1998/02/24 11:31
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #148
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 148
Today's Topics:
Re: HRTZEN: Re: Solving the Iraqi Cr [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net> ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net> ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Esnshl4meATnospamaol.com ]
unsubscribe [ Sun A Mones <samonesATnospamacsu.buffalo.e ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE <vandyk ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevit ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net> ]
Reality Check [ PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Sex, Marriage and Kundalini [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
background noise [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Re: Indigo childern [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ]
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:37:32 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Solving the Iraqi Crisis
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Hi Gloria! :)
At 22:55 1998.02.23 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
>> >> Actually, it is not the distance, it would probably take a couple of
hours
>> >> driving, but I don't feel drawn towards it, it is OK but nothing
there for
>> >> me. Actually I think about going to an island here on the Adriatic, away
>> >> from the background noise, just a week or so, to work with my
students on
>> >> some more demanding things - I will probably do that. :)
>
>Gloria:
> Sometimes those dramatic circumstances really empower you to go within,
>I have a feeling that is what it has done with you. My heart goes out to
>you, the way will be made for you to find that inner quiet even if it is
>not that harmony around you, the way is there. One of the young men that
>is doing the retreat on my page has four kids one three years old,
>anyway, whenever he tries to meditate there is always some interruption,
>again and again. This is teaching him that no matter what he will find
>the way to that inner quiet, but it is a test...are you reading this
>Trent, perhaps you can share with Danijel also.
You got me all wrong! :))) This is not the inner peace stuff - as for my
concentration, well, there was a nice thing a couple of weeks ago, Tea and
I were in the Importanne Center in Zagreb - an underground complex of
shops, bars etc. Extremely negative vibe, Tea calls it "Zagreb's Mordor"
:))))) We were in a bar, people were walking around our table, children
screaming, smoke, noise, all kinds of distortions. I did a major
intervention on my systems there that evening, not just cleaning up surface
noise, but the essential stuff, the highest intensity. Actually, Tea said
she felt as we were so far out of that place she wouldn't be at all
surprised if we appeared on the Himalayas or the Moon. :)))) There was an
island, the world outside of that field seemed so shallow, irrelevant and
unreal, so low-dimensional in comparison that it couldn't even get close to
us. Later that evening she said she had a feeling if a car hit her it would
go straight through. :) (Hi Tea, I know you're reading this :*** ). I give
all the shaktipat initiations and energy work in such places - Importanne,
bars, things like that. THAT IS NO PROBLEM, that is the low level stuff.
Now try to imagine why exactly do I need peace and quiet for? ;))))))
>> >Gg
>> >Probably some piece and quiet is very valueable isn't it?
>>
>> It is extremely difficult to do any precise and intense pranic work here -
>> too much background noise, me and Felix both have problems with that. The
>> last time I was drawing power (vajra) I couldn't eat - the food messed up
>> my systems so I lost the focus; I could only drink mineral water; it was
>> also so difficult to find a location that didn't have astral mess on it;
>> yuck. :)
>
>GG
>Do you have a shortage of food or get food that isn't good?
:)))))) ROTFL :))))))) No, it ain't that, the food here is probably better
than in the US. :)))) It is just that consuming food would start a
low-level pranic circulation that interfered with the vajra-assimilation,
at the full use of the throat chakra. At that time I actually wasn't
completely internalized on vajra so I was in an agony - I couldn't get
enough of vajra energy to sustain my body functions, but prana from the
food, even the most intense stuff, was just smashed by the intensity, I
couldn't get enough, I felt like dying. With time, it balanced itself.
Probably my entire body is sustained by that now - not vajra, but several
levels higher. At first it was vajra, then the violet robe of the Goddess,
then even more intense things. I never found sanskrit names for those
higher levels.
-----
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:36:24 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Hi! :)
At 00:50 1998.02.24 -0800, you wrote:
>> YES YES YESSSSS!!! :))))))) Felix keeps telling people that same story; I
>> think he was invited to tea when he was in Japan. :)))) LOL :))))) He even
>> demonstrated the point; the floor ended up all wet. :)))))
>>
>>
>ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT FELIX UNGER FROM THE ODD COUPLE ON TELEVISION OR
>FELIX THE CAT FROM THE CARTOON SHOW. COULD IT POSSIBLEY BE FELIX
>MENDELSOHN THE COMPOSER((((LOL)))))(((((DE LOL)))))(((PROGRAM))))
>(((((DEPROGRAM)))))I THINK I CAN REMEMBER POINDEXTER BEING KIDNAPPED BY
>THE MASTER CYLINDER AND TAKEN TO THE MOON!(((((LOL)))))FELIX HAD TO USE
>HIS BAG OF TRICKS TO HELP HIM ESCAPE!(((((LOL)))))
Of course it is Radoslav Prica, my dear friend from Croatia - you probably
didn't pay attention to the cro_kundalini-l membership list that I posted. :)
-----
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:13:04 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Danijel Turina wrote:
> Hi Christina! :)
> At 13:35 1998.02.23 -1000, Christina wrote:
> >Hello K list. I have a little story I would like to share with you all.
> >Here it goes:
> >
> >There was once an ancient Zen master who was approached by a knowledgeable
> >scientist and philosopher who requested his teaching, saying, "I understand
> >much of the physical laws of the universe and the way of things, but there
> >may be something you could add. May I have the teachings?" The Zen
> >master invited him to sit and offered him tea. The scientist held out his
> >cup as the Zen master began to fill it and continued pouring as the tea
> >spilled over onto the floor.
Harsha writes: I have great respect for Zen and have heard this story a number
of times. But perhaps there are better ways to make philosophical points other
than spilling tea on your guests!
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:58:05 EST
From: Esnshl4meATnospamaol.com
To: cmwATnospamcgocable.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Christina wrote:
>>And the Zen master, smiling, replied, "That is right. Like this cup, your
mind is too full. Empty your cup and then come back for the teaching.
Perhaps then you will have room to receive the truth."<<
Yes, one of the times appropriate for an empty, silent mind. Although I've
also temporarily misplaced my mind when I needed it for material matters, so I
know I don't want to lose it entirely :)
>>All the answers that I need come from deep within as a silent whisper and
not
the racket between my ears.
If someone would like to share their understanding of those whispers, I
be more than happy to share mine. I am not interested in intellectual
diatribes. Let hearts touch through cyber-space because where hearts
are concerned, there is no separation. <<
>From the heart:
Sometimes the answer comes as a whisper that I hear within; sometimes it
guides my hand as I write in my journal; sometimes the answer comes as a
feeling.
The answer is always Love. The operative word is always "within."
Answers arrive with a quiet mind, less about understanding than about knowing
the experience, embracing it. Knowing the answers lie waiting in my Highest
Self, waiting to be recognized as Love, as God, as Me. We're all the same.
Love,
Cher
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:14:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Sun A Mones <samonesATnospamacsu.buffalo.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: unsubscribe
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take me off this list
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:21:00 -0700
From: Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE <vandykeATnospammss355.dm.af.mil>
To: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
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Dear Danijel
Hi, my name is Trent. I'm on the Hearzen list and have been
working with Gloria a short while. Actually known her for much longer.
I don't understand you. Does noise and environment bother you when you
are working on yourself spiritually or not. Below is a clipping where
you talk about "background noise". But later on in the post you mention
working spiritually in a noisy bar-like atmosphere. But then again at
the end of the post you mention background noise bothering you ( I
marked the spot below with three asterisks). Is this background noise
you mention different from environmental noise? I personally have
trouble with meditating in a noisy environment. I don't even like going
out to crowded or boisterous places. I prefer silence and a peacefull
enviroment to live in and meditate in. I am working on myself in this
regards however. Do you have any suggestions for not letting the noise
bother you. Thanks in advance for any advice you might have.
Love and Light
Trent Van Dyke
-------- clip-----
> Actually I think about going to an island here on the Adriatic, away
> from the background noise, just a week or so, to work with my
> students onsome more demanding things - I will probably do that. :)
--------- clip--------
>
>Gloria:
> Sometimes those dramatic circumstances really empower you to go
within,
>I have a feeling that is what it has done with you. My heart goes out
to
>you, the way will be made for you to find that inner quiet even if it
is
>not that harmony around you, the way is there. One of the young men
that
>is doing the retreat on my page has four kids one three years old,
>anyway, whenever he tries to meditate there is always some
interruption,
>again and again. This is teaching him that no matter what he will find
>the way to that inner quiet, but it is a test...are you reading this
>Trent, perhaps you can share with Danijel also.
You got me all wrong! :))) This is not the inner peace stuff - as for my
concentration, well, there was a nice thing a couple of weeks ago, Tea
and
I were in the Importanne Center in Zagreb - an underground complex of
shops, bars etc. Extremely negative vibe, Tea calls it "Zagreb's Mordor"
:))))) We were in a bar, people were walking around our table, children
screaming, smoke, noise, all kinds of distortions. I did a major
intervention on my systems there that evening, not just cleaning up
surface
noise, but the essential stuff, the highest intensity. Actually, Tea
said
she felt as we were so far out of that place she wouldn't be at all
surprised if we appeared on the Himalayas or the Moon. :)))) There was
an
island, the world outside of that field seemed so shallow, irrelevant
and
unreal, so low-dimensional in comparison that it couldn't even get close
to
us. Later that evening she said she had a feeling if a car hit her it
would
go straight through. :) (Hi Tea, I know you're reading this :*** ). I
give
all the shaktipat initiations and energy work in such places -
Importanne,
bars, things like that. THAT IS NO PROBLEM, that is the low level stuff.
Now try to imagine why exactly do I need peace and quiet for? ;))))))
>> >Gg
>> >Probably some piece and quiet is very valueable isn't it?
>>
>> It is extremely difficult to do any precise and intense pranic work
here -
* * * >> too much background noise, me and Felix both have problems
with that.
The last time I was drawing power (vajra) I couldn't eat - the food
messed up
>> my systems so I lost the focus; I could only drink mineral water; it
was
>> also so difficult to find a location that didn't have astral mess on
it;
>> yuck. :)
>
>GG
>Do you have a shortage of food or get food that isn't good?
:)))))) ROTFL :))))))) No, it ain't that, the food here is probably
better
than in the US. :)))) It is just that consuming food would start a
low-level pranic circulation that interfered with the
vajra-assimilation,
at the full use of the throat chakra. At that time I actually wasn't
completely internalized on vajra so I was in an agony - I couldn't get
enough of vajra energy to sustain my body functions, but prana from the
food, even the most intense stuff, was just smashed by the intensity, I
couldn't get enough, I felt like dying. With time, it balanced itself.
Probably my entire body is sustained by that now - not vajra, but
several
levels higher. At first it was vajra, then the violet robe of the
Goddess,
then even more intense things. I never found sanskrit names for those
higher levels.
-----
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Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:51:52 GMT
From: rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevithick)
To: Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE <vandykeATnospammss355.dm.af.mil>
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
Message-ID: <34f7e957.10775755ATnospammail.redsuspenders.com>
On Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:21:00 -0700, you wrote:
> Do you have any suggestions for not letting the noise
>bother you. Thanks in advance for any advice you might have.
Trent,
I remember a story about, I believe it was Wayne Dwyer (sp?), who was
trying to meditate in a park or cemetery or something, and a guy
showed up and began mowing the lawn. Wayne said he went through all
kinds of stuff in his mind, like, "Can't he see I'm trying to
meditate?!"
Eventually, however, he incorporated the sound into his meditation,
and even gave the mower guy some money at the end as a thank you. He
found it was a great blessing in some way.
If anyone has actually read the excerpt in question, perhaps you could
help me out here. :-)
Robert Monroe used to say that if noises intrude, just tell yourself
that they are assisting you to go even deeper into your trance.. and
welcome them rather than resist them.
Hope this helps. If not, perhaps someone who knows what they're
talking about will come along. :-)
Bob
--
Bob Trevithick
rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:01:08 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
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Hi Trent! :)
At 08:21 1998.02.24 -0700, Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE wrote:
>Dear Danijel
>
> Hi, my name is Trent. I'm on the Hearzen list and have been
>working with Gloria a short while. Actually known her for much longer.
>I don't understand you. Does noise and environment bother you when you
>are working on yourself spiritually or not. Below is a clipping where
>you talk about "background noise". But later on in the post you mention
>working spiritually in a noisy bar-like atmosphere. But then again at
>the end of the post you mention background noise bothering you ( I
>marked the spot below with three asterisks). Is this background noise
>you mention different from environmental noise? I personally have
>trouble with meditating in a noisy environment. I don't even like going
>out to crowded or boisterous places. I prefer silence and a peacefull
>enviroment to live in and meditate in. I am working on myself in this
>regards however. Do you have any suggestions for not letting the noise
>bother you. Thanks in advance for any advice you might have.
Actually it is quite simple; there is a difference between the internal
spiritual depth and the level of power/insight available through the
physical body. To sharpen that, one has to remove the background noise in
order to purify the very subtle flows. That is the level of the
manifestation. Spiritual depth is a completely different thing. Right now,
it is several orders of magnitude easier for me to actually _do_ something
than it would be to describe what I actually did - and that is what I call
"disalignment", for instance if I had all of that cleared, and I could use
all the resources available... brrr. :))))) For that, I would have to "test
drive" some things and it would be quite some fireworks. :)
-----
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:31:07 EST
From: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: terATnospamtechnosophy.com
Subject: Reality Check
Message-ID: <ea9165fd.34f2f5ceATnospamaol.com>
Maybe I´ve just heard one version too many of "the truth," but I´m starting to
wonder if I´m substituting hope for judgment in my quest for spiritual growth.
Enthusiasm is fine, but when combined with an active imagination, I´m
wondering if it leads to a dead end. And I´m also having trouble determining
the difference between symbolic and literal meaning in spiritual teaching.
Here´s what happened last week that has made me slam the brakes on my
spiritual ride. I went to a meditation workshop that was led by two men. One
leader did group and individual light body meditations (Merkaba), and the
other led a Mahatma meditation (Om chanting) and a Merlin meditation (Camelot
imagery). The center of the room had a mat where people placed many crystals,
stones, feathers, and sundry gadgets. Someone "smudged" the room by burning
sage. Others wore amulets, and others did chants. During the course of the
weekend, fellow participants passed along a variety of tidbits to me. A man
told me he had a message for me from the Archangel Michael. The message was,
"You are an angel. You are a blessed being of light. Just be." Another man
told me I was an ancient priestess from Teotehuacan. A woman told me I had a
white and gold aura and that there was a mark between my eyes that was
supposed to be over my third eye. A man put his hands to the top and back of
my head while this woman watched the mark move to its correct position on my
forehead, and then she said the mark started to flicker. She drew a picture
of the mark for me to see. It was like a two-petal lotus sitting on a flat
base. They both thought it was amusing that I didn´t know who I was and said
I would find out. They said I would eventually be able to see auras. The
whole weekend was filled with talk of Martians, ETs, spaceships, Atlantis,
Lemuria, Christ-grid workers, ascension, End of Days, and the like.
The meditations were enjoyable, but I was absolutely exhausted after each one.
When I had trouble coming out of the first meditation, several people tried to
help me by laying on hands (is that Reiki?) or by giving me "grounding" rocks
to hold. My solar plexus and throat areas felt very weird afterward. In
fact, it has been over a week and my solar plexus is still not back to normal.
The meditations involved guided imagery, but then I spontaneously "saw" some
things at a different level (the same way I saw kundalini lights). Others in
the group saw some of the same things. One beautiful indigo colored form that
appeared I was later told was St. Germaine who they said was working with us
that day. I "saw" the hourglass nebula and many different eyes that seemed to
be watching me. I saw a face that was part lion, part man. Because the first
meditation had left me feeling so drained, I thought I would "just watch" the
other participants going through the subsequent meditations, but I got totally
spaced out again despite myself. The meditation guide kept invoking love and
light. He told us that if we had any doubts or concerns to ask our spirit
guides for a love confirmation. I knew the sensation he was talking about,
but I didn´t get that response when I asked. My only other experience with a
meditation weekend was conducted by a swami or guru (I don´t know the
difference), and it was cloaked in a blanket of love so thick you could cut it
with a knife.
When I first went to this most recent workshop, a number of the people seemed
so familiar to me that I greeted them as old friends, but then realized that I
had never met them. Just standing around a number of them made the kundalini
vibrations activate. The meditations did not. When the various people put
their hands on me, it did feel wonderful. I do not question the loving intent
of a single person there. But all the conspiracy theory, pole shift,
illuminati talk seemed unrelated to becoming a better person. I think we are
all eager children wanting to be dazzled spiritually. But how do we develop
discernment?
After Linda started the ear ringing poll on the k-list and suggested that we
make the left side be negative and the right be positive, I started sometimes
getting kundalini vibrations on just the left or right side. I have been sort
of using this as a True/False barometer when I question the nature of
thoughts, words, or actions in myself or others. But the response doesn´t
always come when I ask. And now I´m wondering about this solar plexus
response too. Is that what people mean by a "gut reaction"? If so, my
reaction was not positive. It would be nice if I could count on my body as a
reliable tool for learning. That way I wouldn't resent being in this dense
physical body that strikes me as so inefficient, cumbersome, fragile, and
demanding. A human body is like having a needy pet, dragging me down to
maintenance issues which are pretty boring.
So how do you tell what is symbolic and what is literal? I´m all for
symbolism as an aid to spiritual learning and awareness. The Tibetan
Buddhists use all kinds of spiritual gadgetry to integrate their belief system
with their thoughts, words, and action. The Christians and Jews have a whole
different set of icons, crucifixes, menorahs, and incantations. These are
symbolic. But is it symbolic or literal when someone wears an amulet or
crystals? Is it symbolic or literal when someone channels information and
says three people from the West will enter a chamber under the Sphinx and
recover evidence of a lost civilization? Is it symbolic or literal when
someone channels information that Martians came to Atlantis after destroying
their own planet? Is it symbolic or literal when someone says he was Luke, or
Paul, or the Serpent of Eden? I don´t want to close any doors or shut myself
out of a fruitful belief system by being too skeptical. How would I feel if
kundalini gave me the opportunity to help with a literal ascension of human
consciousness and I shirked my job because it seemed too fantastic? But what
if I buy into all the New Age stuff and create a bizarre reality for myself
and miss my real job because I didn´t use common sense?
(Two hours later) I just came back from a break after typing the preceding
paragraph. I watched a movie with my husband called "Critical Care." I
picked it knowing nothing about it except that the cover said "Two Thumbs Up"
according to Siskel and Ebert. In typical synchronicity, the theme of the
movie happened to touch on the questions weighing on me right now. Through
the character of Ann Bancroft came these words: "We make our eternity. Every
day, every hour, every second we choose what our eternity will be…. Listen to
your heart… You can change…. You can teach yourself to love what is
important." So I guess the spaceships and conspiracies don´t really matter,
true or untrue. It is my choice whether to embrace them in my eternity. Do
they help me be more loving? Can they help me help others? Do they prompt me
to do good deeds?
Those of you firmly implanted on a traditional path have lineage, scriptures,
doctrine, and leaders to look to for guidance. Not having found one that
seems completely right for me, I guess I´m at the mercy of Hollywood script
writers for awhile. (Just kidding.) But seriously, I would appreciate
guidance from anyone who would share their own criteria for discernment and
what they would recommend for someone like me who is not very alert to the
subtle realm, who is prone to insert her own imaginings, and who only pays
attention to the really dramatic things like uncanny synchronicity and
physical kundalini manifestations.
Sorry this was so long,
Peg
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:32:03 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Sex, Marriage and Kundalini
Message-ID: <34F2F603.B367C71BATnospambryant.edu>
Chris Hughes wrote:
> > The Spiritual Experience and the Awakening of
> > >Kundalini Shakti in Tantra Yoga
> > >http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/harsh.html
>
> Dear Soul/ Harsha
> I have tried to access this site to read your paper without
> success. It is a subject that I am very interested in. Have you a
> copy that you could e mail me
> I would really appreciate this.
> Chris
> Sai Ram
Harsha writes: I am not an internet expert but others have told me they have been
able to access this paper on the URL given. Angelique was going to put it on the
U.S. Kundalini home site. Maybe you can access it there. Also I wrote to Bill peay
to put it on the Kundalini Resource Center but have had no response. I do not have
any marketing savvy or the pull needed to make the paper widely available. The paper
was written for advanced students who have awakened the Shakti and led Her to higher
centers up to Sahasharara. It gives good practical advice and cautions on the
practice of meditation and pranayama. Those who have read it consider it to be
straight forward without the use of technical terms. Best wishes Chris on your
spiritual path.
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:43:34 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: background noise
Message-ID: <19980224164334.10876.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Danijel writes about interfering background noise for meditation.
Gloria:
......
is doing the retreat on my page has four kids one three years
old,
anyway, whenever he tries to meditate there is always some
interruption,
again and again. This is teaching him that no matter what he
will find
the way to that inner quiet, but it is a test...are you reading
this
Trent, perhaps you can share with Danijel also.
Susan here:
Yeah it can be frustrating until I learned how to tune it out.
I set the intention that every frustration and every interruption drives
me deeper into Self. Takes a little practice but it can be done.
I have to deal with how it pisses me off first that I cant have my
meditation the way I want it. Ya know,like why doesnt the world
cooperate with me on my spiritual path?? :)
When I was in my fundamentalist Christian days...I heard of a great
simple technique for having uninterrupted prayer time....from a busy
mother with toddlers, of course :)
When it was time for her to pray she would sit in a specific spot in the
house and then cover her head and shoulders with a towel or something.
Her children soon learned that that was Mommy's private time with God
and not to disturb her.
Personally, I am not much of a 'formal' meditator anymore since I have
been learning to make my life in all its manifestations a meditation.
The same goes with prayer...no formal prayer time...its all blended in
my meditation awareness.
There are times though, when I go on a retreat within but then I plan
ahead for that and treat it as a date with god. Its kinda like being
married I guess ( speaking as one who has never been married :) )
You can spend your life with your husband but there are times that are
special for you and him alone.
Hope this helps,
Susan
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:48:14 -0800
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
To: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>,
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Cc: Ram & Sonia Chandiramani <almidasATnospamemirates.net.ae>
Subject: Re: Indigo childern
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Hi,
You might want to check out Gordon Michael Scallion's website at
http://www.ecrnews.com he has written a book "Notes From The Cosmos" in
which he details the information regarding these children, albeit he calls
them Children of the Blue Ray. Should you need more information regarding
these children, I can tell you what I know about them, contact me directly.
Your welcome dor
At 03:40 PM 2/24/98 +0500, Peswani wrote:
> Some times back there was some information on this list about
>Indigo childern. Please help me to get all the information on this
>subject as early as possible. Also if any special care this child may
>require.
>thanks
>shahanshah
>
>
>
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