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Re: Chanting ?'s [ Meadowart ] Re: "unsubscribe" [ Gloria Greco
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amit p (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
> >
> I heard about Kundalini only a month back through the internet,although > i have experiencing it since the past 4 months.I had done REIKI(Japanese
> method ) LEVEL 1 with the help of a guru in 1994.since then i have been > sporadically practicing it.BuT I experienced kundalini on 4 months back
Anandajyoti> Practicing Reiki and experiencing Kundalini is good and
keeping the practice alive would foster further growth.
> >
> Things that have changed are i got a good job,work scene is better,i > have been commuting a lot,life had become more active and last but not
> least my sexual desires have augmented( I dont know whether this because > of age or kundaklini).
> other part is their was some bad news with a close relative whch led to > emotional distress.
Anandajyoti> From puberty , sexual desires are natural. Nothing wrong with
it, unless abused or misused.
Emotional distress is experienced by all due to various kinds of pain, which is
also natural. Understanding, awareness, compassion, and appropriate use of our energies,
our mind, our body and emotions, are major criteria for for everyone to
be living functionally and with happiness.
Imbalances in these areas allow us to create the disharmony and dysfunctionality in our lives.
As we sow , so we reap. Choices play a big role too.
> >
> My personal feeling is that why i experienced is that i am a very > spiritual person,i used to read holy books since the age of 19,dont
> smoke,dont drink,never indulged in any sexual activity till date,lead a > very simple life,never did and will cheat anyone, i like to serve people
> like doing reiki,massaging or many times my advice has helped guide > lots of friends who felt lost
Anandajyoti> The ideas you already have understood appears to be very
good for the foundational work, for the choices you have made
> >
> My hope from kundalini is to improve my eyesight( i have a severe > myopia),remove all fear ,remaining anger,control excessive desires,be
> more energetic and positive in life. i do not want any material gains > from kundalini ,just to heal mind and body.
If your goal is to heal the body and the mind and emotions,
I would suggest
take medical care for myopia and also do energy work on them
simultaneously. Hopefully you will be fully cured. by making appropriate choices
to make your self happy and healthy.
> Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
> >
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:56:28 +0100 From: Gloria Greco
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Hi everyone,
I listened to a very interesting Art Bell show last night, it was with a man by the name of Greg Broden. He has a book out called Awakening to
zero Point. He is a scientist who is involved with the Dead Sea Scrolls and other
ancient records found through out the world. Anyway, he says that the evolution process is creating through need new consciousness beings that
in order to survive have begun to work with spiritual principals to decode their own DNA Code. And, that 1700 years ago when the historical
records were changed, the human had lost the inner knowing that was necessary for this change.
With access to the records, they are now finding out that the ancient civilizations knew spiritual law and understood the manner in which
emotions and logic work together to develop conscousness of a higher nature. And this consciousness produced bodies that were resistant to
disease and other physical problems. In spite of not having this information however, through revealation
people are still effecting their DNA Codes. He went on to say that in 1953 when the human genetic code was found they knew of 62 DNA genes,
however what was surprising was 60% of the DNA code was unused. Because of Aids research they have found in 1995 through global blood
studies that 1% of the population now has mutated genetic DNA, using additional DNA codes. When this happens it makes them resistant to HIV ,
this is called spontaneous DNA GEne Mutation. Art asked him if he meant that in the future generations that people
would become resistant to HIV. He said, no it isn't for future generations. All of the records point to now as the time, being a very
unusual period of time in the history of the planet. What it says is that through inner knowing of spiritual law, the human is evolving right
now at a much greater pace. This spontaneous DNA Gene mutation is thought to be from application
of spiritual laws that have only been known in mystery schools. It is based on changing the immune system by regulation of thought and
emotions and what the records refer to as a state of compassion. I thought this was very interesting since those of us with full
kundalini awakening find the body practically never gets sick since it has access to increased energy constantly.
Did anyone else listen to that interview? Or are you aware of his studies or book? Gloria
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:15:47 EST From: Harsha1MTM
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In a message dated 98-03-01 02:46:33 EST, lniehausATnospamwvu.edu writes:
< In retrospect, I know that I was not experiencing any kind of anxiety induced mental breakdown which I thought at the time. It was simply God,
whoever He is or whoever you believe He/She is, giving me the answer to my question. Ironically, the answer was within the whole time. >>
Harsha writes: You are well on your way! Integrate your understanding in your
everyday life. You are the answer to Your own questions. Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:26:54 EST
From: Harsha1MTM To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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In a message dated 98-02-28 22:05:44 EST, umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca writes:
< I was reading Walt Whitman's Song (I almost typed the word sponge) of
Myself yesterday and found some 18 sections that had kind of a nondual flavor, so I excerpted them, re-arranged their order, and, well, created
a new Whitman poem. I hope HE doesn't get mad.
I exist as I am
Harsha writes: That is beautiful Jerry. Of course what other way Could One
Exist! Your rearranged Walt Whitman very nicely. I am sure he would have approved. I snipped the rest of the poem .........(looking at the farmer's
daughter and all)...although I liked reading it. Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:32:10 +100
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Hello All, first a little spam: the k-list foto gallery:
http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/we Send me a picture if you want to be there too!, or point me the way
if you have one on the web. (snail mail at the bottom)
There's remark of Gurdieff of 'sitting between 2 chairs'. It means something like there is a space between being blissfully un-aware and
blissfully aware. I am sitting between two chairs. Confusion, especially since 'k', confusion-swings. I know i have to do
something, but what? So i try, i stumble. I used to heavily rely upon Osho, but i can't visit him easily anymore. I have been visiting
Mother Meera, i like her very much. I read books, i'm on this list, i try things people here talk about, k-list guidance!! To all of you, i
love you.
Funny kundalini was not a topic Osho used to talk about, he talked about allmost anything, even used the f-word.. (Mother
Meera doesn't talk at all!) To my great surprise i found something from him on the subject last week. What he says (in my words and
humble understanding ofcourse) is something like this. He doesn't like to talk about k in general because it's very individual. The
inner space is even more individual as the outer, as many roads as individuals. General knowledge could even be harmfull. The mind can
create anything just to please the imagination. Better a living guru then a dead book, he says. Moreover there are more roads to
enlightenment then k. And it's also possible to have k and not feel it all. When there's a clear passage one wouldn't feel it, it's the
blocks in the energy that one feels. Not to worry about it... Anyway it resonated (wow) with me. The same mind that is trying to
find understanding (an easy way out) is also the source of confusion. I have found many things in common with others, but there are also
many things different. My mind is often obsessed with that. Those things different... that's ME! And still no book in the bookshop
about ME. Who am I? I hope i didn't add confusion! Frans.
Snail Mail for paper pictures: Frans Storms
priemstraat 1 6511WC Nijmegen
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:58:41 EST From: Harsha1MTM
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In a message dated 98-03-01 08:33:38 EST, fransATnospamtelebyte.nl writes:
< Funny kundalini was not a topic Osho used to talk about, he talked about allmost anything, even used the f-word.. (Mother
Meera doesn't talk at all!) To my great surprise i found something from him on the subject last week. What he says (in my words and
humble understanding ofcourse) is something like this. He doesn't like to talk about k in general because it's very individual. The
inner space is even more individual as the outer, as many roads as individuals. General knowledge could even be harmfull. The mind can
create anything just to please the imagination.
Harsha writes: That is beautifully put Frans and there is deep wisdom in that.
Frans writes: Better a living guru then a dead book, he says. Moreover there are more roads to
enlightenment then k. And it's also possible to have k and not feel it all. When there's a clear passage one wouldn't feel it, it's the
blocks in the energy that one feels.
Harsha writes: Yes. I have expressed very similar ideas on the list. And you are right about a living Guru Frans. Until you see the Living Guru in the
Heart, a living Guru is a great help. But even some Books are Alive Frans! Did you just not read words which are living (even though Osho is physically
gone). Of course a living Guru can smile when you tell him that your body physically lifted off (see Alan Perry's recent comment) as Kundalini awakened
and shot up like a Rocket and you were afraid that your head would hit the ceiling and be injured (This actually happened to me when I was 21). A living
Guru can tell you not to compare spiritual experiences with others. When two monks went to our teacher and said Harsha has an ego problem, he said how
could he; he is always falling to my feet! A living Guru can tell you that everything is allright and that you are on the right track. A living Guru can
tell you that Peace is your very nature. You are Sat-Chit-Annanda. Be it. A living Guru can be Silent.
Frans writes: Not to worry about it...
Anyway it resonated (wow) with me. The same mind that is trying to find understanding (an easy way out) is also the source of confusion.
I have found many things in common with others, but there are also many things different. My mind is often obsessed with that. Those
things different... that's ME! And still no book in the bookshop about ME. Who am I? I hope i didn't add confusion! Frans.
Harsha writes: No. You are crystal clear. God bless you. Be well. Be at peace.
Snail Mail for paper pictures: Frans Storms
priemstraat 1 6511WC Nijmegen
>>
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:13:32 EST From: Meadowart
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I've just 'unsubscribed' for the season so this will be one of my last posts on this list.
I've chanted for a few years now. This is what I have discovered. Yoga practice releases tensions from the body and allows us to be clear for
meditation. Meditation releases tensions from the mind and allows us to be receptive and open to the essence of ourselves and the present. Chanting opens
the heart and dissolves separation from others and the divine. (my experience. Others may have a different one.)
One time I had the honor of leading a group in chant as we prepared for the arrival of 84-year-old Swami Devananda Saraswati Maharaj of the Himalayas.
Having never met him before, everyone in the room was excited and full of anticipation of what he would be like and what he would say. Some were smug
about this 'guru' business and had come out of curiousity. Others were like children at Christmas, barely able to sit on their cushions until he arrived.
I began the chant and we continued with various ones for about a half an hour. I got so deeply into it myself that I didn't really notice the shift
until close to the end. I opened my eyes and everyone in the room had their eyes closed, was centered in themselves, and the energy in the space was
united and receptive. When the Swami finally came, expectations of what that would be had been dropped and people could receive what he was saying without
excess baggage. This same experience is seen in churches and temples everywhere. The group
assembles and with one voice they sing hymns or chant. They connect with one another through sound and can receive the spiritual teaching.
However, the yogic experience with chanting in Sanskrit goes to a deeper level. On the esoteric level, the sounds awaken the energy centers of the body
and allow the chanter to free up blockages they can not get to by physical or mental means. Chanting the bija mantras or 'seed sounds' as they are called,
allows an energetic shift. This can be used to clear the spirit so you can more easily work on the subtle planes, or it can be used as a healing tool in
the shamanic sense. What do I chant? These days I chant the Guyatri mantra. It is a beautiful
Sanskrit chant which, from the translation I recall, is a request to God to allow you to see clearly and walk in a true and guided way until you have
finally reached the feet of God. I read a story once where a swami in India went to a place where a holy temple had been. The temple had been destroyed
and the area overrun with various energies so that it felt impossible to return the sense of sacredness to the site. He began a continual chant of the
Guyatri. It focused and changed the vibration of the area until the whole region was transformed.
That's what it does for me on an individual level. It changes my vibration, focuses and uplifts me, returning a sense of my own 'inner temple.'
Other chants? There are numerous ones. I'm moved to chant them as they are needed in my energy system. I don't have a set group of chants, but they are
all Sanskrit. In a time of great transition, I did a lot of Kali chants. No logic to it, but in hind sight the divine aspect of the wrathful goddess who
destroys all that is no longer necessary in my life was a good choice. Many people have a bit of a hang up over diety chants, given some of our
judeo-christian roots. I was really uptight when I started years ago, demanding a full translation of every chant we did at our yoga center. My
feelings shifted over time, but I know some people take that concern very seriously. So for them, I would recommend simply chanting Om or the bija
mantras, which do not violate their beliefs in any way. How much time do I spend chanting? Depends. I'll chant for a half an hour
to two hours a few times a week. I just get down into it, seated at my piano, and don't come up for air until I'm done. I'll feel a 'completeness' and know
that it's time to stop. My family supports this process in me, not interrupting until I get up from the piano. My youngest daughter's room used
to be off the living room and she would ask me to chant her to sleep many times.
Yes I would recommend it as a general practice, but I recognize that many people don't understand the benefits. Even at the yoga center only a handful
of people really LOVED chanting and adopted it into their personal practice as well as the group practice. There are a lot of subtle benefits that happen
regardless of whether you are aware of them or not. You don't have to understand it. You gain the benefits just by doing the practice.
As a larger observation, notice how many workshops are now being offered on 'sounding', on 'freeing the inner voice', on 'shamanic healing through
toning'....These are ways of using the voice as a spiritual tool without using distinct words which may push some people's 'religion' buttons. Sound is
vibration and it shifts energy. If you don't believe in the power of vibration, check out the next California earthquake! If healing occurs with
non-specific sound, I believe it is all that much more powerful when sound is made with intention and direction.
All the best, Deb
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 11:01:39 +0100 From: Gloria Greco
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Mtzlulh wrote:
> > mtzlulhATnospamaol.com
HI, I know you are very frustrated about trying to get off. But follow
the suggestion of changing the spelling on the word, this should do it. You don't want to bring bad vibes to yourself by making other people
frustrated at you, wow those are heavy projections so just make the correction and you can go on your way.
In fact I changed the spelling for you. HOpe this helps you, it will be
ok. Gloria
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e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
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Hope you enjoy them! Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 11:04:53 +0100
From: Gloria Greco To: Meadowart
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Hi Deb, keep in touch. Our love goes with you. Gloria Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 10:57:49 +0100
From: Gloria Greco To: anandajyoti
CC: HeartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Powerful mis-connections for night training
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anandajyoti wrote: >
> > Gloria Greco wrote:
GG Thank you I will watch my mouse and see if I'm doing something that I'm
not noticing. I appreciate the input because I know everyone doesn't want to have all those words coming through. Is it possible somehow that
my program is corrupted or something also, or you just think it might be something I'm doing and not realizing it. That sounds possible. Thanks
> > > > >
> > > I wrote something once and sent it out, when it gets to the list it is copied over two or > > > three or more times over and over. How is this happening?
> > >
> Anandajyoti>This can happen in following ways: > 1. If you are using the mouse, make sure you are clicking it once only, when yiu highlight
> the send command on your menu. >
> 2. If you are using the "Enter" on your keyboard then also you have to make sure > you are only clicking it once.
> > 3. The receiving computer/ or your computer is somehow recognizing a multiple entry
> command, even though you may be using the entry command once only. >
> I am not a computer expert, but logic tells me so. >
> Anandajyoti > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
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