1998/03/11 16:10
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #183
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 183
Today's Topics:
Re: Choosing Life [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Choosing Life [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Choosing Life [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Choosing (a better) Life [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: experiences [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: kundalini chaos? [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
"you" [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Choosing Life with Angelique- Se [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Choosing Life with Angelique- Se [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: experiences [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:22:12 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
CC: fredaATnospamblarg.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Choosing Life
Message-ID: <350681E9.404BATnospamintercomm.com>
Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> Oy, what a tempest.. Peace, All...
>
> Lobster wrote:
> >> > > > > I am aware of were the problem is and from where it stems.
> >> > > > > The process of unravelling will take time.
> >> > > > > Ed
>
> I interpreted this mysterious statement to mean you were disinclined to
> disscuss it much further, as you have not yet fully plumbed the meanings
> yourself.. I found your post fascinating and resonant, and tho I have not
> been posting much of late, I spent much time thinking on it. Guess it's
> time to pull it up and respond with my experiences.... which are all about
> me me me.. :)
> Welcome back, Dude.. I can feel the shift in your energy.. a new place of
> peace, opening. Beautiful. Blessed be. Sad to hear that you are feeling
> poorly, but trusting the best will come of it...
>
> >Gloria Greco wrote:
> >> > > > Have you supressed emotions, o
>
> >At 12:29 10/03/98 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
> >> Freda,
> >><..> She does seem to have the ability to
> >> get out of its way. It isn't about right or wrong it is about learning
> >> to really let it roll off like water. Nobody is purposely slamming the
> >> other but it does happen when emotions and thoughts get together.
>
> yup.. the bomb itself is only an expression of energy.. we choose to be
> victim to the shrapnel, duck it, or let it pass harmlessly thru us. If it
> catches on the shrapnel of our own issues on the way thru, we feel it as
> hurt, and may react to defend. Sometimes, by manifesting our own grenades
> out of our inner shrapnel, and tossing them back. Ideally, after a few
> blasts there is no more shrapnel of that kind to make more grenades out of,
> and we feel cleansed and refreshed.. if we haven't bled to death from our
> wounds in the meantime...
GG
The thing is that there are no mistakes, it all has purpose. The more
you get into spirit and understand the nature of the dance, the more you
see that nothing that comes down is without purpose. So, Mystress does
grasp this, and it maybe what is the push to move all of the rest of the
stuff. It is not about right or wrong...anyone who has commited his or
her life to the walk or the way of self awakening, has to know not only
on the mental level, but on every level that spirit is at work. Ed went
out for a while in reflection, he has come back in and brought his new
focused energy in with him. And, meanwhile Mystress was sitting back for
a time also and she is bringing in that focused energy, and here I come.
Guess what? It is time to break the illusion and allow the pure
vibrations of spirit to wash it away. That is all that is happening. In
this we will all enter deeper into our bond, and those who are
experiencing it as the witnessing can watch and see how it all plays
down. I go into it knowing it is an illusion, that is because I see the
things of this world as only having power in this third dimension force
field. We are not going to leave it here...however, it is going to have
to move with us. Is this not how you see it? GG
> Blessings, Mystress.
>
> Mystress Angelique Serpent,
> Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
> Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
> :D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
> I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
> than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
> -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
--
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:56:20 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
CC: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>, fredaATnospamblarg.net,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Choosing Life
Message-ID: <35066DCD.1F96ATnospamintercomm.com>
E Jason wrote:
>
> on 10 Mar 98, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote...
>
> > Oy, what a tempest.. Peace, All...
Gloria here:
I hope you two don't mind me jumping into this. I think we can have a
nice conversation with all three present. I didn't mean to get a huge
ball rolling but there has to be a reason for it and I think we call all
roll with it for a while. Like I said earlier, I feel love for both of
you and because of this we can go with the flow and see what spirit is
doing.
> >
> >Lobster wrote:
> >>> > > > > I am aware of were the problem is and from where it stems.
> >>> > > > > The process of unravelling will take time.
> >>> > > > > Ed
> >
> > I interpreted this mysterious statement to mean you were disinclined to
> >disscuss it much further, as you have not yet fully plumbed the meanings
> >yourself.. I found your post fascinating and resonant, and tho I have not
> >been posting much of late, I spent much time thinking on it. Guess it's
> >time to pull it up and respond with my experiences.... which are all about
> >me me me.. :)
> > Welcome back, Dude.. I can feel the shift in your energy.. a new place of
> >peace, opening. Beautiful. Blessed be. Sad to hear that you are feeling
> >poorly, but trusting the best will come of it...
>
> Many thanks for your kind words of welcome. I will discuss where appropriate.
> This is not the time or place.
> The important thing here is ownership. We may have been born with ill health or
> it may have been dependent on upbringing or circumstances. We can not avoid it
> if it is there. What we do with it. How we relate to it. If possible how we
> become whole (within any limits of congenital conditions) is all a process of
> unfoldment and learning.
GG
Exactly.
>
> >>Gloria Greco wrote:
> >>> > > > Have you supressed emotions, or did this happen in the things that
> >>> > > > happened with Mystress over the net? Gloria
> >
> >>> freda wrote:
> >>> > my god! gloria, are you serious?
> >>> > freda
> >
> > Peace, Freda, and all those who so gallantly rushed to my defense..
> >thanyou, but it is not needed. I am not harmed by Gloria's suggestion, it
> >has occured to me as well, but I don't hold Lobster as a weak creature that
> >would let email get to him so much... tho admittedly, his tactics hit a
> >nerve with me a few times and I spewed some anger and scratched off some of
> >my own skin.
GG
And, because we have all been the list for a while we do have
understanding, compassion and tolerance for differences. Is this not
true?
Perhaps because I recognised, as he has also, that the
> >intentions behind his attacks were not always ideally clear. Nor sometimes,
> >were mine. We learned much from each other in this way, it was not always
> >an easy road.
GG
And sometimes what appears to be attacks are not that either but spirit
is bringing us into an area that really is about communication and not
about personalities. We all experience kundalini, and where=ever she
goes is where it goes, sometimes you are working out of a very beautiful
high frequency and sometimes not. When you aren't...in that heaven state
of pure frequency, it is ok and can be experienced with just as much
awareness of bliss as the other.
That is what I'm seeing here, and we are going to inact a drama of
dialogue, my feeling is that in order to do this we have all had to take
a part and do the best that we can in being that. As long as what we
talk about is of the world and personalities we have this energy, the
second we are into that higher energy all of the emotion will drain away
and there will be no bombs as you put it. When I asked that question it
was not sent out as a bomb, it was a simple question since we are all in
this together. We can't come on the net day after day and not actually
build relationship, and I for one don't come on this for entertainment
or enjoyment...because everything in my life is about relationship. I
consider every person I meet and who chooses to participate in some way
in my life, as family and the way I treat family is when there is a
problem...don't pull away from it... go into it. So here I am.
>
> Exactly so. Intentions and motivations are very subtle - very subtle. How we
> provide comfort and care, how we provide energy care and Love for others is very
> dependent on our own experience and understanding of this. In order to release
> the objective nature of this capacity we have to let go of ourself, our needs
> and motivations. In this sense Love is always unconditional but expressed
> through a weak and flawed being - ourselves.
>
> > Free will Is, and Lobster and I freely chose our alternating roles as
> >aggressor and victim, because that was our learning curve at the time.
> > Just as Gloria has freely chosen to bring up the issue of responsiblity
> >on the list by lobbing a grenade in my direction.. perhaps knowing it will
> >have little effect on me, or on her, safe in her cloud of detachment.. but
> >the blast of it on the subceptible will cause some stuff to come up on the
> >list to be cleared and resolved.
Gloria:
When you have barely got to know someone perhaps you would cast a bomb
in there direction, but when I feel that I do understand a person on
some degree over a couple of years, it is very different. The truth is
that conversations fly over the net and it is a very interesting
creation, because there isn't just one conversation but many. And it is
also how these energies work together or don't work at all. So harmony
and disharmony is a complex set of energies coming in. We who are the
main players in the conversation...since many simply observe and take it
in...we have the responsbility to let go and flow, knowing that
God/Goddess has something important coming down. Everyone who is in this
conversation, being very familiar with kundalini, also understand that
where there is any blockage of energies...they all seem to just all sit,
kind of constantly getting smashed up against the intrusion that won't
flow. So like in the body, as a reflection of the microcosim, we do the
same thing.
> > (shrug) Gloria and I have lobbed a few good bombs at each other before,
> >too.. verrry colorfully.. from my view, when the dust settled, we both grew
> >more tolerance from it.. I stopped christian bashing, and she stopped
> >blaming everything on Satan like the church lady.. :) Of course, Gloria
> >likely interpreted the results differently.. :D
GG
Do we agree that everything is about energy and frequency of energy?
>
> Exactly so. Each interprets according to their capacity. On some lists I
> introduce myself as an esoteric Satanist. On others I quote from the Bible. The
> thing is to see the value in Christianity (and its huge effect on our behaviour,
> morals and world view) and to lose our terror of demons, madness, illness,
> aliens that go bump in the night and so on.
GG
It is all a part of the illusion. In the crown there is non of this.
> We must also lose needs to impress or help (a very subtle form of egotism)
> others.
> Our presence and growth is sufficient to alter the nature of our existence and
> ripple through . . .
> but of course I can not resist by finishing . . .
>
> Hail Satan
> Christ is King
>
> Lobster-ed
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Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:46:23 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
CC: fredaATnospamblarg.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Choosing Life
Message-ID: <35068792.832ATnospamintercomm.com>
> v: I can testify as to how 'thoughts are things'; no error.
> I don't know the specifics herein, but I do know that when two people
> are really connected it can push all the buttons neccesary for whatever
> tripe which is ready to manifest & disease (unease) is an option.
> I shine the light before me, to make the path sturdy, & the way
> straight. I am Light meeting Light, & only GOOD can result!
> As for me, I shine the Light on both Mystress & Lobster. Much healing
> towards this situation! God/ess bless us all!
> Blessed be!
> vc
Hi VC,
The thing is that we are all very capable of holding the focus and you
are all aware of the intensity here, it isn't casual is it? It is
intense!!! So, we are bringing a meeting of the forces together and you
know what... it is ok.
There are many different ways to perceive spirit, and everyone comes
into it from their past in body and past in other lives, this is who we
are and why. So, when Ed asked me if I react to what Mystress says
because I suppress emotions there is a degree of truth. However, it is
not my experience, and I do give people the space for their own and
because of this the only thing you can do is accept. We have a very
large gap in perception but we don't have a gap in compassion or the
ability to accept the other person.
My experience is one of spirit which manifests as much in the invisible
world as it does in this. Ed things I believe in spirit in terms of big
bad guys and angels in terms of big good guys. Not quite right either, I
do beleive in levels of experience both in body and out of body. And
this experience manifests through behavior and actions both in body and
out of body, so as in Eastern, there are lower energy forces that
manifest in certain areas or through certain chakra's, and the higher
ones manifest in higher centers...neither is better or worse. But in the
crown and third eye collaborating to work from the 8th 9th and 10th
chakra's. There is nothing, none of the above, only silence and
movement. So, what I perceive is not quite as he expressed. I see that
God/Divine Will has purpose which involves both frequencies. And, when
we work together in relating our knowledge about this it sometimes
appears different then it is.
Clearly all of our experience and awareness is different from each
others. We may not totally agree with each other in certain centers of
the experience, but to enter into the Crown/third eye awareness
eliminates this. Because none of it at this point means diddly. So, I
pretty much say at where I'm seeing it there is no issue.
> --
> "The sin which makes you mad and repugnant is liked better by the Lord
> than
> the good deed which turns you plain and insipid." Veronique
> Cupier,
> verse XX
> ****************************
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:12:05 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: John Living <jlivingATnospamdirect.ca>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Choosing (a better) Life
Message-ID: <35068D97.2EEAATnospamintercomm.com>
John Living wrote:
Thank you for your in put. G
>
> Gloria
>
> Your sermons seem to always consist of how correct you are - implying that
> the rest of us are wrong, being lesser mortals.
>
> Quite frankly, this sort of sermon has been shownto be one of the best ways
> to drive the congregation away.
>
> I am sure that we al want to continue to hear from you - when you have
> something constructive to say.
>
> Judging by your recent outpourings, this would indicate that you should not
> post more than one message each month.
>
> I trust that this will enable you - and all of us - to have more restful
> experiences of Kundakini.
>
> John
>
> J.M.Living, P.Eng., A wise old owl lived in an oak;
> 2731 West 11th.Avenue, the more he saw, the less he spoke;
> Vancouver, B.C., the less he spoke, the more he heard;
> Canada V6K 2L8 he was definitely not a political bird !
> Vox & Fax (604) 737-7456
>
> "The Truth is out there !" - and YOU can find it by Dowsing !
> Dowsers * Questers / Canada: "http://users.uniserve.com/~questers/"
> Learn to use a Pendulum: "http://mypage.direct.ca/j/jliving/penlearn.htm"
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Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:02:25 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Susan Carlson <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, plslalATnospamclassic.msn.com
Subject: Re: experiences
Message-ID: <35068B53.628EATnospamintercomm.com>
Susan Carlson wrote:
>
> Dear Peter,
>
> You write:
> >.
>
> Yes they are...and that in itself can be a trap also. Understanding the
> concept certainly helps bring a new level of awareness into people's
> lives...mine included. But this concept often becomes a very convenient
> excuse to deny any self responsiblity for what happens in a person's
> life.
>
> There is a caveat for this...use discernment and be responsible for your
> self and to the people around you.
GG
I'm not sure who wrote this, it is true you can detach yourself right
out of the world. However, when the principal of detachment is
understood as only a tool for being in the world, and also a tool for
the invisible world... then it is in its proper place to function and
allow the soul spirit to move in all directions without restriction.
For example, when out of body...if one is caring thoughts and ideas
about the body and the material world, he/she is restricted into a very
confined area of expression. But, to the degree you activate detachment
so that it allows the spirit/soul to function, to that degree you also
release yourself while out of body to move on. This is the ongoing
process, as above so below. So everytime I am able to deal with
life...eye to eye here, without flinching or having fear, or thoughts of
this or that...then I go in deeper into whatever is coming through. In
doing this you are breaking free of mental and emotional blocks...which
is only possible by not being them...again detachment. So, it is in
detachment that you deal with yourself, it is in the letting go and
surrender to what is...that you become it and it is also in this that
you surrender out of body and then gain access to cosmic dimensions of
the experience.
My whole purpose is not so much about being free on this side, it is
about being free on the other. This material universe is only a creation
of thought/mind/energy coming together...It is more of the true dream
state. In my experience, this world experience is the dream, while what
I do in and out of the body is the real reality. And so it doesn't
matter what the experience is, it is the experience that is of value.
>
> The discovery that experiences just are, is not a stopping place..unless
> i no longer have a human form ;). Often times people detach themselves
> right out of fulfilling life and i know fulfillment is a relative term
> to some degree.
>
> Still determined to have a life filled with more joy, more beauty, more
> love, more money....
>
> Susan
>
> ______________________
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:08:53 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: oreaATnospamerols.com
CC: Dave Hourigan <linnymATnospamnidlink.com>, kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: kundalini chaos?
Message-ID: <35068CD7.4DF5ATnospamintercomm.com>
Gloria:
This is just one of those dips, you experience it everyday in real life,
so don't make much of this. It is nothing.
Orea de Sa' Hana wrote:
>
> As sometimes happens, you stumbled onto this list at a bad time. Don't let
> the first impression sour you, there are many good people here. It often
> happens as a list group grows closer that these little flare-ups occur.
>
> In a way it indicates something positive because as our feelings for each
> other deepen, so does our capacity to hurt each other. As we feel safer to
> post something in a less guarded, "Off the top of our heads" mode, so too will
> we more often put our foot in our mouth, express ourselves in an unclear way,
> or simply write something that doesn't come off as we meant it to.
>
> Hang around, Dave. Tell us more about what's going on with you.
>
> Blessings,
>
> Orea
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:35:43 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: "you"
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980311163048.26797A-100000ATnospamwinc0>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
"You"'s made me
angry
good & hot
spittin' seeds
kinda angry.
funny thing is,
You-demons are
really kinda cute
fuzzy & short sorta
guys.
They tend to get into
everything
and watch.
That staring thing of
theirs really gets
to one.
If one puts their
hand real close
they suddenly
turn
into
friend.
*poof*
gottcha!
betcha you're smilin' now :)
--janpa
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:49:58 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Gloria Lee <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, lobsterATnospamclara.net
Subject: Re: Choosing Life with Angelique- Serious Humor
Message-ID: <35069676.3C3DATnospamintercomm.com>
Gloria Lee wrote:
>
> >Subject: Re: Choosing Life with Angelique- Serious Humor
> >Gloria Greco wrote:
> >>is about one human participating in anothers life. If we can work out
> >>things here with people who are very different from each other, and we
> >>find a way to find peace and compassion, it has to have some very good
> >>effects in the same dynamic going on with other people of the world.
> Am
> >>I communicating this with any clarity??? Its your turn.
> >
>
> Lobster wrote:
> >The important thing is that there is a great opportunity and capacity
> for change
> >that is manifested on this list.
> ><<BIG SNIP>
> >Let me put the question another way Gloria. Does Angelique represent
> those
> >aspects of yourself that are suppressed?
> >
> >
> >The humorous but misconstrued Lobster
> >
> >
> the OTHER Gloria (lurker Glo) writes:
> ROFLMAO.....Gee, I hoped to stay out of this one..but it seems safe to
> say that Angelique may represent suppressed aspects of most everyone on
> the list who is NOT acting in a similar fashion. The REAL question is
> just.."How much does this bother anyone?" I mean, gee, I'll be the first
> to admit it WAS (at first) a bit of a stretch for me to meet, learn
> about, and learn to accept our dear list Mystress. But overall, its been
> good for me to do so..its not required that I understand, let alone
> judge her and her life..aren't we mostly past that stage?? I do
> appreciate her and her valuable contributions to us here on the
> list..but am I ready or wanting to imitate her?? What does it matter??
> As she said in her last post to me.."Vive le difference"
>
> Gloria Lee
>
> PS. I realize that by comparison to GLORIA, I barely exist on this list,
> but short of changing my name..am open to suggestions..shall I just be
> GLO???
GG
No don't change your name, there is enough room on this list for two
Gloria's. Thanks for jumping in to the conversation. Actually, when I
first met Mystress I didn't even know what she did, and I never took a
lot of what she said seriously. I'm not all that sure I take some it
that way now, the whips and chains stuff. Do I feel it is ok for her to
be herself and live life as she sees it? Absolutely. Do I agree or
disagree with her experience?
She couldn't change it she wanted to, not until it was through as
something she needed to experience so, I would say no. Each of us have
to live out what we created for ourself, that is hers this is mine.
ARe we different? Yes, but only in appearance, the inside is exactly the
same. Kundalini is the same the only thing that is different is how we
experience ourselves, which is really God doing that through us.
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:01:44 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Gloria Lee <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, lobsterATnospamclara.net
Subject: Re: Choosing Life with Angelique- Serious Humor
Message-ID: <35069938.636BATnospamintercomm.com>
Gloria here: In answer to Lobster
Probably more then anything we deal with our process different, this is
what I see as being different. Not that we don't both detach, that is
the same, if she all of a sudden found herself as Gloria living in my
home, with my grandkids, husband and situation. And I suddenly was her,
and in the midst of her situation...it would be interesting to see what
that was...for both of us. That is the only way I would know if I had
suppressed emotions, by being in them. I suppose she might find the same
thing coming down since she isn't use to being mom, grandma, foster
parent, etc. It is all the same...but we create our own situation. I
didn't create hers and she didn't create mine.
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:54:57 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
cc: plslalATnospamclassic.msn.com, divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: experiences
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Hi,
What Harsha says about GURU i agree with you. One should test the
GURU only then he/she should become his/her disciple.
bye,
anurag
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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Harsha1MTM wrote:
> In a message dated 98-03-10 21:05:03 EST, plslalATnospamclassic.msn.com writes:
>
> Peter wrote: The mind can not "remove" its very
> own attachment! Any attempt is just a mental game.
>
> Harsha writes: Probably so. So is any non-attempt!
>
> Peter wrote: Ramana Maharishi referred to it as asking the thief that is
> robbing you to look for the thief that is robbing you. He certainly will
> oblige, but not much is going to happen.
>
> Harsha writes: In the conversation that you read, Ramana Maharshi was simply
> commenting on the fact that all meditation techniques presuppose the retention
> of the mind and hence have a built in limitation. Self-Enquiry on the other
> hand attempts to find the Source of the Mind and hence is considered the
> direct method by the Great Sage. Ramana Maharshi did point out that meditation
> and related spiritual practices purify the mind and its capacity to grasp the
> Truth and do eventually (althought indirectly) result in Self-Realization.
>
> Peter writes: Just find a Master, practice their program, relax and enjoy and
> let go. Soon the heart opens up bigger than the sky!
>
> Harsha writes: Well there are no rules since some people simply fall in love
> with a Guru. However, I would recommend first doing some readings, talking to
> other spiritual aspirants, and making oneself more knowledgeable about various
> traditions, paths and methods. Meeting several teachers without making a
> special commitment to anyone is O.K. There are many confused teachers out
> there who have been elevated to a high level by their markeing staff and
> public relations departments. A truly Realized Sage does not have any capacity
> left for distinguishing himself or herself from others by calling people "my
> disciples" etc. Such sages are extremely rare. Having common sense and being
> rational are always assets even on the spiritual path.
>
>
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