1998/02/21 00:15
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #140
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 140
Today's Topics:
greetings [ "nik thomas" <starryeyeATnospamhotmail.com ]
Re: More of us? [ "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net ]
Taking a break [ Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> ]
Re: greetings [ Angela Mary Broad <ambroadATnospamacs.ucal ]
Re: greetings [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: white descent and red ascent [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: More of us? [ Jay071070ATnospamaol.com ]
Re: More of us [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: More of us? [ John Rosevear <jacflashATnospamshore.net> ]
Re: More of us? [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: More of us [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ]
Re: More of us? [ MeadowartATnospamaol.com ]
Eyelids [ Eve Kochel <batwomanATnospamfull-moon.com> ]
11:11 [ Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net> ]
Re: Interim poll results [ MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com ]
Re: More of us? [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: A short note, but maybe importan [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
BB Guns, Back Pain, Acupuncture & Ho [ MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com ]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:26:30
From: "nik thomas" <starryeyeATnospamhotmail.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: greetings
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grtings friends---
my name is niko. i live in San Luis Obispo California and am interested
in khundilini yoga for it's energy expanding intrinsics. i practice a
zazen sitting meditation i learned at a Buddhist monastary in Talmage Ca
and have come to a point where i need to learn more about the practice
and am interested in expanding into other forms and practices. i am a
20 yr old male majoring in horticulture and minoring in television,
radio, film production at Cuest College. i study informally all means
of energy expression and manipulation i know about which is quite
limited but include detection of auras and chakra points, Tai Ch'i, Kong
Fu, zazen, stretch and attempt mindfullness at all times. i like to
after raising my vibration level lay on the grass and watch squiggly
white dots float into the tips of trees, that one always trips people
out when i bring it up. Does anyone else do that?? i would very much
like to learn of people practicing energy consiousness in the San Luis
or Central Coast area, i am originally from mendocino county. i wish
all well on our journey aopre to hear from yall. --niko
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:22:36 -0500
From: "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
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Subject: Re: More of us?
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1. How many of us have meditated......YES
2. How many of us chant or pray........YES
3. How many of us do hatha yoga exercises with or without mediation...YES
4. how many of us have experienced Near Death Experiences (NDE's)...NO
or Out of
body experiences (OBE)......YES, but mostly in teen and pre-teen years, or on
drugs....which could go into the early 20's.... (I'm 46)
5. Are any of us still agnostic.....NO, I WOULDN'T CALL IT THAT
6. How many of us have experienced Shaktipat.......YES
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:36:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Taking a break
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Dear ones,
I have to simplify my life for a bit. This kundalini/fever/detox is causing
me to get very little done on the computer. What I do get done is house and
kids and farm and chanting and lots of thoughts. I find myself tying myself
into knots over nothing, turning mountains into molehills and vice versa. No
sense of proportion.
Thank you all for being there, sharing your questions, your wisdom, your
worldview.
love and blessings,
Blythe
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:58:35 -0700 (MST)
From: Angela Mary Broad <ambroadATnospamacs.ucalgary.ca>
To: nik thomas <starryeyeATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: greetings
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Hello Niko
I am a fellow seeker of knowlage in all of the areas you mentioned. I am
a 19 year old female in Calgary, Alberta, currently studying art and music
at the University of Calgary. I have always been fascinated by all forms
of enrgy, human and cosmic. I have read much on everything from Carlos
Castenada to Richard Back to palmestry, astrology, the aura, the chakras,
reincarnation and crystals as tools for energy directing and expansion. I
am currently taking Tai Chi and find it a wonderfull way to open up,
ground myself and relax. It seems to free up the whole energy feild and
it's absolutly wonderfull. What caught my attention is your experiance
with the little white dots. I see them almost all the time and there are
black ones too. Do you notice the sky is to bright to look at somtimes
because of all the dots? I read in an aura-anatomy book that they are
orgone particles which are the building blocks for the etheric double and
are absorbed by everything, from us to the trees. Perhaps this IS prana?
It's good to know another learning, growing human being who has seen this.
Look for them in your own aura too. :)
Love and Light to All
Angie
p.s. This list is wonderfull! I'm a newbie-lurker and am having lots of
fun and laughs reading all of your posts! Thank you so much :)
Kindest, most enthusiastic regards.
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:34:16 EST
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: ambroadATnospamacs.ucalgary.ca, starryeyeATnospamhotmail.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: greetings
Message-ID: <b6cc22e.34ee2f1aATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-02-20 18:00:58 EST, ambroadATnospamacs.ucalgary.ca writes:
<< What caught my attention is your experiance
with the little white dots. I see them almost all the time and there are
black ones too. >>
Harsha writes: You see black and white dots. You may see many other things as
well. Who sees? Pay attention to the Seer!
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:58:00 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
CC: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com' heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: white descent and red ascent
Message-ID: <34EDB617.79CAATnospamintercomm.com>
Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
> Gloria,
> I think earlier we had a discussion about the role of the ``descent of
> grace'' and the crown cakra.
> The view that I have been adhering to is that the white descent from above
> and the red ascent from below are like two two pieces of a puzzle are two
> elements of a chemical reaction. In this regard neither can be considered
> superior or inferior.
Gg
It is my view that the pure fire coming down from the crown is indeed
bringing in Divine Will not only for the individual but for the planet
and humanity as a whole. So, whereas the red energy rising has to do
with individual evolvement, the energy from the 10th Chakra which is
pure Divine Will is indeed carrying consciousness of many levels, and
adjusts the inner soul/spirit capacity to work into the plan for service
to humanity. I call this divine will and purpose. We find ourselves in
this time really feeling the energy coming through of Divine Will and
Purpose do we not?
I see this as the important aspect of the hour, the 8th Chakra is
Divine Light, which is the step up from the seventh and the 9th is
Divine Love and then the next is Divine Will. So anytime we are reaching
through the heart center to that of Divine Will we are essentially
reaching high beyond ourselves into that of union with cosmic and
planetary missions and goals. This has been where my training is, and is
also why I put such emphasis on the gateway of the heart....being not
the physical heart, but subtle. And in the subtle heart or invisible
heart we really access cosmic awareness as well as human.
This heart is a huge dynamic that I don't believe is talked about very
much in terms of being that beyond the fourth chakra, this essene of
heart is far beyond this. I do believe Harsha and Indra have spoke about
this somewhat, this is the heart that will transcend the individual
capacity and open the doors to the cosmic. I believe even before the
crown is active people can begin to prepare for their destiny if they
learn how to plug into Divine Will. I don't know that this is what you
are talking about but it is what comes to me and I really don't see it
in any books. I also don't see the 8th, 9th and 10th Chakra's that are
above the head in books. I think this is why you made that note to
yourself years ago.
>
> Recently I reviewed some of my old personal diaries and I found an entry I
> made about 10 years ago:
> ``The white descent from above is the highest and purest energy to which I
> have access. I cannot come into contact with this energy without becoming
> more centered and compassionate.''
>
> Which got me thinking more about my direct experience and less about the
> models of experience that I have been given by the great traditions.
> Subjectively there does seem to be a superiority of the white descent. It
> has more qualities that we associate with evolution.
>
> Still I'm puzzled. There's a quote by Gurjieff that goes something like:
> ``Do not allow the lion [red ascending energy?] to devour the lamb [white
> descending energy?] or the lamb to soften the lion.'' So I am inclined
> again to return to the notion that the union of the compassionate white and
> the dynamic red energy is more profound than either independently.
>
> Then there's also the view that there is a *new* cosmic energy manifesting
> at this time and that it is attuned to at the crown. This energy is a new
> evolving force for our age.
>
> Any thoughts? I'll forward this on to kundalini-l. Perhaps others will have
> thoughts on this as well.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Kurt
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:13:30 EST
From: Jay071070ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: More of us?
Message-ID: <4ee0b4e7.34ee384cATnospamaol.com>
Been on the list two days and want to know all about Kundalini yoga
1. How many of us have meditated
yes, usually before i go to sleep.
2. How many of us chant or pray
no
3. How many of us do hatha yoga exercises with or without mediation
No, thats why i signed up here to find out more.
4. how many of us have experienced Near Death Experiences (NDE's) or Out of
body experiences (OBE)
OBE yes earlier in my life , starting to practice again.
5. Are any of us still agnostic
No
6. How many of us have experienced Shaktipat
Nope , unless ya count those two times i completely understood the
universe while walking and I stopped and said in awe "I understand now...."
Then i completely forgot what i understood and had to stand there for a
minute. 'shaking my head' LOL quite amusing experience if you have had it.
Jay (The Poor Prophet)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:29:27 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: DruoutATnospamaol.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: More of us
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DruoutATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> Dear list.
>
> Realized I hadn't yet answered my own poll. Not fair!
>
> Meditation: Never have meditated
> Chant: Never
> Prayer: not unless I'm in a tight scrape!
> Hatha Yoga: Yes
> NDE &OBE No
> Agnostic: I'm attaching myself to Richard's "Transcendental Agnostic" term!
> Shaktipat: Have been close to my twin sister's Tibetan teachers, but don't
> think so.
>
> Love, Hillary
Gloria here:
Meditation: Over 35 years
Chant: not inwardly, but use mantra when it manifests naturally
Prayer: Since early childhood, I'm 52
Hatha Yoga: yes, Laya, Bhakti, Kundalini Yoga, or what is Siddha
Out of Body Yes....many, many times
Near Death: Yes
Shaktipat: Received it in a vision once my Christ and another by a
being called the Ancient of Days. It was so powerful it put me in the
hospital. Full awakening in early twenties, full kundalini awakening at
that time.
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:40:40 -0500
From: John Rosevear <jacflashATnospamshore.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: More of us?
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Hello all -
Another newbie here...
> 1. How many of us have meditated
Yes, usually early mornings
> 2. How many of us chant or pray
Occasional attempts at chant, no prayer.
> 3. How many of us do hatha yoga exercises with or without mediation
No, though I practice a martial art which has movements very similar to
those of Hatha yoga
> 4. how many of us have experienced Near Death Experiences (NDE's) or Out of
> body experiences (OBE)
one OBE, several years ago
> 5. Are any of us still agnostic
Certainly.
> 6. How many of us have experienced Shaktipat
Not I, alas.
- John Rosevear
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:58:28 EST
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: Jay071070ATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: More of us?
Message-ID: <58e5617d.34ee42d6ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-02-20 21:14:33 EST, Jay071070ATnospamaol.com writes:
<< Nope , unless ya count those two times i completely understood the
universe while walking and I stopped and said in awe "I understand now...."
Then i completely forgot what i understood and had to stand there for a
minute. 'shaking my head' LOL quite amusing experience if you have had it.
Jay (The Poor Prophet) >>
Harsha writes: That is so funny! You say "I understood the
Universe........then I forgot what I understood. Who is the "I" who
understood and who is "I" that forgot. Find out who that "I" is. Once you
understand the nature of the "I" you can call yourself "Jay (The Rich
Prophet....Rich with Self-Knowledge). Be well, be happy, be at peace.
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:21:47 -0800
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com, DruoutATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: More of us
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At 06:29 PM 2/20/98 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
>DruoutATnospamaol.com wrote:
>>
>> Dear list.
>>
>> Realized I hadn't yet answered my own poll. Not fair!
>>
>> Meditation: Never have meditated
>> Chant: Never
>> Prayer: not unless I'm in a tight scrape!
>> Hatha Yoga: Yes
>> NDE &OBE No
>> Agnostic: I'm attaching myself to Richard's "Transcendental Agnostic"
term!
>> Shaktipat: Have been close to my twin sister's Tibetan teachers, but don't
>> think so.
>>
>> Love, Hillary
dor here:
Meditation: never
Chant: never
Prayer: yes, but not all the time, mostly a conversation
Hatha Yoga: never
Out of Body Yes... wonderful experience
Near Death: no, but once saw the tunnel, thought I should not enter...so
I didn't
Shaktipat: no, just a spontanious awakening, took forever to find out I
wasn't looney,
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:09:00 EST
From: MeadowartATnospamaol.com
To: Jay071070ATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: More of us?
Message-ID: <a003bab4.34ee454fATnospamaol.com>
1. How many of us meditate: yes, daily.
2. Chant or pray: yes, daily.
3. Hatha yoga? Yes
4. NDE or OBE? OBE's have usually been in the form of directed meditation
where I see the people and places I am focusing on clearly and accurately.
5. Agnostic? No.
6. Shaktipat? Whenever I'm in the presence of a true yoga master, I feel the
amazing flow of light through my whole system. Some particularly amazing
experiences. I consider them shaktipat experiences, but I've never "taken
initiation" with any of these wonderful gurus.
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:49:32 -0500
From: Eve Kochel <batwomanATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: Kundalini-L mailing list <kundalini-l-dATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Eyelids
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Dear Am,
>For the past 15-20 years I suddenly feel compelled to look at a clock
and
>not for checking the time. Whenever I thus look at it (or them), it is
>exactly 11:11. I always felt this to be highly significant though how,
I
>know not.
>
>Has any else one experienced this phenomena?
I *used* to, and I'm probably the only person on this list who doesn't
have an awakened Kundalini (still working on it). I used to wake up
every night at 2:15am and look at the clock. This went on for months.
I no longer do that.
>I am also interested in any
>feedback on seeing grids of squares and meshes of golden hexagons.
Yes, I DO see golden hexagons! But I've seen those all my life whenever
I rub my eyes. Perhaps that's non-Kundalini-related?
>AND last
>but not least, lately, seeing through my closed eyelids, and, NO, I
have not
>yet learned to execute an OBE although it sounds way cool.
This is the weirdest -- yes, I have experienced this several times, and
still do, occasionally. This happens in the early mornings just before
rising. I come awake just slightly, and suddenly I can see the bedroom
even though my eyes are closed. I'm not asleep, and I'm not awake,
either. Everything is so clear, too! I have no idea what this is all
about, but when it happens, it's fun.
>I usually just ENJOY what comes my way but now I'm beginning to get
curious
>enough to ask "WHAT DOES IT MEAN?"
If you find out, please let me know!
Eve
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:09:36 -0500
From: Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: 11:11
Message-Id: <199802210409.XAA28323ATnospamadan.kingston.net>
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At times, I can be as sharp as a tack and at other's you can hit me with a
sledge hammer and I don't know I've been hit. :) :)
Sorry to bug y'all about this 11:11. This afternoon, thanks to someone on
this list I've been "enlightened" kindly about the fact of groups and groups
following this number. Have been directed accordingly and shall now delve
into this new wonder. By the way, I have a sharp earache in my left ear
since this afternoon. Any significance? :) :) ;)
PEACE to the world!
Am
We are EVERYTHING and we are NOTHING
(gleaned from an NDE account)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:51:56 EST
From: MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com
To: DruoutATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Interim poll results
Message-ID: <3f584660.34ee5d6eATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-02-20 15:30:51 EST, you write:
...the results of your k-poll. Thx for sharing the info, Hillary!
(Sort of) along those lines...This past wk have read two books: "Kundalini
Experience: Psychosis or Transcedence" (by Lee Sannella, M.D.) and "Are
You Getting Englightened Or Losing Your Mind? (by Dennis Gersten, M.D.)
[After reading their books, I've decided that I'm only HALF crazy...& still a
whole lot of fun!!]
Turns out Dr. Gersten is from Denver, Colorado (same as me)...& in fact, as a
former "atheist Jew," ditched services at Temple Emanual as a kid, & went down
the block to the drugstore (same as me). I wouldn't be surprised if we went
to the same high school--although I'm a few years younger--& have friends in
common. He now resides/practices in San Diego...where it turns out I'll be
after I go to a film seminar in L.A. next month. I've decided to contact
him...& see if he'll share information about k-awakening & mental illness. In
his book, he describes himself as a "spiritual psychiatrist," describes his
own k-awakening, & includes his own "spiritual program for mental fitness."
If anyone has questions they'd like for me to pose to Dr. Gersten let me know
& I'll put something together for him. Thanks! Michele
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:55:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: More of us?
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> Been on the list two days and want to know all about Kundalini yoga
>
> 1. How many of us have meditated
> I meditate to relax or to heart center. Sometimes I lucid dream.
> 2. How many of us chant or pray
> no
> 3. How many of us do hatha yoga exercises with or without mediation
> no
> 4. how many of us have experienced Near Death Experiences (NDE's) or Out of
> body experiences (OBE)
> I've experienced states I'd liken to both, but I've never had the
> kind you hear about on TV or learn to do.
> 5. Are any of us still agnostic
> yep
> 6. How many of us have experienced Shaktipat
> nope
Dan
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:13:17 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A short note, but maybe important
Message-ID: <34EDF1EB.5D57ATnospamintercomm.com>
Gloria Greco wrote:
Reflections on Feb. 20 1998 for the retreat
This went out to
> Bob and Larry and Trent, Deb, Teresa and Letica,
But it applies to all of us doesn't it?
>
> I thought I would share what came to me tonight as I was reading a book.
> All of a sudden it came to me how very important it is to have faith and
> enthusiasm on the journey home. Obey your inner voice while at the same
> time going about your daily concerns with optimistic feelings of it all
> somehow being connected together. And, while it may appear that you are
> having to work or take care of responsbilities, it is in these day to
> day concerns that you actually ground your consciousness into experience
> while working it into proper form inside of the brain. The work is happening inside the brain, this is so important to know.
>
> Everything has purpose, while you observe, notice how much your life is
> built around action, doing, not only for yourself but like a worker bee,
> you administer and care for the human family. In some way, we are
> constantly looking after each other. And since we are both transmitters
> and receivers we are continually sending out, answering and
> communicating in many different ways. Some of these are experienced in
> the physical body and are self evident, but as the inner connections are
> made in various chakra's, some are totally not seen and yet going on,
> and believe it or not, it can happen simoltaneously on different levels.
> We are indeed complex beings.
>
> On the spiritual path, this social awareness expands by leaps and
> bounds. Some think that being awakened, and in union with God means that
> you live this quiet detached life sitting under a tree. Well this is not
> my experience, in fact, it means doing and being, it means living in the
> moment, spontaeously flowing with what is... at any given moment. And it
> means assisting and helping people at every turn, sometimes in things
> that no one could even possibly know anything about and it means sacrifice. It means never
> ending new responsbility, since you naturally do this without thought,
> it is not a problem or concern because it is totally spontaneous
> movement acted on or brought down by simply being alive to the moment.
> And since once it is experienced... the moment is gone, and you can't
> remember it, you only really experience the constant beat and breath of
> this moment in harmony lost in the flow, absorbed in God.
How does this evolve
> from detachment; ie, observe, witness, let go...with no thought or
> judgment, well this is the mystery. As you become absorbed into this
> movement, it will also change your meditations, as you become even more
> absorbed into the movement you will find yourself expanding in all
> directions. This is the process, always aware, witnessing, flowing,
> knowing, growing.
>
> While this is not something all of you relate to now, it is something that you
> prepare for in commiting your life in ongoing surrender to God's Will. One can
> not enter into the stream of Divine Will without also living in action
> according to that inner voice and knowing which is experienced as now, the precious second
> as the living essence... this stream of knowing lives in you. This is reason to be
> humble and certainly conscious of how very important simple techniques
> are in opening one to his/her potential and destiny in union with the
> creator. Gloria
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 01:34:15 EST
From: MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: BB Guns, Back Pain, Acupuncture & Hot Flashes (??)
Message-ID: <e5fb5c5.34ee7569ATnospamaol.com>
Hi All,
Woke up at 4 AM w/the most intense neck & shoulder pain of my life!
Immediately set up appt w/acupuncturist whose office is down the block (which
I noticed about a month ago when I moved into my new apt.)
While I was waiting for the acupuncturist, his golden retriever brought me a
tennis ball, and put her head on my lap. This was the mellowist dog I've EVER
seen! Good sign.
I mentioned my k-grounding activities and he said, "Yes, kundalini." He put
pins in my shoulder & neck...all the way down to the base of my spine. He
gave me electrical stimulation and shiatsu massage. I mentioned the bb in my
knee, the numbness in my leg, and that the surgeon said it had nothing to do
with my pain. He said, "No, it's the bb." (He was concise as well as calm.)
Afterwards, I mentioned that I had found a "k-list" on the 'net...& he just
smiled. Altho' I'm still pretty tight, I must say...I feel great & at least
for now, my leg feels almost normal again.
On a related note...I've been doing Mystress's grounding meditations for
several days now, & from the moment I started, could feel things moving!
(tingling feet and heat moving up to the top of my head) I was quite excited
about this heat...& then, on an impulse, decided to look up "menopause/hot
flashes" on the 'net. (I'm 42, so I'm "in the ballpark.") And of course, all
the descriptions of hot flashes I read matched my new experiences exactly!
What I found interesting was that, I've NEVER had a "hot flash" before this
wk. "They" started happening the 1ST TIME I did the grounding meditaion!
>From my 'net search I learned that hot flashes typically occur approx. 2 yrs.
before menopause & last about a yr afterwards--altho it is not unusual for a
low % of women to have hot flashes for 20 more yrs!
So now I'm analyzing menopause's k-connection. Interesting that women receive
the k-charge about the time they cease to be able to bear children. (As a
"psychic" type, I'm predicting that mine won't last very long, however.)
Am int'd in other women's comments about all this. And what about you men out
there...are you having "hot flashes, too?
Oh, and one last thing... If it happens only to women, then why is called
MEN-struation?? Still having fun--Michele
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