1998/03/08 09:24
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #175
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 175
Today's Topics: Love and Healing for Lobster [ PEGLUMPKIN ]
Re: detachment/God's voice [ "Rick Puravs" ] experiences [ "Susan Carlson" ]
Re: Love and Healing for Lobster [ Harsha1MTM ] Re: Love and Healing for Lobster [ "Gloria Lee" ]
Re: detachment/God's voice [ Mystress Angelique Serpent ] Change of e-mail address [ Saheb Singh Dewan ]
Weekly Mail #2, 7 March 1998 [ "C.A. Smith" ] Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:47:31 EST
From: PEGLUMPKIN To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Love and Healing for Lobster Message-ID:
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
I wrote a private email to Ed Jason, and he asked that I share his response
with the list. Please read it, especially the healers on this list, official and otherwise. I know you will do what you can.
on 07 Mar 98, PEGLUMPKIN wrote...
>Dear Lobster,
> >Yes, I have been wondering and waiting for you to post. I don't know how to
>pray or heal, but when I wrote Steve, he sent me a lovely response. I told >him I had an excess of health and happiness, and that he was welcome to
>whatever he needed. I played Debussy for him. He played The Beatles for me. >I am glad he is better.
You are a Dear One. He did mention this. Will you play some Debussy for the
kundalites? I will play them "Gathering of Shamen - Native Flute Ensemble"
>Exorcism. Ouch. If there is any way an additional loving soul with no skill >can help, I'm here. I'm starting to realize the value of intent, even in the
>absense of experience. ... > ...it seems to me that sometimes a person can get drafted into this
>stuff without being competent or prepared.
Its no big deal is it? Powers? You are quite right, intent is everything and you
can help. There are people reading this message who need your help. Just knowing
someone is there and sending them energy and Love and Healing will help. I would
welcome your healing for me. I have been to hell (the total denial of God). Just
coming out of it. This was very much seated in an emotional block which aggravated the liver. So have been detoxifying the liver. (I see this is
probably a private message - take the bits you feel relevant and post it to Kundalini if you will) You will find your auto-immune condition has a meaning
for you - has a possibility for growth and unravelling.
>For a variety of reasons, I'm going through a stage right now where I see
pain >and death just as positive as I see joy and birth. For obvious reasons, I
>usually don't tell people this. In fact, you're the first, and maybe the >last. So I see possession as the most dramatic conflict of forces and an
>incredible growth event for all parties involved. Sounds heartless in a way. >And yet this feeling is the result of focusing on compassion.
That is a deep knowledge that holds much possibility for abuse. You will
perhaps be aware of how 'abusive' I can be. Again whatever the motivation this was
seated in the Liver which is the 'seat of the self' according to esoteric doctrine. Be aware that to use 'the dark side' of the force in the service of
compassion is too dangerous - I speak from experience. The 'possesed' person was
myself.
>I have spent most of this day in physical pain.... and it dawned on me to
>concentrate on being thankful and to focus on compassion for others during the >pain. I still don't like to go through pain, but I don't see it as bad
anymore.
Excellent! We thank God when things are well but can we thank Him for the pain?
Way to go . . .
>If you have time for a question, I would be curious to know if, after being
>involved in this exorcism, you see divine potential in the entity that did the
>possessing, or whether you see it as evil, somehow not eligible for divine >unity.
This is a mature question about the real nature of 'evil'. God is good - a
good that trancends all understanding. Evil is powerless, though it may terrify and
intimidate. Evil is imagination. Only God is Real (in a kind of non-existent way
:)
>I've missed your humor and common sense,
>Peg
Common sense is the basis of genuine spirituality. Humour is the test that exposes the spurious.
The base for the fight between good and evil is ourselves . . .
Lobster In need of Love and healing
With thanks Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:50:55 -0500
From: "Rick Puravs" To: "Gloria Lee" ,
Subject: Re: detachment/God's voice Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Gloria Lee wrote....
>Forgive me in advance also..but Rick, would you PULEASE tell me how to >convince my husband that God is speaking thru me? Thanking you in
>advance also, but I'll also settle for Larry's attachment wherein he >thinks of her wishes and desires and pleasures. Where were you guys when >I was in the market for a 2nd husband?? No delusions now..y'all hear??
>Glo Lee
hmmmmm.......think you can interest him in Tantric practice? As an ideal all of ones life should be ones practice. For most of us this seems a distant goal, but perhaps one that Shakti can take us to. For those
of us who are not monastics at heart, it would seem essential to make intimacy and relationships as part of our path.....for, considering the alternative, where does this leave our loved ones if we don't include them in our path? Even the obstacles in bringing this about should be looked at
as something to be learned from, as a gift, and a potential source of growth. In some cases it may be necessary to change ones relationships, in others
to bond at ever deeper levels.
this is from the "Cittavisuddhiprakarana" as quoted in Miranda Shaw's "Passionate Enlightenment"
Love, enjoyed by the ignorant, Becomes bondage.
That very same love, tasted by one with understanding, Brings liberation.
Enjoy all the pleasures of love fearlessly,
For the sake of liberation. ..........................................................................................
also from Miranda Shaw's book (from the Candamaharosana-tantra)
The man (sees) the woman as a goddess, The woman (sees) the man as a god.
By joining the diamond scepter and lotus, They should make offerings to each other.
There is no worship apart from this.
Rick >
>>ric wrote: >>Focus on your wife for God speaks to you through her....and what he is
>= >>sending you through her may be most important.....don't miss it.
>> >>Larry wrote:
>>>>>For instance, I, in >>>particular, am attached still to my wife Elsie. In that attachment I
>= >>think
>>>of >>>her, her wishes and desires, her pleasures etc., before God. I may =
>>receive >>>a
>>>significant message from God, but if my focus is on my wife, then I >may =
>>miss >>>the message or fail to act on it because it may displease my wife.>>
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:04:10 EST From: PEGLUMPKIN
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Healing Words for Lobster
Message-ID:
I wish I could take language And fold it like cool, moist, rags,
I would lay words on your forehead. I would wrap words on your wrists.
"There, there," my words would say- Or something better.
I would ask them to murmur, "Hush," and "Shh, shhh, it's all right."
I would ask them to hold you all night. I wish I could take language
And daub and soothe and cool Where fever blisters and burns,
Where fever turns yourself against you. I wish I could take language
And heal the words that were the wounds You have no name for.
by Julia Cameron, THE ARTIST'S WAY Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:38:05 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: experiences Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain
Hi!
You wrote: di Da said, plainly, that there is no difference between
charging through some blue tunnel to the bright light, and having a
cheeseburger at McDonalds. They are experiences. It is devastating, but
logical, that he included consciousness itself in the category of experience.
Susan writes:
Only devastating to the logical.
My shaktipat master told me we are only here to have an experience.
Its up to me whether its a 'good' or 'bad' experience.
I find that liberating.
Love,
Susan
*************************** 'You can believe anything you want.
The universe is not obliged to keep a straight face.' ...Solomon Shert
______________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 17:01:04 +0100 From: Gloria Greco
To: Am CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: cross posting Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Am wrote:
> > I will ask everyone on the heart list to stop posting
> >that way. Gloria
HI, It seems it is best to separate them, if people want to join the heart list they can. No problem. G
> > I have never heard more about it Gloria but, a little while back, Mystress
> wrote you about whether you would be interested to also post her K-list > posts on your Hertzen list since yours come through hers.
> > If you've answered her, I've missed it, so would you be kind enough to
> repeat your answer? Thank you kindly :) >
> PEACE, >
> Am > We are EVERYTHING and we are NOTHING
> > (gleaned from an NDE account)
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ &
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 17:02:30 +0100 From: Gloria Greco
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent CC: Jeanne Garner , kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
tseeATnospamservtech.com Subject: Re: Why so many crossposts?
Message-ID:
Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
GG Tim and I will do this won't we Tim? Gloria
> > Yes, I was patient with it, I like to leave things go, with a light
> touch.. figured the lists would sort themselves and the cross-posting would > gradually decrease.. but it has increased.. the last few digests have been
> half HZ posts. > K-list doesn't really have the bandwidth to support that, and it seems to
> be having a side effect of folks not wishing to contribute to more > bandwidth by sharing their personal experiences.. and like John L. says,
> that is the purpose of the K-list.. So it is time to "separate" the > lists... no more forwards, please, Gloria. Thanks.
> I am sure those who want Heartzen's mail, have mostly already subscribed > there. If not, I'm here to tell them it's time they did..
> Blessings, Mystress. >
> At 09:45 05/03/98 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote: > >Hi Jeanne,
> > Gloria here, I can take the posts off so that it doesn't go to the k > >list. If this is something everyone feels just tell Mystress and she
> >will tell me. > >
> >Mystress, let me know if you want me to do this, ok? GG > >>
> > Mystress Angelique Serpent,
> Dominant Experiential Facilitator. > Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
> :D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :) > I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
> than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it. > -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ &
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:20:29 EST From: PEGLUMPKIN
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Choosing Life
Message-ID:
I´m sitting here trying to get my work done, but I´m way too antsy to concentrate until I get this off my chest. My attention keeps returning to Ed
Jason (Lobster), one of the main pillars of support I was given when I came to this list almost a year ago, awash in the wake of a spontaneous kundalini
arousal. Ed shared so much critical information with me whenever I asked, and he kept me from being lured into all the non-productive psychic stuff that
comes as part of the kundalini package. And now, if my inferences are correct, Ed has been absent from the list while dealing with a serious liver
disease, maybe terminal. With his knowledge of Buddhism, Sufism, and Alchemy, I imagine he did what I think all of us would do, combine traditional medicine
with increased spiritual practice and alternative treatment. And then maybe medical tests showed that nothing appeared to be helping. At that point, most
of us would yell, "No fair!" "Why me?" And then would come our defining moment. Given a possible death sentence, would we still exalt and thank the
creative force, the source, the God thing that could let this disease happen to one who had done such good works?
Not long ago, I got a shock when Bob (Solar Lion of our list) took me through
an on-line healing meditation. I was so stunned when the insight came to me that I had actually chosen my disease, literally. Accepting that knowledge
had changed everything. There are no victims of disease. I chose this disease for a reason and opportunity, the nature of which I have not yet come
to understand. Of course, it´s easy for me to still trust, detach, be thankful, and be compassionate because I have been told my disease is not
terminal. It´s like when I say sure, I´d love to have another baby, knowing full well that I have no longer have a uterus.
But what if Ed has been told his liver disease is not curable, maybe even
terminal? If he did indeed choose this condition for a reason, should he still fight for his physical health? Most certainly! For that is what humans
do. But maybe this lifetime has taught him all that it can. From my rookie viewpoint, I can´t conceive of anything further Ed could learn on this plane,
because he seems so much further along the path than me. In the past, Ed has said that he doesn´t want to be anyone´s guru, that we should look within.
But Ed, if you´re reading this, you are a catalyst for my further growth. There are so many of us here who have grown by just interacting with you,
learning both from your kindness and your impishness. So maybe you could pass along a request from us to your higher self, that your work here with us is
not done and that you choose life.
I said before that I don´t know how to pray. Actually, it´s just that the only prayer I could ever come up with would be: "Dear
God/Goddess/Creator/Source, You know what you´re doing. Thank you." Doesn´t that pretty much invalidate any other prayer that I could come up with for
your sake or for my sake? So I guess what I´m saying is that I do trust the divine plan. But I sure don´t like how the details play out sometimes. So
Ed, could you please have a word with your higher self about choosing life on our selfish behalf? I think it would be a good investment.
Thanks,
Peg Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 21:06:24 EST
From: Harsha1MTM To: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: lobsterATnospamclara.net (E Jason) Subject: Re: Love and Healing for Lobster
Message-ID:
In a message dated 98-03-07 16:48:29 EST, PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com writes:
< Common sense is the basis of genuine spirituality. Humour is the test that exposes the spurious.
The base for the fight between good and evil is ourselves . . .
Lobster In need of Love and healing
With thanks >>
Well put by Ed Jason. May you be free of pain and may your heart be at peace. Best wishes..........Harsha
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 19:04:31 PST From: "Gloria Lee"
To: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Cc: lobsterATnospamclara.net
Subject: Re: Love and Healing for Lobster Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain
> >In a message dated 98-03-07 16:48:29 EST, PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com writes:
> >< Common sense is the basis of genuine spirituality. Humour is the
test that > exposes the spurious.
> The base for the fight between good and evil is ourselves . . . >
> Lobster > In need of Love and healing
> With thanks > >>
>Dearest ED (Lobster),
So sorry to hear of your struggle with illness. Your words are true enough and wise..perhaps you do battle on our behalf also, just as you
gave so much care, concern, and laughter to our list. May you somehow feel returning to you all the love you have created. Sometimes we are
asked to see in the darkness and to believe in a light that does not appear to us. Without answers to whys and wherefore's, just a single
endurance. Please know you are held in our hearts.
G. Lee
______________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 20:32:37 From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
To: "Rick Puravs" Cc: "Gloria Lee" ,
Subject: Re: detachment/God's voice Message-Id:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>Gloria Lee wrote.... >
>>Forgive me in advance also..but Rick, would you PULEASE tell me how to >>convince my husband that God is speaking thru me? No delusions
now..y'all hear?? >>Glo Lee
Delusion #1: thinking your husband has to be the one to change, in order
for you to be happy. Here's an idea: stop caring whether he believes you or not. Why do you
need him to validate your personal relationship with Diety? Give him room to hold his own beliefs, and you keep yours for yourself.
If you look for the perfection instead of complaining, you might just find that he is here to keep you anchored in the real world, so like a
kite, you can fly higher without getting lost. God speaks thru everyone, She is All that is.. and that means what comes out of his mouth is a
message for you, too.. so try showing him your unconditional love and acceptance, instead of talking about it.
Yesterday my slave admitted to being in a cranky mood, before he asked if
we could please talk about something besides K., for a change.. as he was getting really tired of it. I accepted this and asked him what topic he
preferred instead.. this he did not know.. I looked past his words into his crankiness, and dragged him into the playroom for some of his favorite
activities as stress release. When he was relaxed and glowing, feeling totally loved, I teased him about being spoiled rotten.. he agreed.. and I
reflected ironically, that it could be worse, he could be getting pampered by a Dom who babbled incessantly about.. o .. long haul trucking, for
instance, or the home shopping network.. "or computers", he said grinning.. his favorite topic.. makes my eyes glaze over within moments. Laughed and
poked him "you'd love that, wouldn't you?" "Vive' le difference."
We share love by taking time to listen to each other babble, patiently with the understanding that we are usually just looking for an ear to
externalize our own thought processes and solve our own problems, not to convince each other of our respective truths. He is a computer control
systems engineer and I am a kundalini fetish witch. He deals in hard mathematical logic, and I deal in mostly unprovable abstractions of energy.
Opposites attract. I don't have to take on his belief that microsoft is an enemy of the
people, and he doesn't have to believe aliens will be landing in Q.E. park, for us to enjoy a loving relationship together.
Your relationship with God, is between you and God. Why does anyone else need to be convinced?? You cannot make a leap of faith on behalf of
another. Give it up, and enjoy your husband for who he is, not who you'd like him to be.
Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent, Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent :D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
-- Harry Emerson Fosdick ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world. Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 12:07:04 -0000
From: "Jan Barendrecht" To:
Subject: Re: Forum Question Message-ID:
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01C9_01BD4A8A.B56FFEC0"
X-No-Archive: yes
In a message dated 98-03-03 17:04:24 EST, you write:
< Who on this list would describe themself as an eclectic in the fields of
Natural Philosophy, the Mysteries or Metaphysics? >>
The description that fits me best is a mystic. Eclectic: conditionally, using the sequence: Experience first, verify later, then select from source(s) if Verify = OK. It leaves more room for God. LOL....
Jan
Attachment Converted: "C:\SLIP\EUDORA\kunda147" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 09:54:05 EST
From: UweJohann To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: thanks to Gloria and others - healing energy Message-ID:
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Dear Mary,
On Thu, 05 Mar 1998 21:19:54 you wrote:
<>>
On my last search for informations about the healing-technique I learned last
year I found on internet this page http://www.freehealing.com/
There are a lot of people who are able to send universal energy. If one wanted to receive healing energy he/she has to register there. From this time up to 3
weeks one sends healing energy to the person. And it's free, this technique allows only healing for free.
Hope it helps
Uwe
PS.: I am interested, if there is anybody on list, who knows about 'spiritual human yoga', 'universal energy', Master Luong Ming Dang.
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 10:02:15 -0500 From: Saheb Singh Dewan
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Change of e-mail address
Message-ID:
Please note my e-mail address is change. Please send all your mailings to my
new address as foll
ssdewanATnospamsprint.ca
Best wishes for Peace Profound Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:10:24 +100
From: "frans" To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: The Power of Madonna Message-Id:
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Beloved List, this is about music on a sunday afternoon, (yes danijel
i love Mike, tubular bells and some of Amarok). As a disc-jockey i had to support Madonna financially through the
years, buying the singles, this time i had to buy her new CD. Frozen is OK, but the power of goodbye brought tears to my eyes, oh
silly me. A shame it wasn't on single, frans.
P.s. it is said she has been talking singing lessons... Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 09:57:33 -0600
From: "C.A. Smith" To: "K - Mailing List"
Cc: "TimTobby" , "Becky" , "Nila & Wendy" , "Mom" ,
"Dad" , "Brad & Kathy Smith" Subject: Weekly Mail #2, 7 March 1998
Message-ID:
Epistemology and Metaphysics I was a regular guy before I started meditating. Now, I'm anything but
regular to my friends. It seems as though you on the k-list are the only ones with whom I share a common ground. I seldom write, but I try to glean
what tidbits I can from your experiences. I refuse to "study" god or my spirituality. I do, though, trust the
chakras and I have faith in the reality of kundalini. There's been no kundalini freight train traveling up my spine, but randomly throughout the
day I experience very strong tingling sensations, especially in the morning while meditating. Their intensity seems to be constantly increasing.
Thanks to my chakra meditations I have found god. This, in itself, is enough. The feelings and the meditation, though, seem to constantly get
stronger and go deeper. My meditation began with the desire to have an OBE; it's no longer important.
The thought has occurred to me that I would no longer wish to live this
life without the companionship and comfort of my god. That I did so for some forty-three years is no consolation; the void in my heart, the
emptiness, the uncertainty, the confusion, the fear, and the contempt I felt towards
god for not being there would be too much to now endure. For whatever reason, I have become aware of a life force, a higher plane, a truth beyond
words -- a god. For me, the supposition of godlessness is inconceiveable.
I am peace. I am love.
I am nothingness. I am the truth of the soul.
I am finite and infinite. I am the light of life.
I am god.
This is me, and you.
It has been almost a year since I first read "Conversations With God, Book I", by Neale Donald Walsch. During that time I have privately
antagonized about giving up forty (+) years of socialization and religion for the writings of a man who says he talks to God. When I'm thinking
clearly, God's words in Walsch's book make perfect sense. More importantly, they feel right. My epiphany for the day is that I believe Mr. Walsch
talked to God. Thank you, Mr. Walsch. Thank You, God.
Also, thanks to all of you on this list who tirelessly attempt to keep those of us with less experience moving in the right direction.
joy/truth/love,
Chester Smith Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 10:28:57 -0500
From: John Halonen To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Love and Healing for Lobster Message-Id:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I also send my prayers and love to lobster,
When I read G. Lee's comments below, it was strange, i could swear I read the last word in it's entirety as "universe" instead of "hearts" letter for
letter.
Blessings to all. John Halonen
>So sorry to hear of your struggle with illness. Your words are true
>enough and wise..perhaps you do battle on our behalf also, just as you >gave so much care, concern, and laughter to our list. May you somehow
>feel returning to you all the love you have created. Sometimes we are >asked to see in the darkness and to believe in a light that does not
>appear to us. Without answers to whys and wherefore's, just a single >endurance. Please know you are held in our hearts.
> >G. Lee
> >______________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >
> >
DISCLAIMER!
Home | Archive Index | Search the archives | Subscribe
K. List FAQ | Kundalini FAQs | Signs and Symptoms | Awakening Experiences | K. list Polls | Member Essays | Meditations | List Topics | Art Gallery | Cybrary | Sitemap | Email the moderators.
symbol.