1998/03/12 07:32
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #186
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 186
Today's Topics: Re: Choosing Life with Gloria. [ Mystress Angelique Serpent ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Juan Charco ] Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:48:34
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Cc: E Jason , fredaATnospamblarg.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Choosing Life with Gloria.
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At 11:56 11/03/98 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
>Gloria here: >I hope you two don't mind me jumping into this.
Well, I wrote this post much earlier, but couldn't get online.. then read the other mail.. considered just dumping it... but I'm sorry folks, it is
too much fun to delete.. in I jump. :) Enjoy...
>I think we can have a >nice conversation with all three present.
Why not all three hundred and seventy??
Plus the 40 -1 on HZ who are getting the G's digest version.. bet they won't get this post.... LOL!!!
I have read thru the bizillion unsnipped (!!! 8^0 )posts on this
subject, and I am simply not going to respond to them all.. there is too much. Yer dancing as fast as you can, Gloria...BUT.. None of them seem to
answer a simple question that is asked in many different ways.. Why?
> I didn't mean to get a huge >ball rolling but there has to be a reason for it and I think we call all
>roll with it for a while.
Well, it seems some members are tired of it already, so while you may wanna milk it forever, this'll be my last post on the topic.
> Like I said earlier, I feel love for both of
>you and because of this we can go with the flow and see what spirit...
Yes, I love you, too.. so why don't we see what spirit really is up to? What I am noticing, is, Lobster didn't think I hurt him, and I didn't
think so, and it seems nobody else on the list thought so, except you. You you you..
Yer stuff that spirit impulsed you to move forward. So, ya wanna look at it? See what spirit is doing?
Seems you wanted to dig up some old laundry.. why izzat? Where did you have unfinished business?? Stuck energy? Feeling incomplete?
This whole thing has brought up a few questions for me.. Lobster asked if
you were repressing an aspect of yourself that was like me.. well, I think many folks on the list, see that one pretty clearly.. But, you said you
couldn't imagine what that could be.. Well.. let me see if I can help. Sorry to pull up more laundry... but I understand you are seeking to grow
by speaking of the past..
Way back when you and I were wrestling after I had a fit because you said that we all had to pray for the witches and illuminati and satanists to
become christians.... you accused me of taking the form of a black cat to spy on you, and also of sending demonic prescences that you said left marks
on your body. Sorry if I don't remember exactly.. I think you said my "demons" had
attacked you several times, with witnesses.. I do have the posts on archive, somewhere in my computer.. I can repost them if you would like me
to refresh your memory. I am really glad to hear you don't believe in demons anymore, and you
understand someone cannot hurt you over email unless there is negative energy caught in your own discernment.. so to me it seems pretty obvious
that the supernatural events you described, were coming from repressed aspects of yourself, that you attributed to me.
See? There they are!! Black cats and maschochistic psychosomatic bruises, that you took some
pride in showing off about... Hmmm..
Not that you ever said so to me.. as far as I know, you still think me capable of such activities. I don't recall your ever retracting those
accusations, either.. so perhaps that might be a good place to start to look for the repression?? :)
What is spirit up to?
I remember, around that time, someone posted to me privately a warning to watch out for you.. it seems their K. had given them a vision of your
shadow side.. a great black brimstone snorting smokin' steamin' sweatin' fat bealzebub, big as a tree, and scary enough to make a stone gargoyle
cringe.. filled with all the righteousness and repressed rage of the holy spanish inquisition itself. I figured it couldn't hurt me, so I went and
took a look.. sho 'nuff.. a great beast. I got out o there, pretty quick, first time.. but not before noticing the scars it bore, from your attempts
to excorcise it from yourself. It didn't look very happy.. It had learned the wisdom of staying out of sight from you.. that is why
you cannot find it easily.. can't blame it for that.. But I couldn't help, feeling sorry for the poor thing.. poor beastie, so
unloved and lonely.. after all, there is only One of Us, and great warty horned beasties deserve love, too.... so after many months went by, I
decided to drop in and make friends with it.. and sent a few spirits to keep it company and play games with it and stuff. Let it know that it is
loved.. Today I looked in on it.. it seems quite sprightly and active, it has
lost a lot of weight (and height) playing tag and dimensional hide and seek with the other spirits..
I told it I was going to "out it" to you, and asked it's name so I could introduce you properly. It (he) said in it's gutteral demonic's hissing
voice, it's name was "Pussssy" (never heard a term for a cat sound so obscene in my life) but that you could call it "FUCK".
So, I would suggest that you call out for it loud and long until it shows up, and you can give it the love it needs, let it come inside of you and be
reintegrated. Hope this helps.. with love...
Blessings, Mystress.
>> >> >>Gloria Greco wrote:
>> >>> > > > Have you supressed emotions, or did this happen in the things that
>> >>> > > > happened with Mystress over the net? Gloria
Lobster wrote: >> We must also lose needs to impress or help (a very subtle form of egotism)
>> others. >> Our presence and growth is sufficient to alter the nature of our
existence and >> ripple through . . .
>> but of course I can not resist by finishing . . . >>
>> Hail Satan >> Christ is King
>> >> Lobster-ed
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:26:41 +0530 (IST) From: Anurag Goel
To: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: healing energy]
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Hi jack,
I agree with you. Regards,
anurag
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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes
> > Hi jack,
> I didn't get you.Can you be more explicit? > Regards,
> anurag >
> Hi celester, > Homosexuality is an ailment otherwise there would have
> been no need for females. it's an ailment may be psychic. > Regards,
> anurag >
> I wonder how the lesbians of the world feel about the need for we > menfolk? You may want to check for residual negative energy, my
> friend. >
> Jack >
> Homosexuality is adherent to both sexes not just the male. You > statement fails to recognize that fact.
> > Jack
> >
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:46:29 +0530 (IST) From: Anurag Goel
To: Dave Hourigan cc: Anurag Goel ,
Bill Murhpy , kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Hi, The autobiography "Autobiography of a Yogi" is really great though I
haven't read it full.
Regards, anurag
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= shish utare bhoomi dhare vah pathe ghar mahi = = =
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From: Anurag Goel To: anandajyoti
cc: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" , "heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" ,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Choosing Life
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Hi anandajyoti,
Nice thought and this is what will help individuals towards kundalini awakening if they think this way.
Regards, anurag
============== = Name : Anurag Goel =
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= = = kabira yeh ghar prem ka khala ka ghar nahi =
= shish utare bhoomi dhare vah pathe ghar mahi = = =
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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, anandajyoti wrote:
> Dear List Members > For the past one week or so, I think, I saw the see-saw of messages back
> and forth centered around a few individuals. > Let me share my experience, a great lesson I have learned, that when I
> face opposing views, if I react immediately, without reflection, I found > that most reactions do originate from my ego. The ego does its best to
> protect our personalities. When I connect with this aspect of my > psyche, I either choose or inadvertently without consideration, react
> vehemently to support my contention. > The truth is if I step back and as it is oft times said, sleep on it, I
> can really pinpoint where the reactive expression are coming from. Then > I go in to my cave and ponder over it and if I do choose to connect with
> my heart, and see the responses coming at me, then I can really see the > truth behind those , too.
> In short, when we receive opposing viewpoints than our own, and in many > instances, comes as a personal attack, our animal instincts just sparks
> out in defiance.. But on the human and spiritual level , if looked > into, from these angles, I can also say that whatever is coming at me or
> affecting me, is a sign for me to look into deeply and find out the > truth for myself.
> Many a time, I have received views and comments which may not have been > conducive/supportive to my personality, but that itself in no way
> allows me to undermine the other views. Rather it had all given me the > opportunity to give sincere thought to the other viewpoints and in most
> cases I found, that such viewpoints were purely a reflection of certain > aspects of myself which I needed to go through at a deeper level and
> make amends for the better. > In my heart, and many a time person to person, I open myself in
> thanking them to have given the opportunity to improve my myself from > what I was. That I consider truly to be
> help from the Almighty also. >
> With Love and blessings of the Infinite to ALL, >
> Anandajyoti > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
> >
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:46:11 +0100 (MET)
From: japserATnospamwin.tue.nl To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com (k)
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Gloria Greco said: >
> John Living wrote: >
> Thank you for your in put. G
No, Gloria! I want to know how you _feel_ about this reaction from John. Or are you so `detached' that it doesn't reach you?
Becasue frankly, I'm really getting tired and angry of your posts. I even have
stopped reading them which i actually do not want to. I haven't written much to the K-list (almost nothing at all :)) ), but you made me delurk :)) :(
Then I read Johns post (love you John!) and then again your reply....
Please answer my question?
> > Gloria > >
> > Your sermons seem to always consist of how correct you are - implying that > > the rest of us are wrong, being lesser mortals.
> > > > Quite frankly, this sort of sermon has been shownto be one of the best ways
> > to drive the congregation away. > >
> > I am sure that we al want to continue to hear from you - when you have > > something constructive to say.
> > > > Judging by your recent outpourings, this would indicate that you should not
> > post more than one message each month. > >
> > I trust that this will enable you - and all of us - to have more restful > > experiences of Kundakini.
> > > > John
> > --
:),
Jasper Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:17:53 +0100 (MET)
From: japserATnospamwin.tue.nl To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com (k), lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
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Hi Gloria,
I'm sorry, that I was rude to you. I want to make _contact_ with you (and everybody else on this list), but your post
did always make me cry when i opened up to them and I didn't know why and maybe that's why i was getting angry.
Thanks Angelique, after reading your post, now I know (but I already had sent the rude mail ;( )
Please share Gloria if you want to.
(Do love you :) )
:),
Jasper Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:07:11 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel To: anandajyoti
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Hi Anadajyoti,
> Anurag Goel wrote: It's not the sexual energy but the life force that is moved
upwards rather then downwards i.e. ejaculation.
Anandajyoti> I would consider, that the sexual energy within us is also
an aspect of life force.
Looked at from the physiological point of view, the kundalini when aroused, could be used in ways other than sexual..
Anurag> Sex is what tends to divert this energy(life force) downwards and
you loose your life force. Sex is present in every life form but not Kundalini.
Anandjyoti>
It has also been proven nowadays, that physiological changes do occur in the sexual sense, even when the mind is
not bent upon it. The physiological responses automatically occur, also sexually ,due to erotic stimuli, whether visual, audio, touch, smell, ands
smell. These physiological responses, when acted upon by the individual's mind through the desires gives it the expression , which we choose to give to it.
Anurag>
What you are saying above is just the process during sexual response which some of it occurs through distorted mentality.
I suppose there is nothing like kundalini in above lines.
Anandjyoti> The upward movement of the Kundalini manifests in many ways, not only sexual.
Anurag> Upward movement of kundalini can never be sexual. In
process of Kundalini awakening when you reach SAVADISHTAN CHAKRA. Here is where you will ezxperience extreme sexual
desire. Here is where you have to control yourself from not responding to these desires by controlling these desires
and not involving oneself in sexual practices. Otherwise your Kundalini will not rise and you will reach to your earlier
stage i.e. which that was before raising your kundalini. That's why it is said that one practise BHARAMCHARYA
when one is involved in raising KUNDALINI.
Anandjyoti> It also affects us psychologically, it alters our awareness
and consciousness at various levels of our psyche. Anurag> Surely it does otherwise then what would be the use of
kundalini.
Anandjyoti> The ejaculation part although a physical
expression as you say the downward movement, can also be expressed through our emotions and and mental faculties, I believe.
Anurag> Yes you are right.
Anurag> Once kundalini is awakened i suppose one can never do
bad things. because Kundalini is awakened only after you have got rid of all sins.
Anandajyoti>
I would beg to differ on the above. Its not the awakening of the Kunadalini, but regular experience of its movements, and how we choose to
use that energy when unleashed, Normally the Kundalini is awakened in all
Anurag> I suppose that the awakening of kundalini means you have successfully penettrated and awakened all of your major seven
Chakras. , and
it only makes its movements at the Base, Sacral and the Solar Plexus in our day to day lives, all the time.
Anurag> Even the MULADHAR CHAKRA is not awakened in a person. Because if
it is fully awakened then one will get rid of all the diseases he/she is suffering from. So, if your Muladhar chakra is awakened
one is not suffering from any disease. Anandjyoti>
It is only when we are able to transform our lives in such a way that we make it go to the higher chakras, the Heart, the
Throat, the Spiritual eye and the Crown., and which elevates our consciousness.
Anurag> True.
Anandajyoti> How we use the energy , is the crux of the matter.
Anandajyoti>
So I could
not agree that anyone who has Kundalini awakened cannot do anything bad. And again , bad and good are relative terms in society.
Anurag> I suppose when one has given up his/her ego. one's conscince will
guide one what is Good and What is bad.You will be the Judge and not others.
Anandajyoti>
In my opinion it is the motive behind our expressions which matters the most.
Anurag> True but motives can also be Good and Bad.
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Anurag> Once your full kundalini is awakened you will yourself work in positive way. Feel the pain of others and help them
out.
Anandajyoti> The above as you say can only be done if, you are so inclined.
Anurag> Once your ANAHAT ( HEART) CHAKRA is awakened you will be
automatically inclined towards that. I will tell a story here Once Ramakrishna Paramhansa was standing on shore. He saw that
on a boat one person was beating another person with a stick. Alhough it was the person on the boat who was being beaten
yet the marks appeared on the back of RAMAKRISHNA PARAMHANSA. VIVEKANANDA has said that only when you can feel others sorrow
to such an extent that you can't sleep due to oter's sorrow only then you can think that you are succeeding on the path of
ADHYATAMA(spiritualism).
Anandajyoti> Kundalini is neutral. It is the power within each of us and
it also depends on how we as individuals choose to use it , I think, that makes all the difference.
Anurag> It's Love with whose help you raise your Kundalini. You can
say kundalini is neutral in a sense that " It's the basic nature of the individual that will guide them how to use
it".
Here i will say onething that once your full Kundalini is awakenened that means your Sahasrar has awakened fully.
Then one looses all the interest in material life. It is only by the grace of GURU that he redirects your
Kundalini to a specific CHAKRA compatible to your basic CHAKRA. Only then one can live among society with one's
kundalini awakened and work for the welfare of society in the work specific to that Chakra.
Blessings and Love,
Anandajyoti http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Regards, anurag
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:12:36 +0530 (IST) From: Anurag Goel
To: Druout cc: dorf01ATnospammail.win.org, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Hi Hillary, You see pain then remove pain. Think what you should do to
remove that pain. Love,
anurag
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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Druout wrote:
> Dear Debora,
> > I've been asking myself this question too--
> > How can I make use of this energy/bliss that is so astounding. I feel selfish
> in experienclng so much pleasure when there is so much pain out there. Is > Healing and Teaching the only uses usually associated with K??
> > Any ideas out there??
> > Or should I mind my own K?
> > Love, Hillary
> >
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:47:50 -0800 From: "Dave Hourigan"
To: Subject: Getting Better All The Time
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To the entire group:
The messages are starting to get towards the 50/50 range with the correct topic....kundalini. I observed a few of you about ready to unsubscribe, but the momentum changed "just in the nick of time".
If the chaotic energy of the one that was "dropping posts on us from an airplane", (I believe someone described it that way), would just use just 1/10th of that energy to express gratitude towards the Creator, not only would that person benefit tremendously, but perhaps the entire planet as well! I have never before seen such an outburst of energy that couldn't contain itself until it apparently exhausted the individual it was "pushing" through. It reminded me of one on "Speed" or some other type of amphetamine, that finally "crashed" or came down.
There are some very gifted people that have wonderful messages to share with the new as well as some of the more "seasoned" members of this group.
If we all made an attempt to open our hearts and minds and start "receiving" as much as we "give" to this group, perhaps a much "deeper" bonding would occur.
Dave
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:36:07 -0400 From: "Orea de Sa' Hana"
To: Dave Hourigan , kl List Subject: Re: George Harrison
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He was always my favorite Beatle, from Day One. I was about 8 when they arrived (those exciting Ed Sullivan days), but even then I sensed there was
something...deeper...about him.
Blessings,
Orea Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:05:47 -1000 (HST)
From: Juan Charco To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Hello,
I´m Spanish and is very difficult for my get the best expression for this kind of experience.
five years ago I can feel like a very special energy (like a milion of ants in mi boby) ascent to my back heart. That follow was a incredible experience because I started to sparate from my boby. It was unsoportable for mi and the panic came to my. I get to stopped but my heart look likes to exploting itself.
After that, now, I fell how this energy, less strong than the passed, ascend to my heart (back heart?), and let in it a very strang sensation (like a ants in my heart).
This kind of experiences its coming to follow and increasing in power...
If is there anyone that could to clarify to my what is happening, because I fell sometimes that I´m going turn crazy.
Thank you very much
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