1998/02/21 14:39
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #141
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 141
Today's Topics:
Re: greetings [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: Solving the Iraqi Cr [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net> ]
Re Solving [ Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co. ]
Re: Solving [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net> ]
Re: A short note, but maybe importan [ Esnshl4meATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Solving the Iraqi Crisis [ "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> ]
RE: More of us? [ Paul Fallon <pawlATnospamfirstnet.co.uk> ]
Re: More of us? [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ "Mark S. Waind" <gandm.waindATnospamsympat ]
Re: 11:11 [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Re: Solving the Iraqi Crisis [ "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> ]
Re: greetings [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ]
Re: A short note, but maybe importan [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: More of us? [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Off topic [ dcondreaATnospampcnet.pcnet.ro (Blizzard) ]
Re: Solving the Iraqi Crisis [ Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: Solving [ Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: Solving the Iraqi Cr [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Green snake dream [ Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:27:15
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Angela Mary Broad <ambroadATnospamacs.ucalgary.ca>
Cc: nik thomas <starryeyeATnospamhotmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: greetings
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Hi Angie:
At 15:58 20/02/98 -0700, Angela Mary Broad wrote:
>Hello Niko
>
>I am a fellow seeker of knowlage in all of the areas you mentioned. I am
>a 19 year old female in Calgary, Alberta, currently studying art and music
>at the University of Calgary.
Well, Yeehaa, I am a cowtown grrl also.. I was born there and I studied
acting at the Uof C.. same faculty buildings, eh? Bermuda shorts day...
> What caught my attention is your experiance
>with the little white dots. <...>
>It's good to know another learning, growing human being who has seen this.
>Look for them in your own aura too. :)
>
>Love and Light to All
> Angie
Yes indeedy, I remember them well.. even as a child, seeing them dancing
in the snow and in the clear blue sky air.. it took me some time to get
used to the difference in the energy when I moved to Vancouver.. here, it
comes from the sea.. in Calgary, it is in the wind.. those great chinook
winds coming blasting over the Rockies are loaded with it!
I think that is why they make some folks sick.. they can't handle the
vibe shift, as well as the air pressure changing drastically in 5 minutes..
makes for good fun doing weather magic tho.. responsive clouds.
The last Apt I had in Calgary, was on the 15th floor of the twin towers
on the hill northwest of campus.. a corner suite, open to mountains and
city and wind.. I used to love to go out on my balcony of a moonlit
evening, and soak up the wild energy of the wind until I became possessed
of it.. and felt myself a wild wind Goddess who knew not speech. Used to
scare my fella at the time.. She was not dangerous to him. he was dangerous
to me..
Yeah.. one thing I miss about Calgary is those magical winds.. yummy!
>
p.s. This list is wonderfull! I'm a newbie-lurker and am having lots of
>fun and laughs reading all of your posts! Thank you so much :)
>
>Kindest, most enthusiastic regards.
>
Verry cool.. welcome to the community..
Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
-- Harry Emerson Fosdick
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:27:35 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Solving the Iraqi Crisis
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980221102735.00a5d2e0ATnospampop.netaddress.com>
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Hi Gloria! :)
At 18:18 1998.02.20 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
>Thanks for your perspective, it is good to see it through local eyes.
>Gloria
I tried to look at it from a distance... with the eye of an analyst -
Mystress would probably say I was channeling the Greys. :)) I probably do
that sometimes. :) It wasn't a thing one could get detached from. It had to
be fought, so we did - otherwise I wouldn't be writing this, I would
probably be killed, tortured in a slave camp or imprisoned - just like it
happened in the parts of Croatia and Bosnia that were overrun by the Serbs.
It was Mordor, Cirith Ungol - for those who have read Tolkien's LOTR. We
had to unite, be prepared, militarily trained in order just to survive. The
thing that hurt us all most were the idiots from the international
community who came to _us_ talking about peace. I remember a woman from the
Greenpeace, strongly left-oriented, anti-war, anti-weapons; she came to
Croatia to lecture us about tolerance and love and similar things she
thought we needed in the uncivilized country filled with hate. So some of
our folks have shown her some of the things - vandalized churches (statues
of Jesus and Mary with eyes poked out, shit on the altar etc.), the front
line - the actual reality. Guess what happened, the woman actually woke up
and started lobbying for the lifting of the arms embargo on Croatia - the
things were so plane and simple here we were losing patience with the
lecturing, uninformed pompous idiots who were trying to teach us the
culture and tolerance. We had all that, we needed heavy guns and airplanes
so we would have something more than pistols for stopping the tanks that
were destroying our towns and villages and killing our people. One
question: if love is enough, why do Vishnu and Shiva carry weapons? Because
sometimes they are the best instrument of love.
I would suggest anyone who hasn't yet read The Lord of The Rings to do
that. It can teach so much about courage, about determination and facing
the evil. It is not about withdrawal, surrendering this world to the
negative forces and leaving with the Ashtar command lightships of love to a
nicer dimension (Vallinor probably:) - it is about materializing love here,
descending the power, expressing the Divine here and now. And sometimes one
just has to fight - being quite ready to stop the evil with your life if
necessary, and even kill if necessary, otherwise it would mean chaos. When
you are facing those things, positive thoughts about peace and love aren't
worth shit, love must be expressed as courage, determination and valor.
Otherwise, "love" of the cowards will cause the growth of evil and hate,
and bring chaos and hell to the Earth. The Muslims in Bosnia tried that -
peace and love approach. And they were so viciously butchered and massacred
it is beyond every reason. The Croats decided to stand up and fight - and
have won. "Peace and love" thoughts have brought Bosnia to the utter chaos
it is in now, and courage has brought Croatia to a great victory over a
violent and superior enemy.
(Here I go writing novels again;)
-----
E-mail : dturinaATnospamusa.net
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:41:53 GMT
From: Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re Solving
Message-ID: <1998022111415384101ATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
Dear Soul/ Danijel
I read with interest all your postings and am in agreement on most
of what you say. Baba is against violence except as a last resort,
the problem is when is it a last resort? If none of the parties
involved had been sold weapons in the first place then the problem
would not be so great. In ancient times it was somtimes the case that
a fight between the champion of each side would decide the end
result, now the instigators are not to be found within miles of the
battle field. I read that if the driver of the car had to sit on the
front of the car the accident rate would see a dramatic improvment.If
Hitler had been stoped early on the amount of suffering would have
been greatly reduced, again the difficulty is that he was almost
worshiped by his people and basically did what he thought his race
wanted. In some ways he was a better salesman for God than Jesus
because as a result of the atrocities commited many turned to God who
perhaps would not have otherwise even thought of our Maker.
In short I do not know the answer and all I can personally do is
meditate for peace and Gods will to prevail.
Love Chris
Sai Ram
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 13:23:40 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Solving
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980221132340.00a6d310ATnospampop.netaddress.com>
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Hi Chris! :)
At 11:41 1998.02.21 GMT, Chris Hughes wrote:
>Dear Soul/ Danijel
> I read with interest all your postings and am in agreement on most
>of what you say. Baba is against violence except as a last resort,
>the problem is when is it a last resort?
Yes, but I think everyone says it is a last resort all the time, so it
doesn't count for much. :)
>If none of the parties
>involved had been sold weapons in the first place then the problem
>would not be so great.
In former Yugoslavia the problem was exactly the opposite - none of the
sides _were_ sold any weapons, but have in mind that the Serbs had the
entire self-sustained military force of their own (just like Iraq, similar
stuff), and the rest of us could mostly throw rocks at their tanks.
Therefore, not giving us means to defend ourselves was an atrocious crime
committed by the international community against Croatia and Bosnia. Still,
we managed to survive - stole some of the weapons from the Serbs, smuggled
some from the international black market, and made our own military
industry that now produces ships, submarines, the latest generation of
tanks, cannons and light weapons of all sorts. Practically, we managed to
produce everything except aircrafts and missiles (we did however manage to
produce an improved electronical guidance system for Saab cruising
missiles; international experts fell on their ass when our experts told
them what they did). It was a good lesson about the "neutrality" and "the
desire for peace" by the international community. When one has those things
in mind, it turns out that they simply waited for the Serbs to overrun and
kill us, and our major sin was trying to stay alive. And look what, now
that we are well armed, there is suddenly no war at all? Now why do you
think that happened..? ;))))
>In ancient times it was somtimes the case that
>a fight between the champion of each side would decide the end
>result, now the instigators are not to be found within miles of the
>battle field.
Yes, it was a much better way of solving the conflicts. :) Actually they
don't even need to use the weapons, a nice tennis match would do - having
Goran Ivanisevic and Iva Majoli in mind, we should be quite a force, unless
we go to a war with the USA. ;)))))) LOL :)))))
>I read that if the driver of the car had to sit on the
>front of the car the accident rate would see a dramatic improvment.If
Yes, the air pressure makes one slow down a bit. ;> Walking is even better.
;)))
>Hitler had been stoped early on the amount of suffering would have
>been greatly reduced, again the difficulty is that he was almost
>worshiped by his people and basically did what he thought his race
>wanted.
It again comes to what I usually say: people choose their governments, not
the other way around. After all, Hitler was elected democratically, and as
you say, worshipped almost as a deity.
>In some ways he was a better salesman for God than Jesus
>because as a result of the atrocities commited many turned to God who
>perhaps would not have otherwise even thought of our Maker.
Oh well, that's probably why Angelique says he went to heaven. ;))))) LOL
:))))
>In short I do not know the answer and all I can personally do is
>meditate for peace and Gods will to prevail.
:) Nice hearing from you Chris, take care! :))
-----
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Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 07:55:01 EST
From: Esnshl4meATnospamaol.com
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A short note, but maybe important
Message-ID: <8589598f.34eecea7ATnospamaol.com>
Yes, Gloria... a very important note. For this one, a message to allow God's
expression by getting back to action, into service. Thank you!
Love,
Cher
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 07:58:58 -0500
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com>
To: <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>, <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Solving the Iraqi Crisis
Message-Id: <199802211259.HAA07148ATnospamsandia.aug.com>
Dear Bill and Saddam,
OK here's the plan:
You Saddam agree to open All sites open for inspection, not only for U.N.
inspectors but for every person in the world who wants to see for themselves.
The result will be that Iraq will become a prime tourist attraction and soon
will draw great wealth from opening its doors to everyone. Overnight Iraq
will convert from a pariah state to a role model of openness, peace, and love.
Then the world will love happily every after.
Case closed. :-)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 13:15:37 -0000
From: Paul Fallon <pawlATnospamfirstnet.co.uk>
To: "'DruoutATnospamaol.com'" <DruoutATnospamaol.com>,
"'MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com'"
<MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>
Cc: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: More of us?
Message-ID: <01BD3ECA.F6B64C20ATnospamjota6.legend.co.uk>
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I'd love it if you, or others would add new questions to the poll! I'd like
to add:
"How many of us have experienced Shaktipat (Enlightment via Guru)."
no
1. How many of us have meditated
yes
2. How many of us chant or pray
Cant: No. I guess we all pray in our ways.
3. How many of us do hatha yoga exercises with or without mediation
no
4. how many of us have experienced Near Death Experiences (NDE's) or Out of
body experiences (OBE)
yes to both
4. Are any of us still agnostic
Yes. This means believer, but not follower of particular creed, yes?
6. How many of us have experienced Shaktipat
No
Paul
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:20:47 EST
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: pawlATnospamfirstnet.co.uk, DruoutATnospamaol.com, MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: More of us?
Message-ID: <376010c3.34eee2c1ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-02-21 08:18:50 EST, pawlATnospamfirstnet.co.uk writes:
<< "How many of us have experienced Shaktipat (Enlightment via Guru)."
no >>
Harsha writes: Perhaps you need to find out more about Shaktipat. It is not
identical to Enlightenment or anything remotely close.
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 05:58:04 -1000 (HST)
From: "Mark S. Waind" <gandm.waindATnospamsympatico.ca>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <199802211558.FAA23917ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
LOST MAIL:
Anyone who sent me an E-mail between Friday and Saturday,
Feb. 20th and 21st, please resend as 23 messages were lost.
Thanks, Mark
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:51:15 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 11:11
Message-ID: <34EF0602.DA8620BAATnospambryant.edu>
Am wrote:
> We are EVERYTHING and we are NOTHING
>
> Harsha writes: EVERYTHING and NOTHING can wait. Find out who the "WE" refers
> to.
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:19:30 -0500
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Cc: <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: Solving the Iraqi Crisis
Message-Id: <199802211719.MAA22766ATnospamsandia.aug.com>
Hey, maybe we all have it wrong! Could be that Bill and Saddam are nothing
but puppets and that we all are playing our part in this 'Grand Puppet Show'
called "Desert Storm ll"
Question is: who is really pulling the strings?
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:51:56 -0800
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
To: "nik thomas" <starryeyeATnospamhotmail.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>),
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: greetings
Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980221095156.006b4230ATnospammail.inreach.com>
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At 02:26 PM 2/20/98, nik thomas wrote:
> i like to >after raising my vibration level lay on the grass and watch
squiggly white dots float into the tips of trees, that one always trips
people out when i bring it up. Does anyone else do that??
What no red dots? Watch them swirl around merging with one another...
don't have to lie on the grass and look up, I just look up towards the sky
or sometimes in a room where there's a bright light.
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:29:21 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Esnshl4meATnospamaol.com
CC: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A short note, but maybe important
Message-ID: <34EE9E70.74F7ATnospamintercomm.com>
Esnshl4meATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> Yes, Gloria... a very important note. For this one, a message to allow God's
> expression by getting back to action, into service. Thank you!
>
> Love,
> Cher
Cher,
One of the best things people can do in learning to work the inner
process is to do whatever it takes to get out of self involvement. And
when you are open to action in the terms of doing without attachment to
the results, it is very powerful and is helpful in this regard. Karma
yoga is working for the service of humanity.
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:20:55 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: More of us?
Message-ID: <34EF1B07.1A76385FATnospamerols.com>
I answered before the last question was added: Shaktipat, no. Plan to in a
few months.
Blessings,
Orea
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 21:07:43
From: dcondreaATnospampcnet.pcnet.ro (Blizzard)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Off topic
Message-ID: <10ATnospamdcondrea.pcnet.ro>
Hello,
I need a programm to calcutate the sun rise and the sun set on
diffrent location if I know the latitude and longitude.
Also a site where I can find this it's good.
Thank you a lot,
Codrin
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:45:51 -0500
From: Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: Ed Arrons <eeaATnospamaug.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Solving the Iraqi Crisis
Message-ID: <34EF2EEE.A81FA07CATnospamconcentric.net>
Ed Arrons wrote:
> Hey, maybe we all have it wrong! Could be that Bill and Saddam are nothing
> but puppets and that we all are playing our part in this 'Grand Puppet Show'
> called "Desert Storm ll"
>
> Question is: who is really pulling the strings?
If one person is responsible we all are.
Each time we go to purchase a simple light bulb, we feed the "war" machine as
individual. For pennies more we could put light bulbs on the market that last
for almost a life time. But go say that to the companies who make them, where
would be there profit??? It's for us to ask each time we buy a light bulb,
why don't you build some that last longer...
For me a light bulb is like a small grenade we have at home. Something that's
is calculated to blow after a period a time and we need to go and purchase
another. And we all do. We feed the war machine every day. And that on many
levels...
Each time we use fossil fuel for no given reason, leaving a light own, taking
the car for no reason, with give weigh to those who have power over petroleum...
Antoine
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 15:15:17 -0500
From: Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Solving
Message-ID: <34EF35D4.2A56FA1FATnospamconcentric.net>
Hello Chris and Danijel,
> >Dear Soul/ Danijel
> > I read with interest all your postings and am in agreement on most
> >of what you say. Baba is against violence except as a last resort,
> >the problem is when is it a last resort?
>
> Yes, but I think everyone says it is a last resort all the time, so it
> doesn't count for much. :)
I would like to bring attention to the Tibetan and Chinese conflict here.
> >If none of the parties
> >involved had been sold weapons in the first place then the problem
> >would not be so great.
>
> In former Yugoslavia the problem was exactly the opposite - none of the
> sides _were_ sold any weapons, but have in mind that the Serbs had the
> entire self-sustained military force of their own (just like Iraq, similar
> stuff), and the rest of us could mostly throw rocks at their tanks.
Like the Tibetans when they where invaded by the Chinese.
> Therefore, not giving us means to defend ourselves was an atrocious crime
> committed by the international community against Croatia and Bosnia.
Same for the Tibetans, No one really did care in the world when they where
invaded because they add nothing of material value. (I wonder what would append
if Saddham would invade Rome, and take the pope for hostage :-))))
> Still,
> we managed to survive - stole some of the weapons from the Serbs, smuggled
> some from the international black market, and made our own military
> industry that now produces ships, submarines, the latest generation of
> tanks, cannons and light weapons of all sorts. Practically, we managed to
> produce everything except aircrafts and missiles (we did however manage to
> produce an improved electronical guidance system for Saab cruising
> missiles; international experts fell on their ass when our experts told
> them what they did). It was a good lesson about the "neutrality" and "the
> desire for peace" by the international community. When one has those things
> in mind, it turns out that they simply waited for the Serbs to overrun and
> kill us, and our major sin was trying to stay alive. And look what, now
> that we are well armed, there is suddenly no war at all? Now why do you
> think that happened..? ;))))
The same for the Tibetans, but on a cultural level, who in a flash, less than a
generation learned, our culture and language and managed to survive more and
more buy the only fact that they are the closest community applying in a living
day to day matter what other preach as individuals.
> >In ancient times it was somtimes the case that
> >a fight between the champion of each side would decide the end
> >result, now the instigators are not to be found within miles of the
> >battle field.
>
> Yes, it was a much better way of solving the conflicts. :) Actually they
> don't even need to use the weapons, a nice tennis match would do - having
> Goran Ivanisevic and Iva Majoli in mind, we should be quite a force, unless
> we go to a war with the USA. ;)))))) LOL :)))))
This is something that as been studied very carefully by political scientist,
mostly under Kennedy, how to replace war by peace. Promotion of fear in
ecology, promotion of sports to let the "adrenaline" out, to replace
populations desire to fight, is very real as a medium of cleansing. Communitie
need such Devas until they come to touch to Reality.
> >I read that if the driver of the car had to sit on the
> >front of the car the accident rate would see a dramatic improvment.If
>
> Yes, the air pressure makes one slow down a bit. ;> Walking is even better.
> ;)))
I would go for bicycle riding :-)
I love those exchange.
And i keep in mind that i have absolutely no idea what must of been day to day
life in croatia during the war there. Thanks for sharing some impressions on
that. Internet is a great tool towards a deeper peace and understanding amongs
countries.
Antoine
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:11:44 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
CC: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Solving the Iraqi Crisis
Message-ID: <34EEA85C.5B75ATnospamintercomm.com>
Gloria: The fact is nobody can judge this experience until they have
been there. And to live through it has to be an experience you will
never forget. It would be wonderful if love would just erase the hurt
and pain from humanity, but that isn't where it is yet. Perhaps at some
time, but we have to live from here, don't we?
Danijel Turina wrote:
>
>
> I tried to look at it from a distance... with the eye of an analyst -
> Mystress would probably say I was channeling the Greys. :)) I probably do
> that sometimes. :) It wasn't a thing one could get detached from. It had to
> be fought, so we did - otherwise I wouldn't be writing this, I would
> probably be killed, tortured in a slave camp or imprisoned - just like it
> happened in the parts of Croatia and Bosnia that were overrun by the Serbs.
> It was Mordor, Cirith Ungol - for those who have read Tolkien's LOTR. We
> had to unite, be prepared, militarily trained in order just to survive. The
> thing that hurt us all most were the idiots from the international
> community who came to _us_ talking about peace. I remember a woman from the
> Greenpeace, strongly left-oriented, anti-war, anti-weapons; she came to
> Croatia to lecture us about tolerance and love and similar things she
> thought we needed in the uncivilized country filled with hate. So some of
> our folks have shown her some of the things - vandalized churches (statues
> of Jesus and Mary with eyes poked out, shit on the altar etc.), the front
> line - the actual reality. Guess what happened, the woman actually woke up
> and started lobbying for the lifting of the arms embargo on Croatia - the
> things were so plane and simple here we were losing patience with the
> lecturing, uninformed pompous idiots who were trying to teach us the
> culture and tolerance. We had all that, we needed heavy guns and airplanes
> so we would have something more than pistols for stopping the tanks that
> were destroying our towns and villages and killing our people. One
> question: if love is enough, why do Vishnu and Shiva carry weapons? Because
> sometimes they are the best instrument of love.
> I would suggest anyone who hasn't yet read The Lord of The Rings to do
> that. It can teach so much about courage, about determination and facing
> the evil. It is not about withdrawal, surrendering this world to the
> negative forces and leaving with the Ashtar command lightships of love to a
> nicer dimension (Vallinor probably:) - it is about materializing love here,
> descending the power, expressing the Divine here and now. And sometimes one
> just has to fight - being quite ready to stop the evil with your life if
> necessary, and even kill if necessary, otherwise it would mean chaos. When
> you are facing those things, positive thoughts about peace and love aren't
> worth shit, love must be expressed as courage, determination and valor.
> Otherwise, "love" of the cowards will cause the growth of evil and hate,
> and bring chaos and hell to the Earth. The Muslims in Bosnia tried that -
> peace and love approach. And they were so viciously butchered and massacred
> it is beyond every reason. The Croats decided to stand up and fight - and
> have won. "Peace and love" thoughts have brought Bosnia to the utter chaos
> it is in now, and courage has brought Croatia to a great victory over a
> violent and superior enemy.
>
> (Here I go writing novels again;)
>
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:40:06 -0700
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Green snake dream
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I've been dreaming of animals lately. Two nights ago, I dreamt there
were monkeys swinging from the trees as I drove through California. (I
don't live there.) Then last night I had a dream where I passed on a
note to a friend of mine which described what love meant. Then it gets
vague but I seem to remember potting a plant. The soil surrounding the
plant was in a canvas bag. As I removed the plant, a beautiful green
snake emerged. At first I was startled but then I was fascinated.
I would appreciate any feedback on what a green snake might mean in a
dream.
Thanks!
Nancy
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