1998/02/24 16:21
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #149
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 149
Today's Topics:
Re: 2nd Poll: K vs Prana, pleasure c [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ]
mini poll [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ]
indigo children [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Seeking Comment [ Jeff Jackson <jacksonATnospamdaimler.ucs.i ]
Re: HRTZEN: the god question. [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Seeking Comment [ rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevit ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: Seeking Comment [ celesteATnospamridgenet.net ]
Re: Seeking Comment [ Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.co ]
Re: 2nd Poll: K vs Prana, pleasure c [ Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.co ]
Re: Reality Check [ Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.co ]
Re: Reality Check [ rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevit ]
RE: YOGIC PHENOMENA [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: Seeking Comment (FWD) [ Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co. ]
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:31:09 EST
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 2nd Poll: K vs Prana, pleasure centers
Message-ID: <b7638b2.34f311efATnospamaol.com>
Dear Marsha,
I went through very mild menopause heat flashes in 1993. They were never
strong enough to make me perspire. All symptoms ended about 6 mo. later.
The heat I feel from K (began Sept. 96 age 55) are more severe but somewhat
similar in sensation. At first I felt damp or drenched in heat. I always
felt it curative/cleansing, however.
The heat also seems to accompany more powerful sensations such as locomotive
type waves overtaking me or being surrounded by a large pleasure field or
drowning in ecstasy or bliss or a comet-like powerful brain surge.
As far as men are concerned both Krishnamurti and of course Gopi Krishna write
of experiencing heat.
Although I get daily shivers up my spine (K?) wich explode pleasurably in the
brain, often making me yelp, the Extraordinary waves (prana?) are never
centered in my spine. They seem to go directly from perineum to brain,
Sometimes I feel wave sensations and some tension in chakra areas in the
front of my body.
I call the "chakras" pleasure centers rather than knots. (Work it out!).
Heresy I suppose!
Love, Hillary
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:34:38 EST
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: mini poll
Message-ID: <539b1834.34f312c0ATnospamaol.com>
Dear list,
Do you want to do a follow up poll on meditation?
1. What form of meditation do you practice (TM, individual, etc.)
2. Do you have a teacher
3 Do you practice breathing techniques (deep, shallow etc)
4 Does your tongue ever cleve to the roof of your mouth
Still trying to find out what hit me! and why!
Love, Hillary
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:08:23 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: indigo children
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The first reference, I believe was brought by Ruth with some comment by
Morganna. Ruth heard about it thru the Kryon channelings.
You can look those up in Reference.com. Mystress just published about
that site a few postings ago. Its where the k list is archived.
Love,
Susan
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:29:34 -0500
From: Jeff Jackson <jacksonATnospamdaimler.ucs.indiana.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Seeking Comment
Message-Id: <199802241929.OAA00251ATnospamdaimler.ucs.indiana.edu>
Greetings,
I've had a weird few weeks. It began with my dog producing great
quantities of saliva and refusing to eat or drink. Off to the vet.
After a week of antibiotics with no result, off to the animal
hospital. At this point, I started getting a stiff neck. My dog
came back a few days later and seemed to be his old happy self.
He had some kind of genetic predisposition to spinal disc atrophy,
and was medicated with methocarbamol and prednisone.
My stiff neck got worse. I spent a happy last week with my dog.
But then his saliva started flowing again. I sequestered him, thinking
maybe it was some kind of allergy, only to find him in seizures when
I checked in on him. One last day at the vet, and I had him put down.
He died in my arms.
I thought that I had a handle on non-attachment. I let money and
material pass through my life with no problems. But when he died...
It's been three weeks and I still well up with tears when I think too
much about him. In a way, this note is an attempt to get rid of some
of this. I have never in my life, even upon the death of close relatives,
experienced such a gaping pit in my stomach.
The next morning I woke up with my right arm numb to my fingertips.
And the pain! Ow! I gritted my teeth through it all day and finally
decided that I needed help. Off to the emergency room. I was given
methocarbamol and prednisone for a pinched nerve between the 6th
and 7th vertebra. Even though they may have theraputic effects, they
sure did nothing for the pain. I spent the next two weeks just trying
to tolerate the passing of minutes. I started seeing a Chiropractor,
and the pain has reduced to tolerable.
I am pretty much OK now. What bothers me is the idea of non-attachment
now. As I said, I thought I had achieved it, but it appears to be
just an intellectual achievement. Because, confronted with something
as everyday as loss of a pet, I was devastated. Is there a distinction
between this kind of loss and attachment to things? Also, I thought
the circumstances of this story quite odd and I wondered what some
of you list members might have to say.
Later,
Jeff Jackson
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:38:25 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Bob Trevithick <rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: the god question.
Message-ID: <34F29510.214AATnospamintercomm.com>
Bob Trevithick wrote:
>
> On Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:19:02 -0600 (CST), you wrote:
>
> >what did you surrender too? how does it fit your paradign? is it a higher
> >awareness of dependent orgination? Did you fade into awakened rigpa?
>
> Debora,
>
> Warning: possible lengthy rambling coming up. :-)
>
> As you may know, I'm new to the list.. and have been wrestling with
> similar issues. Who/what is God? What am I surrendering to?
>
> I've found that there is my ego, and then there is something else.
> I'm not sure what the something else is, but it comes through for me
> in the pinch. It supports me when the ego betrays me.
>
> I was once lying in bed, heartbroken over the fact that my two best
> friends had just abandoned me.. had fallen in love with each other,
> and had no more time in their life for me. I was in agony. I had
> loved this woman, and I had worked with the guy for years and we had
> come to love each other as well. I didn't know what to do, and was so
> desperately miserable that I said out loud "I can't handle this. I
> simply can't deal with it. Please help me, someone!" The pain
> immediately eased, and I found myself feeling peaceful and detached,
> and I went to sleep for the first time in days.
>
> Who helped me? What happened? I don't really know.. but something
> far more than just me took over and healed the pain.
>
> At the time, I thought of this as my "higher self".. the part of me
> that is operating outside of this time/space illusion. Or perhaps a
> "guide" or "helper" or "angel."
>
> I was reminded of Robert Monroe's experiences. He was an accomplished
> Out of Body traveler, and he wrote that after years of flying around
> and exploring the world, the moon, the planets, he got bored. He said
> that this probably sounds odd, but such things can get old after a
> while. There was something missing. So, one day, while out of body,
> he just decided to surrender control.. and that's when it all started
> really happening for him. Suddenly he was meeting beings who were
> willing to teach him and guide him and help him. The boredom ended,
> and an exciting new adventure opened up.
>
> He worked with many beings who turned out to be past and future
> versions of himself.. helping and being helped by them. He got in
> touch with his higher self. He traveled to his home.. the place he
> had lived before coming here to earth. He still didn't know God, so
> he went searching for Him. He nearly died in the process, but he
> found an area which he called "the gathering." It seemed to be a
> place where groups congregated while waiting for the rest of their
> particular soul group to complete their earthly experiences. He
> watched as other groups of the same sort got together, and when all
> members were finally there, these groups would just "wink out."
>
> Where they winked out too seemed to be a special area that was not
> accessible to those who still had physical bodies. It was, he was
> told, an area where those soul groups returned to their creator
> bringing the gifts of their experiences of many lifetimes.
>
> When he returned from this exploration, his higher self immediately
> told him to get back into his body.. quickly! It was becoming cold,
> and the heart had almost stopped beating completely. He entered his
> body and got it running again.. but came very close to losing it.
>
> So my take from all of this, is that God sends out parts of Himself to
> learn and experience. We do this in groups, and eventually we all
> return to share what we've learned and to rejoin in the oneness of
> being - called God (or whatever you want to call it/him/her.)
>
> For most of the people I've known and trusted who have explored beyond
> the bounds of physical life, surrender seems to mean opening
> themselves to their higher self.. their soul group.. the parts of
> themselves who are no longer inhabiting physical bodies. These beings
> are also still learning, and are on the path of eventually returning
> to oneness.
>
> The two people who come to mind are Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen. If
> you read their books, you'll find, I'm sure, that these are people of
> genuine integrity and honesty, just reporting what they have
> personally experienced. They don't ask that we believe them.. in fact
> they recommend that we don't. They suggest that we explore and find
> out for ourselves.. and they hope some of what they have reported will
> serve to help us.. perhaps that we will find some of the same
> landmarks they've found and that this will encourage us to continue
> our journey.
>
> And then I got to know Gloria.. and her path seems quite different
> than theirs. She seems to have a direct connection to God, and is
> somehow on a different route than these other folks. But her message
> seems similar.. we are all a part of something huge.. something
> loving, and we are all on a journey of returning to this something.
> And she is also someone of obvious integrity and honesty.. someone
> reporting what she really knows to be true to the best of her ability.
>
> All of this leaves me with a certain faith that, indeed, there is a
> higher power, called God by some, who we are all a part of and whom we
> can connect with, and, indeed, *will* connect with, at the proper
> time.
>
> My own little experiences, combined with the experiences reported by
> people like Bob and Bruce, and now reinforced by seeing the love and
> integrity of Gloria, leaves me with no more doubts. My ego still gets
> in the way, telling me I'm somehow different and less worthy than
> other people, and that therefore I can't know God. But I'm learning
> to observe and study my ego, and I'm finding that it isn't
> trustworthy. It's so concerned with physical survival of this little
> individual unit called Bob Trevithick, that it will go to any lengths
> to make sure I stay under it's control. I think of my ego as not
> evil, but more like a scared little kid who doesn't know any other way
> and is hanging on for dear life. It doesn't want me to know God or my
> higher self, because then it would lose control.. and that's the one
> thing it can't seem to tolerate.
>
> Well, I've got blabber-fingers this morning. Sorry for the rambling..
> but maybe something in the above will mean something to someone
> reading it. It's my own version of truth, to the extent that I know
> it at this time. We all have our own versions, and if we share them
> in love then perhaps we can help each other along the journey.
>
> Lovingly,
> Bob
> --
> Bob Trevithick
> rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
--
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Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:03:04 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Bob Trevithick <rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com>
CC: Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE <vandykeATnospammss355.dm.af.mil>,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
Message-ID: <34F29AD6.A86ATnospamintercomm.com>
Bob Trevithick wrote:
GG
Sounds like good advise here, don't you all think?
>
> On Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:21:00 -0700, you wrote:
>
> > Do you have any suggestions for not letting the noise
> >bother you. Thanks in advance for any advice you might have.
>
> Trent,
>
> I remember a story about, I believe it was Wayne Dwyer (sp?), who was
> trying to meditate in a park or cemetery or something, and a guy
> showed up and began mowing the lawn. Wayne said he went through all
> kinds of stuff in his mind, like, "Can't he see I'm trying to
> meditate?!"
>
> Eventually, however, he incorporated the sound into his meditation,
> and even gave the mower guy some money at the end as a thank you. He
> found it was a great blessing in some way.
>
> If anyone has actually read the excerpt in question, perhaps you could
> help me out here. :-)
>
> Robert Monroe used to say that if noises intrude, just tell yourself
> that they are assisting you to go even deeper into your trance.. and
> welcome them rather than resist them.
>
> Hope this helps. If not, perhaps someone who knows what they're
> talking about will come along. :-)
>
> Bob
> --
> Bob Trevithick
> rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:42:03 GMT
From: rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevithick)
To: Jeff Jackson <jacksonATnospamdaimler.ucs.indiana.edu>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Comment
Message-ID: <34f42149.4730279ATnospammail.redsuspenders.com>
On Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:29:34 -0500, you wrote:
>I am pretty much OK now. What bothers me is the idea of non-attachment
>now. As I said, I thought I had achieved it, but it appears to be
>just an intellectual achievement. Because, confronted with something
>as everyday as loss of a pet, I was devastated. Is there a distinction
>between this kind of loss and attachment to things? Also, I thought
>the circumstances of this story quite odd and I wondered what some
>of you list members might have to say.
Jeff,
Have you had your house checked for possible dangerous gases, and so
on? It seems odd that both you and the dog ended up with similar
symptoms and on the same medications!
That being said, I'm not sure detachment means not crying when you
lose someone you love. And the loss of a pet is not, in my opinion,
an "everyday" experience.
I'm new here, so folks please correct me if I'm wrong.. but detachment
in this case I would think would mean allowing yourself the full grief
process, and observing yourself going through it. Noting how much it
hurts to lose a loved one. Being in the moment, and feeling the pain.
But observing yourself doing so.
I'm really sorry about your dog.. I know how it hurts to lose a
beloved animal friend. There is nothing like the unconditional love
they give us, once the trust has built up.
Love & Peace,
Bob
--
Bob Trevithick
rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:51:13 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: vandykeATnospammss355.dm.af.mil, rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
Message-ID: <19980224195113.2077.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>On Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:21:00 -0700, you wrote:
>
>> Do you have any suggestions for not letting the noise
>>bother you. Thanks in advance for any advice you might have.
>
>Trent,
>
>I remember a story about, I believe it was Wayne Dwyer (sp?), who was
>trying to meditate in a park or cemetery or something, and a guy
>showed up and began mowing the lawn. Wayne said he went through all
>kinds of stuff in his mind, like, "Can't he see I'm trying to
>meditate?!"
>
>Eventually, however, he incorporated the sound into his meditation,
>and even gave the mower guy some money at the end as a thank you. He
>found it was a great blessing in some way.
>
>If anyone has actually read the excerpt in question, perhaps you could
>help me out here. :-)
>
>Robert Monroe used to say that if noises intrude, just tell yourself
>that they are assisting you to go even deeper into your trance.. and
>welcome them rather than resist them.
>
>Hope this helps. If not, perhaps someone who knows what they're
>talking about will come along. :-)
>
>Bob
>--=20
>Bob Trevithick
>rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
>
>
Bob,
Not say I know what I am talking about..heheh.. but when I went to a
friends house for "healing meditation"..she had this very elderly dog
that breathed very noisily and snored in his sleep. She kept apologizing
for this *disturbance*, but it was one of the most comforting sounds to
hear and I became so very fond of the sound of his snoring. After he
died, I still hear his breathing sometimes.
Gloria Lee
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:10:45 -0800
From: celesteATnospamridgenet.net
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Comment
Message-ID: <34F32944.BBDADA15ATnospamridgecrest.ca.us>
-very sorry to hear that you lost your dog. i had to put down my best
horse two years ago and it was a very rough time for me. i still think
of her most days and the sadness is still there but i've made my peace
with it now. i am also inclined to feel that love and attachment are two
different things and operate in our psyche in quite different ways and
for different purposes. grief tempered with the acknowledgement of the
reality of life and death on the earth plane is simply a necessary and
healthy process. talking about it is part of that.
take care.
cm
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:17:30 +0000
From: Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Comment
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At 14:29 24/02/98 -0500, Jeff Jackson wrote:
>I am pretty much OK now. What bothers me is the idea of non-attachment
>now. As I said, I thought I had achieved it, but it appears to be
>just an intellectual achievement. Because, confronted with something
>as everyday as loss of a pet, I was devastated. Is there a distinction
>between this kind of loss and attachment to things?
Well, I'm hardly an expert on this, but it makes sense to me that you're
*supposed* to feel devastated when someone or something you love
disappears. Seems like a completely sane and reasonable thing to feel.
I'm not sure that detachment is supposed to mean that you float through
life completely disconnected from everything. That sounds a little
impossible and perhaps even unhealthy to me.
Perhaps here the detachment would come from not holding on to your feelings
- just letting them flow in their own way, and letting them be? That's
closer to how I understand the term, anyway. To me it doesn't mean absence
of feelings, so much as grace and poise and integrity in allowing them.
You know - your dog just died. What a bummer! :(
Would a boddhisatva really not cry about this?
Compassion,
R.
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:17:32 +0000
From: Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 2nd Poll: K vs Prana, pleasure centers
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At 13:31 24/02/98 EST, DruoutATnospamaol.com wrote:
>I call the "chakras" pleasure centers rather than knots. (Work it out!).
>Heresy I suppose!
Hardly. I *like* this idea. MMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm... :)
R.
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:17:33 +0000
From: Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Reality Check
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At 11:31 24/02/98 EST, PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com wrote:
>When I first went to this most recent workshop, a number of the people seemed
>so familiar to me that I greeted them as old friends, but then realized
that I
>had never met them. Just standing around a number of them made the kundalini
>vibrations activate. The meditations did not. When the various people put
>their hands on me, it did feel wonderful. I do not question the loving
intent
>of a single person there. But all the conspiracy theory, pole shift,
>illuminati talk seemed unrelated to becoming a better person. I think we are
>all eager children wanting to be dazzled spiritually. But how do we develop
>discernment?
Hurrah!!!! I'm so glad someone asked this question. I've been having
similar experiences recently, and it's an issue that's been bugging me too.
Here's my dilemma: at a local meditation group someone that I know
moderately well did a grounding/centering/healing meditation which was very
good, and I got a lot out of. Ok so far...
But before she did that she handed out information about Thursday's
eclipse. The plot on the paper was the eclipse was a very special thing
that happens once every thousand years, and the planets would be in the
shape of a cross with the earth where the heart chakra would be. So there
would be meditations for healing that day, and so on and so forth.
Problem - the planets are doing nothing of the sort. They're mostly piled
into Aquarius, with the rest spread out here and there. No cross. No heart
chakra position for the earth. Sorry, but it just ain't so. Not even if you
cheat and include the major asteroids and the Galactic Centre.
So what do you do? In the end I decided that if people want to meditate for
healing that's cool with me, and I'm not going to rain on the parade by
explaining they're not doing it for the reasons they think they are.
But it's still an issue. This person, for example, is very into Earth
energies and alignments with the Great Pyramid and the whole shebang. So -
she can lead a meditation. Does that mean I have to believe all this other
stuff about dolphins from the Pleiades and the various High Cosmic PoohBahs
too?
So how much of the more extreme New Age credo (most of which appears on
Spiritweb at http://www.spiritweb.org, just in case anyone wants to take a
look) is actually just fluffy ungrounded thinking? And how much is genuine?
And what if some of its energetically effective but 'literally' BS?
I do wonder just how amenable some of these people are to really helping
people outside of that rather artificial workshop situation - you know,
those moments where you're ill or your car breaks down and you need some
genuine support that isn't going to ask you 'Hmmm - so what did you do to
create THIS reality for yourself?' Or worse still refuses to associate
with you because your car broke down which means that obviously you haven't
done your manifestation lessons properly yet.
But perhaps I'm being unkind?
No answers. Just questions. :(
R.
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:26:33 GMT
From: rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevithick)
To: Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Reality Check
Message-ID: <34f72c12.7491924ATnospammail.redsuspenders.com>
On Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:17:33 +0000, you wrote:
>But it's still an issue. This person, for example, is very into Earth
>energies and alignments with the Great Pyramid and the whole shebang. So -
>she can lead a meditation. Does that mean I have to believe all this other
>stuff about dolphins from the Pleiades and the various High Cosmic PoohBahs
>too?
>
Richard,
My thoughts, for whatever they're worth.
No need to worry about all that stuff. I think once we make our *own*
connection with higher powers, God, whatever term you like, we will
have access to whatever information we need. A lot of the so called
"New Age" movement appears to me to be nonsense.. but I don't worry
about it. Isn't my issue at the moment.
Here's a great prayer I just read that might get a chuckle:
"God, please give me the strength to do the things I can, and please
help me trust you to handle the rest. And would you mind putting that
in writing?" :-)
Love,
Bob
--
Bob Trevithick
rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:52:24 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Geryl and Mark Waind'" <gandm.waindATnospamsympatico.ca>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: YOGIC PHENOMENA
Message-ID: <01BD4123.10F42B20.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
These phenomenon are called ``kriyas''. They are described in the Siddha Mahayoga FAQ.
-----Original Message-----
From: Geryl and Mark Waind [SMTP:gandm.waindATnospamsympatico.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 1998 1:25 AM
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: YOGIC PHENOMENA
>
> Dear Fellow Seekers, Searchers and Experiencers of the Sacred Sine Wave:
>
> The following is an excerpt from an article by Karin Hannigan entitled,
> "Kundalini & the Awakening of the Spirit".
>
> YOGIC PHENOMENA - some people find themselves performing yogic postures
> or mudra gestures which they have never learned or could not do in a
> normal state of consciousness. Similarly, they may produce Sanskrit
> words or sounds, or have an awareness of inner music or sound, mantras
> or tones. Unusual breathing patterns may appear with either very rapid
> or slow shallow breathing. Some people may not breathe at all for
> extended periods.
>
> The above paragraph relates to phenomena that I am very familiar with.
> If you have experienced anything like what is mentioned in Karin's
> article, I would very much appreciate you getting in touch with me.
> I believe we could be of assistance to each other's spiritual
> development.
>
> Most Sincerely in love and light,
>
> Mark
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:07:23 GMT
From: Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Comment (FWD)
Message-ID: <1998022421072384101ATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
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I am pretty much OK now. What bothers me is the idea of non-attachment
now. As I said, I thought I had achieved it, but it appears to be
just an intellectual achievement. Because, confronted with something
as everyday as loss of a pet, I was devastated. Is there a distinction
between this kind of loss and attachment to things? Also, I thought
the circumstances of this story quite odd and I wondered what some
of you list members might have to say.
Later,
Jeff Jackson
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Dear Soul/Jeff
I would be very surprised if you did not feel compasion and then
grief at the loss of your dog. There is a difference between owning/
attached to (Possesssion)and loving.
Yogananda, who I would thing every one would agree was a spiritual
giant, was devestated at the loss of his Guru till he was visited by
his "Dead" master. See "Autobiography of a Yogi" We have to be in
control of our senses not devoid of them then rise above them witmess
them. While we are in this world( though not of it) we may have our
head in heaven but still have our feet on the ground.
IMHO we have to travel through stages to get to enlightenment ie "I
am in the light. The light is in me. I am the light. So it is all
very well to say I am that( and I beleive it is true) but at the
moment personally I have to take others word for that truth, though I
have had enogh personal evidence that I am moving towards that devine
truth and will in the fulness of time have God realisation. Finally
God invented the feelings that you have been having so it's ok to
feel this way.
In love
Chris
Sai Ram
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