1998/02/27 17:38
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #155
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 155
Today's Topics: Re: info requested [ anandajyoti ]
Re: amusement [ RndmOne ] Re: Unidentified subject! [ Nancy ]
Hi [ DT0123 ] Re: amusement and History of Harsha' [ Harsh Luthar ]
Re: help? [ rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevit ] Re: amusement [ freda ]
the old man the old woman [ "Debora A. Orf" ] AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Geryl Waind ]
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:38:24 -0800 From: anandajyoti
To: Sharon Webb CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: info requested Message-ID:
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Sharon Webb wrote:
> Hi, I'm doing a (very) short article on kundalini for Eye On the > Web. If you were trying to explain to a lay person what k is in one
> sentence, >
> Anandajyoti> Kundalini is the graded manifestation of the > consummation of all energy
> already inherent in the Universe, through human experience. >
> Sharon> > I'd like to hear it. I'd also like to hear, in 25 words or less :-),
> how it affected you at its onset, or changed your life. >
> >
> Anandajyoti> > It revealed itself in various stages when felt,thought upon and acted
> on through all human experiences of the good, the bad , and the ugly, > and made me feel, understand, and know its power. It allowed me to
> examine myself in totality, in the physical, mental, emotional and > spiritual aspects, and how they all intertwine in the life's drama. No
> wrong , no right, > no high , no low, the unity behind is ever existent. The crux of the
> challenge in my life is to integrate all these aspects, in one life > experience, in spite of the mountains and valleys we experience in our
> lives, to experience each at a time and be IT and enjoy the drama in > joy.
> Sharon> > If you'd like to respond, please indicate whether or not you want your
> name used in the article. BTW, I'll be including a few URLs in the > article, but these will probably be the general info sites.
> > Anandajyoti>
> My name may be used. >
> Anandajyoti > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:39:02 PST From: "Gloria Lee"
To: shawebbATnospamyhc.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com Subject: Re: amusement
Message-ID:
>
>In a message dated 98-02-26 17:34:51 EST, shawebbATnospamyhc.edu writes: >
>< Harsha, You wrote: > >The compassionate but extremely funny Harsha writes:
> > As a professional writer, let me put on my editorial cap for a moment
and >comment on that line of yours which you use so often. You break the
cardinal >rule of writing here. You are "telling" rather than "showing."
Telling is an >assertion; showing is a demonstration. If you can show, there is no
need to >tell. Further, by "telling" you open yourself up to debate as to the
validity >of your statement. :-)
> >Harsha (Now of rather questionable compassion and problematic humor)
writes: >Thank you Sharon for pointing this out. As one who took only one course
in >english composition and fared very poorly, I must throw myself at your
mercy. >As pennance, I will forgo the big Hershey choclate bar tonight and
deprive my >self of Bannan nut Bread this weekend. I hope this is acceptable
punishment.
Gloria Lee ( decidedly unprofessional, writes recklessly to your rescue:
Harsha DEAR, your incorrigible, irresistible urge to indulge your wierd sense of humor is such a "Tragic Flaw" in an otherwise mostly harmless
being, that we can invoke the Rules of Great Literature to declare you a bonafide Tragic Hero Victim, more to be pitied than scorned. This surely
supersedes The Rules of Great Writing, which obviously do not apply to mere email, anyway. However, your Tone of Voice (another highly
problematic area of Literary Importance) seemed a teensy bit sarcastic, which does make me question the Sincerity of Your Repentance. OOPS!!
I sincerely started out to help, but such obvious failures just cannot be denied.
PS..I barely remember "show and tell" from kindergarten..are we flunking
that too???
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Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 01:39:07 EST
From: RndmOne To: fredaATnospamblarg.net, Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Cc: shawebbATnospamyhc.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: amusement
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<Harsha, can I have your candy bar?
freda>>
Can we share, Freda?!?!?! =)~ YUMMY!!!
(Laugh kids, were flunking kindergarten here!)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 06:17:16 +0000 From: Nancy
To: kundalini-1 Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
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Daniel James Giszczak wrote:
> Always trust what a person tells you before you trust RV.
> Maybe I missed the original thread, but what is RV (and I'm assuming you
don't mean recreational vehicle).
Nancy
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From: DT0123 To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Hi Message-ID:
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Hi, Linda, im one of Russells friends, and i really liked your book, Guided By
the Light. I have been trying to meditate, but it doesn't seem as though it is doing any good. But recently i have been expericenceing things happening
to me, i have been able to see things that , i know that i dont know about. it is like i know things about people, that i really shouldnt know. what is
happening to me. Sometimes i think that i am becomming, sicophranic. { sorry not a good speller} you seem to know so much, maybe you can help me
understand. Please get back to me, My name Is Della, you can get back to me at DT0123ATnospamaol.com.
Yours Truely Della Temple
P.S. HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY [ô¿ô]
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:27:05 -0500 From: Harsh Luthar
To: Gloria Lee CC: shawebbATnospamyhc.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: amusement and History of Harsha's Song Message-ID:
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Gloria Lee wrote:
> >Gloria Lee ( decidedly unprofessional, writes recklessly to your rescue:
> > Harsha DEAR.......Snip
Harsha writes: Thanks Dear Gloria for the rescue attempt! God bless you.
Your note reminded me that you had requested one of my poems (Song of my Heart-Harsha's Song) in a personal post. That song was inspired by a poem
Chitrabhanu Ji wrote in Gujrati in India back in the 1960s. It was called "Maitri Bhavnu." Chitrabhanu's Gujrati poem was recorded by Mukesh, a very
famous Indian recording vocal artist and is sung sometimes at Jain functions. Some years ago I was reading that poem in the original Gujrati
but was having a hard time understanding as my native tongue is Punjabi and Hindi. I kept trying, however, as the Indian languages have many common
words. Suddenly I understood the first stanza. It was so beautiful and filled with love and amity that I went into ecstacy. After that I thought
there should be poem capturing the same spirit in english and so I wrote the "Song of my Heart-Let this feeling never part!). Later when I spoke to
Chitrabhanu Ji, he recited to me the poem in the original Gujrati and explained the meaning. So I dedicated the Song that I wrote to him and sent
him a copy. He was very pleased as the Song is universal for all faiths and religions.. I found it on my disk again and will send it to the list again.
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:26:13 GMT From: rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevithick)
To: "Cara McCormack" Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: help? Message-ID:
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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:14:42 PST, you wrote:
> I am of course going crazy...i understand the importance of me >staying away....but...i am scared that the ...relationship...doubt will
>remain after the transit..and i am afraid..our relationship will end.... > Everything was really good before this transit....we were talking
>about moving in together...etc...we are very compatible...and love each >other tremendously...and often said how we want to be together...
>and share so much...
Hi Cara,
I don't know *anything* about astrology, in fact I sometimes irritate astronomers by calling them astrologers.. they're very touchy about
this. Go figure. :-)
But, if I may, can I recommend a wonderful book to you? It's by Richard Bach, entitled "The Bridge Across Forever." One of the
central themes is Richard's fear of closeness, constant need to get away for a while, and constant intellectualizing about life. He lived
in anguished loneliness until he met someone who finally got through to him.. and you sound very much like the lovely lady in the book who
finally taught him about love.
It's one of my all time favorite books in the world, and I recommend it to everyone.
Hope this helps. At least it will give you something fun to read
while this enforced absence is occurring.
Peace & Love, Bob
-- Bob Trevithick
rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:34:19 -0800
From: freda To: RndmOne
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: amusement
Message-ID:
> <Harsha, > can I have your candy bar?
> freda>> >
> > Can we share, Freda?!?!?! =)~ YUMMY!!!
Sure, I'll share, if Harsha will. I was thinkin' that maybe I'd like
some of that banana bread too.
> (Laugh kids, were flunking kindergarten here!)
I'm laughing, I think Harsha's humor is alive and well.
but then I think sarcasism CAN be funny, and sometimes its even better than honesty! [makes ya think! puts a twist on things]
I have a brother who shares the same "type" of humor as he. So, they aren't stand up comedians -
in order to understand the humor ya gotta read between the lines. I can't hardly tell when my brother is teasing or being funny even when
I'm in the same room with him - and I've known the boy my whole life. Is it his lack? or mine?
Different strokes for differnt folks. at least Harsha has the "compassion" to tell us when he is being funny.
I'll take him at his word. freda
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:25:03 -0600 (CST) From: "Debora A. Orf"
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: the old man the old woman
Message-ID:
winter,
old man,
do you not tire of beating
against the warmth of life?
With every rush of
wind you brush away last years
summer,
dont you know that only hastens your
own demise to Spring?
ego, old woman,
crabbing about
everything changing.
Dont you know
that every complaint of
yours hastens your demise
as you brush away yourself
to that which
lies beneath
the winter snow?
-dao 1998
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:22:43 -0500 From: Dirk_HaueterATnospamhrsoft.com (Dirk Haueter)
To: "Sharon Webb" , Subject: RE: amusement
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Dear Sharon,
I often wonder how feeling gets transmitted through writing. Harsha throws out words of emotion where the inflections of speech are unheard. Somehow to me it
is comforting. Its a personal style like the exuberant parenthesis of Danijal Sensei. Have you considered your reaction to this?
God Bless, Dirk
-----Original Message-----
From: "Sharon Webb" Sent: Friday, February 27, 1998 9:05 AM
To: Subject: re: amusement
Harsha,
You wrote:
>The compassionate but extremely funny Harsha writes:
As a professional writer, let me put on my editorial cap for a moment and comment on that line of yours which you use so often. You break the cardinal
rule of writing here. You are "telling" rather than "showing." Telling is an assertion; showing is a demonstration. If you can show, there is no need to
tell. Further, by "telling" you open yourself up to debate as to the validity of your statement.
:-)
Then you wrote:
>I do not think >condescension is a spiritual trait that everyone should nurture. I have
>reserved it exclusively for myself. But I guess I could lend some out:-).
Thank you. Appreciate the loaner. :-)
Sharon shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
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From: jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner) To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Hi, Cara,
> does anyone know anything about astrology...i am having an >astrologicallly related problem...my mate is going thru a mars transit
>in his 7th house.....he is volatile....pissy....and is saying he is
This sounds like more than a Mars transit. Remember, Mars is going to hit that house about once every two years. Sometimes people like to blame
relationship problems on the stars, when in fact it's something else. Maybe there's a basic incompatibility that has little to do with transits. Or
maybe it's even a blessing in disguise--you know, Jupiter is also transiting Pisces now.
Then again, maybe it's neither of these, but just a sort of turning
point--do you continue as a couple, or do you move on? Frankly, I'd take a look at your own chart, since you seem to be more affected by all this than
he, or so it appears from where I sit.
When it comes to relationships, I look at it this way. If we stay together, that's nice; there must be some reason, some purpose why we're here and
working together. If we split up, it might be painful, but again, there must be some reason why we're no longer working well together. Maybe its
another spiritual growth spurt. Maybe we each need to work alone for a time, and discover our own voice. Trust that all will ultimately work out
for the best good for both of you, no matter how things turn out.
Jeanne ==-* My stars!
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:12:40 PST From: "Gloria Lee"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, jeannegATnospamicon.net Subject: Re: help?/MAYBE..Cara
Message-ID:
>
> >, Cara wrote:,
> >> does anyone know anything about astrology...i am having an
>>astrologicallly related problem...my mate is going thru a mars transit >>in his 7th house.....he is volatile....pissy....and is saying he is
Jeanne wrote:
>Snip>. Sometimes people like to blame >relationship problems on the stars, when in fact it's something else.
Maybe >there's a basic incompatibility that has little to do with transits.
Or >maybe it's even a blessing in disguise--you know,
> >Then again, maybe it's neither of these, but just a sort of turning
>point--do you continue as a couple, or do you move on? >
>Wr. Maybe its >another spiritual growth spurt. Maybe we each need to work alone for a
>time, and discover our own voice. Trust that all will ultimately work out
>for the best good for both of you, no matter how things turn out. >
> Jeanne > ==-* My stars!
> >
Yikes!!! Maybe, maybe..this that and the other?? Just trust, no matter what??? Jeanne, however right you may be by guessing maybe, this Cara is
still left with NO answer..but to trust whatever happens is for the best?? Hmmm??
Since when is an "astrologically-related problem" - whatever it MAY actually *BE*....since when is it allowed to become..
an all-purpose excuse for acting pissy and telling the woman you claim to love to just leave you alone while you figure out if MAYBE you may
have a future??? Meanwhile, SHE can have an anxiety attack while waiting to find out what happens, because its HER problem she lacks TRUST??
Trust in what? Fate?? The stars?? BUT Wait, MAYBE the stars ARE CAUSING this problem ???
Que sera, sera...the future's not ours to see..catchy tune, isn't it??
MAY_ BE ignorance truly is bliss.. Maybe I should be glad I do not know anything about astrolgy....
Oh well, never mind me, sorry I ask so many questions.. Please do not bother yourself to answer them..que sera, sera..
Taking a nap, wake me when its over..
Glo
There is neither creation nor destruction,
Neither destiny nor free-will; Neither path nor achievement;
This is the final truth. -Sri Ramana Maharshi
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From: Geryl Waind To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center Message-Id:
This post is directed to partners of those going through a Kundalini
awakening. My husband Mark has been going through physical symptoms of K for about 6 months. He is experiencing energy flowing throughout his
body and it is manifesting in yogic gestures. He is in contact with a guide to help him through this. For a while, he hid these things from
me as he was afraid I would think he was crazy. He was terrified to tell me and show me but, eventually, he couldn't keep it from me. I didnt
know what to think at first but one thing I knew was that he was very sane. I have tried to be open-minded but truthfully I am having a
difficult time with this whole thing. I don't experience anything of the kind nor have I ever seen this before.
I love my husband very much and would like to be supportive but it is very difficult sometimes.
I would very much appreciate hearing from anyone with any experience of this kind. I think it would help me very much to share with others who
are "unawakened" and living with an "enlightened" one. I feel it would help me with this queasiness and fear over the whole thing and would
hopefully help me to be more supportive. Thank you, Geryl.
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:27:21 -0600 From: jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: help?/MAYBE..Cara
Message-Id:
Gloria,
>Yikes!!! Maybe, maybe..this that and the other?? Just trust, no matter
>what??? Jeanne, however right you may be by guessing maybe, this Cara is >still left with NO answer..but to trust whatever happens is for the
>best?? Hmmm??
What I said stands: Mars' orbit takes it around the solar system once every two earth-years. That's simple astronomy, learned by most kids in grade
school. If a Mars transit of this house caused so much trouble each and every transit, every relationship in the world would be on the rocks once
every two years. The other answer came from experience. Been there, done that, used the teeshirt to clean up the cat's mess. The breakup was a
blessing, even if it didn't seem so at the time. A person has a choice: to fall apart and let someone else be responsible for their happiness or lack
of it, or to take their lives into their own hands, to learn from it and go on to something better. I chose door number 2, but Cara will make her own
choices.
>Since when is an "astrologically-related problem" - whatever it MAY >actually *BE*....since when is it allowed to become..
>an all-purpose excuse for acting pissy and telling the woman you claim >to love to just leave you alone while you figure out if MAYBE you may
>have a future??? Meanwhile, SHE can have an anxiety attack while waiting
Believe it or not, jerks will be jerks even without any celestial prompting. Yes, some people use the stars as an excuse, and some also like to use
astrology as a catch-all in the blame game. I call them astro-chondriacs.
This lady was talking about a transit chart. A transit chart cannot give you definite answers to a particular question. It can only display the
TREND, and that, Gloria, must be combined with a very powerful influence: FREE WILL, something we all have. No one has to hurt someone else just
because there's a certain astrological aspect going on.
Moreover, even with a transit chart, someone saying that Mars is transiting the 7th house is pretty sparse information. Even to judge the trends well,
one would need to look at the whole chart. With a relationship, it would be best to examine both charts. No, I'm not asking for Cara to send this data:
to do such work is time consuming, and that's something in short supply around here. I answered her GENERAL question in a GENERAL way--a 7th House
Mars transit might not be at the root of her problem.
>to find out what happens, because its HER problem she lacks TRUST?? >Trust in what? Fate?? The stars?? BUT Wait, MAYBE the stars ARE CAUSING
>this problem ??? >
>Que sera, sera...the future's not ours to see..catchy tune, isn't it?? >MAY_ BE ignorance truly is bliss..
>Maybe I should be glad I do not know anything about astrolgy.... >Oh well, never mind me, sorry I ask so many questions..
>Please do not bother yourself to answer them..que sera, sera..
Maybe you should ask more of them. Might clear up your confusion about what a transit chart is--and isn't. If you want Tarot-card kinds of answers,
there's a branch of astrology that can be highly accurate, usually is, in fact, but a transit chart can't do that.
Jeanne
==-* My stars! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:19:17 EST
From: Harsha1MTM To: fredaATnospamblarg.net, RndmOneATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: amusement
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In a message dated 98-02-27 11:34:12 EST, fredaATnospamblarg.net writes:
< <Harsha, > can I have your candy bar?
> freda>> > >
> Can we share, Freda?!?!?! =)~ YUMMY!!!
Sure, I'll share, if Harsha will. I was thinkin' that maybe I'd like some of that banana bread too.
> (Laugh kids, were flunking kindergarten here!)
I'm laughing,
I think Harsha's humor is alive and well. snip....snip
Different strokes for differnt folks. at least Harsha has the "compassion" to tell us when he is being funny.
I'll take him at his word. freda
>> Harsha writes: Hi Freda and RndmOne. I am glad you are laughing. The laughter
of joy and silliness always warms my heart. In any case it is not my intention to insult anyone but e-mail is not the same as being face to face as wisely
pointed out by Dirk Haueter. And as Jack noted you have to read between the lines (because the empty space between the lines is where the meaning lies).
We have many wise people and both sincere and advanced students of yoga and meditation on this list. God bless everyone with joy in life and peace in
their Heart.
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