1998/03/06 07:46
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #173
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 173
Today's Topics:
Re: Enlightenment & Gurus [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Why so many crossposts? [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: Danijel and perfection [ tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston) ]
Re: Enlightenment & Gurus [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: cross posting [ Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net> ]
Re: Enlightenment & Gurus [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Re: Enlightenment & Gurus [ Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: Enlightenment & Gurus [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: detachment [ "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net ]
Re: detachment/God's voice [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: brown ceramic heart [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
RE: HRTZEN: Re:A beginner's experien [ "Peter Sutphen" <plslalATnospamclassic.msn ]
noise and Beethoven [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
thanks to Gloria and others [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
wide auras etc [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Many thanks for prayer and healing [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
RE: Enlightenment - Gurus [ UweJohann <UweJohannATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Enlightenment - Gurus [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: wide auras etc [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
year200 [ John Halonen <halonenATnospamflash.net> ]
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:28:37 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: acarreATnospamconcentric.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment & Gurus
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Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> writes:
>>
>> >The vow of Boddhisatva, according to me, is choosing between returning to
>> >Nirvana or staying in the consciousness of the personal God
>>
>>Ann:
>> Such a choice is not necessary. You can go into Nirvana and return to help
>> others.
>
>Antoine:
>True. But you can choose to look only at Nirvana (what as no form, the
>bornless
>One) or come back to help others no?
Ann: If you mean you can take a look at, preview, assess Nirvana, then no.
You either go into the Absolute or you don't. There's no putting a toe -
or an eye - into that ocean.
If you want to help others, why wouldn't you take the leap? How will you
help others to Nirvana if you don't know it yourself or how to get there?
I love you,
Ann
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 12:18:59
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Cc: Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Why so many crossposts?
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Yes, I was patient with it, I like to leave things go, with a light
touch.. figured the lists would sort themselves and the cross-posting would
gradually decrease.. but it has increased.. the last few digests have been
half HZ posts.
K-list doesn't really have the bandwidth to support that, and it seems to
be having a side effect of folks not wishing to contribute to more
bandwidth by sharing their personal experiences.. and like John L. says,
that is the purpose of the K-list.. So it is time to "separate" the
lists... no more forwards, please, Gloria. Thanks.
I am sure those who want Heartzen's mail, have mostly already subscribed
there. If not, I'm here to tell them it's time they did..
Blessings, Mystress.
At 09:45 05/03/98 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
>Hi Jeanne,
> Gloria here, I can take the posts off so that it doesn't go to the k
>list. If this is something everyone feels just tell Mystress and she
>will tell me.
>
>Mystress, let me know if you want me to do this, ok? GG
>>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
-- Harry Emerson Fosdick
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:35:39 -0500
From: tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston)
To: maryATnospamsonic.net
Cc: sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, butterbean6ATnospamjuno.com
Subject: Re: Danijel and perfection
Message-ID: <19980305.153540.14462.2.tgxxxATnospamjuno.com>
>I *will not* do the "kick in the pants for your own good" trip. Will
*not*
>be rude or condescending. Feel like she needs to get rid of some energy
by
>saying this, not to be interrupted (unless she starts to spiral on
>down....). And even then, interrupting/invalidating what she wants to
say
>that moment, seems a sort of violence....
What is it YOU want to receive... if giving and receiving are the same
thing? We are only giving to ourSelves here. I think the best gifts
I've received is unconditional love, and love to give that whenever I can
remember to (!).
Unconditional Love = Acceptance of their wholeness, perfection,
completeness.... In other words, not seeing them in lack or of needing
anything. To tell someone that you trust their judgements, their
decisions, that where they are is perfect. Someone as dramatic as your
friend who thinks she is in bad shape, I would tell them how wonderfully
creative they are (to create such chaos in her life)! You get the point.
If you feel like interrupting her ego-crap, who cares? It's just ego
whining and dragging both of you down. You are giving her back something
more wonderful, a gift she can carry with her the rest of her life.
And what is sooo kewl about this, is you then receive the same thing back
somehow, someway. It is a form of giving IN ORDER to receive, rather
than the world's way of thinking, which is giving to get.
Lots of Love to ya,
xxxtg
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:36:29 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment & Gurus
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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 12:09:46 -0500
From: Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject:
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Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
> Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> writes:
>
> >The vow of Boddhisatva, according to me, is choosing between returning to
> >Nirvana or staying in the consciousness of the personal God
>
janpa gets picky> Its not about god. the bodhisattva vow as i know it, is
to vow to become enlightened to help all other beings become enlightened.
basically:
sentient beings are numberless, i vow to save them all
delusions are endless, i vow to cut through them all
teachings are infinite, i vow to learn them all
Buddha way is inconcievable, i vow to attain it.
imo, and i admit i'm a bit wacky, its getting to the edge of Sunyata and
seeing into buddhanature, then the compassionate urge to take everyone
else with you kicks in and one turns away from dissolving into the
awakened mind totally. One stops generating karma, but remains a resource
for friends.
When all other beings are totally free, then one enters final nirvana.
my take on it,
maitri,
-janpa
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:46:05 -0500
From: Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: cross posting
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I will ask everyone on the heart list to stop posting
>that way. Gloria
I have never heard more about it Gloria but, a little while back, Mystress
wrote you about whether you would be interested to also post her K-list
posts on your Hertzen list since yours come through hers.
If you've answered her, I've missed it, so would you be kind enough to
repeat your answer? Thank you kindly :)
PEACE,
Am
We are EVERYTHING and we are NOTHING
(gleaned from an NDE account)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 16:37:59 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment & Gurus
Message-ID: <34FF1B37.B6B0ACA6ATnospambryant.edu>
Debora A. Orf wrote: Janpa gets picky> Its not about god. the bodhisattva vow as
i know it, is
> to vow to become enlightened to help all other beings become enlightened.
> basically:
> sentient beings are numberless, i vow to save them all
> delusions are endless, i vow to cut through them all
> teachings are infinite, i vow to learn them all
> Buddha way is inconcievable, i vow to attain it.
Harsha asks (and begs for forgiveness in advance)--What if all the vows are part
of the illusion?
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 16:51:42 -0500
From: Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment & Gurus
Message-ID: <34FF1E6E.71822D75ATnospamconcentric.net>
Debora A. Orf wrote:
> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 12:09:46 -0500
> From: Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
> To: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
> CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
> Subject:
> Message-ID: <34FEDC59.3B215005ATnospamconcentric.net>
>
>
>
> Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
>
> > Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> writes:
> >
> > >The vow of Boddhisatva, according to me, is choosing between returning to
> > >Nirvana or staying in the consciousness of the personal God
> >
>
> janpa gets picky> Its not about god. the bodhisattva vow as i know it, is
> to vow to become enlightened to help all other beings become enlightened.
> basically:
>
> sentient beings are numberless, i vow to save them all
> delusions are endless, i vow to cut through them all
> teachings are infinite, i vow to learn them all
> Buddha way is inconcievable, i vow to attain it.
>
> imo, and i admit i'm a bit wacky, its getting to the edge of Sunyata and
> seeing into buddhanature, then the compassionate urge to take everyone
> else with you kicks in and one turns away from dissolving into the
> awakened mind totally
oh "well staying in the consciousness of the personal God", same thing sorry if
not the same words.
> . One stops generating karma, but remains a resource
> for friends.
>
> When all other beings are totally free, then one enters final nirvana.
>
> my take on it,
>
> maitri,
>
> -janpa
Antoine
--
"Just because suffering exists, you don't have to elevate it by putting a robe
of suffering. Put on a robe of joy so you can uplift others." --- Swami
Muktananda.
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:03:48 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment & Gurus
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On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Harsh Luthar wrote:
> Harsha asks (and begs for forgiveness in advance)--What if all the vows are part
> of the illusion?
very good question.
something to go meditate on.
(janpa takes her seat and procedes to do just that)
thank you!
--dao
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:19:08 -0500
From: "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: detachment
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Focus on your wife for God speaks to you through her....and what he is sending you through her may be most important.....don't miss it.
Larry wrote:
>>>For instance, I, in
>particular, am attached still to my wife Elsie. In that attachment I think
>of
>her, her wishes and desires, her pleasures etc., before God. I may receive
>a
>significant message from God, but if my focus is on my wife, then I may miss
>the message or fail to act on it because it may displease my wife.>>
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 15:01:16 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net
Subject: Re: detachment/God's voice
Message-ID: <19980305230116.17414.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Forgive me in advance also..but Rick, would you PULEASE tell me how to
convince my husband that God is speaking thru me? Thanking you in
advance also, but I'll also settle for Larry's attachment wherein he
thinks of her wishes and desires and pleasures. Where were you guys when
I was in the market for a 2nd husband?? No delusions now..y'all hear??
Glo Lee
>ric wrote:
>Focus on your wife for God speaks to you through her....and what he is
=
>sending you through her may be most important.....don't miss it.
>
>Larry wrote:
>>>>For instance, I, in
>>particular, am attached still to my wife Elsie. In that attachment I
=
>think
>>of
>>her, her wishes and desires, her pleasures etc., before God. I may =
>receive
>>a
>>significant message from God, but if my focus is on my wife, then I
may =
>miss
>>the message or fail to act on it because it may displease my wife.>>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:24:06 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: brown ceramic heart
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Orea wrote:
>If I were in your place, hurting and feeling alone as you do, I would take the
>heart as a sign from the Universe that you are not alone, "they" see you and
>love you and care very deeply about your pain. They placed it in your path so
>you would have something to hang onto while everything else seems to be
>swirling in your life. I would carry that heart in my pocket, and every time
>I felt it I would remember that I am loved by more people/entities than I can
>know, and that surely with their help and support, things will get better.
This reminds me of the "worry stone" that my mother gave me during a time
of personal crisis. It was an oval-shaped, smooth brown stone. I would rub
it between my thumb and forefinger and it would calm me enough to help me
sleep. Perhaps your brown ceramic heart is a gift from that greater mother
that we all share. Orea gives you excellent advice.
wishing you all the best,
amckeon
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 98 03:16:36 UT
From: "Peter Sutphen" <plslalATnospamclassic.msn.com>
To: "Harsh Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>,
"Peter Sutphen"
<plslalATnospamclassic.msn.com>
Cc: "LarryN3515" <LarryN3515ATnospamaol.com>, david.bozziATnospamsnet.net,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
owner-heartzenATnospamotto.servtech.com
Subject: RE: HRTZEN: Re:A beginner's experience
Message-Id: <UPMAIL07.199803060311520260ATnospamclassic.msn.com>
Okay....two questions: Why detach?.........Who detaches (and from what to
what )? Warning Will Robinson serious brain pop ahead!
-Peter
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From: Harsh Luthar
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 1998 8:48 AM
To: Peter Sutphen
Cc: LarryN3515; david.bozziATnospamsnet.net; heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com;
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com; owner-heartzenATnospamotto.servtech.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re:A beginner's experience
Peter Sutphen wrote: One question... Why "detach"?Harsha writes: Very good
Peter!
But should we not ask a more fundamental question...... "Who" detaches? Who?!
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 21:19:51 -0800
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: noise and Beethoven
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At 04:30 PM 3/3/98 -0500, Antoine wrote:
>>
>> Exactly, terrible conditions to practice stuff meant to be practiced in the
>> forrest or a mountain somewhere. :)
>
>I admire the fact you have gone so far in those conditions. One day maybe we
>wont need to isolate ourselves and be abble to grow toguether.
>
>Background noise will become divine music...
Occasionally I get into a state of balance where traffic noise and dogs
barking sounds like Beethoven -- same rhtym etc. (Usually connected with
hatha yoga.)
But those are natural sorts of sounds. Dogs are natural, and the rhythm of
hands and feet on horn and brakes are pretty natural.
Music or voices are different, the rhythm can be distorted more, further
away from natural breathing rhythm. (When a person's own breath is
unnatural, shallow, angry -- then their voice carries that pattern.)
BTW, my guru (and others) say that when ones own aura is just right, other
people around pick up on it harmonically and become clear/'peaceful' -- all
automatically. Not by wrapping/suffocating them in syrup, but because
somehow they see how to drop some of their own troublesome things....
Clearing the air bewteen .... (Hm, what are those electronic thingys that
make dirt particles fall out of the air?)
Mary
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 21:19:54 -0800
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: thanks to Gloria and others
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I'd like to again thank Gloria and everybody who sent healing energy last
fall at the request of my elderly friend Rolande. She says it helped a
great deal, and she would like to request more -- or to be on a list for
regular sending, if possible.
I have been working with her trying to help her open her own first chakra
intake etc, but she cannot seem to do it, and always wants energy sent to
her. So if sending fits with others' practice, she would very much
appreciate it.
BB
Mary
For those who didn't hear the story ... Rolande was on methadone as a
medical user for years, then by a wierd sort of miracle last fall (with
help from people here, and some milder medication) she got off of it with
no ill effects. She has still got arthritis (chondr whatsis tablets are
helping) and some weakness and stiffness, but it is all improving -- tho
slowly.
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 21:19:49 -0800
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: wide auras etc
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At 04:00 PM 3/2/98 +0100, Danijel Turina wrote:
>Yes, they feel uncomfortable and don't settle until I become something they
>can handle. And telling them to fuck off doesn't help either, coz that vibe
>disturbs me even more.
RIGHT. For me to go into a defensive state etc blows my own state worse
than getting stepped on does!!!!!
> :) I just have to give them their "food" and
>continue. But it really feels like a waste of time and energy. <sigh> :)
Overall, looking through several posts, I think Danijel and I are in
similar energy/conflict situations with people around.
I wouldn't call it food, exactly ... well, maybe. More like, they see
something out of place, and can't rest till they put it back where it's
supposed to be. Or kind of like I want to turn off a radio before I can
relax, they want to turn me off. :-) Except that when it happens, is when
I'm in a sweet/harmonious state, and they're in a more raucous one.
Now as to lifestlye etc. I live alone in teh woods, no pressure, only go to
town for supplies etc. But it's still a big problem!!!!! Not a matter of
'meditate at 3 am' only. The effects of the meditation last, or could last,
all day; become constant.
It is a big handicap in shopping etc. (I buy all my clothes secondhand so
as to grab stuff and run without havign to try it on.)
And it hampers meditatin too. IN meditation, I find myself thinking, "No,
if I open up this space now, it will open in town later, and I'll get in
trouble."
I think we need a word for "Not a victim, but it's not my own fault/choice
either (I don't identify with it), but I'm working/fighting rather than a
victim; determined to get some fun out of the fight, too!"
Anyway, something I've been trying that kind of works ... is imagining
shields around me etc. Also -- reading Charles Williams and people like
that. Their picture of ordinary things at the grocery being really a big
fight with demons. I know this can be taken too far and get into some crazy
or invalidating stuff. But a little bit of it seems to help....
One good shield is thinking of a fire all around the outside of the
aura/shield, and what emotion/energy they throw at me, or me at them, is
like little paper airplanes that get burnt up in the fire instead of
getting through. Sort of a good updraft from this too, they get burnt and
the smoke sucked straight up above our heads (where something can handle
it). This sort of relieves the people and me too, and then they get real
cooperative. Of course I only see people for short times at the checkout
counter or something, not work closely with them.
> I observed one thing - watching TV upsets me and
>builds stress - but it is the sound, not the picture. When I turn off the
>sound, I immediately relax, muscles relax, it is OK. It is the sound that
>gets me involved, transfers that vibe to me.
Mostly, yes, sound is what does it. But lately some pictures/animations are
using the same rhythm -- one that interrupts breathing. (Even wonder when a
radio announcer stops for breath? Often they have two announcers on
commercials, so when one stops, the other chimes in, to prevent teh
listener ever taking a deep breath....)
Mary
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 06:23:08 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Many thanks for prayer and healing
Message-Id: <970306062308.n0000084.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
Hi Kundalites,
Some of you may remember my cousin Steve Swiszycizowski who has cancer. I asked
you to send healing. Many of you were kind enough to so do. His cancer has been
halted for now (something he puts down to the chemo therapy). He is cycling
everywhere and seems very happy and fitter than I ever seen him. I have given
him Essiac - which is a reputed herbal cancer cure, which should cure the cancer
- something he can put down to remission.
I would like to thank you for your efforts. Well done. Send him a little
prayer/zap now - you know it makes sense . . .
Love Lobster
PS. If you are wondering, I have been involved in a major exorcism. The subject
is still not clear and I think they will probably die.
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 05:56:11 EST
From: UweJohann <UweJohannATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: UweJohannATnospamaol.com
Subject: RE: Enlightenment - Gurus
Message-ID: <4c186f18.34ffd64dATnospamaol.com>
Dear Friends,
since some month I found a Guru.... yes.... realy no joke. This Guru is
absolut genius, 100 % sincere, wise, wiser isn't possible, precise in all
matters, present all the time, uses all life-circumstances for teaching,
instructing, practice. And last but not least, as far I can judge, it's a
100%, fully and guaranteed enlightened Guru.
One fault the Guru has, s/he wrote no book, whispers mostly, or throws stones
and sticks on the path, sometimes s/he jam one's finger or incites someone to
hurt you. But it's ok, now I have a glimmer for what it is good.
Im sorry, but I can't name this Guru, s/he has to much names, or needs none,
s/he belongs to no religion and can renounce any folklore.
I think you all will find such a wonderfull Guru, there is no doubt. I think
s/he is always there, take a look, listen, maybe the Guru just tried to make
you attentive to something. I love it how s/he works.
love to you all
uwe
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:39:09 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: UweJohannATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment - Gurus
Message-ID: <f099cc29.34ffee70ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-06 05:56:57 EST, UweJohannATnospamAOL.com writes:
<< One fault the Guru has, s/he wrote no book, whispers mostly, or throws
stones
and sticks on the path, sometimes s/he jam one's finger or incites someone to
hurt you. >>
Harsha writes: Having written no book is O.K. Whispering mostly is O.K. I do
not understand the part about causing pain to your finger or inciting someone
to hurt you. God bless you with understanding and peace. May your world be
free from pain and sorrow.
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 13:38:23 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: wide auras etc
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Hi Mary! :)
At 21:19 1998.03.05 -0800, you wrote:
>At 04:00 PM 3/2/98 +0100, Danijel Turina wrote:
>
>>Yes, they feel uncomfortable and don't settle until I become something they
>>can handle. And telling them to fuck off doesn't help either, coz that vibe
>>disturbs me even more.
>
>
>RIGHT. For me to go into a defensive state etc blows my own state worse
>than getting stepped on does!!!!!
:) I think we're talking about exactly the same thing here. :))
>> :) I just have to give them their "food" and
>>continue. But it really feels like a waste of time and energy. <sigh> :)
>
>Overall, looking through several posts, I think Danijel and I are in
>similar energy/conflict situations with people around.
Yup. :) I like your "fire wall" thing, maybe I'll try that sometimes. :)
The problem is that I don't shield myself - it is perfectly easy to mess up
my energy; it is probably because that is how I feel people - by sensing my
reactions to them, and for that I have to be open. It is not only people,
it is everything - I can't imagine thinking of myself at one point, closed,
observing everything on the outside, I feel things, let them in, I don't
observe in the usual meaning of that - for instance I don't have opinions
about anyone, my response is determined by what I feel when I let that
person in. And, well, some people make me regret it, unfortunately. But
most of the time I just love it and I'd absolutely hate hiding myself under
some energy shield blocking me out of life. It would feel like self-imposed
prison sentence.
>I think we need a word for "Not a victim, but it's not my own fault/choice
>either (I don't identify with it), but I'm working/fighting rather than a
>victim; determined to get some fun out of the fight, too!"
How about just "open"? ;)) Can one be too open to the world? I don't know,
maybe yes, maybe no, on different levels. :)
>> I observed one thing - watching TV upsets me and
>>builds stress - but it is the sound, not the picture. When I turn off the
>>sound, I immediately relax, muscles relax, it is OK. It is the sound that
>>gets me involved, transfers that vibe to me.
>
>
>Mostly, yes, sound is what does it. But lately some pictures/animations are
>using the same rhythm -- one that interrupts breathing. (Even wonder when a
>radio announcer stops for breath? Often they have two announcers on
>commercials, so when one stops, the other chimes in, to prevent teh
>listener ever taking a deep breath....)
Awful! You know what's the worst part? Probably the worst TV-station I've
met is the Cartoon Network - it is so intrusive, so fully aggressive that
it's enough for me to watch it for five minutes and I'm in the general
stress/panic fight-for-your-life mood. And they make it for the kids! G!
There should be a law against these things.
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 08:36:51 -0500
From: John Halonen <halonenATnospamflash.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: year200
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And then it passed. He stood in wonder since nothing had changed.
Disappointed, he started outside and stopped in the doorway noticing
the trees and the flowers swaying in the wind, and it hit him.
Nothing could ever change him or anyone else. It was within him
and up to him. No one could make him happy. Happiness must come from
inside, and blossom without the thought of return. That was true happiness.
Happy that in this moment he could do whatever he wanted.
There was no limit, no law to his moment. Simple truths anyone could follow.
Simple truths that didn't need to be written down. He could close his
eyes and fly, see the colours of the sun and the sky. Rainbows were
all around. He could run, jump, scream and laugh. Only what he did
mattered.
The author of his own life, to write what he could imagine.
To smile like the sun so that it spread throughout the world.
To feel the gentle rain wash off the rust of previous thoughts
that didn't matter. And he grew that moment; light immersed him
and flowed around his shoulders. Then he knew love in its entirety.
It was not directed, but sent forth and around. Emanating from all places
and to all places. His Mind cleared and he seemed to float, looking
down he saw his body lying on the ground. Not dead, just sleeping, as
he had been his whole life. Now awake he could see clearly, and feel truth
and there seemed to be no end to the truth. Truth was life, miraculous in
existence.
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