1998/02/25 08:09
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #150
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 150
Today's Topics:
Re: Reality Check [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
re: Seeking Comment [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
Re: Reality Check [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
fluffy thinking [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Re: Reality Check, Richard [ nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net> ]
Re:seeking comment [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Re: Reality Check [ tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston) ]
Re: Seeking Comment [ tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston) ]
Re: Indigo childern [ RC <almidasATnospamemirates.net.ae> ]
WITHIN [ Geryl and Mark Waind <gandm.waindATnospams ]
Curious ... [ Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re. Reality Check [ AfperryATnospamaol.com ]
Thank You [ nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net> ]
Levitation [ AfperryATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Seeking Comment [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE <vandyk ]
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:19:53 EST
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: terATnospamtechnosophy.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Reality Check
Message-ID: <802184de.34f355b3ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-02-24 11:32:10 EST, PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com writes:
<< Those of you firmly implanted on a traditional path have lineage,
scriptures,
doctrine, and leaders to look to for guidance. Not having found one that
seems completely right for me, I guess I´m at the mercy of Hollywood script
writers for awhile. (Just kidding.) But seriously, I would appreciate
guidance from anyone who would share their own criteria for discernment and
what they would recommend for someone like me who is not very alert to the
subtle realm, who is prone to insert her own imaginings, and who only pays
attention to the really dramatic things like uncanny synchronicity and
physical kundalini manifestations.
Sorry this was so long,
Peg
>>
Harsha writes: You raised some excellent points. It shows your potential for a
deeper understanding. In order to be a Yogi or to walk the spiritual path is
it required that one give up one's common sense and rational thinking? it
certainly does not. I started my spiritual practices 34 years ago at the age
of 7. I have seen all kinds of gimmics, tricks, and confusion which pass for
spirituality. Things are not always what they seem. Sometimes spiritual
novices pass for Gurus and people who lack balance claim to be Avatars. The
best protection a spiritual aspirant has is his/her own sincerity and purity
and maturity. It allows one to quickly separate the genuine from the not so
genuine.
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:27:22 -0600 (CST)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: Seeking Comment
Message-Id: <199802242127.PAA10678ATnospamdfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com>
I've lost many friends and my mom but the loss of a particular cat some
years ago was among the worst. I hadn't been given to thinking this
way before but he did seem to incarnate some kind of protective spirit
for me that was irreplacable (I'd like to deepen my trust in protective
agents I cannot see). I believe that we're human as well as spirit and
we are meant to have fierce attachments, but I've also learned a
tremendous amount from my losses. Sometimes it seems that mourning
catapults me down the spiritual road far more effectively than ecstasy.
Mourning always takes far, far longer than I think it ought to and
teaches me everything about surrender. Be patient with yourself.
Holly
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:42:27 EST
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: richardATnospamskydancer.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: terATnospamtechnosophy.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Reality Check
Message-ID: <9c6dab8b.34f36932ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-02-24 15:19:42 EST, richardATnospamskydancer.com writes:
<< So how much of the more extreme New Age credo (most of which appears on
Spiritweb at http://www.spiritweb.org, just in case anyone wants to take a
look) is actually just fluffy ungrounded thinking? And how much is genuine?
And what if some of its energetically effective but 'literally' BS?
>>
Harsha writes: Without picking on any tradition, sect or website, I think you
ask a blunt question which deserves a clear answer. But who will give it? Who
can give it? It goes to the heart of the question of what constitutes the
spiritual path. How you conceptualize the spiritual path depends on what You
Seek. For those who seek the Reality that is at the Core of their Own Being,
which shines with Its Own Splendor, it is difficult to feel satisfied with
anything less than that. How can the false glamor and lights along with
physical and psychic experiences commonly associated with the spiritual path
have any sway over aspirants who seek Self-Realization or God Realization.
They are the true gems of this earth. Their immaculate vision and purity keep
the ancient traditions alive.
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:53:32 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: fluffy thinking
Message-ID: <19980225005333.22166.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Hi Richard!!!
You wrote:
to take a
look) is actually just fluffy ungrounded thinking? And how much
is genuine?
And what if some of its energetically effective but 'literally'
BS?
I do wonder just how amenable some of these people are to really
helping
people outside of that rather artificial workshop situation -
you know,
those moments where you're ill or your car breaks down and you
need some
genuine support that isn't going to ask you 'Hmmm - so what did
you do to
create THIS reality for yourself?' Or worse still refuses to
associate
with you because your car broke down which means that obviously
you haven't
done your manifestation lessons properly yet.
But perhaps I'm being unkind?
No answers. Just questions. :(
Oh Richard!!!! Welcome to the land of the grown ups (as if you didnt
know you were there already...giggle)...who havent misplaced their
brains, retained their childlike heart, and arent afraid to ask hard
questions.
Quoting a channeled entity, Kryon, 'It is human nature to see patterns
where there are none.' No matter where that statement comes from its the
best!
To your above questions I employ my Reality Test...does whatever it is I
have become enamored of produce results in my life...and especially the
results I want? Any thing else is just mental masturbation. It feels
real good, looks dumb, and I dont have much to show for it afterwards
except a warm feeling that goes away. I am an expert...anybody else who
is raise their hands... :)))
And I am all for play....I am not a party pooper by any means. But what
you stated above is often used as a guilty stick with which people in
new age circles beat themselves and each other up with.
Another one of my favorite quotes...'All life is meaningless....
except for the meaning I give to it.'
Fortunately Spirit is kind and benevolent sometimes...and honors the
intent of our hearts even if we have the directions upside down.
Much love Richard!
Susan
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:05:20 -0500
From: nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Reality Check, Richard
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980224200413.006a3f5cATnospammailgate.tcon.net>
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Hi Richard,
>(first part snipped)
>Problem - the planets are doing nothing of the sort. They're mostly piled
>into Aquarius, with the rest spread out here and there. No cross. No heart
>chakra position for the earth. Sorry, but it just ain't so. Not even if you
>cheat and include the major asteroids and the Galactic Centre.
The planets move as God intends them to move, nothing more, nothing less.
If your instructor believes otherwise, that's her/his problem. God would
certainly know what kind of an effects moving planets around would cause.
: ) It is his universe after all.
>So what do you do? In the end I decided that if people want to meditate for
>healing that's cool with me, and I'm not going to rain on the parade by
>explaining they're not doing it for the reasons they think they are.
What's wrong with a challenge? Perhaps this is your que to state your
truth as you know it. There are many truths in life, but I don't have to
agree with everyone I meet. And many times I don't.
>
>But it's still an issue. This person, for example, is very into Earth
>energies and alignments with the Great Pyramid and the whole shebang. So -
>she can lead a meditation. Does that mean I have to believe all this other
>stuff about dolphins from the Pleiades and the various High Cosmic PoohBahs
>too?
Sounds like you are questioning whether you are in the right place.
Nothing wrong with that. If you are starting to feel uncomfortable with
the teachings, then perhaps its time for a change. People change churches
all the time, people's needs change in what they want to know and learn.
Why should you be any different? Besides, just because you rock the boat a
little, doesn't mean you will drowned. : ) (ggg--that's a giggle)
>
>So how much of the more extreme New Age credo (most of which appears on
>Spiritweb at http://www.spiritweb.org, just in case anyone wants to take a
>look) is actually just fluffy ungrounded thinking? And how much is genuine?
>And what if some of its energetically effective but 'literally' BS?
Trust your own judgement and reasoning powers. You don't have to believe
everything you hear and see. Just because someone else says it's true
doesn't make it so. Your heart, mind, soul, and common sense should all be
used.
>I do wonder just how amenable some of these people are to really helping
>people outside of that rather artificial workshop situation - you know,
>those moments where you're ill or your car breaks down and you need some
>genuine support that isn't going to ask you 'Hmmm - so what did you do to
>create THIS reality for yourself?' Or worse still refuses to associate
>with you because your car broke down which means that obviously you
haven't done your manifestation lessons properly yet.
Nonsense. We live in an earthly environment, subject to earthly nature.
Mechanical things break down. A body becomes ill for a variety of reasons.
Some can be real lessons and transformations. At other times, I think it
just makes one appreciate good health a bit more. : )
Be kind to yourself Richard. If the teachings make you uncomfortable then
find a new teacher. Ask yourself what it is that you need and pray or
meditate on finding a teacher you are comfortable with.
Love and Light,
Sherry
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:16:47 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re:seeking comment
Message-ID: <19980225011658.19463.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Dear Jeff,
First, Jeff, my heart felt love for you and the passing of your friend.
I really think that animals can be our soul mates too.
I wonder if anything compares with a love between a person and their
dog...it is a wonderful thing to behold. If only more people loved each
other as dogs loved their people. The best examples I have seen of
unconditional love often come from our canine friends.
You write:
Greetings,
I've had a weird few weeks. It began with my dog producing great
quantities of saliva and refusing to eat or drink. Off to the
vet.
Sometimes this is seen with products that have anticholinergic agents in
them...the most common around the home are insecticides.
After a week of antibiotics with no result, off to the animal
hospital. At this point, I started getting a stiff neck. My dog
came back a few days later and seemed to be his old happy self.
He had some kind of genetic predisposition to spinal disc
atrophy,
and was medicated with methocarbamol and prednisone.
You didnt say how old he was...if he was pretty old...you will typically
find this in aging animals...just depends which area of the spine it is.
My stiff neck got worse. I spent a happy last week with my dog.
But then his saliva started flowing again. I sequestered him,
thinking
maybe it was some kind of allergy, only to find him in seizures
when
I checked in on him. One last day at the vet, and I had him put
down.
He died in my arms.
You did what you thought was best for you and him. He trusted you to
know that....it was a good decision. Be at peace with it and him.
He is as close as your heart. Tune in and you will always find him
there.
I thought that I had a handle on non-attachment. I let money and
material pass through my life with no problems. But when he
died...
It's been three weeks and I still well up with tears when I
think too
much about him. In a way, this note is an attempt to get rid of
some
of this. I have never in my life, even upon the death of close
relatives,
experienced such a gaping pit in my stomach.
Be kind to yourself and let your tears flow so you can grieve for your
friend. Did anyone live as close by your side never questioning his love
for you or your love for him? Humans have emotions for a reason...gives
life richness and texture. They are a good thing.
I am pretty much OK now. What bothers me is the idea of
non-attachment
now. As I said, I thought I had achieved it, but it appears to
be
just an intellectual achievement. Because, confronted with
something
as everyday as loss of a pet, I was devastated. Is there a
distinction
between this kind of loss and attachment to things? Also, I
thought
the circumstances of this story quite odd and I wondered what
some
of you list members might have to say.
Again, this is not an everyday loss or the loss of a thing. He was/is
your friend.
Peace to you Jeff.
Much love,
Susan
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:20:55 -0500
From: tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston)
To: richardATnospamskydancer.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Reality Check
Message-ID: <19980224.222056.16078.1.tgxxxATnospamjuno.com>
Richard...
You asked 'am I being unkind'??
nahhh... I remember thinking that exact thing when I was involved with a
group(s) and all that love and peace or crystals and dolphins, etc. etc.
was just waaay too much for me to handle. It seemed so silly to me. It
wasn't silly. It just wasn't my bag. Nothing wrong with that. We have
our preferences, our likes and dislikes. Some of the things I used to
enjoy doing, I no longer enjoy. Been there-done that. Doesn't mean its
wrong. Just wrong for me at this time. I will ask myself if I am being
open- minded. I tell myself that I am willing to look at this
differently. If I know I have opened my mind, and I still don't prefer
something, it's ok. I can't stand cheese and as much as I have looked
at it differently and opened my mind to it, cause I know how much joy it
brings to some people, it still smells to me and tastes like crap (well
except of course on Pizza). And hey, I could look into my past lives for
the reasoning to why I dislike cheese, but who really cares?
You are on a journey to discover who YOU are, your likes, your
preferences.... Not who someone else is or what others like or dislike.
And as you chip away all these dislikes from yourself, not only
externally but internally too, you become more beautiful every moment.
Who you are and who you are becoming, and honouring that without
judgement, is a beautiful thing. (just as you would honour another
without judgement for who they are).
In the end (like I would REALLY know... LOL), all of it is probably a
bunch of B-S. Fertilizer to help you grow into who you are. Only the
love is real. So what is love?.... and of course I am talking about
unconditional love ... but pure acceptance of what is. (and is not?)
I know when I am out of peace with someone or some situation, and I
FINALLY remember that I have a choice these days to be in or out of
peace, that I will choose peace. And with that peace, comes total
acceptance of the person and/or situation. And acceptance of my own
Self.
Then again, this could be all B-S too for all I know.
Thumbs up to yours & Peg's questioning,
xxxtg
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:58:15 -0500
From: tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston)
To: jacksonATnospamdaimler.ucs.indiana.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Comment
Message-ID: <19980224.225816.16078.2.tgxxxATnospamjuno.com>
Jeff Jackson wrote... < Is there a distinction between this kind of loss
and attachment to things?>>
Jeff... this used to confuse me too. We are these beautiful loving
beings - we feel, we touch, we love.... And we are supposed to remain
detached from this? Bull.
I may be wrong here (so shoot me)... but how I see it now from my
unlimited limited perspective is that the detachment is to the outcome of
a situation. A more futuristic detachment. (the outcome is in the
future). If you knew your dog was dying and you felt sad about his
upcoming death, then that would be something you want to detach from.
That sadness could possibly keep you from enjoying each and every moment
you have left with your loved one.
You are feeling sad in the moment for your loss and the piece of your
life that is missing. Dadgumit, Jeff... that is where you are supposed
to be!
There is a story in the bible about Jesus crying with Lazurus' sisters
when Jesus heard Lazarus had died. He mourned his death. He didn't deny
it. Then of course, he raised him from the dead. Now I can't tell you
what THAT is about. But I can guess from the way I see it now. (of
course symbolically)..... There will come a time when you will say, 'ok,
enough grieving... I'm ready now for peace and oneness to come to me once
again.' And at that time, you will choose peace. And it will come.
Lots of Love to you,
xxxtg
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There is No One Right Method.
The Rays of the Sun find everyone
if one only comes out in the Open Space *
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:25:11 +0400
From: RC <almidasATnospamemirates.net.ae>
To: onarresATnospaminreach.com
Cc: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
Subject: Re: Indigo childern
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980225052511.00684c40ATnospamemirates.net.ae>
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At 09:48 AM 2/24/98 -0800, you wrote:
> Hi,
>
>You might want to check out Gordon Michael Scallion's website at
>http://www.ecrnews.com he has written a book "Notes From The Cosmos" in
>which he details the information regarding these children, albeit he calls
>them Children of the Blue Ray. Should you need more information regarding
>these children, I can tell you what I know about them, contact me directly.
> Your welcome dor
>
>
>At 03:40 PM 2/24/98 +0500, Peswani wrote:
>> Some times back there was some information on this list about
>>Indigo childern. Please help me to get all the information on this
>>subject as early as possible. Also if any special care this child may
>>require.
>>thanks
>>shahanshah
Dear Sir / Madam
With sincere appreciation for your prompt communiction and suggestion, I
visited the recommended site " http://www.ecrnews.com " - and PROMTLY
ordered the book "Notes From The Cosmos"
As you kindly suggest, "Should you need more information regarding
these children, I can tell you what I know about them, contact me directly."
I shall be profoundly obliged to you - if you can send me all the information
about these children.
With sincere appreciation
and kindest regards
Ram Chandiramani
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 01:21:12 -0800
From: Geryl and Mark Waind <gandm.waindATnospamsympatico.ca>
To: Esnshl4meATnospamaol.com
CC: cmwATnospamcgocable.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: WITHIN
Message-ID: <34F3E288.5F35ATnospamsympatico.ca>
Esnshl4meATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> Christina wrote:
> >>And the Zen master, smiling, replied, "That is right. Like this cup, your
> mind is too full. Empty your cup and then come back for the teaching.
> Perhaps then you will have room to receive the truth."<<
>
> Yes, one of the times appropriate for an empty, silent mind. Although I've
> also temporarily misplaced my mind when I needed it for material matters, so I
> know I don't want to lose it entirely :)
>
> >>All the answers that I need come from deep within as a silent whisper and
> not
> the racket between my ears.
> If someone would like to share their understanding of those whispers, I
> be more than happy to share mine. I am not interested in intellectual
> diatribes. Let hearts touch through cyber-space because where hearts
> are concerned, there is no separation. <<
>
> >From the heart:
> Sometimes the answer comes as a whisper that I hear within; sometimes it
> guides my hand as I write in my journal; sometimes the answer comes as a
> feeling.
> The answer is always Love. The operative word is always "within."
> Answers arrive with a quiet mind, less about understanding than about knowing
> the experience, embracing it. Knowing the answers lie waiting in my Highest
> Self, waiting to be recognized as Love, as God, as Me. We're all the same.
>
> Love,
> Cher
________
Christina & Cher:
Lovely words from two loving hearts!
Within
Within is the river which carries me home.
Within is the love that I always have known.
Within is the dream which I realize each day.
Within are the eyes which reflect what I say.
All is within which without I would be lost!
Peace to All!
Mark
Ge da
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 01:51:20 -0500
From: Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Curious ...
Message-ID: <34F3BF68.15CA3922ATnospamconcentric.net>
Hello to all,
I wonder if any off you have info on:
Chakras starting to beat like a drummer beats on you, frequency range around 10
to 20 times a second? It's not like the sine wave, skin at the place of the
chakra moves like the magnet in a speaker.
Does anyone knows a link between those kind of very strong vibration and
earthquakes vibrations?
Have any experienced levitation?
I would be interested in any comments or references.
Thank you in advance,
Antoine
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:51:38 EST
From: AfperryATnospamaol.com
To: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re. Reality Check
Message-ID: <6f6d769f.34f3f7bdATnospamaol.com>
Dear Peg,
I loved reading your posting as you so eloquently articulated my own feelings
about much of the so-called New Age! But I feel you also answered your own
question eventually - each of us has to feel whether we resonate with
whoever/whatever we come in contact with, however well-meaning they may be,
and if we do not feel comfortable then that's our exit ticket. That feeling or
untuition within us is our best guidance, the voice of God, conscience, our
inner 'guru', and there can be no better guide to tune in to!
IMHO, we each have a path to follow and despite obvious commonalities, that
path is not only literally unique but also entirely an inner and subjective
experience. The externals that we meet/study/meditate with, etc. etc. are
merely tools to help us on our inner journey, and if we feel uncomfortable
with them, then that is God's way of moving us away and back towards where we
should be. There is no judgment or criticism in this, just a recognition of
our deeper spiritual needs.
Who was it who once said "Follow your bliss": sounds excellent advice (if used
with common sense!).
With blessings,
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 06:02:02 -0500
From: nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Thank You
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980224205450.006a0d28ATnospammailgate.tcon.net>
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Hi to All,
I just wanted to say thank you to all of you for sharing your life
experiences with me. I need to spend more time with my family and more
time in meditation. Which means, less time on the computer. Feel free to
write me personally if you like, or if you are a shy person who is
uncomfortable talking to a large group of people, I would enjoy hearing
from you. : )
Love, Light & Laughter,
Sherry
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 06:26:56 EST
From: AfperryATnospamaol.com
To: acarreATnospamconcentric.net
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Levitation
Message-ID: <64a8839d.34f40002ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Antoine,
>Have any experienced levitation?
Yes, I experienced this a couple of times in the early days of my K awakening.
What would happen is that my eye balls would start to turn in their sockets
and this was the trigger or key for spontaneous K. manifestations including
visions, etheric sight, etc. and on two occasions, I started to lift off my
chair physically. I just felt as though I was getting lighter and lighter and
gravity could no longer hold me down! Not being prepared for the experience, I
fought it and managed to overcome it before I had risen too far, and this has
never re-occurred (which is a shame as I would really enjoy it now! )
I believe that what I experienced was the result of K activity at the throat
chakra level. I would be interested to hear from others who have experience of
this, or of the eye balls turning routine (which is fine when you're
meditating but not so hot when you're eating dinner with your in-laws :-))
With blessings,
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:57:37 EST
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: tgxxxATnospamjuno.com, jacksonATnospamdaimler.ucs.indiana.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Comment
Message-ID: <6f6dc6a3.34f42353ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-02-24 22:56:47 EST, tgxxxATnospamjuno.com writes:
<< * There is No One Right Way.
There is No One Right Method.
The Rays of the Sun find everyone
if one only comes out in the Open Space *
As Quoted by Harsha (I loved this BTW)
>>
Harsha writes with a smile: I was quoting myself. Thanks for quoting me. I
forget how profound I am until I read myself in print! For some reason all of
this struck me as very funny.
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:34:00 -0700
From: Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE <vandykeATnospammss355.dm.af.mil>
To: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
Message-Id: <199802251441.IAA09230ATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Howdy Danijel
I still don't understand. Is background noise something internal or
external. How does spiritual depth relate to this? How do you remove
background noise.?
thanx Trent
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From: Danijel Turina
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
Date: Tue, Feb 24, 1998 9:01AM
Hi Trent! :)
Actually it is quite simple; there is a difference between the internal
spiritual depth and the level of power/insight available through the
physical body. To sharpen that, one has to remove the background noise
in
order to purify the very subtle flows. That is the level of the
manifestation. Spiritual depth is a completely different thing. Right
now,
it is several orders of magnitude easier for me to actually _do_
something
than it would be to describe what I actually did - and that is what I
call
"disalignment", for instance if I had all of that cleared, and I could
use
all the resources available... brrr. :))))) For that, I would have to
"test
drive" some things and it would be quite some fireworks. :)
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At 08:21 1998.02.24 -0700, Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE wrote:
>Dear Danijel
>
> Hi, my name is Trent. I'm on the Hearzen list and have been
>working with Gloria a short while. Actually known her for much longer.
>I don't understand you. Does noise and environment bother you when you
>are working on yourself spiritually or not. Below is a clipping where
>you talk about "background noise". But later on in the post you
mention
>working spiritually in a noisy bar-like atmosphere. But then again at
>the end of the post you mention background noise bothering you ( I
>marked the spot below with three asterisks). Is this background noise
>you mention different from environmental noise? I personally have
>trouble with meditating in a noisy environment. I don't even like
going
>out to crowded or boisterous places. I prefer silence and a peacefull
>enviroment to live in and meditate in. I am working on myself in this
>regards however. Do you have any suggestions for not letting the noise
>bother you. Thanks in advance for any advice you might have.
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