1998/03/11 15:34
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #182
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 182
Today's Topics:
Re: Hi [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
RE: experiences [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: [Fwd: healing energy] [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net ]
Re: Words from an old friend!! [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Choosing Life with Angelique- Se [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Choosing Life [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Choosing Life with Angelique- Se [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Choosing Life with Angelique- Se [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Choosing Life with Angelique- Se [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:38:01 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: LHodges942 <LHodges942ATnospamaol.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Hi
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Hi leona,
Kundalini can be raised by Meditation yogic exercises, sadhnas,
or GURU
can awaken your kundalini when he/she is happy on you. But
for raising Kundalini it's always better if one has a SADGURU.
because he/she knows what's happening to you and where do you
stand and what are the causes for difficulties in Kundalini
arising and how to counter them. Once SADGURU there is noway
you can be harmed. Practising eight niyamas of YAMA are
essential to raise Kundalini. It all depends on individual in
how much time hi/her kundalini is going to rise.
Every human
being has a Kundalini,it's lying dormant need is to awaken it.
I think it won't be wise about thinking experiences when you
haven't even started raising your Kundalini because then one
will be more concerned about experiences and can become
impatient. One should be more concerned about doing kundalini
raising acts perfectly.
Regards,
anurag
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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, LHodges942 wrote:
> In a message dated 98-03-10 17:00:01 EST, you write:
>
> << kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> >>
>
> Hi. I'm new to the list as of today. My name is Leona. I'm on other lists
> with other names, but I'll be this name in here :) I joined this list to find
> out if what I experienced a while back was what I think it was - namely, the
> rising of the Kundalini. I hope to find out from conversations here what
> others experience when that happens and what happens afterwards....i.e., are
> there different reactions afterwards, does everyone experience the
> same....etc...etc.. and how does the Kundalini raise? By itself, someone else
> helping, or the person it's in. Just a few of the many questions I have.
>
> Thanks, Leona
>
>
>
>
>
>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:17:03 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Susan Carlson <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, plslalATnospamclassic.msn.com
Subject: RE: experiences
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Hi,
Experiences can be good as well as bad. Experiences tell us whether
we are doing the acts the right way .
bye,
anurag
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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Susan Carlson wrote:
> Dear Peter,
>
> You write:
> >
> >Experiences are neither good nor bad, they just are. When we are
> identified
> >with them, that is we have an "I" that experiences "something" we
> either have
> >a craving for it or an aversion to it.
>
> I always inwardly shudder when people point out that "experiences are
> neither good nor bad, they just are".
>
> Yes they are...and that in itself can be a trap also. Understanding the
> concept certainly helps bring a new level of awareness into people's
> lives...mine included. But this concept often becomes a very convenient
> excuse to deny any self responsiblity for what happens in a person's
> life.
>
> There is a caveat for this...use discernment and be responsible for your
> self and to the people around you.
>
> The discovery that experiences just are, is not a stopping place..unless
> i no longer have a human form ;). Often times people detach themselves
> right out of fulfilling life and i know fulfillment is a relative term
> to some degree.
>
> Still determined to have a life filled with more joy, more beauty, more
> love, more money....
>
> Susan
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:12:16 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net
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Cc: anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in
Subject: Re: [Fwd: healing energy]
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Hi jack,
I didn't get you.Can you be more explicit?
Regards,
anurag
Hi celester,
Homosexuality is an ailment otherwise there would have
been no need for females. it's an ailment may be psychic.
Regards,
anurag
I wonder how the lesbians of the world feel about the need for we
menfolk? You may want to check for residual negative energy, my
friend.
Jack
Homosexuality is adherent to both sexes not just the male. You
statement fails to recognize that fact.
Jack
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:50:56 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: fvpATnospambellsouth.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Words from an old friend!!
Message-ID: <7582af06.3506f932ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-11 12:10:34 EST, fvpATnospambellsouth.net writes:
<< I am still without a definite answer, maybe some one out there can
explain me what it really is to have the Kundalini open? and what I
can do to work with it in a positive approach.
>>
Harsha: Kundalini Shakti is the Energy, Beauty and Splendor of Consciousness.
Your Consciousness! There is much literature on it. The first step is to
become aware of the existence of the Shakti which you have. The rest unfolds.
This list is a good place for you to be get the information you need.
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:29:30 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
CC: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Choosing Life with Angelique- Serious Humor
Message-ID: <35066785.4694ATnospamintercomm.com>
E Jason wrote:
>
> on 10 Mar 98, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com wrote...
>
> >Harsha, you use humor, and it is wonderful. So does Ed, but sometimes
> >people don't understand the humor, and it can be taken wrong. Sometimes
> >people react to what I say as well, this is all a part of the
> >communication process isn't it? But, once in a while something powerful
> >gets focused on and this can come across with strong feelings and
> >energies attached to it.
> >
> >There is nothing bad or wrong about this, it is simply working as one
> >human to another, and I feel it is very good, because it is real..and it
> >is about one human participating in anothers life. If we can work out
> >things here with people who are very different from each other, and we
> >find a way to find peace and compassion, it has to have some very good
> >effects in the same dynamic going on with other people of the world. Am
> >I communicating this with any clarity??? Its your turn.
>
> >> << Have you supressed emotions, or did this happen in the things that
> >> happened with Mystress over the net? Gloria
>
> Certainly I have suppressed emotions. For sure.
> Angelique is innocent. Well maybe not innocent . . . but has caused nothing that
> might be suggested here. We could blame Microsoft.
> Nobody on this list causes me any disquiet. Peoples irritation, anger, confusion
> and otherwise at my antics are quite understandable and usually short lived.
> What amazes me (and others) is that you would make such a ridiculous and
> unperceptive suggestion. I think you should apologise - to the Pope - in person.
> The important thing is that there is a great opportunity and capacity for change
> that is manifested on this list.
> Let me give you an example:
> If I make the staement
> Gloria is deluded (or Lobster or Angelique or you or . . . etc)
> This is not an attack but a statement of fact. Physical existence leads us into
> errors and limitations.
> Now the childish personality will rebuke such a statement with the subtle
> equivalent of "I hate you too!"
> The more mature personality will examine its meaning and causes in relationship
> to itself and to the person making the statement and then provide an objective
> and detached response. In other words it will not be drawn into the childish
> personality or ego - of personal esteem.
> So let us examine the nature of Glorias delusion . . .
> I think she can do that.
> Perhaps the time is not right for such a public examination of the nature of one
> persons ego.
> Let me put the question another way Gloria. Does Angelique represent those
> aspects of yourself that are suppressed?
GG
Ok, what areas would that be...suppressed emotion or action, I don't
know since I have not experienced or wandered into those areas, do you
mean the whips and that sort of thing? Give me your feedback.
I think it is also safe to say that I don't believe in the devil as such
but rather in negative energy, or low frequency energy and I also see it
connected to emotions, thought and behavior.
>
> The humorous but misconstrued Lobster
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:09:39 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
CC: fredaATnospamblarg.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Choosing Life
Message-ID: <350670EB.ADAATnospamintercomm.com>
Freda,
I didn't take any negativity from your responce, like Ed says it is ok
to be yourself and to be honest. Where would we be if everyone was being
nice when inside they were fuming, that isn't possible with kundalini in
the first place and it isn't real in the second. What is wrong with
being real?
My position is we can talk about anything if it comes from love. And,
here on the list we dip into some dark waters....emotions, but in
spirit...I was trying to write spite and spirit came instead, so it is
the appropriate word. Anyway in spirit there is no controlling it and my
total focus is on just staying with what is. No right or wrong, the fact
that you didn't like the question says that you don't want to deal with
what is real here and constantly flows through as undercurrent. I say,
if the undercurrent is there, dive down into it and see what spirit can
do with it. And, because I do this, not from thought but from action, it
does bring things up. I say after all of us knowing each other for quite
a long period of time lets deal with the issues. We are like a family
that everyone lives in different rooms in the house and they use the
phone to call and talk to each other. I say we all live in living
streams of energy, some of these streams flow to great heights and this
very same stream dips down into the lowest regions of creation. But, God
created it all...so why not explore this and be ok with it. Those of you
reading this who are not a part of it, I would suggest one thing, watch
it like your watching a movie, it is not real, it is nothing more then a
group of soul/spirits/in human bodies ....acting out a script. As we do
this you will likely want to get into judgement and pick sides, if you
can instead of doing this...just witness it and let it go. The bottom
line of it is that as we clear it all through the illusion will dissolve
and we will be in a very different place. Ed, Mystress and I are all
quite capable of playing this out without any injuries.
My back ground is not one of being very worldly, but I have my
experience and with this lets go out on that limb and see how many of us
it will hold. Gloria
E Jason wrote:
>
> on 10 Mar 98, fredaATnospamblarg.net wrote...
>
> >Good Evening Angelique,
> >Nice to hear from both yourself and Lobster in these last few days.
> >you write:
> >> Peace, Freda, and all those who so gallantly rushed to my defense..
> >> thanyou, but it is not needed. I am not harmed by Gloria's suggestion, it
> >> has occured to me as well, but I don't hold Lobster as a weak creature that
> >> would let email get to him so much...
> >
> >accually, I was rushing to my own defense! and possibly that of others
> >who come here as a means to get away from the crud, the nastiness and
> >the small minded-ness that creeps into personal spaces. It is difficult,
> >to sort real crud from crud-crud sometimes through the racket. GG's
> >goody two shoes heart centered jibberish isn't covering the crud and it
> >P*&*&ed me off. I didn't need it. I didn't come here to decifer that
> >kind of garbage. I was defending my own position. I guess it may have
> >seemed otherwise, but then had such a remark been made about GG I would
> >have been just as bent over it.
> >I was/am annoyed at the question.
>
> Dear Fiend (er . . . sorry . . . Friend)
> The pixies are dancing in the clouds (it is Spring time - well not everywhere)
> I think you have a right to be angry. How dare people say anything that is not
> about Kundalini. Yes!
> Who do they think they are?
> Yes!
> How dare people be human? Who do they think they are?
> Meanwhile . . .
> Who needs spiritual development when they have a fridge? After all sometimes
> food is a comfort and sometimes a demon.
> So dear friends remember, you have a right to be angry. After all its just a
> feeling, an emotion - it can be destructive but hey who cares?
> Who cares?
> The pixies are dancing in the clouds (it is Spring time - well not everywhere)
> And if that seems mad - what of it . . .
>
> Lobster
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Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:18:50 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Choosing Life with Angelique- Serious Humor
Message-ID: <35066505.6043ATnospamintercomm.com>
E Jason wrote:
>
> on 10 Mar 98, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com wrote...
>
> >I think it is important for all people on the list to agree whatever is
> >said...not to take it personally, no matter what. Gloria
>
> I personally, disagree, and I don't think that is important either.
>
> Lobster
What do you disagree with? I am not emphasizing the agree...but not to
take whatever happens personally...GG
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:08:41 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
CC: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Choosing Life with Angelique- Serious Humor
Message-ID: <35067EBE.3FC3ATnospamintercomm.com>
E Jason wrote:
>
> on 10 Mar 98, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com wrote...
>
> >If you really want to look into what Ed has brought up by sharing here
> >is that he has been shown from within what supressed emotions do, this
> >didn't happen over night, it had to have been building for some time
> >most likely over years.
>
> Exactly so. People find it strange when I am happy to be in the wrong.
GG
Don't agree with this as being wrong,( this is from conversation below)
it is only what you are expressing in terms of your awareness, the fact
that you are seeing it and dealing with it says that it is only
processing, and you are exposing and processing in the open. That is
all...the judgment is that it is right or wrong, but that doesn't exist
other then a thought form, and it appears that we are talking about
you...when it is in fact it is all of us.
So, what I see is that you are being used to expose real life problems
that for you means nothing to expose because you are not in it on a
ego/self/defensive level. You could not do this if you didn't already
see the big picture. I call what you do sharing, and your right, I don't
see it as a problem I see it as simply opening to be who you are...and
in doing it you are drawing everyone into it.
Or rather
> to have my faults pointed out. That is how I learn, or how potentially I can
> learn. In a similar way it is how I react to things that allows potentially for
> transformation.
GG
The thing is that this isn't about you, it is about how it all happens
with everyone. Each of us are miniture respresentations of the cosmos,
so whatever we do in this, literally is about the whole and the
individual. Do you unterstand what I mean? So, I guess I only see you as
being used to bring it out.
>
> > It wasn't about one or two conversations with this person or that, it
> >is about deep feelings and emotions being held inside. Some people like
> >my husband has something happen and he immediatly reacts, he throws out
> >a huge emotional charge and it is over. This happens a lot on the
> >highway, it always amazes me, but he doesn't hold it it.
> >
> > It isn't always fun to be around that, but he never holds feelings
> >inside. This is not the norm, most people try not to show what they feel
> >and hold it in. When this happens over a long period of time it shows up
> >in an organ, Ed told us that the liver is the organ that takes the hit
> >from the emotions. I knew this from working with my dear friend Barbara,
> >by the time she learned how to deal with her emotions the damage had
> >been done. In Ed's case it has not, he has already become aware and is
> >in releasing and healing and coming forward to share his experience. I'm
> >sure what he needs from us is not to be in conflict but to be supportive
> >of his experience and perhaps bring everyone a little closer and a tiny
> >bit more aware of how we can monitor how we speak to each other.
>
> This may seem stange (surely not) but of course the mind effects the body and
> vice versa. So I am quite happy to release and heal. The point is people are
> supportive and we each gain from the process of interaction at whatever level.
> For instance Gloria has a tendency to try and create a feeling of wholeness and
> well being as soon as possible. The negative aspect of this is stagnation. I
> quite often introduce elements of turmoil that though transformative are not
> always easy - it too has a dual edge. Angelique makes me laugh with her hand
> kissing slaves. Other people get angry or defensive or try and talk about
> kundalini or spirituality (which I personally feel is an outrageous liberty) and
> so on and on.
> And people change and people grow - if they so choose.
>
> Gloria:
> >Instead of reacting to this in a negative way, we can all reflect and
> >witness ourselves and see how we deal with emotion. I can tell you that
> >those who will detach and witness will learn a lot about what is going
> >on besides the obvious.
>
> Best Wishes
> Lobster
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:00:11 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
CC: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Choosing Life with Angelique- Serious Humor
Message-ID: <35067CC0.2A86ATnospamintercomm.com>
E Jason wrote:
>
> on 10 Mar 98, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com wrote...
>
> >If you really want to look into what Ed has brought up by sharing here
> >is that he has been shown from within what supressed emotions do, this
> >didn't happen over night, it had to have been building for some time
> >most likely over years.
>
> Exactly so. People find it strange when I am happy to be in the wrong. Or rather
> to have my faults pointed out. That is how I learn, or how potentially I can
> learn. In a similar way it is how I react to things that allows potentially for
> transformation.
>
> > It wasn't about one or two conversations with this person or that, it
> >is about deep feelings and emotions being held inside. Some people like
> >my husband has something happen and he immediatly reacts, he throws out
> >a huge emotional charge and it is over. This happens a lot on the
> >highway, it always amazes me, but he doesn't hold it it.
> >
> > It isn't always fun to be around that, but he never holds feelings
> >inside. This is not the norm, most people try not to show what they feel
> >and hold it in. When this happens over a long period of time it shows up
> >in an organ, Ed told us that the liver is the organ that takes the hit
> >from the emotions. I knew this from working with my dear friend Barbara,
> >by the time she learned how to deal with her emotions the damage had
> >been done. In Ed's case it has not, he has already become aware and is
> >in releasing and healing and coming forward to share his experience. I'm
> >sure what he needs from us is not to be in conflict but to be supportive
> >of his experience and perhaps bring everyone a little closer and a tiny
> >bit more aware of how we can monitor how we speak to each other.
>
> This may seem stange (surely not) but of course the mind effects the body and
> vice versa. So I am quite happy to release and heal. The point is people are
> supportive and we each gain from the process of interaction at whatever level.
GG
Absolutely, and in bringing this out everyone has to go into their
deepest feelings as well, it isn't about Ed it is about all of us. It is
about life, how does each of us intereact with life. Life being the on
going manifestation of currents, some of these create challenge in the
physical, some in the material, some in the areas of relationship, some
on the world scene, etc. Some even in side the body working with
kundalini... How we think, process life and integrate...
> For instance Gloria has a tendency to try and create a feeling of wholeness and
> well being as soon as possible. The negative aspect of this is stagnation.
GG
For those who are around me or work with me spiritually would actually
say the opposite. It creates on going dealing with things...however it
is done in the vibration that everything is all right because everything
is illusion, so no matter what is coming down it just is what is
happening. It is in the wellbeing of detachment that the issues get
confronted, and nothing happens unless you confront. So, I see this a
little different then you.
I
> quite often introduce elements of turmoil that though transformative are not
> always easy - it too has a dual edge. Angelique makes me laugh with her hand
> kissing slaves. Other people get angry or defensive or try and talk about
> kundalini or spirituality (which I personally feel is an outrageous liberty) and
> so on and on.
> And people change and people grow - if they so choose.
GG
I agree with you, people need to be where they are and not relate
everything just as kundalini, however, it is in the letting go and
surrender that you enter the stream of no-thing-ness. And, somewhere in
this process, for those working their process of silence and stillness,
it still has to directly deal with the not doing...or no thought action.
>
> Gloria:
> >Instead of reacting to this in a negative way, we can all reflect and
> >witness ourselves and see how we deal with emotion. I can tell you that
> >those who will detach and witness will learn a lot about what is going
> >on besides the obvious.
>
> Best Wishes
> Lobster
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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