1998/02/25 14:11
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #151
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 151
Today's Topics:
Re: Reality Check [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net> ]
Re: Seeking Comment [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE <vandyk ]
Fwd: Re: GOD is....... [ Amarjit Singh Khalsa <amaran_73ATnospamyah ]
Re: Levitation [ "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it ]
Hello [ "Meredith Billington" <meredithgayl ]
Mideast Update #4 [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: Seeking Comment [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
[Fwd: Zen Koans maybe? (no idea whom [ Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com> ]
Re: Levitation [ Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com> ]
GREETINGS/TEST [ GLFS45DATnospamprodigy.com (RUNNING WOLF A ]
Re: Reality Check [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: Seeking Comment [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ]
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:12:57 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Reality Check
Message-ID: <34F426EA.BF82E917ATnospamerols.com>
I was just checking out said website this week. I waded through people who
give names to each of their crystals and a variety of other realities. My
conclusion was that to me, much of the "stuff" was irrelevant. Where I am
right now, I don't need it.
My motto these days is "keep your eyes on the prize." (Those of you who are
old enough will connect this line with a civil rights song of the 60's.) I
remember my driver's education teacher saying to keep our eyes on the road or
the car ahead of us because where our eyes went, the steering wheel would
follow. (Look off to the side, the car will tend to leave the road!) So, I
try to keep my eyes on *---*. Much of the rest falls away as mere distraction.
BUT...(I'm a Libra, there's always a 'but'!) But not everyone is where we
are. Some are taking their first steps of reaching out to *---*. If these
things are are working for them, helping them connect somehow, more power to
them. I agree with Angelique that there are many truths, some of which would
appear to be contradictory. It is not my place nor my need to criticize the
paths others choose, it is merely mine to choose my own.
There is something to discover about *---* wherever you choose to go, as long
as you are looking for it. IMHO.
Blessings,
Orea
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:10:50 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
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Hi Trent! :)
At 07:34 1998.02.25 -0700, Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE wrote:
>Howdy Danijel
>
>I still don't understand. Is background noise something internal or
>external. How does spiritual depth relate to this? How do you remove
>background noise.?
Brr! :)) I don't know exactly how to explain... when I know what I'm doing,
when I use something known to me - there is not enough noise anywhere to
distract me. :) However, when I'm exploring, "listening", discovering
things - that means letting subtle pranic flows show themselves, so I can
actually see the light going through them, things opening up, things like
that - I just have to open myself fully and observe, let things happen, not
act. If there is interference, like having to work or talk to people -
especially the sorts of people I interact with on a daily basis (Mordor
again..:), the flow is disturbed; then I have to work myself in for several
minutes or longer to reach that level again. I was fortunate I was doing
that work on Vesak last year, very high vibe, and it helped a lot. I don't
know if this makes things clearer...
PS Now that I think of it, it is the need to interact that disturbs me - I
meditate on a throat chakra pranic flow, and someone is all over me, wants
me to respond, wants to interact - and that is all the time; well, I simply
have to mess my systems up and talk to that person so he/she leaves me
alone, and then go in again. Things that I don't have to interact with
don't bother me. That's why I want to go to an island. ;))))
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:28:17 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Seeking Comment
Message-ID: <34F42A81.AA197FC6ATnospamerols.com>
Jeff,
So sorry about your dog's death. I have had to part with many beloved pets
over the years and it always hurts. Last spring it was our 14 year old, Old
English Sheepdog. I still shed an occasional tear over him, the sweetest dog
I have ever known.
When my mother died, I spoke with a Methodist minister I loved and respected,
and he made a comment that has stuck with me to this day: What kind of people
would we be if we *didn't* grieve for the ones who pass on?
I think you will agree it is not a pretty picture.
So, allow yourself the space to grieve, and remember the good times.
Blessings and a hug,
Orea
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:51:00 -0700
From: Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE <vandykeATnospammss355.dm.af.mil>
To: rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com,
Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE
<vandykeATnospammss355.dm.af.mil>
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
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Bob
Thanks for the heartfelt response. I am doing much better with
environmental stimulus and not letting them bother me. My wife got up
from sleeping asked me several questions, which I answered and went back
to sleep last night. Througout all of this I never came out of my
meditation.
Trent
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From: rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
To: Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com; kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
Date: Tue, Feb 24, 1998 8:51AM
On Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:21:00 -0700, you wrote:
> Do you have any suggestions for not letting the noise
>bother you. Thanks in advance for any advice you might have.
Trent,
I remember a story about, I believe it was Wayne Dwyer (sp?), who was
trying to meditate in a park or cemetery or something, and a guy
showed up and began mowing the lawn. Wayne said he went through all
kinds of stuff in his mind, like, "Can't he see I'm trying to
meditate?!"
Eventually, however, he incorporated the sound into his meditation,
and even gave the mower guy some money at the end as a thank you. He
found it was a great blessing in some way.
If anyone has actually read the excerpt in question, perhaps you could
help me out here. :-)
Robert Monroe used to say that if noises intrude, just tell yourself
that they are assisting you to go even deeper into your trance.. and
welcome them rather than resist them.
Hope this helps. If not, perhaps someone who knows what they're
talking about will come along. :-)
Bob
--
Bob Trevithick
rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:12:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Amarjit Singh Khalsa <amaran_73ATnospamyahoo.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: GOD is.......
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:53:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Amarjit Singh Khalsa <amaran_73ATnospamyahoo.com>
Subject: Re: GOD is.......
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Sat Nam!
Hi! Fellows! I am new to this mailing list so please humbly forgive me
if what I am going to share is not part of the topic but I guess it
relates.
Me and my fiancee started on the path of super-consciuosness through
K Yoga not too long ago.To my personal opinion, as a SIKH, GOD
is.............
This profound question in the mind of man will ever remain UNANSWERED
because we can only realize GOD but we cannot tell what HE is. For
example, a mute person, after tasting sugar, knows the taste, enjoys
it and expresses it through a smile. But being unable to speak , he
cannot tell a word about what sugar is like. There is NO language and
no thing available in this world which can be quoted to describe GOD!
But to my utmost experince of GOD, I will relate another example to
the question.
GOD is mentioned as Father, Mother, Protector, etc in practically
every religion in this planet. These words are used to remind us about
some of HIS virtues. GOD is the cause of our birth (creation).
Before creating humans and other living beings, GOD created the sun,
moon, water, air, plants,etc. He also created whatever was required by
the people to live comfortably. All things are a gift from GOD to us
as children are given all things free with love by their parents.
There are many other things that we have NOT YET discovered which have
been created by GOD. The earth, sun, rain, air, darkness, etc. have
been so adjusted that they produce innumerable kinds of foods for our
consumption. No scientist with all the latest technology has ever been
able to create a single grain or fruit in his laboratory. This is done
by GOD alone under HIS own laws. The mother, having a physical
existence, is visible to her children. GOD also has a physical form
and is visible to us as "Mother Nature".
When we see a mother and a baby in her lap, we know that the baby and
the mother were once ONE.i.e. the baby was a part of the mother. The
same thing can be said about us and GOD. We have been created by HIM,
we are part of HIM. We can enjoy the love of GOD and feel the peace as
well as comfort in our hearts in the same way as a baby does in the
lap of its mother. However, have you tried asking a baby to describe
the mother? Impossible..true? Once an adult, only then the baby
understands the mother and how it all happened. In the same way, when
we 'childern' grow SPIRITUALLY to be 'adults' we can understand our
MOTHER, GOD. That is the ONLY way to know GOD. As long as we are
'babies' we will never be able to know our 'mother'. Lets stop for a
while and ask this QUESTION instead. "What am I?" If we don't know who
we are, then how it is to understand GOD or know what is the feeling
of experiencing GOD!!!
-Amarjit Singh Khalsa-
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:27:39 +0100
From: "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Levitation
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Dear Antoine,
>Have any experienced levitation?
Well, during initial periods of meditation there used to be a feeling
like moving higher and higher, so high that I could fall off and hurt
myself. So would control and come back.
Later, however, when a little boldness came this feeling continued,
and then there was a feeling that I was out of the body, I was a huge
Godess, with huge arms, legs, head had just burst and there was
complete freedom, complete freedom and complete power.....
.... beautiful blissful.......pure consciousness,......
At those times one cannot say if the body had physically levitated,
or not, because the body consciousness was not present. The body
felt too small for me at that time though.....
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:38:13
From: "Meredith Billington" <meredithgayleATnospamhotmail.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Hello
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All,
I'm new to the list, and I've been curious about Kundalini for awhile.
Could any of you please tell me more about Kundalini?
Meredith
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:15:33
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Mideast Update #4
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>From: LightweaveATnospamaol.com
>Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:50:28 EST
>To: LightweaveATnospamaol.com
>Subject: Mideast Update #4
>
>Mideast Update #4
>February 25, 1998
>
>Dear Friends,
> Well...... We Did It!!! Thanks to the leadership of Marianne Williamson,
>Donald Walsh, Jimmy Twyman and James Redfield - along with that of Kofi Annan
>and with some cooperation from Bill and Saddam - it seems we have averted
what
>could have been the source of a great deal of suffering - perhaps more
than we
>suspect.
> But, again, the real heros here are the thousands who linked up in
mediation
>and consciousness work via the net, and the hundreds of thousands around the
>world; Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist and those of dozens of other
>religions who prayed for a peaceful and just resolution to this conflict.
>And We Are Grateful!
> As I mentioned in Update #3, we are entering a very decisive period.
>There is a lot of millenimum hysteria afoot. We have already seen the
>results of some of this hysteria in the past few years both in the USA and
>Europe. It is a time for us to be very clear, very focused and very decisive
>in our intent energetically to steer our planet safely through the rapids of
>these next few years. Even as a little bit of yeast can leaven a whole loaf,
>so a numerically small group of clear, focused and decisive people of
goodwill
>- working together with open hearts - can shift the energy of the planet and
>bring about positive transformation.
> This mobilization spontaneously involved several hundred large and small
>networks - on and off the internet. One friend e-mailed me and said she
shared
>the updates with her mailing list of 5,000. Perhaps the time come for us to
>loosely link our individual networks in order to consciously and collectively
>create a "First Alert Network" to respond even more swiftly and decisively in
>the future should such a need arise. Soon after I return from the Mideast on
>March 12th, I would like to share some thoughts with you on this and get your
>ideas.
> Whether this birthing process we are beginning to experience is one of hard
>contractions, pain and blood, or one of ease and the joy of a new Earth being
>birthed, may well depend on us; our consciousness and the leadership we
give -
>at whatever level - as planetary midwives.
> In January of 1997, while I was in Israel, I had an opportunity to visit
>the ruins of Megiddo - the infamous "Armageddon." While meditating there
at a
>very ancient altar, I was told very clearly by Guidance " The final battle
>at the end of the world.... Has been cancelled for lack of interest!"
> Prophecy is pretty popular these days - and frankly, I never thought I
>would "come out of the closet" with my own on the internet. But I think
it is
>too late to turn around now. If you want a one page copy of "Michael's
>Millenimum Prophecy" just let me know and I'll e-mail it to you. It's
called
>"Are You Suffering From PMT?"
> Hopefully this will be the last Mideast update you will receive. I
will be
>off of the internet from Feb. 28th until March 12th, while I am in the
Mideast
>and I won't be receiving or responding to e-mails.
> In conclusion I want to mention that I received an update yesterday on
>Jimmy Twymans travels. He is in Ireland this week and will performing a
Peace
>Concert In Belfast at noon Eastern Standard Time on Thursday, Feb. 26th. He
>is requesting our meditations, thoughts and prayers for a just and peaceful
>resolution of the long-standing conflict in this troubled area
> May your days be filled with Joy, Love, and the Light of Divine Presence,
>and may this solar eclipse herald a new day in each of our lives and the life
>of our beloved mother Gaia.
>
>Love,
>Michael Lightweaver
>Network 2012
>Asheville, NC. USA
>lightweaveATnospamaol.com
>
>(Network 2012 is an international project designed to link up "light workers"
>around the world for the purpose of improving communication and cooperation
>for positive planetary transformation. Our subscribers come from 30
countries
>and 37 states in the USA. About 45% of our subscribers are on the internet.
>For more information about Network 2012, see http://www.n2012.com).
>
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>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
-- Harry Emerson Fosdick
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:43:29
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Cc: tgxxxATnospamjuno.com, jacksonATnospamdaimler.ucs.indiana.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Comment
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Yes, like everything you see is yourself speaking back to you.. Goddess
saying "Hello! I am Here! I love You!"
Laughter is the voice of spirit... you are delightful.. your energy is
like a warm sweet breeze carrying the sound of games, birds, laughter on
the beach..
Blessings, Mystress.
At 08:57 25/02/98 EST, Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 98-02-24 22:56:47 EST, tgxxxATnospamjuno.com writes:
>
><< * There is No One Right Way.
> There is No One Right Method.
> The Rays of the Sun find everyone
> if one only comes out in the Open Space *
> As Quoted by Harsha (I loved this BTW)
> >>
>
>Harsha writes with a smile: I was quoting myself. Thanks for quoting me. I
>forget how profound I am until I read myself in print! For some reason all of
>this struck me as very funny.
>
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
-- Harry Emerson Fosdick
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:50:52 -0600
From: Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: The List <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Zen Koans maybe? (no idea whom to attribute)]
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This sort of humor always strikes me as a bit of a consciousness
"tweaker"...
Anybody else buzz to a different frequency on these?
(sorry if this is a waste of bandwidth, but you never know, eh?)
Bright giggling blessings--Delirium
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:46:27 -0600
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Before they invented drawing boards, what did they go back to?
Does the Little Mermaid wear an algebra?
How do I set my laser printer on stun?
How is it possible to have a civil war?
If all the world's a stage, where is the audience sitting?
If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?
If one synchronized swimmer drowns, do the rest have to drown too?
If the #2 pencil is the most popular, why is it still #2?
If you're born again, do you have two bellybuttons?
If you ate pasta and antipasta, would you still be hungry?
If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done?
Why are hemorrhoids called "hemorrhoids" instead of "asteroids"?
Why is it called tourist season if we can't shoot at them?
If the black box flight recorder is never damaged during a plane crash,
why
isn't the whole airplane made out of the stuff?
Why is there an expiration date on sour cream?
If most car accidents occur within five miles of home, why doesn't
everyone
just move 10 miles away?
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:45:54 -0800
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Levitation
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I levitated once, when my third eye opened.I had experienced a feeling
during the day of "expectancy", which in those days meant I was going to
have to stop and meditate later in the day because kundalini wanted to
"do something". When I did meditate, I lay down and my attention was
immediately drawn to the crown chakra. There was a beautiful,
many-petaled lotus there (an amusing picture to me because my path is
not indian in any way), and I became absorbed in watching the flow of
subtle colors through it. Then, it was as if a bolt of blue lightening
came in through my crown and out through my third eye. I had visions,
andd a feeling of incredible ecstacy...I don't know how long this
lasted, but at one point I could SEE all of the room around me, through
my shut eyes, I was everywhere in the room at once. And my body was
floating 20 inches above the bed.
I never really had big kundalini experiences after this...this event
opened up in me all of the psychic abilities (clairvoyance,
clairaudience, clairsentience, psychometry). Since then, seven years
ago, kundalini has been very quiet and peaceful in me.
Lately I am getting mail and phone calls from all over the world, as
people are reporting that I come to them at night and heal them or do
karmic intervention. I identify myself by name to them, and say that I
am a senior advisor here to help them. Some people report that I talk to
them night after night for many days, and that they are often
semi-waking during the experience. I don't remember any of this, and I
seem to be many places at once. I know that I used to do this
visitation, one-on-one, and I remember those visits. The only other
things that are different is that so much energy flows up my crown that
my hair often stands up an inch or so. And so does the hair of anyone
around me!
Morgana
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:05:19, -0500
From: GLFS45DATnospamprodigy.com (RUNNING WOLF AGEE-BRENNAN)
To: KUNDALINI-LATnospamEXECPC.COM
Subject: GREETINGS/TEST
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I have been reading the mail for months now and trying to figure out
how to post!!
Test Test Test.
Running Wolf
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:09:06 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, oreaATnospamerols.com
Subject: Re: Reality Check
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>Wow, Orea, you wrote such wisdom here, really triggered some thoughts
in me, too.
>
>I was just checking out said website this week. I waded through people
who
>give names to each of their crystals and a variety of other realities.
My
>conclusion was that to me, much of the "stuff" was irrelevant. Where I
am
>right now, I don't need it.
When I look at at all that *stuff* out there, I ask myself, "IF this may
be true, then so what? I am trying to just MMOB (mind my own business)
Anything that takes me away into the future..like all those
predictions, etc..becomes obviously irrelevant..I may not be here in
2012..or what can I do about it anyway?? hehe, IF the aliens want to
give me a message, they are gonna have to show up here in person for
breakfast.
>
>My motto these days is "keep your eyes on the prize."
Yep, I just put up the sign "Begin with the end in mind" to remind me
of this. Like a road map, if my goal is to get closer to *Divinity*..it
makes sense to follow the directions given by those who are best known
to have arrived there. So there's Buddha, Jesus, and a short list of
some assorted cosmic conscious "others." I may not yet be very
proficient at following these directions, but I'm only going to listen
to the experts for guidance.
><snip>
*---*. Much of the rest falls away as mere distraction.
LOL when I read this. Someone once said to me.."Most of what people
think life is about is just a distraction to you, isn't it?"
It was one of those *AHA* moments...what a comment, huh??
>BUT. It is not my place nor my need to criticize the
>paths others choose, it is merely mine to choose my own.
>
>There is something to discover about *---* wherever you choose to go,
as long
>as you are looking for it. IMHO.
Again, nice reminder Orea. Having been on a few detours myself, or
perhaps taking the scenic route...who knows??? People hear what they
want to hear..they listen when they are ready...whatever they ARE doing
seems the best they know to do for now..and that includes me, too. GG is
sure right about that "experience Life as the teacher".It has a way of
presenting just what we need to learn..and trusting that
*that* is what is happening has helped me to relax with the process.
Thanks Orea..(pinning on your *Teacher of the Day* nametag) Smile!
Love this list... Gloria Lee
>
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:47:01 -0800
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
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Subject: Re: Seeking Comment
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Jeff, Orea,
Grieving is a profound experience that opens the soul to the higher power
of God. I am in the process of this grief for my husband who passed away in
January. It is a very difficult process to go through - having been
together for thirty-eight years. I know all those tears I've shed has to
have a meaning, perhaps it is washing away all the pain.
I understand "going home" and I am happy for him, as now he has no more
pain. I feel that he is around frequently, but missing the physical person
he was is very difficult. Grieving is for those left on this plane of
existence, those who have left are not grieving. They are happy,
progressing and full of love.
It is a natural process to go through, and whether it is a person or an
animal, it doesn't matter, for it is the love we have for them. Love does
not stop at this point, it continues on - but the pain and grief of losing
them does diminish in time. Love is not the same as detachment, we can
love many people in different ways... but nevertheless - it is still love.
We grieve for them, but this has nothing to do with attachment...
About pets: It has taken me a long time to completely 'get over' the death
of three of my beloved pets, making the decision to put them down is a very
difficult thing to do. But... would you have them suffer? It is far better
that they be allowed the same dignity that we give to humans... celebrate
the life of these wonderful pets, and know that they appreciated your
kindness in allowing them to go, and they understood your love for them in
doing so.
Love dor
At 10:28 AM 2/25/98 -0400, Orea de Sa' Hana wrote:
>Jeff,
>
>So sorry about your dog's death. I have had to part with many beloved pets
>over the years and it always hurts. Last spring it was our 14 year old, Old
>English Sheepdog. I still shed an occasional tear over him, the sweetest dog
>I have ever known.
>
>When my mother died, I spoke with a Methodist minister I loved and respected,
>and he made a comment that has stuck with me to this day: What kind of
people
>would we be if we *didn't* grieve for the ones who pass on?
>
>I think you will agree it is not a pretty picture.
>
>So, allow yourself the space to grieve, and remember the good times.
>
>Blessings and a hug,
>
>Orea
>
>
>
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