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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 20:04:02 PST From: "Gloria Lee"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, jeannegATnospamicon.net Subject: Re: help?/MAYBE..Cara
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>
>Jeanne wrote: s The other answer came from experience. Been there, done
>that, used the teeshirt to clean up the cat's mess. The breakup was a >blessing, even if it didn't seem so at the time. A person has a
choice: to >fall apart and let someone else be responsible for their happiness or
lack >of it, or to take their lives into their own hands, to learn from it
and go >on to something better. I chose door number 2, but Cara will make her
own >choices.
Thanks for saying this.. the self-responsibility.. and free-will is what
I somehow was NOt hearing from the earlier post...sorry for getting so silly with my reaction..you were nice to answer me after I was so
sarcastic..I just really have no clue about astrology, so it sounds to me like the stars are taking over ..so, I react very defensively...
Gloria Lee
>
>Believe it or not, jerks will be jerks even without any celestial prompting.
>Yes, some people use the stars as an excuse, and some also like to use >astrology as a catch-all in the blame game. I call them
astro-chondriacs.
>> > Jeanne
> ==-* My stars! >
>
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From: Harsha1MTM To: CKRESSATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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In a message dated 98-03-02 21:10:48 EST, CKRESSATnospamAOL.COM writes:
< Yes yes yes! I was going to respond to Richard's post privately, but I
decided to put myself back on the firing line>>
Harsha: There is no firing line. If people wish to discuss and debate or even challenge each other....so what! You have the right to your opinion as do
others. Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:20:13 -0800
From: valeriec To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com Subject: brown ceramic heart
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i met somebody the other week who suddely makes me aware how alone I am, & how alone I have been for decades. I came up here alone, went back
down & got a degree, & managed to come back up with a girlchild & in chronic pain from being rear-ended by a lumber truck & hit by a GIANT
SCHNAUZER dog named "Fate", & also rear-ended twice more. Now I don't know if it is that I am "trapped" here alone, or just that I
am healing from being totally traumatized & injured painfully for life. Btw, we are on an island in Alaska.
Before I met someone, I just assumed I was inadequate, & the pain I dealt with daily I just denied & put aside so I could find resources &
ways to keep on for my daughter (who is very special). Now that I met someone I like, I realize what an emotional cripple &
dependent on ways to decrease physical pain I have become, & how imbalanced I must be because of it.
There's really nothing that can be said about it; no advice that can be given, I have to pray & keep on praying, but it seems no one hears.
I never wanted to meet someone who made me aware of how traumatized by life I am. I just did. Now, because of it, he wants nothing to do with
me. Tomorrow is my daughter's birthday. I managed to perform enough to find
a way to bake cupcakes, & tomorrow, by the grace of the gods, I shall pull off some celebration. She is so very happy. But suddenly I can see
how alone I am, & feel it, instead of feeling so strong & proud of my so-called "independance". I miss the person whom was like a kindred
spirit, he is gone forever, & that spiritual strength born from being alone with God, & kundalini & stretching & all the gamut, has been
replaced by intense pain, physical & emotional. I did yoga back exercises for hours today; now all I feel is so sore I
need to sit on ice, & every discernment is prefaced by the chronic physical pain.
I would LIKE to say that this pain is the cause of all my grief, but I am not sure.
I walked on the beach with this guy who disdains me, & found a perfectly whole, but brown - glazed ceramic heart, about half an inch in diameter.
At the time, I thought it meant something bigger than this, Could anyone venture a guess what?
sincerely, v
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:43:37 +0100 From: Gloria Greco
To: Danijel Turina CC: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Danijel Turina wrote:
> > At 12:51 1998.03.02 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
> >Why don't you do your meditation when you are alone and can be in that > >pure place of frequency? That is when you have total quiet and can do
> >the kind of work you are directed to do. 3 Am is an excellent time for > >this process. Gloria
> > Yes, it would be great if it could be worked out Gloria. Unfortunately,
> things are far from ideal here - for instance, in the last four days I > slept probably ten hours, I simply have no time, physically. And it is all
> building up on me, you saw how snappy some of my messages here were. My > fuse is getting a bit short. :)) Anyway, in the middle of all this - it is
> better not to count - I actually did manage to make some pretty nice > improvement on my crown nadis, so my sight of the inner space is less
> clouded now.
GG Give me a better picture of this, are you living with a group of people
and working besides? Or is it still the heavy duty hardness that is still from the war situation? Do you have food and the things you need?
And a place to live, heat and a warm bed? I'm sorry if we are not very well educated in terms of what is happening in your country, do you have
access to your survival needs without any extra's at all?
Things are moving, but if I tell you I worked on that in my
> kitchen, behind PC, while expecting messages to come or reading some of > them, with my parents all over my back, and with DTP/scanning work on
> Magneti Marelli technical service manuals for car electronics (I have to do > _something_ for a living:), you'll get the picture here. That's no asram
> here, more like a psycho ward. :)))) LOL :))))
GG Ok you live at home, and it is so difficult that everyone is in distress
and things are very very hard. Am I getting closer to the situation now? Lets just say harmony is not something that happens very often... Where
do you have access to the computer? Is this at home then where you work? I would think this is a luxury in your country, were you well off before
the war? Or at least in a better place in terms of your finances?
I think we can all send you a lot of love and light, and compassion. God has a reason for things even when it seems like there just can not be a
reason in the world to explain this, but you are going through the hard time that most of us have never even had a inkling of . So do forgive
our not knowing or understanding because it isn't that we don't care, it is simply not being in the experience and not having anything to draw on
to give us the awareness of being in that situation. We have all see the news and we see suffering in this capacity but it doesn't even come
close to what it feels like or the insanity that goes with it. Do forgive us for this, even the questions I am asking must sound stupid.
I will personally wrap you up on my spiritual altar and give you the
love and consideration that your soul/spirit needs, you will make it. I have to tell you...you are extremely intelligent, when you write and
share, your english is really incredible. Where did you learn this? I would say you are a writer deep down in your heart, and someday you will
be doing a great work for God. Meanwhile, get yourself into that spiritual connection in the heart, and somehow things will improve. God
Bless You, and speaking for all of us...we do love and care for you. Gloria
> > -----
> E-mail : sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr > Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
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Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 20:23:03 +0100 From: Gloria Greco
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca CC: Harsha1MTM , kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
RichardATnospamskydancer.com Subject: Re: Enlightenment?
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Jerry and Richard: Hi, Gloria here. Interesting discussion, my input is like this, becoming
aborbed into God is one continuous movement, there is no confusion, feelings, thoughts, etc. This is all personal and needs an I to come
from... which is released in the movement. There is nothing but being and very quiet peacful being at that.
Jerry Katz wrote: >
> Harsha1MTM wrote: > >
> > In a message dated 98-03-02 11:36:53 EST, umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca writes: > >
> > < Richard Wentk wrote: > >
> > > Personally I don't believe there's any such thing as enlightenment. > > > Certainly not in the sense of waking up one day and getting 'it', and
> > > everything being totally fab and groovy in a spiritual sense from then on. > >
> > Jerry wrote: I guess not. It's extreme and would require extreme conditions. > > >>
> > > > Harsha kindly asks: Brother Jerry, what are extreme conditions? Does Knowing
> > the Self as The Core of Reality an extreme condition? Does Knowing One's Self > > depend on extreme conditions or Near Death experiences etc. How could it be?
> > How could the Natural State depend on "Other" events or conditions. >
> Hi Harsha. How you doin? Let's see here. I was just saying that to wake > up one day and find yourself enlightened might be unusual. It reminded
> me of the case I gave reference to about John Wren-Lewis. Yes, the > so-called Natural State is not dependent upon anything. To say it is
> dependent upon something indicates it is not the nondual reality. > Nondual Reality or The Natural State is called that. That's not what it
> is. You can't say what it is. Yet The Sage or Master is supposed to say > or give hints as to what it is. That is dilemma in my book.
> > > In one of
> > your earlier messages you said the Enlightened one faces a profound Dilemma in > > terms of how to transmit his message and is a master pretender.
> > I'm not saying I'm a Sage or anything at all, but when I communicate
> anything I am an expresser of Divine Superficiality. >
> Right now this is dilemma. Don't get me wrong. If I am sincere, that > sincerity is real. So is the honesty. Also my caring for you and others
> I have come to know recently. I bow to you people who have touched me > and who have allowed me to touch you.
> > My dilemma is that I cannot give my real teaching. Because, as you know,
> it is not a teaching, it is not real, it cannot be given. That puts me > in a hell of a dilemma. I don't know about you.
> > But I say the
> > Sage has absolutely no Dilemma. The Sage is not a pretender nor is He deluded. > > There is no confusion about the nature of right conduct. There is absolutely
> > no interest in psychic powers or the desire to demonstrate such. There is no > > confusion about the nature of Kundalini Shakti. There is no confusion about
> > how to transmit the Knowledge of the Self. The Sage has very little to say but > > says it clearly and precisely. He says it again and again.
> > Sorry, dear Harsha, although our very bottom-line knowledge is likely
> identical and we reside there together and not at all as separate > individuals (and that's all that matters anyway), the real nature of The
> Sage is not different than the nature of The Absolute or The Natural > Condition. The Sage is not confused. He just lives in dilemma. He is
> perfectly comfortable with that dilemma. The dilemma of the > unenlightened one is what suffering is. The Sage is not suffering. He
> knows exactly what He is doing. It's okay that He lives in dilemma. >
> The Sage deals with unenlightened people. He cannot treat unenlightened > people as he would enlightened people. It's plain and simple. Because He
> cannot communicate The Absolute, yet must communicate some godforsaken > thing in this godforsaken life, He is a practitioner of Divine
> Superficiality and living in dilemma. >
> Please see that. Okay, there may be Sages or Enlightened Ones affiliated > with some tradition, and they repeat certain wonderful things, whatever,
> and they know how to bring someone to knowledge of the Self. That, more > than anything, is an expression of Divine Superficiality. The Sage,
> witnessing the devotee come to the Enlightened condition remains > unmoved. It is the way it is. The Sage, witnessing the devotee slip on a
> banana peel, laughs his ass off. >
> Continually being revered for communicating the quality of Divine > Superficiality, The Sage or Master eventually tires of it. That's when
> things can start going strange. >
> Therefore, respect and use kundalini, but do not revere it; kundalini, > too, is Divine Superficiality; and respect and grow from The Sages, but
> remember they too represent Divine Superficiality. Keep respecting, keep > using, and keep moving deeper until you live from the disposition of The
> Absolute or The Natural Condition. And then see if you are not living a > most manageable, confusion-free, suffering-free dilemma.
> > With gratitude,
> > Jerry
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Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ &
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 20:38:37 +0100 From: Gloria Greco
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valeriec wrote:
> > i met somebody the other week who suddely makes me aware how alone I am,
> & how alone I have been for decades. I came up here alone, went back > down & got a degree, & managed to come back up with a girlchild & in
> chronic pain from being rear-ended by a lumber truck & hit by a GIANT > SCHNAUZER dog named "Fate", & also rear-ended twice more.
Hi Val,
We haven't heard from you for a while. Sounds like things got stirred up a bit.
I would say you have had a realization and that is the first step of change. Instead of getting down and depressed why not open yourself to
new possabilities. You can undo what has been by putting it all in God's hands and doing exactly what comes to you to reverse it. I would say you
had a major shift in your awareness.
> Now I don't know if it is that I am "trapped" here alone, or just that I > am healing from being totally traumatized & injured painfully for life.
> Btw, we are on an island in Alaska. > Before I met someone, I just assumed I was inadequate, & the pain I
> dealt with daily I just denied & put aside so I could find resources & > ways to keep on for my daughter (who is very special).
> Now that I met someone I like, I realize what an emotional cripple & > dependent on ways to decrease physical pain I have become, & how
> imbalanced I must be because of it.
GG Again, you are getting a good look at things, change it into a positive
and use it to empower you. God made you with great abilities that are hidden, so don't throw in the towel now. It is all illusion so pick
yourself up and have a heart to heart talk with God and look for the way out. If there is a problem there is also a solution, you know that.
> There's really nothing that can be said about it; no advice that can be > given, I have to pray & keep on praying, but it seems no one hears.
> I never wanted to meet someone who made me aware of how traumatized by > life I am. I just did.
GG
This isn't true, if you didn't need and want someone in your life you would not have drawn it to yourself. Be honest here.
Now, because of it, he wants nothing to do with > me.
> Tomorrow is my daughter's birthday. I managed to perform enough to find > a way to bake cupcakes, & tomorrow, by the grace of the gods, I shall
> pull off some celebration. She is so very happy. But suddenly I can see > how alone I am, & feel it, instead of feeling so strong & proud of my
> so-called "independance". I miss the person whom was like a kindred > spirit, he is gone forever, & that spiritual strength born from being
> alone with God, & kundalini & stretching & all the gamut, has been > replaced by intense pain, physical & emotional.
GG
Forever is a long time, you don't know this, open yourself to God's Will for you. It may seem like there is nothing to live for, but believe me
this isn't true. You are sitting in your solar plexus feeling sorry for yourself, just go into the heart, let go, accept your self exactly as
you are...And surrender to God. that is the only way out, with it will come knowing, energy, resolve, understanding, and a brand new outlook
with energy to support it. Maybe you have just hit bottom and the only way left to go is up.
> I did yoga back exercises for hours today; now all I feel is so sore I
> need to sit on ice, & every discernment is prefaced by the chronic > physical pain.
> I would LIKE to say that this pain is the cause of all my grief, but I > am not sure.
GG
Its not, but it is good place to be, be thankful for the ability to look observe, and feel. Detach from those thoughts and feelings, look at it
like your watching a movie. Is your life an interesting movie, a soap opera, just a movie...isn't it. That is all any of our lives are, just a
movie, now...pull back. Look at all of those emotions bubbling up inside, look at the thoughts, don't give them anything...remember your
watching a movie. Even if it is a good movie you know its not real, that is how real all of this is. It just is stuff. Let it go, go to sleep and
you will wake up with a clear head. Get up and feel the sun on your face, take a shower, meditate and get into your heart center.
> I walked on the beach with this guy who disdains me, & found a perfectly > whole, but brown - glazed ceramic heart, about half an inch in diameter.
> At the time, I thought it meant something bigger than this, Could anyone > venture a guess what?
GG
Yes, its time to move into your heart center, and it is time to acknowledge yourself as a soul/spirit moving on the journey to the real
home, God is calling you dear. Gloria > sincerely,
> v
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Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
& http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them! Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 20:39:37 +0100
From: Gloria Greco To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com Subject: Re: HRTZEN: brown ceramic heart
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By the way is this the same man you told me about a few months ago? Gloria
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 05:23:47 GMT From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: RE: Question ? Copper Bracelet
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Does anyone know anything about the healing properties of pure copper? Or anything to do with copper and K?
Jack
"needs sugar...." -Socrates Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 20:26:17 -0800
From: valeriec To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com Subject: Re: HRTZEN: brown ceramic heart
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Gloria Greco wrote: >
> By the way is this the same man you told me about a few months ago? > Gloria
i don't think so; this guy is within 3000 miles - in fact he came here
on the ferry today. I am just driving myself insane about it.
I think I am better off as a nun whose church is everywhere... ;)
v ps ( what a world!)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 21:49:26 +0100 From: Gloria Greco
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
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valeriec wrote:
> > Gloria Greco wrote:
> > > > By the way is this the same man you told me about a few months ago?
> > Gloria >
> i don't think so; this guy is within 3000 miles - in fact he came here > on the ferry today.
GG You mean he was just here visiting? How did you meet him?
> I am just driving myself insane about it. > I think I am better off as a nun whose church is everywhere...
> ;) > v
> ps ( what a world!)
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
& http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them! Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 21:51:25 +0100
From: Gloria Greco To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com Subject: Re: HRTZEN: brown ceramic heart
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I know your having a real hard time right now, but don't let it do you in, your strong and God is with you. It will pass. Maybe it is time to
get back into the world more then you are there in Alaska, have you thought about that? G
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