1998/03/02 14:18
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #162
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 162
Today's Topics:
Re: Re. Enlightenment & Gurus [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: Enlightenment? [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: Enlightenment? [ tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston) ]
Re: Chanting ?'s-one more! [ tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston) ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re. Enlightenment & Gurus [ "frans" <fransATnospamtelebyte.nl> ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toro ]
Unidentified subject! [ Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toro ]
Re: Enlightenment? [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: powerful connections [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re:A beginner's experien [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 12:40:06 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
CC: richardATnospamskydancer.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re. Enlightenment & Gurus
Message-ID: <34FAEEF5.5866E4A6ATnospambryant.edu>
Harsha writes: To what Alan wrote I can only say....Beautiful, Beautiful, and
Beautiful. The Real Guru Frees and does not bind. He acts like an ice cube. He cools
your consciousness and then dissappears without a Trace. It is only Who You truly
are.
Afperry wrote:
> Dear Richard,
> I was most interested in your posting; this is a difficult area where emotions
> and egos are constantly muddying the already turbulent waters!
>
> IMHO, the majority of 'gurus' in this world are more like businessmen/women
> than teachers. I am regularly appalled by the pure commercialism of much that
> passes for spirituality, especially here in the West, and I have serious
> doubts about the private motivation of many professed gurus - even though they
> may have attained a considerable spiritual height (God and mammon do not
> appear to be mutually exclusive until the final straight!). However it is
> important not to throw away the baby with the bath
> water........................ :-)
>
> I am fascinated by the evidence that even from the highest spiritual level,
> one can fall - and fall very badly. The recent case of Swami Premananda in
> Tamil Nadu is particularly disturbing: openly recognised as one of the great
> living gurus of India, and one of the very few who still produces materialised
> lingams from inside him on the night of Mahashivaratri (i.e. not just an
> acquired siddhi), Premananda is currently serving life imprisonment for the
> rape of several of his female disciples and for being an accessory to murder.
> How is this possible? And the fact that it obviously is possible raises the
> awkward question "After all my spiritual efforts, could it still happen to
> me?". The Indian epics are full of stories about spiritually-advanced souls
> who fell at the final hurdle, and what about dear old Lucifer
> himself..................
>
> During my life, I have been blessed with close contact with a number of
> gurus, male and female, mainly Indian or Sri Lankan but one American. All
> these have been beyond reproach as regards their individual life-styles, even
> though I have not always agreed with everything they say and do, but several
> striking similarities can be clearly seen in those I have met who are God-
> Realised (which may not all be apparent in those who are just spiritually-
> advanced):
>
> 1. They actually live their message, there is no inconsistency at any level
> that I am aware of. They teach love and service and they live love and
> service.
> 2. None of them charges money for access to them (even though their attendant
> organisations can often be subtly commercial), surviving on donations, etc.
> The general feel has always been "Mother Lakshmi will provide", and She does.
> 3. None has ever tried to recruit disciples or to expand his/her organisation
> by manipulating devotees. Each has shown by example that the sole
> consideration is the spiritual advancement of the individual and, furthermore,
> that their function as an external guru is simply to lead the disciple to
> their inner guru, our God source within, and to a point where the disciple can
> rely totally on that and no longer needs the external figure. The real guru
> frees, he does not bind.
> 4. The possession of siddhis can never be a guideline, but all God-Realised
> teachers will have power/shakti. You will feel it in their presence, in their
> words, their writings and around everything to do with them. This power is
> transformative, purging, purifying, cleansing and, often, churning to the very
> core. And the teachers themselves will never claim it is their power - only
> that they are instruments of God, bringing that shakti to help others.
> Humility and honesty are very clear Divine traits.
> 5. All the God-Realised teachers I have been involved with saw God equally in
> all religions and cultures, and would not even classify themselves as
> necessarily Hindu. They teach universality because that is what they have
> become. There can be no sectarianism at this level, nor any dogma.
> 6. Finally, a tree is known by its fruits. In assessing the worth of any
> spiritual teacher, I have found the finest method is to bypass the figurehead,
> who may be very charismatic, and look closely at those around him/her. Do you
> like what you see or not? Fawning acolytes or earnest sadhakas, etc. etc.?
>
> Discrimination is a critical faculty that we all need to develop and all gurus
> can help us to do that, whether Rajneesh, Sai Baba or Da Free John. I recall
> the words of Mabel Collins earlier this century: "No man is your enemy, no man
> is your friend. All alike are your teachers". We should do well to remember
> that!
>
> With blessings,
> Alan
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:00:09 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Danijel Turina wrote:
> What should I do, transmute them to light? ;>> ;)))))
>
why not?
the Tibetan practise of tonglen makes one take on the other's suffering
and give them in return your own happiness. The suffering is burned up in
your heart. Visualize breathing in the ick & goo and sending out on the
exhale sparkly white liberating light :).
maitri,
--dao
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:55:25 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980302195525.00978d70ATnospampop.tel.hr>
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Hi Trent! :)
At 10:25 1998.03.02 -0700, Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE wrote:
>Dear Danijel
>
> Perhaps if you did your purifying in a more private area like a
>room or even a closet. Your chances of being distrubed would be much
>less.
:))))))) ROTFL :))))))))
Having my own room would help, having my own house would be even better.
:)))))) ROTFL :)))))
>Could you please explain the terms mani-pua and GTi primitive.
Mani-pura is the solar plexus chakra, and GTi primitive is like 2.0i VTEC
16v primitive, or some other engine stuff. :)) It means primitive like uses
three lower chakras to a miserable extent, no heart or above function, anal
retentive, sexual frustration and self pity primitive. ;)))))))))))) Very,
very primitive indeed. :))) LOL :)))))
>I am not familiar with them. Also I accessed your web site but
>unfortueatly can't read your language. Do you have any of the writing
>in English.
Sorry, I don't. Just haven't got the time.
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:55:03 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
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Hi Debora! :)
At 12:00 1998.03.02 -0600, Debora A. Orf wrote:
>On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Danijel Turina wrote:
>
>> What should I do, transmute them to light? ;>> ;)))))
>>
>
>why not?
You can't be serious with this? Are you actually suggesting that I go
around fixing energy systems of the people who don't want it? It would be
criminal and stupid, not to mention the waste of time.
>the Tibetan practise of tonglen makes one take on the other's suffering
>and give them in return your own happiness. The suffering is burned up in
>your heart. Visualize breathing in the ick & goo and sending out on the
>exhale sparkly white liberating light :).
Slow, inefficient, dangerous, unpleasant - there are better techniques for
doing that.
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:17:13 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca, richardATnospamskydancer.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment?
Message-ID: <a0233819.34fb05bbATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-02 11:36:53 EST, umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca writes:
<< Richard Wentk wrote:
> Personally I don't believe there's any such thing as enlightenment.
> Certainly not in the sense of waking up one day and getting 'it', and
> everything being totally fab and groovy in a spiritual sense from then on.
Jerry wrote: I guess not. It's extreme and would require extreme conditions.
>>
Harsha kindly asks: Brother Jerry, what are extreme conditions? Does Knowing
the Self as The Core of Reality an extreme condition? Does Knowing One's Self
depend on extreme conditions or Near Death experiences etc. How could it be?
How could the Natural State depend on "Other" events or conditions. In one of
your earlier messages you said the Enlightened one faces a profound Dilemma in
terms of how to transmit his message and is a master pretender. But I say the
Sage has absolutely no Dilemma. The Sage is not a pretender nor is He deluded.
There is no confusion about the nature of right conduct. There is absolutely
no interest in psychic powers or the desire to demonstrate such. There is no
confusion about the nature of Kundalini Shakti. There is no confusion about
how to transmit the Knowledge of the Self. The Sage has very little to say but
says it clearly and precisely. He says it again and again.
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:25:22 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
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Janpa muses>
if i have said that which offends, the easiest thing to do is to forget it
was said.
i meant you no harm with this suggestion.
i am taught to view all beings as my mother. and that all beings desire
happiness. my vows forbid me from harming another being. if i were to
break that, it would not be a good thing.
tonglen is something that works for me. but then janpa is a rather simple
person too.
maybe you had better forget you knew my name.
--janpa
On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Danijel Turina wrote:
> You can't be serious with this? Are you actually suggesting that I go
> around fixing energy systems of the people who don't want it? It would be
> criminal and stupid, not to mention the waste of time.
>
> >the Tibetan practise of tonglen makes one take on the other's suffering
> >and give them in return your own happiness. The suffering is burned up in
> >your heart. Visualize breathing in the ick & goo and sending out on the
> >exhale sparkly white liberating light :).
>
> Slow, inefficient, dangerous, unpleasant - there are better techniques for
> doing that.
>
> -----
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> Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
>
--debora a. orf
--dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
"do not permit the events of your daily life to bind you, but never
withdraw yourself from them"--Zen saying
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 14:36:39 -0500
From: Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
Message-ID: <34FB0A47.C01410DATnospamconcentric.net>
Danijel Turina wrote:
> Hi Debora! :)
>
> At 12:00 1998.03.02 -0600, Debora A. Orf wrote:
> >On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Danijel Turina wrote:
> >
> >> What should I do, transmute them to light? ;>> ;)))))
> >>
> >
> >why not?
>
> >the Tibetan practise of tonglen makes one take on the other's suffering
> >and give them in return your own happiness. The suffering is burned up in
> >your heart. Visualize breathing in the ick & goo and sending out on the
> >exhale sparkly white liberating light :).
>
> Slow, inefficient, dangerous, unpleasant - there are better techniques for
> doing that.
Danijel,Please do mention them instead of only attacking the concept of "Love"
and "Compassion" in the tibetan sense they putted generations to perfect.
It's easy to destruct, harder to propose something better to replace what as
been destructed.
Antoine
--
"There is no saint without a past and no sinner without a future. Praise
everyone." -- Shri Haidakhan Babaji
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:55:22 -0500
From: tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston)
To: sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment?
Message-ID: <19980302.145534.3958.0.tgxxxATnospamjuno.com>
<<Very very true indeed. We do seem to be living in times
<where truely enlightened persons prefer to live in obscurity
<and work their salvation in little trickles of humanity than
<come as messiahs and save a full population.
Who in their right mind would want to come as a messiah when there is no
one to save? We are already saved. The only one who needs saving is
ourself, and even that isn't true on some level. The first shall be
last and the last shall be first.
Hey don't quote me on this, as I saw it but am still having to teach it
so it can sink in...
I've mastered Unenlightment, so I guess that makes me a Master at
something.
xxxtg
Master
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:55:31 -0500
From: tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston)
To: oreaATnospamerols.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Chanting ?'s-one more!
Message-ID: <19980302.145534.3958.1.tgxxxATnospamjuno.com>
On Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:10:28 -0400 "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
writes:
>I want to thank those of you who responded to my questions. Here's
>another>one...would it be unwise to chant while driving?
When I was chanting all waking hours, that included while driving. I was
on my way to work one day, a 30 minute drive, and while chanting some new
words that came to me that morning, came to an instant realization that
'I was already tHere', and everyone else, too, along with me. At that
moment, a vortex opened up to the top right of me and I was automatically
sucked into this tunnel at the speed of light, coming face to face with
mySelf, where past-present-future was all Now, and many other
realizations. It was mind-blowing to say the least. After going back &
forth through this tunnel several times (and still driving when I would
come back into my body), I still find it a miracle that I didn't crash
the car. The only reason I can think of for not crashing, is that it
must have happened in an instant of earthly time, while I was OOB for
quite a while.
Now that is my side of the story. I had a friend who chanted all the
time (including while driving), and never experienced this. He chanted
'Om Nama...". Each individual is different. Follow your own heart.
The *content* of the chant most likely may have had something to do with
my experience too. I would think that if you chanted words of peace,
this is what you would receive rather than being thrown OOB.
This is not a warning to you, as if I had to do it all again, I would do
it the same way most likely. This is just to let you know that even Self
Realization and mystical experiences can come while driving a car... not
just while meditating.
Love,
xxxtg
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 20:49:58 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
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Hi Antoine!
>> Slow, inefficient, dangerous, unpleasant - there are better techniques for
>> doing that.
>
>Danijel,Please do mention them instead of only attacking the concept of
"Love"
>and "Compassion" in the tibetan sense they putted generations to perfect.
>
>It's easy to destruct, harder to propose something better to replace what as
>been destructed.
I already did that, the first or second day of my participation here. I
gave even more detailed instructions to everyone who showed interest. If
not, that's no problem of mine. I won't force anything upon anyone. It is
just my opinion here, take it or leave it, but there is a lots of
background in it, don't worry.
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 20:50:39 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
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Hi Debora! :)
At 13:25 1998.03.02 -0600, Debora A. Orf wrote:
>
>Janpa muses>
>if i have said that which offends, the easiest thing to do is to forget it
>was said.
>
>i meant you no harm with this suggestion.
I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to hurt you in any way, and I obviously did
that. :(
>i am taught to view all beings as my mother. and that all beings desire
>happiness. my vows forbid me from harming another being. if i were to
>break that, it would not be a good thing.
It is just that the idea of working on people who don't know it, who don't
ask for it, who actually need that sort of energy - whatever I might think
of it - is horrible to me. I actually do very similar things, karmic
cleansing, on my students and other people who ask for it, but that is
completely different thing in my opinion. If someone thinks he needs
something, and I know it is not in his highest good, I will still do
nothing about it unless it is wanted.
>tonglen is something that works for me. but then janpa is a rather simple
>person too.
>
>maybe you had better forget you knew my name.
No, I won't do that, I love you. :)
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:45:17 +100
From: "frans" <fransATnospamtelebyte.nl>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re. Enlightenment & Gurus
Message-Id: <199803022042.VAA21445ATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl>
Dear List, to be honest i'm not really interested what enlightenment
is, or how an enlightened being should look like. Ok, it matters, but
not much, i can't judge them. The only thing i can do is falling in
love with (don't know better words) a guru , or not ofcourse. As i
did with my wife. And god knows i learned from her! In my early days
i was in a Gurdijeff group. I liked my teacher a lot, he felt like my
grand-dad. At the same time i was attracted to Bhagwan (Osho).
Finally i went to India. At darshan my face started trembling like
hell. I stayed cool, practising the 'be aware, don't sleep' thing
from the gurdijeff group. After that, sitting in front of him i made
a mistake. I looked into his eyes. And I was lost/gone. He must have
been talking to me for minutes, i just stared with open mouth into
his eyes, not hearing a word. I can only remember his last words ' he
said, 'be very alert, very alert!', LOL, i sure wasn't
practising anymore... Anyway without a doubt i dressed up in orange,
sentenced to answering questions about Rolls Royces ever since. When
i came back to my gurdijeff teacher he took me apart, looked at me
and said, you have to leave. One can't serve two masters. It was as
if i had been hit in the face. It took me years to see that was also
an act of love. And now, at the moment i'm falling slowly in love
with Mother Meera. Frans.
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:57:56 -0500 (EST)
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To: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 12:32:34 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Bob Trevithick <rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com>
CC: Sen Ashanka <sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com,
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Subject: Re: Enlightenment?
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Your talking about apples and oranges...if you are in union with God
what more is there? This is not a state of in and out it is a state of
consciousness that is total and unchanging. To have what you suggest
means that you enter it and leave it and it is not that way. Gloria
Bob Trevithick wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:20:39 +0100, you wrote:
>
> >This old saying does apply to all fields of activity except spiritual. The
> >spiritual
> >teacher is perfect and has attained enlightenment. There is no further
> >progress.
> >There is no knowledge beyond the absolute.
>
> Hmm. There is no further progress? I guess I'll understand if I get
> to that point. But right now I have trouble conceiving of a state
> where there is nothing left to learn, no new mysteries to challenge,
> no higher levels to aspire to. It sounds, dare I say it, boring? :-)
>
> Bob
> --
> Bob Trevithick
> rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 12:33:53 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE <vandykeATnospammss355.dm.af.mil>
CC: HeartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: powerful connections for night training
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Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE wrote:
>
> Glo
> I think it is when you are using the reply all button to answer
> someones question. You are responding to them, the kundalini list and
> the heartzen list. So you will get a minimum of two e-mails off of your
> one reply.
Gg
Yes I know that one. No this is the same thing that I wrote is copied
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 12:44:01 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: LarryN3515 <LarryN3515ATnospamaol.com>
CC: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net, owner-heartzenATnospamotto.servtech.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re:A beginner's experience
Message-ID: <34FA9B7E.190BATnospamintercomm.com>
Gloria here:
When you come into the awareness of living in the moment, totally aware
and in full witnessing, it is indeed a discovery of truth because being
is what is spiritual. That means to be totally alive to the moment,
detached from the results while consistantly continuing inside of the
process without thought. This is brought about by becoming absorbed into
the divine will stream until there is nothing but this.
LarryN3515 wrote:
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> Hi David, Larry here:
> You say it perfectly. For many years I tried to "be Spiritual", I knew the
> right words to say and the feelings behind them, however, one element was
> missing: The pure realization that God was in charge and that His Will was to
> be the governing force and that without this realization and the "fruit" that
> comes from it, I could continue to puff smoke in to the air and only convince
> others that I posessed some mystical secret.
> Now, realizing that without sincere focus and intention my spiritual path
> simply bounces around from experience to experience and produces little fruit.
> Now, what remains, is to simply observe and detach while seeking to discover
> who and what I already am. Thanks for your message.. with love Larry
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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