1998/03/09 07:27
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #176
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 176
Today's Topics: Re: Weekly Mail #2, 7 March 1998 [ John Halonen ]
Re: detachment/God's voice [ John Halonen ] Re: Choosing Life [ E Jason ]
Re: Sending you Florida Sunshine you [ E Jason ] what year is it, anyway? [ "Sharon Webb" ]
Re: unscribe [ Stephen Kandul ] Re: Choosing Life [ Harsha1MTM ]
off subject [ Solar Lion ] Re: Choosing Life [ Gloria Greco ]
Re: Past Lives and Kundalini- Total [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net ] Re: Past Lives and Kundalini- Total [ "Rick Puravs"
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Weekly Mail #2, 7 March 1998
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This reminded me of the God movies with George Burns.
Even after a scene in the court room, where god makes hisself dissapear or
something in front of everyone, the judge still has a hard time believing.
All it takes is the child in us to see, we can talk to god whenever we want, and if we listen real close, we will hear an answer.
>I am peace. >I am love.
>I am nothingness. >I am the truth of the soul.
>I am finite and infinite. >I am the light of life.
>I am god. >
>This is me, and you. >
> It has been almost a year since I first read "Conversations With God, >Book I", by Neale Donald Walsch. During that time I have privately
>antagonized about giving up forty (+) years of socialization and religion >for the writings of a man who says he talks to God. When I'm thinking
>clearly, God's words in Walsch's book make perfect sense. More importantly, >they feel right. My epiphany for the day is that I believe Mr. Walsch
>talked to God. Thank you, Mr. Walsch. Thank You, God. >
> Also, thanks to all of you on this list who tirelessly attempt to keep >those of us with less experience moving in the right direction.
> >joy/truth/love,
>Chester Smith >
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 10:42:55 -0500 From: John Halonen
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: detachment/God's voice
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Thanks for your wounderful insights as usuall Mystress.
I have experienced the same thing.
Recently I have been learning just to send my wife love and not impose my ideas.
And I know she keeps me anchored, and I know she has her own beliefs.
anyway, just when I think I know something, the universe throws a curve ball and changes my perspective completey, so who am I to impose beliefs. lol
I have written some poetry that conveys these ideas.
www.flash.net/~halonen/poetry/pframe.html
Blessings to all John Halonen
At 08:32 PM 3/7/98, you wrote:
>>Gloria Lee wrote.... >>
>>>Forgive me in advance also..but Rick, would you PULEASE tell me how to >>>convince my husband that God is speaking thru me? No delusions
>now..y'all hear?? >>>Glo Lee
> > Delusion #1: thinking your husband has to be the one to change, in order
>for you to be happy. > Here's an idea: stop caring whether he believes you or not. Why do you
>need him to validate your personal relationship with Diety? Give him room >to hold his own beliefs, and you keep yours for yourself.
> If you look for the perfection instead of complaining, you might just >find that he is here to keep you anchored in the real world, so like a
>kite, you can fly higher without getting lost. God speaks thru everyone, >She is All that is.. and that means what comes out of his mouth is a
>message for you, too.. so try showing him your unconditional love and >acceptance, instead of talking about it.
> > Yesterday my slave admitted to being in a cranky mood, before he asked if
>we could please talk about something besides K., for a change.. as he was >getting really tired of it. I accepted this and asked him what topic he
>preferred instead.. this he did not know.. I looked past his words into his >crankiness, and dragged him into the playroom for some of his favorite
>activities as stress release. When he was relaxed and glowing, feeling >totally loved, I teased him about being spoiled rotten.. he agreed.. and I
>reflected ironically, that it could be worse, he could be getting pampered >by a Dom who babbled incessantly about.. o .. long haul trucking, for
>instance, or the home shopping network.. "or computers", he said grinning.. >his favorite topic.. makes my eyes glaze over within moments. Laughed and
>poked him "you'd love that, wouldn't you?" > "Vive' le difference."
> We share love by taking time to listen to each other babble, patiently >with the understanding that we are usually just looking for an ear to
>externalize our own thought processes and solve our own problems, not to >convince each other of our respective truths. He is a computer control
>systems engineer and I am a kundalini fetish witch. He deals in hard >mathematical logic, and I deal in mostly unprovable abstractions of energy.
>Opposites attract. Date: Sat, 8 Mar 97 10:47:32 GMT
From: E Jason To: PEGLUMPKIN , kundalini
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on 07 Mar 98, PEGLUMPKIN wrote...
>I´m sitting here trying to get my work done, but I´m way too antsy to
>concentrate until I get this off my chest. My attention keeps returning to Ed >Jason (Lobster), one of the main pillars of support I was given when I came to
>this list almost a year ago, awash in the wake of a spontaneous kundalini >arousal. Ed shared so much critical information with me whenever I asked, and
>he kept me from being lured into all the non-productive psychic stuff that >comes as part of the kundalini package.
Glad to be of some use . . .
> And now, if my inferences are >correct, Ed has been absent from the list while dealing with a serious liver
>disease, maybe terminal.
Living is terminal. Lobsters don't die (not for now) they just shed another shell . . .
Perhaps if I explain the situation a little it might help you to understand. The Liver in Sufism controls the sense of Self. It is the seat of the emotional
body. In many ways emotional stress will effect the functioning of the liver. That is why detoxifying the liver can effect emotional states such as
irritibility and mood swings. Some of you have been at the cutting edge of my (what to you seems like) anger
or an attempt to belittle or some other emotional manipulation. However if reacting from this stand point I would in fact be motivated by my own base
qualities, not the true and best interests of others. There is a high price to pay for working in this way. You do it knowing that people will send you
'negative thoughts' - however they quite often need to see that negativity in order to have the oppurtunity to transform themselves from superficially
spiritual to genuinely spiritual people. Last year I spent a long time on a forum that was particularly abusive and was
also working in a prison where there was similar emotional undercurrents. Because of my own tendencies I slowly absorbed these qualities rather than
allowing them to wash over me. This is because of emotional blocks in my own system and my own spiritual inabilities. Slowly I was becoming ill without
recognising and acknowledging the symptoms. Of course such a situation allows for potentially great change. Therefore I will not die, will not do anything but
get better.
> With his knowledge of Buddhism, Sufism, and Alchemy,
>I imagine he did what I think all of us would do, combine traditional medicine >with increased spiritual practice and alternative treatment. And then maybe
>medical tests showed that nothing appeared to be helping. At that point, most >of us would yell, "No fair!" "Why me?" And then would come our defining
>moment. Given a possible death sentence, would we still exalt and thank the >creative force, the source, the God thing that could let this disease happen
>to one who had done such good works?
I have no fear of death. I am using a Averdic and Tibetan medicines. My diet has changed. Exercise gone up etc. In one month I will be healthier than before.
Illness is a challenge, an oppurtunity. Hell is a great place to visit, much learning occurs there. You have to understand that I was deliberately on a
challenging 'Satanic' pathway. I was causing people disquiet and knew full well I would have to karmically pay for this. I have no problem with that price.
>Not long ago, I got a shock when Bob (Solar Lion of our list) took me through >an on-line healing meditation. I was so stunned when the insight came to me
>that I had actually chosen my disease, literally. Accepting that knowledge >had changed everything. There are no victims of disease. I chose this
>disease for a reason and opportunity, the nature of which I have not yet come >to understand.
Yes. Exactly so. I say much the same above.
>Of course, it´s easy for me to still trust, detach, be >thankful, and be compassionate because I have been told my disease is not
>terminal. It´s like when I say sure, I´d love to have another baby, knowing >full well that I have no longer have a uterus.
> >But what if Ed has been told his liver disease is not curable, maybe even
>terminal? If he did indeed choose this condition for a reason, should he >still fight for his physical health? Most certainly! For that is what humans
>do. But maybe this lifetime has taught him all that it can. From my rookie >viewpoint, I can´t conceive of anything further Ed could learn on this plane,
>because he seems so much further along the path than me.
I still have much to learn. Think of it this way. People have different qualities. Some may have more knowledge, some more snakey stuff (kundalini),
some more love, some more experience and so on. It is by the mingling and sharing of our best qualities that we are all enhanced. In this way status is
not the issue. Commitment to change and Learn is the criteria for progress.
> In the past, Ed has
>said that he doesn´t want to be anyone´s guru, that we should look within. >But Ed, if you´re reading this, you are a catalyst for my further growth.
>There are so many of us here who have grown by just interacting with you, >learning both from your kindness and your impishness. So maybe you could pass
>along a request from us to your higher self, that your work here with us is >not done and that you choose life.
Impish eh?
Then I choose to die. However death as you know has an inner dimension. Sufis say one must 'Die before
one dies', Christians talk about being reborn in the Spirit (though most of them could do with being reborn in reality - Lobster being impish again) Alchemists
(another bunch of deluded fools :) continually talk about killing the former selves.
>I said before that I don´t know how to pray. Actually, it´s just that the >only prayer I could ever come up with would be: "Dear
>God/Goddess/Creator/Source, You know what you´re doing. Thank you."
That'll do me!
> Doesn´t >that pretty much invalidate any other prayer that I could come up with for
>your sake or for my sake? So I guess what I´m saying is that I do trust the >divine plan. But I sure don´t like how the details play out sometimes. So
>Ed, could you please have a word with your higher self about choosing life on >our selfish behalf? I think it would be a good investment.
These things are not up to me. I have no intention of dying but again in Sufism
people talk about 'Living each day as if it is your last'. This is similar to the living in the moment of many traditions.
Ed
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 97 12:54:53 GMT From: E Jason
To: tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston), kundalini Subject: Re: Sending you Florida Sunshine your way....
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on 08 Mar 98, tg langston wrote...
>Dear Ed... >
>Hey you.... it was so great hearing from you once again... I have >certainly missed seeing you here on the list. I hope you are here to
>stick around for awhile.
Thanks. I will be back for a while.
>Geezz Lobster, what a mess. I really don't know what to say except I'm
>glad you got thru it all (so far, so good)... I can certainly relate to >what you've been through -- been to hell myself and it ain't a fun trip.
Not fun? Well now - how you gonna appreciate the sun without . . . - too trite
eh? Yes I am through it. Once you understand the cause of something (this was the difficult part) the solution is quite straightforward.
>I was possessed (it seemed - still don't know if it was real or not), >and the internal fight was the worst thing I've ever been through. But
>your foundation and faith is strong and those two will you get you thru >anything, I am sure of that.
That's right. Real, not real. I was joking when I called it possesion. These are
clear psychological processes (they have a spiritual dimension) but they are quite clearly understandable in terms of mind/body links that are known even in
Western medicine systems. You would not be who and what you are without this battle. We can leave it behind . . .
>I know your path is different than mine, but I would very much like to >send you A Course in Miracles book if you don't have it. I thought and
>thought all damn day about whether to suggest this to you or not, >especially since you do have your own path, but I'm tired of fighting
>with myself.... so heck, I guess the worst you can do is just tell me to >forget it. I just keep getting a message that there is something in it
>for you to read and I just cannot shake it. (and I have no idea what it >is)... (something about a requirement or something like that??)
> >So, if you are ok with this, I will need an address to send it to if you
>don't mind me sending it.
Ed Jason 116 Eswyn Rd
Tooting London
SW17 8TN
Thank you.
>Sweetheart, if I can help you with anything, you let me know. You have
>been a wonderful inspiration to me and I'll never forget you. My >thoughts and prayers are with you. If you ever need someone to talk to,
>please give me a call anytime, and call me collect, at 407-847-2660. >
>Hang in there kiddo... >
>Sending Lots of Love your way... >xxxtg
Rumours of my imminent death have been widely misreported. I am not going to die
- well eventually I guess . . .
>ps... BTW, I bought the book The Way of the Sufi (you had recommended it
>to me), and I love it!
Glad you like it.
All the Best Lobster
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 15:04:15 -0500 From: "Sharon Webb"
To: Subject: what year is it, anyway?
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Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 18:17:06 -0500 From: Stephen Kandul
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Who is this klutz who is bombing us with "unsubscribe" messages??
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:13:11 EST From: Harsha1MTM
To: lobsterATnospamclara.net, PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Choosing Life
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In a message dated 98-03-08 12:28:44 EST, lobsterATnospamclara.net writes:
< I have no fear of death. I am using a Averdic and Tibetan medicines. My diet has
changed. Exercise gone up etc. In one month I will be healthier than before. >>
Harsha writes: Ed, around 1980, when I was experimenting with different diets
and their effects on manifestations of the Kundalini Shakti, I went to a place called the Hippocrates Institute near south of San Diego. They advocated a
complete raw vegetarian diet with wheat grass juice as a major ingredient. I stayed there for about three weeks. There were many people there who had
different kinds of illnesses and at least some seem to be helped. A raw vegetarian diet, under supervision, can be helpful in detoxification. I am
sure you know all this. I believe they have the Hippocrates institutes in all parts of the country. I have not had the time to keep up with what is going on
in natural health, but in yoga, fasting and raw vegetable juices are often used. Slowly I hope to get better connected as now even many medical
practioners have become more interested in natural healing methods. I believe Dr. Andew Weil is well known in this area. Again, best wishes Ed.
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 16:04:12 -0800 From: Solar Lion
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From: Gloria Greco To: E Jason
CC: PEGLUMPKIN , kundalini Subject: Re: Choosing Life
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It sounds like Lobster who I know as Ed is in a very good place for transformation. It is all about letting the circumstances work to create
this process. And, inner knowing along with surrender work together to reconstruct from the inside out the new birth. Gloria
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:55:36 -0000 From: "Jan Barendrecht"
To: Subject: Re: Choosing Life
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In a message dated 98-03-08 12:28:44 EST, lobsterATnospamclara.net writes:
< I have no fear of death. I am using a Averdic and Tibetan medicines. My diet has
changed. Exercise gone up etc. In one month I will be healthier than before. >>
Dear Ed,
Miracles always can happen. In ´69, I was so careless as to fall asleep under a strong source of UV light. Two minutes was maximum but I slept under it for five hours. At the end of the day, no piece of skin was left on my body. When I arrived at the hospital, the doctors even joked about it: "Without a skin, we have nothing to put ointments on. You should have been dead by now". My parents took care of me and in three weeks the skin was renewed. For my parents, it was a miracle. Because I was a convinced atheist at that time, my miracle took a little longer to happen... In general, fresh fruit* juices (especially citrus and pineapple) possess the strongest detoxifying effect. Besides that, they need a minimum energy for digestion, leaving more for the healing process. If your body tolerates sunlight, full exposure to it will also aid in detoxification. I wish you all the best.
Jan
* preferebly organically grown
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Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:43:35 EST From: Harsha1MTM
To: peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Cc: dorf01ATnospammail.win.org, lobsterATnospamclara.net (E Jason)
Subject: Past Lives and Kundalini- Total Love and the Return from Silence - SHAKTIPAT Message-ID:
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RETURN FROM SILENCE!
I hid my love within my Heart
and veiled it carefully because not much was left to say but part
still my big smile made you laugh even though you were half asleep
and knowing well that you would soon forget that we had ever met at all;
I waved goodbye with my eyes and returned to my Splendid Serenity.
When a thousand years had passed bye How it happened who can say
but you came back in my Mind's eye I saw you roam the deserts dry
looking for water in mirages! Oh no! Why is it so hard to bear?!
When you are in pain It Is I who burn!
Again from Silence Silence I return!
>From Harsha's (Harsh K. Luthar) Mystic Healing Love Poetry copyright 985 AD-
just kidding! (copyright 1993) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 03:42:23 GMT
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I dreamed our story again last night, it comes in clearer it seems, as time goes by; the heartache more poignant. The memory of your touch
fades into the molten gold of your kiss, lifetimes ago.
I remember it all sometimes in my dreams, it´s all so clear. We met, I was already in uniform then, heading to the war. I remember the
scent from the soft curls laying, caressing your cheeks, when we first kissed in that never repeated way, your way. Do you remember where?
The whisper from the silken hose as your thighs brushed against each other when we went to the show. It´s all there.
Remember the picnic on the mountain? I proposed, you accepted, we
joined. I remember warm tears of joy mixing when we married, the night of our wedding.
Do you remember those days we shared before I left? Those endless
days of spring to summer, doing everything, going everywhere, and always your soft smile, the warmth of your touch. The whisking sound
as your hair flares against the pillow´s linen.
I died. One patrol in a mind numbing series of patrols. A grenade, right there in the boulevard with my buddies. I was going to toss it
but all I managed to do was cover it with my body. Sorry angel, I really wanted to come home to you but . . .
I was reborn. It was awful. All I wanted to do was pick up the
phone, call you, find you, and all I could handle was flopping about for the longest time. Then one day, I was about four, and there you
were.
You were with your kids there in the department store. I tried to get to you. But my mother grabbed onto me tight after I called your name.
You were busy, gathering your kids to leave. You went pale. Your
eyes went wide and you looked all around. For a second I will always remember, your eyes gazed into mine again.
Then your husband shepherded you and the kids ( I will always believe
they are someway mine) to the car. Hardly kids, you were dressing them for college graduation, I think. I was destroyed. I cried for I
don´t know how long, years it seems. My parents took me to Dr. Redmond , who pronounced colic or something that sounded like that.
Years passed, decades, lifetimes. I came to believe that while we can
not be denied our soul mate, for surely you are that to me, there are those who will nourish our souls, prepare us to meet again.
I felt your passing, like the morning breeze fades to mid-days
stillness. I grew up, married, raised three wonderful children, now I´m free again. I will always cherish the gifts my dear wife gave me.
I am a better person for having loved her.
So here we are. Will you, my forever love show yourself again? Or will you, my sweet companion spirit read this and come share the
lessons of this existence´s journey with me? I don´t know.
I know I will find you, my fated intended here, or in some other way someday, someday soon I think. I can´t wait to hear from you, feel
your touch, see if it is all as true as my soul whispers to me it is.
Jack Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:04:23 -0500
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In the dust of the storm I see your eyes waiting there In the far fallen halls lurk around the walls
it's all so empty and cold and I don't care you're crazy if you're warm your fingers your hair are all flesh before me in this garden
my eyes fog up and the clouds won't lift there's only you except for yesterday and tomorrow there's only me and I'm not the same
never again or before never rest never never always never leaning in the doorway head dangling no place to fall
time to go to work fall in a heap lethargy depression time to go to work another day without communication
and the traffic flows by in the street while I am not snug and warm in my nothingness becoming
I've walked this neighborhood over and over for a way out and wished I was a Fool for the illusion of learning
and again I will give all of myself for I don't care what you do to me
for the illusion of Love
1-22-1979 Rick Puravs copyright 1979 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:04:08 GMT
From: Chris Hughes To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Dear Souls
I would appreciate your help. I have been meditating for about a year, at least half an hour to an
hour every day and as yet I have no light inside and no visulization ability. I can get light briefly after candle gazing, but essentially
all I have internally is black. However I have beautiful feelings descend on me and every time I think of God (A lot of the time) my
scalp has an intense itching feeling almost like sunburn. I also somtimes get what sounds like the dawn chorus ( birds singing )
inside my left ear, allways some body sway. Can any one identify with the lack of light
and tell me how they overcame this. The Guru I visited in India touched my forhread assured me that Kundalini is rising and that in
time the light will appear but I am a little impatient. Love Chris
Sai Ram
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