1998/03/12 09:58
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #187
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 187
Today's Topics:
Re: Choosing Life with Gloria. [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: Choosing Life [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: Choosing Life [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: Light within [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Energetics [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Words from a new friend!! [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Gifts of descent [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
test [ pam roberson <pamie59ATnospamyahoo.com> ]
Janpa and the K=Enlightenment questi [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Fwd: Re: Choosing Life with Angeliqu [ pam roberson <pamie59ATnospamyahoo.com> ]
Re: Gifts of descent [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
In the center of it all....... [ John Halonen <halonenATnospamflash.net> ]
Re: In the center of it all....... [ "Dave Hourigan" <linnymATnospamnidlink.com ]
confused by the lobster [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 10:46:02 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Choosing Life with Gloria.
Message-Id: <970312104602.n0000656.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 12 Mar 98, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote...
> Yes, I love you, too.. so why don't we see what spirit really is up to?
> What I am noticing, is, Lobster didn't think I hurt him, and I didn't
>think so, and it seems nobody else on the list thought so, except you.
> You you you..
Quite right. Objectivity and by passing the emotions is only possible when one
does not have subtle motivations that one is unaware of. For instance we may
assume that certain forms of behaviour and certain people are not spiritual. I
wonder if God/Godess thinks that?
> This whole thing has brought up a few questions for me.. Lobster asked if
>you were repressing an aspect of yourself that was like me.. well, I think
>many folks on the list, see that one pretty clearly.. But, you said you
>couldn't imagine what that could be.. Well.. let me see if I can help.
>Sorry to pull up more laundry... but I understand you are seeking to grow
>by speaking of the past..
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Spirit motivation (posession I call it) can be demonic or Angelic. It can also
be an excuse. "It aint me its the K" - or the Virgin Mary or an Alien with a
large left foot, or a spineless Lobster. However we are responsible for our
actions and the pain we cause. In fact as Angelique has said I have caused her
distress (not the other way around). I say what I say now and what I said then -
It was right.
Right because the anger and frustration is not caused by me but in reaction to
that said. I choose my words carefully, sometimes knowing that growth will be
born of pain and not loving and nurturing (which are also required for seedlings
and the vulnerable). Now it is very easy to cause people pain or to maliciously
bring up uncomfortable reactions. This is immature and if anything is evil -
that is. However the piont is this. If you have audacity to call yourself a
seeker, or a Godess, or a Spiritual Teacher or a Yogi or a Magician then do not
be too surprised if you are provided with a more challenging encounter than
little ol' Lobster.
Again responsibility is the key. If like Prometheus you bring fire from the Gods
don't be too surprised if they exact a price. So if you bring fire it may cause
destruction or be used for warmth, cooking and making useful implements.
Now Angelique is bringing up certain aspects of Glorias persona. I believe her
assesment is (unusual) but fair. It is expressed in a way that is uncomfortable
for some. It is however completely relevant.
<Angeliques assesment snipped)
The physical problems I have are curable. The scars and wounds of Catholicism,
repression and life difficulties and all the many things that effect the
mind/body complex are not insurmountable. They are the reason we are here, they
are our learning and our unfolding . . .
Patience is developed by trying it.
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 01:07:50 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Choosing Life
Message-Id: <970312010750.n0000616.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 11 Mar 98, fredaATnospamblarg.net wrote...
>soooo many discusions between Rich and myself, I'll bet bet I never
>thought to thank the two of you for such rich topics! [thank you]
Right and wrong is not the issue. Direction is. Intent is. Capacity and desire
to accept and to grow - so you are more than welcome.
>> You mean you are a human Being? How can this be?
>> Curioser and curioser . . .
>>
>that just happens to be ONE of the things I HAVE been working through
>in the short time I've been here with this group - acceptance - that of
>BEING a human Being, and allowing the same to others.
>A new understanding, that we are all BECOMING (new to me anyway).
When Richard Attenborough was making the film "Ghandi" it was suggested that the
part of "Ghandi should be a special effect - a beam of light. His reply was that
he was not making a film about "Tinkerbell".
Now.
If you are not a human being but some elevated highness what are we going to do
with you? Laugh!
I may have told the story of how I went to a meeting of Mother Uma and burst out
laughing before receiving shaktiput (spiritual power or transmission) Her
serious devotees were outraged at this disrespect, the Lady herself of course
was neither offended nor harmed in any way. After all one of her hobbies is
leper licking (it's meant to cure them).
>some say that THEY return to guide others.....I suppose that could
>be...but that smacks of martyr-dom, as opposed to the ledgendary
>king-dom, personally, I'd feel really ripped off by this slant on
>enlightenment..
I would agree. I have met people of the highest reputation who have no genuine
spiritual understanding. I have met others of no consequence who are responsible
for the welfare of others but will never allow or expect any reward.
>I, myselF, have a sneakin' hunch that if THEY are comming back, it IS a
>greater possibility that THIS IS the ultimate
>playground........[manipulating the physical AND the spiritual] and the
>enlightened are in full knowingness of both aspects.
>Some amoung us are FURTHER ALONG at IT than others.
>and I think there have been/are some who are in compleate BEING. We meet
>them as our need/desire arises.
To be honest enlightenment is not as important as wisdom and personal integrity.
It is possible for a partially realised person to totally serve their own
interests. It is the intensity of seeking enlightenment that sometimes makes us
forget that other qualities - humour, genorosity, kindness - basic human
qualities are far more inspirational than some aloof and remote master who can
talk twaddle and yet is in some way off putting. Real masters are as you say "a
Christ in the marketplace".
Ed
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 00:24:11 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Choosing Life
Message-Id: <970312002411.n0000614.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 11 Mar 98, Anurag Goel wrote...
>Hi,
> Can anyone tell me who Lobster is? and what's going on concerning
> him.
Nobody can tell you who you are, so who on earth can possibly know what that
pesky Lobster is up to . . .
> One thing more one should not use strong or bad words against
> anyone especially one who is indulged in Kundalini awakening
> (both sides sayer as well as listener) They acn harm both.
Strong words indeed. And badly choosen too.
So?
You obviously are to sensitive for your own good. I bet you do not laugh to
often? Perhaps you know a good joke?
The harmful Lobster
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 10:48:50 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: acarreATnospamconcentric.net
Cc: dorf01ATnospammail.win.org, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Light within
Message-Id: <970312104850.n0000657.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 11 Mar 98, acarreATnospamconcentric.net wrote...
>Hello Hillary,
>
>When you step in a crowded room, place, do people start to fell calmer, more
>relax, yet more vitalize, with you not having to focus on anything or anyone?
>
>What more do we really need to do?
>
>Love
>Antoine
Learn to enter larger rooms . . .
Lobster
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:22:18 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Energetics
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Hi,
Thanks guys for the stories & stuff.
i dunno *whats awake* or what isnt. but something is. When i put my mind
too it and put aside ego habits, lots of good things happen.
i know folks on this list are sensitive to energies across email messages,
i know i am!
i'm not sure if we ever really answered the Q of: Does K==Enlightenment?
The Dzogchen teachings seem to indicate that its not necessaraily
connected. Well, the little bit i've heard of it. K doesnt for example,
help my spelling. Unless there's a spell-check siddha i dont know about
;).
Life takes a certain 'turn' i think with this. Not necessairly making one
"One with God" i'm not a theist, this sentence makes no sense to me. But i
can understand connection with our living planet and universe, for
certain.
Once i had a clear insight into 'Me' and realized, my life is not my own.
Its a life, and there is really no "owner" to claim it for itself. It
belongs to everyone. Delusion comes into thinking that there really is
someone home upstairs. All by themselves upstairs. If there is any self at
all, its in this connectivity, not isolation.
But the habit of 'selfcreation' is hard to break. We've had as my guru
says, lots of time and lifetimes to perfect suffering. No problem doing
this. The problem is learning new things.
So is it K first enlightenment second? K second? k on the way? Like babies
may reach puberty at age 13, but we would not call them adults certainly.
and i always do wonder what anyone who can see it sees in the energetics
of my emails :) (ego ego ego....!)
Maitri,
--janpa
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:22:56 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
CC: Fernando Velez-Pardo <fvpATnospambellsouth.net>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Words from a new friend!!
Message-ID: <3507FDC6.8F98145FATnospamgeocities.com>
Anurag Goel wrote:
> Anurag> Sex is what tends to divert this energy(life force) downwards and
> you loose your life force. Sex is present in every life form but
> not Kundalini.
Anandajyoti>It is not sex, I would rather consider it is the sexual expectations
which consume more of the life force than the sexual act itself. When it is
through Love then sex is also healthy, and is not sin. If it is out of the lustful
desire then it is harmful for the individualand others. I would not confuse sex
with lust. Sex is the act and lust is the motive power behind ,as is LOVE.
> Anurag>
> What you are saying above is just the process during sexual
> response which some of it occurs through distorted mentality.
> I suppose there is nothing like kundalini in above lines.
Anandajyoti> There is nothing distorted here, you may have a different perspective,
and that is your choice. Nothing wrong or right here.
> Anurag> Upward movement of kundalini can never be sexual. In
> process of Kundalini awakening when you reach SAVADISHTAN
> CHAKRA. Here is where you will ezxperience extreme sexual
> desire. Here is where you have to control yourself from not
> responding to these desires by controlling these desires
> and not involving oneself in sexual practices.
Anandajyoti>Yes , I agree to a point. When Kundalini energizes the Swadhistana
Chakra , one is sexually aroused, and the upward movement of the Kundalini occurs
naturally.. If it happens only to one in the relationship, yes one needs to
transmute the desire, and to use that energy or act through in other creative
ways, which is the transmutation process. When conditions of consensuality are
present and if both partners choose to join through LOVE, then , I don't consider
the sexual act which then is through mutually agreed and chosen responses has
anything to do with control the desire, neither is it a sin.
The choices of the individuals involved it of prime importance. On the same
criteria, if one of the partners be unwilling then it should never be forced upon,
for one individual's
gratification. Gratification without LOVE , without respect for the other partner
is heinous, and LOVE at all, in my opinion.
> Anurag>Otherwise your
> Kundalini will not rise and you will reach to your earlier
> stage i.e. which that was before raising your kundalini.
> That's why it is said that one practise BHARAMCHARYA
> when one is involved in raising KUNDALINI.
Anandajyoti> Brahmacharya or absolute abstinence does work very well, for monks or
for those who have chosen that path of absolute celobacy . Others can also choose
to abstain whenever they wish to do so. There is nothing wrong there either. As O
said in earlier post, that Kundalini rises normally in all who have vertebrae from
the base to the solar plexus and it also comes down to base chakra . In humans,
whenever we have LOVE (not the desire for sexual act), during those times the
Kundalini also rises to the level of the heart chakra and then after a duration it
travels back down to the base. When involved in artistic activites or singing , the
Kundalini rises to the throat Chakra and after a duration it flows back again to
the base chakra, and so on and so forth even including the Crown Chakra, during
MEDITATION on the third eye or the Crown Chakra. If one is able to hold and
sustain the Kundalini at the Sahasrara or the crown, for a continuos period of
twenty one days , then the soul can leave the body for good, through Nirvikalpa
Samadhi. It all depends what the individual wants through the movements of the
Kundalini.
> Anurag> I suppose that the awakening of kundalini means you have
> successfully penettrated and awakened all of your major seven
> Chakras.and it only makes its movements at the Base, Sacral and the
> Solar Plexus in our day to day lives, all the time.
Anandajyoti> Awakening to me is simple waking up to that awareness by my
consciousness. Even if the awareness be not present, yet the Kundalini will awaken
to do the functions mainly centered around the base, sacral and solar plexus
chakras, in our day to day lives all the time. I have explained this on my web
page, in my article on Kundalini.
> Anurag> I suppose when one has given up his/her ego. one's conscince will
> guide one what is Good and What is bad.You will be the Judge and
> not others.
> Anandajyoti> Yes, very true. I would rather say that our ego is the veil between
> the outer and inner of each of us. The ego also gives wrong signals, when we are
> not connected to OURSELVES (THE SELF). The ego does work all the time to protect
> our personality aspect and is is when we lose the coonection with our SELF, it
> creates pseudo -reality.
> Anurag> True but motives can also be Good and Bad.
> Anandajyoti> This is true. as to how our motives behind are guided, through our
> ego or from our SELF.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Anurag> Once your full kundalini is awakened you will yourself
> work in positive way. Feel the pain of others and help them
> out.
Anandajyoti> True. Here comes the individual's choice and desire , as to what to do
with the awakening.
> Anurag> Once your ANAHAT ( HEART) CHAKRA is awakened you will be
> automatically inclined towards that. I will tell a story here.....
Anandajyoti> I would say, that when the Kundalini raises itself to the level of the
Heart, and we respond to it without our ego coming in between, automatically, one
would become compassionate and touched. Everyone experiences it when in such
situations and being open to empathy.
> Anurag> It's Love with whose help you raise your Kundalini. You can
> say kundalini is neutral in a sense that " It's the basic
> nature of the individual that will guide them how to use
> it".
Anandajyoti> In my opinion, it is LOVE which sustains the effects of the aroused
Kundalini and helps us to transform ourselves to be better individuals than we are,
and function from that realization.
> Anurag>Here i will say onething that once your full Kundalini is
> awakenened that means your Sahasrar has awakened fully.
Anandajyoti> I could not agree with you here., as awakening and sustaining
Kundalini at any level of consciousness and awareness are two different phenomena.
Even after Kundalini has been to the crown Chakra it will come back again to the
Base Chakra, in the natural course. The difference is , the experience which is
obtained when Kundalini is at the Crown Chakra, remains for the life time of the
individual in the memory. How we act in our lives through the learning of that
superb experience, is the matter of our consideration, choice , and living in our
day to day lives from that center of realization.
> Anurag > Then one looses all the interest in material life. It
> is only by the grace of GURU that he redirects your
> Kundalini to a specific CHAKRA compatible to your basic
> CHAKRA. Only then one can live among society with one's
> kundalini awakened and work for the welfare of society
> in the work specific to that Chakra.
> Anandajyoti> One may loose interest in material life for a duration, or for a
> lifetime, and then they also can decide for themselves how they wish to use that
> experience in their lives, according to their choice. Who is the Guru? The guru
> in person is simply a flagperson, showing us the way, it depends on the
> individuals own aspiration and effort
> The winds of grace of the Universe is always there, one must unfulr the sails to
> get its benefit and advantage. So again, choice, aspiration ,effort are required
> by the individual, for what needs to be done, whether for society or oneself.
> The idea behind is self transformation, behavior modification, and ultimately
> SELF-REALIZATION.
According to Advaita philosophy, You are SELF REALIZED all the time, take the
obstructions of the ego and personality away, and the SELF shines in its own
LIGHT."KNOW thyself and to your own SELF be true- sayeth the LORD." Blessings
and Love,
> Anandajyoti
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
>
>
> Regards,
> anurag
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:54:14 -0800
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Gifts of descent
Message-ID: <35083D66.767AATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
List members,
How's it going?
What I want to say is, the descent of kundalini is a bringer of gifts.
Symphonies, Angelic choruses, sacred or occult information, and The
Guru. It is Grace. You can entice Kundalini up the spine ala Gopi
Krishna. But the descent...that's the pitcher of Grace poured over your
bones. Will and intention. Do they entice the tipping of that pitcher?
With love,
Jerry
"There is only one occurrence: I AM; and only one knowledge: Standing
Free." http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:42:45 -0800 (PST)
From: pam roberson <pamie59ATnospamyahoo.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: test
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Having trouble posting, this is just a test.
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:47:59 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Janpa and the K=Enlightenment question
Message-ID: <350803AE.2922F667ATnospambryant.edu>
Debora A. Orf wrote:
> i'm not sure if we ever really answered the Q of: Does K==Enlightenment?
> The Dzogchen teachings seem to indicate that its not necessaraily
> connected. Well, the little bit i've heard of it. K doesnt for example,
> help my spelling. Unless there's a spell-check siddha i dont know about
> ;).
Snip.........Harsha writes: You are so completely innocent and funny Janpa.
There was an enthusiastic and a lengthy discussion on this some months ago.
Probably it is in the archives.
> Janpa writes: So is it K first enlightenment second? K second? k on the way?
> Like babies
> may reach puberty at age 13, but we would not call them adults certainly.
Harsha: But do not even the fast food chains say in their
commercials.......Have it your way! Have it any way you please!
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:54:10 -0800 (PST)
From: pam roberson <pamie59ATnospamyahoo.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: Choosing Life with Angelique- Serious Humor
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Ok, having trouble posting today, lets see if this one gets through.
> > > on 10 Mar 98, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com wrote...
> > >
> > > >I think it is important for all people on the list to agree
> whatever is
> > > >said...not to take it personally, no matter what. Gloria
> > >
> Ed wrote:> > I personally, disagree, and I don't think that is
> important either.
> > >
> > > Lobster
> >
> Gloria wrote:> What do you disagree with? I am not emphasizing the
> agree...but not to
> > take whatever happens personally...GG
> >
> Ok, I didn't want to get into this, and I certainly don't want to
> answer this for Ed, but the above is a clear example of what I've seen
> over the past few days. What I've seen is Gloria dance around an issue
> and deny the usage of her own words. So, I'm confused about how this
> can be so with someone who is supposed to be a writer and has had
> published works.
>
> The above comment from Gloria clearly states that she feels agreement
> among all is important. When Ed disagrees with her statement, she
> responds by denying that she stressed any importance or emphasis about
> all people agreeing. Instead she feels that what she was stressing is
> that people not take things so personally. Well, if that's what you
> intended Gloria, then why not just state that fact? I would say that
> the word "important" does indeed emphasize a statement. So why say it
> if you didn't mean it?
>
> But I feel the issue that I'm trying to point out is that it appears
> that you are dancing around with your words instead of taking
> responsibility for what you say. Why not just take responsibility for
> what you say, look at it from a detached perspective, and admit when
> you have made a mistake? I don't understand. I'm not trying to bash
> you, I simply don't understand.
>
> What started all this was your question to Ed about Mystress. I really
> don't understand why you would pose such a question, which acted much
> like poking a bee hive with a big ole stick. Mystress responded to
> that so very well. And when you were confronted about posing this
> question, you did everything but admit that it was possibly tasteless,
> destructive, or whatever. It looks like denial from where I sit. It
> doesn't appear that you are able to detach and look at the issue for
> what it is. For example, when Freda initially posted about this, you
> chose to react by turning this whole thing around on her...telling her
> that this was her problem because she was upset by your words. Well,
> your words came thru loud and clear, and it really is your problem for
> either not being able to control an urge to stir up old wounds or an
> inability to state yourself with clarity. If you really feel that what
> you're posting is being misinterpreted or misunderstood, then this is
> amazing to me since you are supposed to be a writer. I dunno, maybe
> you have a really good editor.
>
> Thanks to all for bearing with yet one more post about this issue.
>
> Many Blessings
> Pam
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>
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:55:22 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Gifts of descent
Message-ID: <3508056A.F5EE7186ATnospambryant.edu>
Jerry Katz wrote:
> "There is only one occurrence: I AM; and only one knowledge: Standing
> Free."
Harsha writes: "There is NO occurrence: I AM; No other Knowledge: Sitting
Pretty!" quoted from "The Non-Truths of Harsha"
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:20:08 -0500
From: John Halonen <halonenATnospamflash.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: In the center of it all.......
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In the center of all of us exists a means of communication.
Hopefully these communications come from the heart.
Good or bad? no. only something to build on once we stick our foot in our
mouth.
How does it taste, with the awful smell I really can't taste it. :)
I could never preach or lead. Mostly I stay silent.
Too much time needed to experience life's simple pleasures.
Like the smile of children,
The smell of my wife in an embrace.
The fresh breeze as it speaks to me.
The way I feel after some of your posts.
The thought of being locked up and spanked! LOL
It all exists in me! I know this and accept it.
I have a new way to meditate. Not sitting,
but giving all of these simple pleasures
my fullest attention. being in THE CENTER of each one.
It is a beautiful way to live.
Thank you for listening.
Blessings,
John Halonen
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:21:13 -0800
From: "Dave Hourigan" <linnymATnospamnidlink.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, "John Halonen" <halonenATnospamflash.net>
Subject: Re: In the center of it all.......
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>In the center of all of us exists a means of communication.
>Hopefully these communications come from the heart.
>Good or bad? no. only something to build on once we stick our foot in our
>mouth.
>How does it taste, with the awful smell I really can't taste it. :)
>I could never preach or lead. Mostly I stay silent.
>Too much time needed to experience life's simple pleasures.
>
>Like the smile of children,
>The smell of my wife in an embrace.
>The fresh breeze as it speaks to me.
>The way I feel after some of your posts.
>The thought of being locked up and spanked! LOL
>
>It all exists in me! I know this and accept it.
>
>I have a new way to meditate. Not sitting,
>but giving all of these simple pleasures
>my fullest attention. being in THE CENTER of each one.
>
>It is a beautiful way to live.
>Thank you for listening.
>
>Blessings,
>John Halonen
Nice message to wake up to, John!
Dave
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:53:33 -0500
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: confused by the lobster
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Lobster,
Perhaps you can clear up some confusion on my part.
you wrote:
>>We must also lose needs to impress or help (a very subtle form of egotism)
others.>>
you also wrote:
>>Some of you have been at the cutting edge of my (what to you seems like)
anger
or an attempt to belittle or some other emotional manipulation. However if
reacting from this stand point I would in fact be motivated by my own base
qualities, not the true and best interests of others. There is a high price
to
pay for working in this way. You do it knowing that people will send you
'negative thoughts' - however they quite often need to see that negativity
in
order to have the opportunity to transform themselves from superficially
spiritual to genuinely spiritual people.>>
My confusion stems from that last sentence above. It sounds suspiciously
like you are attempting to assist people to transform themselves from the
superficial into the genuine spiritual article. Isn't this a form of
helping? which according to your definition is a very subtle form of
egotism. But maybe you don't consider this helping. And if you don't, if
people are not benefited by this action on your part, just what is it that
you believe you are doing here?
Love,
Sharon
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