1998/03/03 08:45
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #165
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 165
Today's Topics:
Re: brown ceramic heart [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: Enlightenment? [ "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: Enlightenment? [ rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevit ]
Re: Enlightenment? [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Re: Enlightenment? [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Re: HRTZEN: brown ceramic heart [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Kriya? [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: brown ceramic heart [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Chanting ?'s-one more! [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 22:18:43 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: brown ceramic heart
Message-ID: <34FBA0B3.E6D61E0EATnospamgeocities.com>
valeriec wrote:
> i met somebody the other week who suddely makes me aware how alone I am,
> & how alone I have been for decades. I came up here alone, went back
> down & got a degree, & managed to come back up with a girlchild & in
> chronic pain from being rear-ended by a lumber truck & hit by a GIANT
> SCHNAUZER dog named "Fate", & also rear-ended twice more.
Anandajyoti> Many a time relationships emerge on our life scene , which
after a whilebreak apart. From my own experience, on meeting the person, it
was sort of Shields I strongly felt. Then when asked I was told , that all
of the past communications were based fantasy, not based on truth.
But I had involved myself in it truthfully from my heart . It is still an
enigma to me how people carry on based on fantasies continuously for months
or more, then suddenly you become a stranger. I sometimes ponder : was it
just a smoke screen to end the relationship. Frontal communication is a lot
better than having hidden agendas, and striking at an opportune moment.
I also had to undergo a lot of pain and hurt, but through centering myself,
I let go of the whole experience and am out of the hurt and pain., very
recently.
We cannot blame such people for their perspective or behavior, the only
thing we can do is to forgive them and forget, Such experiences also teach
us a lot what to look for in similar situations, if they ever arise.
> Val> Now I don't know if it is that I am "trapped" here alone, or just
> that I
> am healing from being totally traumatized & injured painfully for life.
>
Anandajyoti> Do not be depressed over it , I know how traumatizing it
is.Start afresh, take care of your loving daughter and your health , which
will at least help in lessening the pain you suffer.
The entrapment was the experience, which is gone in the past . Have the hope
that Universe will give you the strength again to stand up firm and strong ,
in your quest and venture.
> Val>Now that I met someone I like, I realize what an emotional cripple &
> dependent on ways to decrease physical pain I have become, & how
> imbalanced I must be because of it.
> There's really nothing that can be said about it; no advice that can be
> given, I have to pray & keep on praying, but it seems no one hears.
Anandajyoti> Just as the relationship broke apart and gave you pain and
trauma, so willfeelings you are having of yourself at this juncture would
also pass away. You are not an emotional cripple nor are you dependent.. In
situations like this we sometimes feel helpless. Its only the memories
hurting you in the moment. Give them over to Universe, and you would find
within ten days, your miserable condition will shatter into pieces and you
will strengthened for you next ventures and quest.
Give it some time. It took me about a couple of months to get over my
trauma.
If the love was not of "becauses" then they sometimes also return.
> Val>I never wanted to meet someone who made me aware of how traumatized
> by
> life I am. I just did. Now, because of it, he wants nothing to do with
> me.
Anandajyoti> My situation was not like yours, although I have learnt a lot
of human relationships through my recent experience and I know better now,
as to where I stand.I thank those who have hurt and given the opportunity
to strengthen myself and truly understand the real nature of human
relationships. Love , faith , trust, openness are mere words, which become
useless if not truly practiced , whether inwardly or outwardly. Whether in
relationship to ourselves or with others. I did not want to have a
relationship on fantasy, but the situation has truly made known to me what
troubles and trauma relationships , if started from any side based on
fantasy., can provide. What I had failed in my situation, was to believe
wholly what I heard and felt as a response. My experience has shown me the
way, of what is real and what is unreal in human relationships.
> Val>Tomorrow is my daughter's birthday. I managed to perform enough to
> find
> a way to bake cupcakes, & tomorrow, by the grace of the gods, I shall
> pull off some celebration. She is so very happy. But suddenly I can see
> how alone I am, & feel it, instead of feeling so strong & proud of my
> so-called "independance". I miss the person whom was like a kindred
> spirit, he is gone forever, & that spiritual strength born from being
> alone with God, & kundalini & stretching & all the gamut, has been
> replaced by intense pain, physical & emotional.
Anandajyoti> Say Happy Birthday to your daughter and have the great Party,
make her happy, which I am sure you would.. On missing the person you loved,
I can only truly empathize with you, I did that too for a long time for the
person whom I strongly felt to be kindred.. Truly spiritual people become
very sensitive to the pain they themselves feel and also for the pain others
feel. The finer you become, the more intense becomes the suffering and the
pain also, physically and emotionally. I am sharing this from own
experience.
>
> Val>I did yoga back exercises for hours today; now all I feel is so sore I
>
> need to sit on ice, & every discernment is prefaced by the chronic
> physical pain.
> I would LIKE to say that this pain is the cause of all my grief, but I
> am not sure.
> I walked on the beach with this guy who disdains me, & found a perfectly
> whole, but brown - glazed ceramic heart, about half an inch in diameter.
> At the time, I thought it meant something bigger than this, Could anyone
> venture a guess what?
> sincerely,
> v
Anandajyoti>
Allow the pain and suffering to flow through too, as you would the bliss and
the pleasure, and given time to heal , even this would pass. and you will
regain all the happiness which you aspire, maybe through the same person or
someone else, if you make right choices based on your experiences.
Life is the great teacher as GG would say.
With prayers for your speedy strengthening and getting back to a happy life,
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/.Forum/6782
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:48:06 +0100
From: "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it>
To: rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, hlutharATnospambryant.edu, richardATnospamskydancer.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment?
Message-Id: <C12565BC.002FA6C9.00ATnospamais.it>
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Bob wrote :
>Hmm. There is no further progress? I guess I'll understand if I get
>to that point. But right now I have trouble conceiving of a state
>where there is nothing left to learn, no new mysteries to challenge,
>no higher levels to aspire to. It sounds, dare I say it, boring? :-)
>
>Bob
Absolute knowledge is a state of perfect Bliss, complete union with
God. All things like mysteries, challenges etc. apply to the limited
intellect and the current phenomenal world. When one reaches absolute
happiness then the consciousness is in a different level. Then mysteries
and challenges and pain/pleasure might seem boring ......
We do have trouble conceiving of such a state. Can a 3-year-old child
conceive of a state where he/she will not have the dolls around to play
with ? They cannot imagine to live without their teddy bear talking to them
day and night. By the time they are 15 years old they have forgotten all
about the teddy bears and toy cars. then real cars are the fascination.....
Enlightenment could be ---- could be --- described in a manner similar,
where we out-grow our current limitted thinking and feel the Infinite. The
feeling at that state is beyond thoughts and words, can only be experienced
and gives Infinite happiness. There are no words to describe that state.
Anly analogies and similes to assist .... Then there are no levels, no
aspiration.... no boredom .....
What is that state can only known by experience, like all other feelings
in life... But enlightenment is beyond the mind, and hence beyond
feeling....
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 13:13:11 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980303131311.00968100ATnospampop.tel.hr>
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Hi Gloria! :9
At 19:43 1998.03.02 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
>Danijel Turina wrote:
>>
>> At 12:51 1998.03.02 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
>> >Why don't you do your meditation when you are alone and can be in that
>> >pure place of frequency? That is when you have total quiet and can do
>> >the kind of work you are directed to do. 3 Am is an excellent time for
>> >this process. Gloria
>>
>> Yes, it would be great if it could be worked out Gloria. Unfortunately,
>> things are far from ideal here - for instance, in the last four days I
>> slept probably ten hours, I simply have no time, physically. And it is all
>> building up on me, you saw how snappy some of my messages here were. My
>> fuse is getting a bit short. :)) Anyway, in the middle of all this - it is
>> better not to count - I actually did manage to make some pretty nice
>> improvement on my crown nadis, so my sight of the inner space is less
>> clouded now.
>
>GG
>Give me a better picture of this, are you living with a group of people
>and working besides? Or is it still the heavy duty hardness that is
>still from the war situation? Do you have food and the things you need?
>And a place to live, heat and a warm bed? I'm sorry if we are not very
>well educated in terms of what is happening in your country, do you have
>access to your survival needs without any extra's at all?
:))))))) ROTFLMTO :)))))))))))
No Gloria, you got it all wrong - life standard here is mostly like where
you live, it is just that I live with my parrents any my brother, it is a
small appartment (70 m^2) and I am busy around the clock, that's all. :)
Let me ilustrate the starvation point:
P133, 64 MB RAM, 3.25 GB + 3.6 GB IBM HDD, Matrox MGA 2 MB, Philips
Brilliance 17", ZIP drive, Microtek ScanMaker E6, HP DeskJet 870 CXi, HP
LaserJet II, 33.6 GVC ext...
:))) Now, if anyone here ain't got money for food, it ain't me. :)))))
ROTFL :))))) My maniacs were rolling on the floor laughing when you first
mentioned that. :)) Starving people on internet, give me a break!
:)))))))))) It is just that this equipment here ain't just picking up dust,
I'm squeezing the life out of it. :)) The CPU/mboard got a bit narrow, I
will probably expand to K6-200 or P233MMX soon. So if you knew my
timetable, you would know why I'm screaming here. :))))))
>GG
>Ok you live at home, and it is so difficult that everyone is in distress
>and things are very very hard. Am I getting closer to the situation now?
Nope. :)
>Lets just say harmony is not something that happens very often... Where
>do you have access to the computer? Is this at home then where you work?
>I would think this is a luxury in your country, were you well off before
>the war? Or at least in a better place in terms of your finances?
:)))))))) ROTFL :)))))))) Actually the kind of equipment I am using ain't
that common anywhere, but it is not quite uncommon here. :)
>I think we can all send you a lot of love and light, and compassion. God
Come on! :))))))))))) ROTFL :))))))))))))
> I will personally wrap you up on my spiritual altar and give you the
>love and consideration that your soul/spirit needs, you will make it. I
Thanks, but I wouldn't suggest you get too close to the energy level I'm
channeling right now, not quite safe. :)
>have to tell you...you are extremely intelligent, when you write and
>share, your english is really incredible. Where did you learn this? I
:))) Actually Susan asked me this on ICQ; my Dad bought some English
learning tapes when I was 6, I used to listen to them for hours. Later,
when I learned English in school, everything was just natural - I jush had
to switch to it the first couple of days here and now I speak it as well as
I do Croatian. :)
>would say you are a writer deep down in your heart, and someday you will
>be doing a great work for God. Meanwhile, get yourself into that
>spiritual connection in the heart, and somehow things will improve. God
>Bless You, and speaking for all of us...we do love and care for you.
Gloria, :** :))))
-----
E-mail : sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 13:15:34 GMT
From: rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevithick)
To: "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, hlutharATnospambryant.edu, richardATnospamskydancer.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment?
Message-ID: <34fc0244.480240ATnospammail.redsuspenders.com>
On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:48:06 +0100, you wrote:
>We do have trouble conceiving of such a state. Can a 3-year-old child
>conceive of a state where he/she will not have the dolls around to play
>with ? They cannot imagine to live without their teddy bear talking to them
>day and night. By the time they are 15 years old they have forgotten all
>about the teddy bears and toy cars. then real cars are the fascination.....
Ah, you're getting through to me now!
Thanks!
Love,
Bob
--
Bob Trevithick
rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 08:54:00 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca
CC: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
RichardATnospamskydancer.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment?
Message-ID: <34FC0B77.CA50F7BCATnospambryant.edu>
Jerry Katz wrote:
> Harsha1MTM wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 98-03-02 11:36:53 EST, umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca writes:
> >
> > << Richard Wentk wrote:
> >
> > > Personally I don't believe there's any such thing as enlightenment.
> > > Certainly not in the sense of waking up one day and getting 'it', and
> > > everything being totally fab and groovy in a spiritual sense from then on.
> >
> > Jerry wrote: I guess not. It's extreme and would require extreme conditions.
> > >>
> >
> > Harsha kindly asks: Brother Jerry, what are extreme conditions? Does Knowing
> > the Self as The Core of Reality an extreme condition? Does Knowing One's Self
> > depend on extreme conditions or Near Death experiences etc. How could it be?
> > How could the Natural State depend on "Other" events or conditions.
>
> Hi Harsha. How you doin? Let's see here. I was just saying that to wake
> up one day and find yourself enlightened might be unusual. It reminded
> me of the case I gave reference to about John Wren-Lewis. Yes, the
> so-called Natural State is not dependent upon anything. To say it is
> dependent upon something indicates it is not the nondual reality.
> Nondual Reality or The Natural State is called that. That's not what it
> is. You can't say what it is. Yet The Sage or Master is supposed to say
> or give hints as to what it is. That is dilemma in my book.
>
> > In one of
> > your earlier messages you said the Enlightened one faces a profound Dilemma in
> > terms of how to transmit his message and is a master pretender.
>
> I'm not saying I'm a Sage or anything at all, but when I communicate
> anything I am an expresser of Divine Superficiality.
>
> Right now this is dilemma. Don't get me wrong. If I am sincere, that
> sincerity is real. So is the honesty. Also my caring for you and others
> I have come to know recently. I bow to you people who have touched me
> and who have allowed me to touch you.
>
> My dilemma is that I cannot give my real teaching. Because, as you know,
> it is not a teaching, it is not real, it cannot be given. That puts me
> in a hell of a dilemma. I don't know about you.
>
> But I say the
> > Sage has absolutely no Dilemma. The Sage is not a pretender nor is He deluded.
> > There is no confusion about the nature of right conduct. There is absolutely
> > no interest in psychic powers or the desire to demonstrate such. There is no
> > confusion about the nature of Kundalini Shakti. There is no confusion about
> > how to transmit the Knowledge of the Self. The Sage has very little to say but
> > says it clearly and precisely. He says it again and again.
>
> Sorry, dear Harsha, although our very bottom-line knowledge is likely
> identical and we reside there together and not at all as separate
> individuals (and that's all that matters anyway), the real nature of The
> Sage is not different than the nature of The Absolute or The Natural
> Condition. The Sage is not confused. He just lives in dilemma. He is
> perfectly comfortable with that dilemma. The dilemma of the
> unenlightened one is what suffering is. The Sage is not suffering. He
> knows exactly what He is doing. It's okay that He lives in dilemma.
>
> The Sage deals with unenlightened people. He cannot treat unenlightened
> people as he would enlightened people. It's plain and simple. Because He
> cannot communicate The Absolute, yet must communicate some godforsaken
> thing in this godforsaken life, He is a practitioner of Divine
> Superficiality and living in dilemma.
>
> Please see that. Okay, there may be Sages or Enlightened Ones affiliated
> with some tradition, and they repeat certain wonderful things, whatever,
> and they know how to bring someone to knowledge of the Self. That, more
> than anything, is an expression of Divine Superficiality. The Sage,
> witnessing the devotee come to the Enlightened condition remains
> unmoved. It is the way it is. The Sage, witnessing the devotee slip on a
> banana peel, laughs his ass off.
>
> Continually being revered for communicating the quality of Divine
> Superficiality, The Sage or Master eventually tires of it. That's when
> things can start going strange.
>
> Therefore, respect and use kundalini, but do not revere it; kundalini,
> too, is Divine Superficiality; and respect and grow from The Sages, but
> remember they too represent Divine Superficiality. Keep respecting, keep
> using, and keep moving deeper until you live from the disposition of The
> Absolute or The Natural Condition. And then see if you are not living a
> most manageable, confusion-free, suffering-free dilemma.
>
> With gratitude,
>
> Jerry
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 09:04:58 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca, Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, RichardATnospamskydancer.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment?
Message-ID: <34FC0E09.31E491A4ATnospambryant.edu>
Hi list members. I wanted to apologize. By a mistaken mouse click I sent another copy
of Jerry's message back to the list. Ironically, I believe Jerry had again resent his
message a second time also (though probably that was not a mistake of the mouse
click). While having to read Jerry's messages three times may be a boon for insomnia
sufferers, I am sorry for the waste of Bandwidth and so on.
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:26:17 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
cc: madammumATnospamptialaska.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: brown ceramic heart
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980303082502.22407B-100000ATnospamwinc0>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Hmm
i dont know what started the thread, but its interesting i have a black
ceramic heart a friend gave me when we met for the first time out of
cyberspace. We had done a shared meditational commitment for 90 days
called the Heart Kyol Che. The heart still sits on my altar.
maitri,
--janpa tsomo
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:32:37 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Kriya?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980303083026.22407C-100000ATnospamwinc0>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Does the word 'kriya' mean 'action'?
i've heard reference to spontaneous movements caused by K as 'Kriya's.
There is Kriya Yoga, and the lowest level of buddhist tantra is called,
yes u guessed it, Kriya.
Ok now i'm curious about the word.
(thinking i'm gunna have to learn Sanskrit now in addition to Tibetan....)
maitri,
--janpa
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 09:45:22 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net, kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: brown ceramic heart
Message-ID: <34FC0972.76BC2330ATnospamerols.com>
If I were in your place, hurting and feeling alone as you do, I would take the
heart as a sign from the Universe that you are not alone, "they" see you and
love you and care very deeply about your pain. They placed it in your path so
you would have something to hang onto while everything else seems to be
swirling in your life. I would carry that heart in my pocket, and every time
I felt it I would remember that I am loved by more people/entities than I can
know, and that surely with their help and support, things will get better.
Blessings and love,
Orea
valeriec wrote:
>
> i met somebody the other week who suddely makes me aware how alone I am,
> & how alone I have been for decades. I came up here alone, went back
> down & got a degree, & managed to come back up with a girlchild & in
> chronic pain from being rear-ended by a lumber truck & hit by a GIANT
> SCHNAUZER dog named "Fate", & also rear-ended twice more.
> Now I don't know if it is that I am "trapped" here alone, or just that I
> am healing from being totally traumatized & injured painfully for life.
> Btw, we are on an island in Alaska.
> Before I met someone, I just assumed I was inadequate, & the pain I
> dealt with daily I just denied & put aside so I could find resources &
> ways to keep on for my daughter (who is very special).
> Now that I met someone I like, I realize what an emotional cripple &
> dependent on ways to decrease physical pain I have become, & how
> imbalanced I must be because of it.
> There's really nothing that can be said about it; no advice that can be
> given, I have to pray & keep on praying, but it seems no one hears.
> I never wanted to meet someone who made me aware of how traumatized by
> life I am. I just did. Now, because of it, he wants nothing to do with
> me.
> Tomorrow is my daughter's birthday. I managed to perform enough to find
> a way to bake cupcakes, & tomorrow, by the grace of the gods, I shall
> pull off some celebration. She is so very happy. But suddenly I can see
> how alone I am, & feel it, instead of feeling so strong & proud of my
> so-called "independance". I miss the person whom was like a kindred
> spirit, he is gone forever, & that spiritual strength born from being
> alone with God, & kundalini & stretching & all the gamut, has been
> replaced by intense pain, physical & emotional.
> I did yoga back exercises for hours today; now all I feel is so sore I
> need to sit on ice, & every discernment is prefaced by the chronic
> physical pain.
> I would LIKE to say that this pain is the cause of all my grief, but I
> am not sure.
> I walked on the beach with this guy who disdains me, & found a perfectly
> whole, but brown - glazed ceramic heart, about half an inch in diameter.
> At the time, I thought it meant something bigger than this, Could anyone
> venture a guess what?
> sincerely,
> v
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 09:56:34 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: tg langston <tgxxxATnospamjuno.com>, kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Chanting ?'s-one more!
Message-ID: <34FC0C12.782167EDATnospamerols.com>
tg langston wrote:
>
> <<< Over the years much of my best stuff has come while driving! :-)
>
> Me too!! (well, either that or after a long hot luxurious bubbly bath)
>
> I didn't write this to the list except in a quicky sentence, but I really
> think that the content of what you are saying has much to do with where
> it will (or will not) take you. When that happened to me in the car, I
> was saying over and over ''I need do nothing, I'm already tHere.'' It is
> no wonder I was zapped into outer space!
>
> I remember one time when I was whitewater rafting with 3 others.... we
> had come to a long very rough ride - I was sooo nervous. So to calm
> myself down, I kept repeating "I am one with the water" over and over.
> Next thing you know, I was one with the water!! The damn boat tipped and
> plunked me right into these rapids! I hung on to a part of the boat,
> where I was dragged for at least a mile, underneith the water, struggling
> for my breath to no avail. Finally when I said, 'well, if I'm gonna die,
> I'm gonna die" and just allowed whatever to happen. In that moment, a
> hand reached down and grabbed me and pulled me up and into the boat.
>
> (BTW, that was one of the most exhilarating and wonderful experiences of
> my life!)
>
> LOL... didn't mean to ramble. Guess I was just trying to make a point of
> the power of your words when spoken over and over, and maybe to choose
> the repetitious ones with great care.
>
> Take care,
> xxxtg
>
Well said, and point well taken! One thing they teach regarding
witchcraft-and I think this is true in every area of life-is to be verrry
careful how you word your spell/wish/request/affirmation. The powers that be
can be very literal in their response, and their response can be very
different from what you had in mind, as you found out in chanting, "I am one
with the water." You damn near became one with the water permanently! (Food
for the fishes!)
That is why it is a custom to tack on a provision about said spell harming
none and for the good of all. Just thought you might be interested, because
the name of the game in witchcraft as well as many other endeavors is the
power of intent.
Blessings,
Orea
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