? maybe one disguise really IS as good
as any other???- but part of enjoying mine is still to be able to enjoy yours..and have some preferences... do I see sparkly lights??
>Maitri,
> >--janpa
> >
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:50:10 EST From: Harsha1MTM
To: jlagoATnospammx2.redestb.es, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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In a message dated 98-03-12 09:06:15 EST, jlagoATnospammx2.redestb.es writes:
< five years ago I can feel like a very special energy (like a milion of ants
in mi boby) ascent to my back heart. That follow was a incredible experience because I started to sparate from my boby. It was unsoportable for mi and the
panic came to my. I get to stopped but my heart look likes to exploting itself.
>>
Harsha writes: These are Kundalini awakening symptoms. What is your mode of spiritual practice? You may wish to find a supportive spiritual community
involved in Shakti Yoga, where there are advanced students. You can get relevant information and resources through this list.
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:31:01 -1000 (HST) From: Stephen Gornik
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Had an abrupt Kundalini awakening in 1973 withouth any warningl. Am a psychologist schooled in Western traditions. There were voices, visions and promises. Kept a journal. The journal indicates a struggle between Ego and Self. The inner voice and drawing promised that one day the riddle of these energies would be known. There was an image of a deep red heart, shimmering with diamonds of electrons at speeds, in a vortex, unimaginable to the human eye. Then one day after numberous experiences, I meditated and felt like I expoloded into light and was fused with all the energy in the Universe at a single moment. The Trush was revealed: The Universe is Conscious of itself, and the fabric that holds it all together is this Divine Love which permeates all existence.
What a trip. After that was a typical of Dark Night of the Soul, and then a r essurection. My doctoral dissertation was a slide show of art and imagery that tells the story of this Transformation: Images of Transformation: The Soul's Journey into Light. It was presented at various conferences, monasteries , etc.
Current is dedication to the Yoga process which gets you there.
Om Shanti Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:31:42 -1000 (HST)
From: Stephen Gornik To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Had an abrupt Kundalini awakening in 1973 withouth any warningl. Am a psychologist schooled in Western traditions. There were voices, visions and promises. Kept a journal. The journal indicates a struggle between Ego and Self. The inner voice and drawing promised that one day the riddle of these energies would be known. There was an image of a deep red heart, shimmering with diamonds of electrons at speeds, in a vortex, unimaginable to the human eye. Then one day after numberous experiences, I meditated and felt like I expoloded into light and was fused with all the energy in the Universe at a single moment. The Trush was revealed: The Universe is Conscious of itself, and the fabric that holds it all together is this Divine Love which permeates all existence.
What a trip. After that was a typical of Dark Night of the Soul, and then a r essurection. My doctoral dissertation was a slide show of art and imagery that tells the story of this Transformation: Images of Transformation: The Soul's Journey into Light. It was presented at various conferences, monasteries , etc.
Current is dedication to the Yoga process which gets you there.
Om Shanti
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