1998/02/21 18:55
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #142
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 142
Today's Topics:
Re: HRTZEN: Faith and Belief [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Green snake dream [ Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toro ]
Re: Solving [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net> ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Srinivasan Veerasakthi <vasan01ATnospamibm ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: BB Guns, Back Pain, Acupuncture [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: Solving the Iraqi Cr [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net> ]
Re: More of us? [ Stuart <stuartfATnospamdimensional.com> ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: Solving the Iraqi Cr [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Mike Oldfield [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net> ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: Solving the Iraqi Cr [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: BB Guns, Back Pain, Acupuncture [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: Solving the Iraqi Cr [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net> ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: Solving the Iraqi Cr [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net> ]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:37:39 EST
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Faith and Belief
Message-ID: <c8c39b37.34ef4926ATnospamaol.com>
n a message dated 98-02-21 08:23:54 EST, rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com writes:
<< rtrev : I have trouble with the terms "faith" and "belief".>>
Harsha writes: Do not trouble yourself with it.
<<rtrev: To me, faith and belief imply that the person is operating with lack
of real knowledge. If he/she had real knowledge of, for example, God,
then there would be no question of faith and belief>>.
Harsha writes: True devotion and faith are gifts. Cultivate them. Faith leads
to First hand knowledge of God. Faith carried to extreme leads to surrender to
the Divine. This leads to True Knowledge. Knowledge and True Devotion are the
same thing.
<<rtrev: To take this a step further, would you agree that God is the most
pure form of unconditional LOVE? If so, then I would suggest that Bruce
Moen's formulation that "Love and fear cannot coexist" would be right
on the money>>
Harsha writes: This is all true. It does not contradict having faith.
<< rtrev: To me, someone operating from faith is someone who has yet to really
experience GOD in their life. This experience would render faith and
belief unnecessary>>.
Harsha: People use different modes of expression.
<<rtrev: Do you see my point?>>
Harsha: Yes.
<<rtrev:Please help me with this.. it's disturbing to me, and is probably
slowing my progress. Perhaps I'm just getting tripped up on semantics
here, but it seems more deep than that. It's very confusing to me to
hear you speak of faith and belief>>
Harsha writes: Do not be confused. Have Faith! It will be clear in due time.
God bless all with the gift of faith and devotion......Harsha
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:41:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toronto.on.ca>
To: Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Green snake dream
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Reading about your dream of snakes I remember a dream I had.
The snake in front of me was solid gold. Nothing else in dream.
Barbara
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:43:33 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Solving
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Hi Antoine! :)
>> > I read with interest all your postings and am in agreement on most
>> >of what you say. Baba is against violence except as a last resort,
>> >the problem is when is it a last resort?
>>
>> Yes, but I think everyone says it is a last resort all the time, so it
>> doesn't count for much. :)
>
>I would like to bring attention to the Tibetan and Chinese conflict here.
Khm, I thought about that... at the same time very similar and very
different situations. Completely different mentality, cultural background,
the way of thinking and reacting. I should ask Felix more, he studied in
Tibet (Kailash) for some time. :) If the Tibetans are any like him, I love
them already. :))))
>> >If none of the parties
>> >involved had been sold weapons in the first place then the problem
>> >would not be so great.
>>
>> In former Yugoslavia the problem was exactly the opposite - none of the
>> sides _were_ sold any weapons, but have in mind that the Serbs had the
>> entire self-sustained military force of their own (just like Iraq, similar
>> stuff), and the rest of us could mostly throw rocks at their tanks.
>
>Like the Tibetans when they where invaded by the Chinese.
The difference is obvious - the Croats immediately acted as warriors,
organized the defense etc. - the Tibetans did not resist, apparently.
Frankly, I don't think it was much of an option there - after all, Croatia
had the technology and industry, military and scientific personel; Tibet is
practically an island without any technology whatsoever, no weapons
whatsoever, so the physical resistance was not an option. Spiritual
strength of the Tibetans, however, is immensely greater.
>> Therefore, not giving us means to defend ourselves was an atrocious crime
>> committed by the international community against Croatia and Bosnia.
>
>Same for the Tibetans, No one really did care in the world when they where
>invaded because they add nothing of material value. (I wonder what would
append
>if Saddham would invade Rome, and take the pope for hostage :-))))
Yes, ain't hard to figure out... :)))
>> Still,
>> we managed to survive - stole some of the weapons from the Serbs, smuggled
>> some from the international black market, and made our own military
>> industry that now produces ships, submarines, the latest generation of
>> tanks, cannons and light weapons of all sorts. Practically, we managed to
>> produce everything except aircrafts and missiles (we did however manage to
>> produce an improved electronical guidance system for Saab cruising
>> missiles; international experts fell on their ass when our experts told
>> them what they did). It was a good lesson about the "neutrality" and "the
>> desire for peace" by the international community. When one has those things
>> in mind, it turns out that they simply waited for the Serbs to overrun and
>> kill us, and our major sin was trying to stay alive. And look what, now
>> that we are well armed, there is suddenly no war at all? Now why do you
>> think that happened..? ;))))
>
>The same for the Tibetans, but on a cultural level, who in a flash, less
than a
>generation learned, our culture and language and managed to survive more and
>more buy the only fact that they are the closest community applying in a
living
>day to day matter what other preach as individuals.
Yes, they are indeed amazing. The Chinese performed a cultural rape and
genocide, and still those people not only preserved their inner cohesion,
but don't seem to be vindictive or violent or victimized; I can't imagine
the Croats displaying such inner strength under such conditions. But on the
other hand I also can't imagine the Tibetans as a military force. ;)))
Completely different cultures. Shakti flows powerful in Croatia though -
very high number of awakened people. And the connection between people and
the Earth is powerful, we feel an extremely strong attachment to our
country, to its beauty, quite similar to the native Americans. It is
probably the main reason for such a determined and focused defense. I felt
people were more hurt by the wounds imposed to the land and its beauty then
by the loss of lives; we felt the Serbs were desacrating our country,
turning it into a pig farm from hell, and it caused terrible rage and fury.
That connection to the Earth is what I see as a probable cause of so many
spiritual awakenings.
>> >In ancient times it was somtimes the case that
>> >a fight between the champion of each side would decide the end
>> >result, now the instigators are not to be found within miles of the
>> >battle field.
>>
>> Yes, it was a much better way of solving the conflicts. :) Actually they
>> don't even need to use the weapons, a nice tennis match would do - having
>> Goran Ivanisevic and Iva Majoli in mind, we should be quite a force, unless
>> we go to a war with the USA. ;)))))) LOL :)))))
>
>This is something that as been studied very carefully by political scientist,
>mostly under Kennedy, how to replace war by peace.
It actually was?!? :))))) Wow! :)))
>Promotion of fear in
>ecology, promotion of sports to let the "adrenaline" out, to replace
>populations desire to fight, is very real as a medium of cleansing.
Communitie
>need such Devas until they come to touch to Reality.
Yes, strong emotional release can indeed stop a conflict - if it is not
necessary. Sometimes, though, the conflict is actually the least violent
solution. For instance, if we didn't stand our ground, probably ten times
more people would have died, and most of our country would have looked like
Hiroshima (if you saw pictures of Vukovar, you will know what I mean). If
there were no weapons involved, if there were no Serbian army, a couple of
emotional soccer games between Serbian and Croatian teams would probably
do. :) That is IMO the main problem with the modern weapons - some folks
get pissed off and they have the means to do so much damage so easily. Very
bad release valve.
>> >I read that if the driver of the car had to sit on the
>> >front of the car the accident rate would see a dramatic improvment.If
>>
>> Yes, the air pressure makes one slow down a bit. ;> Walking is even better.
>> ;)))
>
>I would go for bicycle riding :-)
Yes, great idea, I didn't do that in quite a while unfortunately. :( ;))
>I love those exchange.
:))
>And i keep in mind that i have absolutely no idea what must of been day to
day
>life in croatia during the war there.
It was less fun than now, that's for sure. :))
>Thanks for sharing some impressions on
>that. Internet is a great tool towards a deeper peace and understanding
amongs
>countries.
Yes, it is almost as good as the astral travel. :)) I love it! :)))
Take care! :) :*
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:23:23 -1000 (HST)
From: Srinivasan Veerasakthi <vasan01ATnospamibm.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Hi all,
I practice Kundalini yoga for more than 9 years.
I've achieved reaching the kundalini shakti till my
anahata chakra(heart center).
The effects i feel are terrific. I found every word
in Bhagawad Gita and upanishads talks about the
state of mine. But for with like minded people i cannot
share my experience with anyone else. I am an Indian,
Every one in my family enormously pressurising me to marry.
Anybody who have the Kundalini experience will know that
play, passion and any material achievements are nothing
compared to the Universal experience. Could any one
help me out with advice on how to find a like minded girl.
Thanks
Srini
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:40:22 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Srinivasan Veerasakthi wrote:
> Every one in my family enormously pressurising me to marry.
Sit quietly in the center of this pressure.
> Anybody who have the Kundalini experience will know that
> play, passion and any material achievements are nothing
> compared to the Universal experience. Could any one
> help me out with advice on how to find a like minded girl.
Is this the real issue?Who would you really love to find?
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:36:04 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: BB Guns, Back Pain, Acupuncture & Hot Flashes (??)
Message-ID: <34EF48C5.5653FA42ATnospamerols.com>
Greetings Michele!
Have you seen the bumper sticker, "They're not hot flashes, they're power
surges!" Gotta get me one...
(Somehow I doubt they know how right they are.)
Blessings,
Orea
P.S. My gut says "get rid of the BB!" It's causing more havoc than you think.
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 23:39:39 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Solving the Iraqi Crisis
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Hi Gloria! :)
At 11:11 1998.02.21 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
>Gloria: The fact is nobody can judge this experience until they have
>been there.
That is probably true. You just can't describe some things. A cluster bomb
flew over my apartment and exploded a few hundred meters from here. And I
am not even close to what was the front line. What were my feelings? "Where
the #$%&# are you aiming, idiot? What did I do to you? I am minding my own
business and you throw bombs at me! You're a #$%#&/$ idiot and should have
your head examined!" :)))) The joke is, the Serb idiot was not aiming at
all - he was shooting at the biggest populated area around, he just wanted
to kill as much people as possible - he didn't care, he knew nothing about
me, but if he managed to kill me, he probably would have felt good about
it. That's why I'm so pissed, this was not a war, war is when the two
armies kick each other's ass, not bombing populated area with no military
significance. Serbs don't even know how to make war, they just park their
guns at a safe distance and shoot, and make sure the target is big enough
so they don't have to aim coz they're always too drunk to do it right. ;>
;))) Actually, when I've read Tolkien's description of the Orcs, I actually
thought he was describing the Serbs, it is so similar I laughed my ass off.
:)) Exactly the same mentality - Tolkien indeed was a genius. :)
>And to live through it has to be an experience you will
>never forget.
Well, I have no problem with that at all - I can relive the emotions if I
want to - I did it in a last couple of messages, but no blocks whatsoever
attached to that; I just seem to channel some of the Croatian stuff here so
you can all get the feel of it. :)
>It would be wonderful if love would just erase the hurt
>and pain from humanity, but that isn't where it is yet. Perhaps at some
>time, but we have to live from here, don't we?
Well, as tg says, time wounds all heels. :))))))) LOL :)))))))
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:16:04 -0700
From: Stuart <stuartfATnospamdimensional.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: More of us?
Message-ID: <34EF6032.A6078077ATnospamdimensional.com>
Ok...I'll contribute my two cents.
> 1. How many of us have meditated
> a. Just starting out. Although I've done some visualization things in the past.
>
> Now I'm attempting to following road of pratayhara, dharana, .....
>
> > 2. How many of us chant or pray
>
> a. Have done plenty of chanting and praying. Everything from prayers out of the
> union bible, psalms, Thelemic, bhajans, mantra, and decreeing :)
>
> > 3. How many of us do hatha yoga exercises with or without mediation
>
> a. Tried a hatha class once and couldn't hack it. Never returned and not sure I
> will ever practice any hatha yoga. I might integrate some asans though down the
> road into my daily practice.
>
> > 4. how many of us have experienced Near Death Experiences (NDE's) or Out of
> a. Never
>
>
> > 5. Are any of us still agnostic
>
> a. not agnostic , waiting to see though where the path will lead too.
>
> > 6. How many of us have experienced Shaktipat
>
> a. yes, not the traditional type.
>
> Thanks
Stuart
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 15:37:42 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
CC: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Solving the Iraqi Crisis
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Danijel Turina wrote:
>
> Hi Gloria! :)
Gg
It is impossible to intellectualize some things that happen in our
world, and indeed you can't be a part of the drama without having some
karmic connection to it, which we all experience. Here in America we see
terrible violence on our streets, where I live it is pretty calm but it
is here as well. The town I grew up in was very small and we didn't even
lock our doors. So, even though I see the pictures on TV it is not a
direct experience.
What you describe is a form of maddness where life doesn't have any
value, where hate has removed all sense of caring and consideration for
life. Wouldn't it be wonderful if it could be eraseed & humans would no
longer deal with problems through violence, but it just isn't that
simple, is it?
What do you know about Medjugorje? Have you been there?
>
>
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 00:36:00 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Mike Oldfield
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Hiya all! :)
I was just wondering... there were a few recommendations of music,
literature etc., and I never read any of you guys talk about Mike
Oldfield's music - which is a total mystery to me since all of us
Cro-maniacs are completely crazy about him. :) Now _THAT_ is Kundalini
music. :)) Shaktipat guitar + tubular bells, oh yeah. :)) My personal
approximate top list looks like this:
1. Tubular Bells II
2. The Songs of distant Earth
3. The complete Mike Oldfield (2 CDs)
4. Amarok
5. Islands
6. QE2
7. Voyager
8. Discovery
9. Tubular Bells I
10.Five miles out
You've GOT to hear this, you won't regret it. :)
Especially the concert part - from the "The complete..", 2nd CD - platinum
finale and Mt. Teidi. I can actually feel him feed the audience from the
crown, I've never heard or felt anything like it anywhere.
But warning: once you get used to _that_, you won't be able to return to
the other "music". ;)))
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 15:46:26 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
CC: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Solving the Iraqi Crisis
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Danijel Turina wrote:
>
> Hi Gloria! :)
>
> At 11:11 1998.02
Danijel wrote:
The joke is, the Serb idiot was not aiming at
> all - he was shooting at the biggest populated area around, he just wanted
> to kill as much people as possible - he didn't care, he knew nothing about
> me, but if he managed to kill me, he probably would have felt good about
> it.
GG
This is a very big problem, Clinton has come out and said if America
goes to war we will not go for populalated areas, however, they expect
Saddamm will wipe out areas to make it look like the US did it. I
certainly feel for those people since they are in the middle of it and
in harms way no matter what they do. Interesting circumstances for sure,
my heart goes out to them. Do you feel peace would continue in Bosnia if
the US pulls out? Or would it start up again?
> I just seem to channel some of the Croatian stuff here so
> you can all get the feel of it. :)
GG
Thanks for sharing.
>
>
> E-mail : dturinaATnospamusa.net
> Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 01:31:27
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: BB Guns, Back Pain, Acupuncture & Hot Flashes (??)
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At 01:34 21/02/98 EST, MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>Woke up at 4 AM w/the most intense neck & shoulder pain of my life!
>Immediately set up appt w/acupuncturist.....>I mentioned the bb in my
>knee, the numbness in my leg, and that the surgeon said it had nothing to do
>with my pain. He said, "No, it's the bb."
Well, figure if a few tiny needles in your body for a few minutes can
have such a powerful effect, what kind of effect is having a lump of metal
in your body all the time going to have?
(He was concise as well as calm.)
The good ones are..they are in a slightly altered state, all the better
to see you with.. sensing your energy moving.
>On a related note...I've been doing Mystress's grounding meditations for
>several days now, & from the moment I started, could feel things moving!
>(tingling feet and heat moving up to the top of my head) I was quite excited
>about this heat...& then, on an impulse, decided to look up "menopause/hot
>flashes" on the 'net. (I'm 42, so I'm "in the ballpark.") And of course,
all
>the descriptions of hot flashes I read matched my new experiences exactly!
>
>What I found interesting was that, I've NEVER had a "hot flash" before this
>wk. "They" started happening the 1ST TIME I did the grounding meditaion!
Well, that is verry interesting.. folks tell me tales of the effects of
the site, I love to hear them, but that is new.. for the website..
Digging in my head for precedents..
...comes to mind an event last summer.. a meeting I was in, a menopausal
crone witch of our community to got up to speak her truth about a very
emotional abuse incident.. she was cryng and trying to speak, so I got up
and stood behnd her, put my hand on her back and gave her supportive energy
so she could express herself. Ten minutes later, I was still in the
meeting, she was strolling the parking lot to calm down when she got what
she said was the hottest hot flash of her entire life.. she had never felt
anything like it, and she knew it ws from my energy.. I felt, that it had
been burning away the fear she had been expressing...that I had been trying
to support her past, so she sould speak.
Another awakened ladyfriend gets hot and sweats when ever she gives me a
healing massage.. she is forty, and we recently wondered if the effects
could be connected to hot flashes. She thought not, comparing them to a
friend who has very violent ones...
Hmmm..
I have been feeling them of course for some time.. but I am nowhere near
menopausal, although I am clear in my heart that I don't want children. I
have had some pretty erratic hormone levels at times, tho.. from not
ovulating at all, when I was about 20lbs overweight, to having beginning
lactation symptoms when I was very slender..
Was it Morgana who said that K. causes a rise in estrogen, in women? I
think so.. What think, o Wyze one?
>So now I'm analyzing menopause's k-connection. Interesting that women
receive
>the k-charge about the time they cease to be able to bear children. (As a
>"psychic" type, I'm predicting that mine won't last very long, however.)
Well, K-fired probably not, I'd guess..
My speculation is, .. if the K-fire is connected to semen retention in
the male, as some books say.. redirecting the energy of creation up the
spine.... and women release an egg every month no matter what, perhaps
menopausal syptoms for women, is the egg energy rising up the spine?
I do know in wiccan women's magic, menopause marks a transition into
greater magical power.. women's power is held in the blood of creation,
released back to the earth at the turning of the moon.. the crone is most
powerful, because she can hold the blood in, her power does not waver with
the moon.
The "red energy moving upwards"?
>
>Am int'd in other women's comments about all this. And what about you men
out
>there...are you having "hot flashes, too?
Well, if that's what it is, then thinking about it, my male slaves are
getting hot flashes too.. and a sweat-heat reaction has been noted before
as a reaction to the Shaktizap online that happens on this list... any
newbies notice reading K-list mail makes you sweat and tingle? K-fire rides
the net.. shakti blesses our community..
Blessings, Mystress.
Still having fun--Michele
>
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
-- Harry Emerson Fosdick
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 01:27:02 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Solving the Iraqi Crisis
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Hi Gloria! :)
>Gg
>It is impossible to intellectualize some things that happen in our
>world, and indeed you can't be a part of the drama without having some
>karmic connection to it, which we all experience.
Yes, exactly.
> What you describe is a form of maddness where life doesn't have any
>value, where hate has removed all sense of caring and consideration for
>life.
You've got it perfectly. :) It was exactly that, pure destructive force,
chaos, destruction, death. One _must_ confront that or everything is lost.
The only problem is not to become like it, to fight for, and not against.
The motive must be pure - some people went to war for the wrong reasons and
have cracked, they have sustained intense and severe emotional trauma. The
ones that went to fight driven by hate, not love. They became what they
were fighting against. These are not things to be taken lightly, very
serious stuff.
>Wouldn't it be wonderful if it could be eraseed & humans would no
>longer deal with problems through violence, but it just isn't that
>simple, is it?
Nope. :) It is a matter of evolution, not intervention. :) It must come
from within. Pure love can help greatly though.
> What do you know about Medjugorje? Have you been there?
No, I haven't, but I feel it as a powerful Shakti-spot, quite real and deep.
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 01:29:05 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
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Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Solving the Iraqi Crisis
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Hi Gloria! :)
> The joke is, the Serb idiot was not aiming at
>> all - he was shooting at the biggest populated area around, he just wanted
>> to kill as much people as possible - he didn't care, he knew nothing about
>> me, but if he managed to kill me, he probably would have felt good about
>> it.
>
>GG
>This is a very big problem, Clinton has come out and said if America
>goes to war we will not go for populalated areas, however, they expect
>Saddamm will wipe out areas to make it look like the US did it. I
>certainly feel for those people since they are in the middle of it and
>in harms way no matter what they do.
That's exactly why I hate these wars. There is no clear line between
civilians and the military.
>Interesting circumstances for sure,
>my heart goes out to them. Do you feel peace would continue in Bosnia if
>the US pulls out? Or would it start up again?
I really don't know, it probably wouldn't be difficult to find something
that would start it all over again - but I doubt it would last this time -
the balance of power is now so much in favor of the Croats that it wouldn't
make much of a war. If it starts, the Serbs would be wiped out almost
immediately, and then it is highly likely that Croats and Muslims would
turn at each other. There is practically no significant positive force that
would join people there. The vibe is so violent and abrasive there it
probably mostly resembles a prison or a ghetto - and that is mildly said.
If you can imagine two LA street gangs shooting at each other with
automatic weapons, and infuse that with national, religious and other
prejudice, you would come close. Things there are not even imaginable in a
warm and civilized environment you and I live in. You simply can not tune
into that unless you've met a person who was ready to shoot you on the spot
because he didn't like something that you've said, or who you are.
>> I just seem to channel some of the Croatian stuff here so
>> you can all get the feel of it. :)
>
>GG
>Thanks for sharing.
:) :* :)
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