1998/02/19 12:21
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #137
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 137
Today's Topics:
Unidentified subject! [ iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com> ]
Re: More of us? [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: In the middle of awakening [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: More of us? [ Glenn Bailey <glennbobATnospamix.netcom.co ]
Re: More of us? [ Glenn Bailey <glennbobATnospamix.netcom.co ]
Re: Confused and lost in the middle [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: More of us? [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
prana and kundalini [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: More of us? [ Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toro ]
Re: More of us? [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: More of us? [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: More of us? [ Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> ]
RE: prana vs kundalini [ "danelle t" <danelletATnospamhotmail.com> ]
11:11 time ?? [ Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net> ]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:23:16 -0800
From: iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Unidentified subject!
Message-Id: <199802190721.BAA04508ATnospamsmtp1.allinfosys.com>
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tonight i pray...it's been 3 years, by the religious calendar, since my
father's death
tonight i light a 26 hour memorial candle in his honour
tomorrow i visit his grave
time races by
i move at lightspeed...all others move at a snail's pace...they know so
little they are closed minded...they see not...they feel and call it
instinct...and what of that
chakras, energy flow, white light, colours all around, tingling, heightened
reality, the phone rang...Luxembourg, Cologne, Dusseldorf call back with answers
european laws abound...all things must comply...physicality...not spirituality
the deal, the deal, the deal...always the deal, always the terms, always the
conditions...physicality...where is the etheral presence now...Oh Yeah Oh
Yeah where art thou...Our Father who art in Heaven....wait a minute! the
first name of My father is NOT Art...hallowed be the name....Wait a minute!
Who is this guy Hallowed...NOT my father...
my father is definitely not named Art Hallowed...
guess I need to change the wording...
let's see...thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven....okay not bad
give us this day our daily bread...Wait a minute! mom gets the bread from
the local store or bakery....this is all wrong!
Forgive us our trespasses....OOOOOH this sounds awful...i don't know what it
is to pass a tres, but i don't think i want to do THAT!
YEP! definitely need to change the wording of this one....
Water Air Fire Earth...do my bidding
i was...i am...i will be...
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:49:51 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: taniaATnospamcentroin.com
CC: DruoutATnospamaol.com, aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co.uk, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: More of us?
Message-ID: <34EB0304.19BBATnospamintercomm.com>
Gloria here:
The internet is a great communication tool and it has to be a part of
the overall picture since it does lend itself to connecting one soul to
the other.
In Gopi Krishna's time I'm sure there were people who could have helped
but perhaps his mission and assignment involved getting through it on
his own for Divine Will and purpose. There are no accidents, and on the
other hand, many of you are finding your connections so easy through the
net, this also must be because of positive karma opening things up to
you. It is all will and purpose how ever you look at it.
Larry Schmitz wrote:
>
> Fully 100% of where I am is due to the ease of communication that
> internet affords & all the wonderful material you all have provided.
>
> Without this, I'm not sure I would know what is happening to me today.
> I think that we will find the progress to swing from arithmatic to geometric
> in a very short time.
>
>Hilary wrote:
> >It seems strange that Gopi Krisha couldn't find anyone with a risen K to
> help
> >him when he was suffering so. Do you think the exposion now, (if there is,
> >indeed an increase) is due to the type of meditation?
> >
> >How many of us have meditated?
> >How many of us chant? or pray.
> >How many of us have done hatha yoga exercises w/out meditation?
> >How many of us have had NDE's
> >Are any of us still agnostics?
> >
> >Has anyone done a survey? I've only been on the list for a couple
> >
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Name: Lawrence P. Schmitz.vcf
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Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:52:41 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: William White <bwhiteATnospamfrognet.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: In the middle of awakening
Message-ID: <34EB905B.2F17A580ATnospamgeocities.com>
William White wrote:
>
>
> Let me explain. First off, throughout my life I've had altered-state and
> ................ would start, usually while listening to music, with a
> sense of energy rising inside starting at stomach level, as well as
> hyperventilation, with rapid buildup of energy until it would "burst
> forth", a sort of pre-emotional energy which flowed out through all
> emotional pathways, resulting in laughter, crying, screaming, etc. --
> an ecstatic (and yet in some ways agonizing) explosion which would
> last, maybe 5 minutes before it went away.
Anandajyoti> You are right that the energy started at the stomach level. I have
felt the same many a time,sometimes, its in bursts or packets of it, sometimes
a lingering smoother flow. I have experienced both.
In my case, when the bursts took place, it continued for at least half an hour,
twice it continued for two
to three hours at a time. It was very emotional, and currents flowing from head
to foot and from foot to
head continuos with the bursts. Others watching it m, many felt that I was
drunk or under the effects of
hallucinogens. One time it lasted for two weeks and I had a hard time, trying
to maintain my balance.
I also have experienced a pain in the heart region and going up during the
separation feelings.
There was tears, crying, a deep of sense of separation, and at the same time
ecstatic.
I have never tried it or even felt inclined to induce these through the
psychedelic drugs.
As my experiences came on their own, not induced intentionally through drugs, I
did not
experience any of the disabling effects, like confusions or lack/loss of
concentration.
Psychic abilities developed on their own, but I never lost my sense of inner
balance.
So, in your case , it is futile for me to recommend anything, as I am not a
medical
practitioner, but I could only share my experiences.
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.ocm/Athens/Forum/6782
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:56:39 -0600
From: Glenn Bailey <glennbobATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>
CC: KUNDALINI-LATnospamEXECPC.COM
Subject: Re: More of us?
Message-ID: <34EB9157.35A2ATnospamix.netcom.com>
Richard Wentk wrote:
>
> At 13:33 18/02/98 EST, DruoutATnospamaol.com wrote:
> > <snipped>
> > >Are any of us still agnostics?
>
> I'm a Transcendental Agnostic. I know something is going on, but I wouldn't
> want to claim that I know for sure what it is. :)
>
> R.
Glenn Bailey writes:
Richard, I'm with you, there is a hell of a lot going on, the question
is how much of the "known" explanations of this are really applicable.
Especially since so much of what is "known" or what is a system is in
conflict.
For me there are two parallel paths of investigation, the intuitive
exploration of experiences (physical, emotional, intellectual,
spiritual, etc.) and what is described as paradignms for understanding
what is happening and strategies for cooperating with the experience
(e.g., "K", religion(s), yoga, etc. :)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:40:35 -0600
From: Glenn Bailey <glennbobATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: AfperryATnospamaol.com
CC: KUNDALINI-LATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: More of us?
Message-ID: <34EB8D93.1648ATnospamix.netcom.com>
AfperryATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> Dear Chris,
> I think you may be right about this, but I doubt there are any statistics to
> back it up! One hundred years ago, it was openly said that only celibates
> could awaken K but that we know is not true today. So many lay people are
> having K experiences
Glenn Bailey Writes:
More lay people... Very Punny :)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:26:55 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: William White <bwhiteATnospamfrognet.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Confused and lost in the middle of awakening
Message-ID: <34EB19D9.67A8ATnospamintercomm.com>
HI William, you did what quite a few people do with drugs, you have
awakened kundalini and your body is going to have to learn a lot about
getting out of the way to ride it out. The problem with starting from
this point is that you don't know what your natural flow would be, so
you are going to have to get into this and learn quickly some tools that
will help you cope as you continue on your journey. It sounds like you
have some detachment in the way you described the beginning of the
experience but you can see once your are into the emotional releases and
other physical symptoms, it takes a lot to be able to not get into it
and interfere.
I invite you to my homepage, if you find my frequency comfortable then I
suggest you write back to me then and I will help you however I can. You
can get several different approaches to your experience here on the
list, my approach is to get into a higher frequency through letting go
and self discipline. If you learn how to get into the heart center and
you learn the different frequency of each center, it is much easier to
detach and let go. There is a process in this that can be connected into
with some help, I have taught it for over 30 years so if it comes to
you, write back and we will communicate more.
My path is getting you heart centered and connected into your higher or
true self from there you have the tools you need to live from moment to
moment. Once you have stirred kundalini you can't live life like most,
kind of going on in an automatic state in action and reaction. You need
to enter into the power of the moment, and live in it...which involves
breaking free of the past and no longer centering on the future. The
only safe place is in the now and then you have to choose the center in
which you live. That is the discipline.
Regardless, you have picked an adventure, it is a wonderful ride and you
will never again know a dull moment.
Gloria Joy
William White wrote:
>
> To make a long story short, I suspect I accidentally awakened Kundalini
> during entheogenic exploration, was totally unprepared for it, and have had
> a year of odd and confusing symptoms which finally have led me to ask for
> suggestions and/or comments from those "in the know". If you don't have
> time or any suggestions that's OK too.
>
> Let me explain. First off, throughout my life I've had altered-state and
> odd experiences (this becomes relevant later). In particular, one set of
> experiences which I'd had, starting at age 16 and continuing, and tapering
> off by age 20, would start, usually while listening to music, with a
> sense of energy rising inside starting at stomach level, as well as
> hyperventilation, with rapid buildup of energy until it would "burst
> forth", a sort of pre-emotional energy which flowed out through all
> emotional pathways, resulting in laughter, crying, screaming, etc. --
> an ecstatic (and yet in some ways agonizing) explosion which would
> last, maybe 5 minutes before it went away. Sometimes there would be
> hallucinations, delusions of grandeur, etc., sometimes not.
>
> About five years ago, at age 22, I stumbled across the psychoactive
> potential of dextromethorphan (DXM), a mostly-unknown entheogen of the
> dissociative class (NMDA antagonist, sigma agonist), and began to use this
> for out-of-body work, deep meditation, etc. All was going well, for the
> most part, plenty of interesting experiences but nothing that I couldn't
> handle; I was generally careful since this particular entheogen, although
> legal, is in many ways considerably more powerful than LSD or psilocybin.
> Importantly, many of the "side effects" it produces are reminiscent of
> some of the described symptoms of the kundalini awakening (e.g., heat and
> pressure around the crown of the head, bizarre posturing, buzzing or
> rushing sounds, and of course the psychic component which includes out-of-
> body and near-death experiences and such). Keep in mind that I was going
> into mostly unexplored territory here, and furthermore was aware that
> there would probably be some stumbling points.
>
> The change came when I decided to use to use DXM in conjunction with
> a plant-based serotonergic entheogen (same class as LSD, although
> again legal). This was stricly unknown territory (which again was
> nothing new, I've been working with lesser-known plants and such for
> about a decade). I'll avoid describing the narrative of the "trip"
> itself; what mattered happened in the time span of about 15 minutes.
> Note that *none* of these symptoms I had were in any way characteristic
> of former entheogenic experiences; despite the popular misconceptions
> about psychoactive drugs, they are usually quite safe and predictable
> once the individual has established her or his personal responses to
> them.
>
> It started while listening to didgeridoo music, and I began to have an
> increasing "twitching" in my muscles, rhythmic movements, and assumption
> of bizarre postures. Next came the feeling that my veins and arteries
> were crawling around, and electric shocks propagating throughout my body.
> This increased rapidly until it felt like my tailbone had been plugged
> into an electric outlet, and an overwhelming energy started to flow up
> from there, flooding my body, and which, out of reflex and/or fear, I
> tried to resist.
>
> This was the wrong move, I guess, because there was an increasing feeling
> of pressure, reminiscent of how one's face feels during the Valsalva
> maneuver (holding your breath and bearing down, a bad idea by the way
> since it raises blood pressure) ... it felt like my body was about to
> burst, like my cells were swelling with ... something, Idunno. Has
> anyone else ever had this sensation? I don't see it listed in any of
> the "kundalini symptoms" lists. It was kinda like being in a tight
> wet-suit.
>
> My skin was crawling, I felt like my molecules had started vibrating in
> a new and faster way, and, becoming increasingly terrified, I terminated
> the experience with 0.5mg clonazepam.
>
> After that I was left with lasting symptoms. The main one was an intense
> but intermittent headache above my left ear; I consulted with my physician
> who found nothing wrong but suggested an arterial spasm in response to
> serotonin syndrome (his suggested explanation for above experience). That
> went away with time, but the mental/psychic problems got worse; I had
> increasingly rapid mood swings, extreme fatigue, shaking, random intense
> emotional outbursts ... all this makes a lot more sense now, but understand
> that at the time, I had never *heard* of kundalini.
>
> Finally, after seeing a neurologist, I was diagnosed with complex partial
> seizures, probably starting from a bout of Reye's syndrome around 2nd
> grade (he didn't think the entheogenic experiences were to blame, though
> probably not terribly helpful). He started me on carbemazepine (a mood
> stabalizer and antiseizure drug) which helped tremendously, and which I
> continue to take along with imipramine for attention deficit. I'm still
> rather emotionally vacant and fuzzy-brained, and most of all feel like I
> am somehow "sub-aware".
>
> Recently I heard from someone else who tried the DXM + serotonergic
> combination and said, bluntly, that it awakened the kundalini energy. I
> went to look it up on the web, and lo and behold this whole thing is
> beginning to coalesce!
>
> Now, even with the medication, I'm still having that same "body pressure"
> feeling from time to time, as well as chest pains and occasionally rapid
> and irregular heartbeat (went and had it checked out, my ticker's OK, I'm
> actually in surprisingly good physical condition given my fatigue and
> corresponding lack of exercise), digestive trouble, and other symptoms of
> anxiety attacks. And from time to time my left leg goes numb (I'd never
> thought anything of it, but it's in several articles about kundalini, so
> I thought I'd mention it), and my back is generally tense and kinked up.
>
> So, here I am, one year later, still having lingering symptoms, esp. the
> mental and psychic ones (emotional detatchment, confusion, concentration
> problems, etc.) It feels like something *started* to happen but I didn't
> let it go through right, and it's still "blocked up" to this day.
>
> Any ideas, suggestions, book recommendations, anecdotes, etc? I find
> myself expending a fair amount of energy just coping with the lingering
> symptoms, and the fatigue is really the worst since I know I'd feel better
> if I had the energy to exercise more.
>
> One last note -- none of the entheogens I've used are neurotoxic, and there
> was no evidence of cerebrovascular damage; I suspect the entire thing is
> happening at a spiritual/energy level rather than anything neurophysio-
> logical. The complex partial seizure explanation is possible, but in
> reviewing the literature it doesn't seem to quite fit right.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> William White
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
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Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:09:17 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Paul Fallon <pawlATnospamfirstnet.co.uk>
CC: "'DruoutATnospamaol.com'" <DruoutATnospamaol.com>,
"'k-list' heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: More of us?
Message-ID: <34EB15B8.76A3ATnospamintercomm.com>
Paul Fallon wrote:
>
> Despite being k-awakened 15 years ago, I've never met anyone I could discuss even the symptoms with until this list. It's just not normal in my part of the world. And I've never felt drawn to join an organisation. SO, for me, this list is incredible: so many people dotted around AND hooked up to internet with this common experience. I guess I was in the closet until a safe medium was presented.
Gg
Exactly, and I think as we move through 98 and 99 we are going to hear
more about it. It is just that people also don't want to be labeled
eastern or new age or wierd. And some of just don't have a problem with
labels one way or the other. It is detachment also that allows you to be
yourself and allow others to be themselves. People don't have to agree
with you, or even like you, in detachment it is all the same. Not
everyone on the list even agrees with everything so it is all a part of
the dance. Aren't we lucky to be able to agree or dis agree and go on
the same way anyway, that is love. Gloria
>
> Paul
>
> not not even begin- praps end return:
> end, ning of end: of beginning> pawlATnospamfirstnet.co.uk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DruoutATnospamaol.com [SMTP:DruoutATnospamaol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 9:54 PM
> To: aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co.uk; kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> Subject: Re: More of us?
>
> Dear Chris,
>
> Is there really any evidence that there are more of us than in the past? Or
> are we simply more out of the closet?
>
> Love, Hillary
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
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Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:43:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu
Subject: prana and kundalini
Message-Id: <199802190443.UAA03298ATnospamic.EECS.Berkeley.EDU>
Here are some thoughts gathered from my FAQ, from other recent postings
and from some last minute musings:
On prana and kundalini:
>From the subjective standpoint of an individual actually experiencing
the awakening of kundalini I have found three completely different
opinions:
The first opinion is that a pranic awakening is only a prelude to a
full kundalini awakening. Tibetan yogins that I have encountered
consider the activation of prana (Tibetan: rlung) as merely a
prerequisite for the activation of kundalini (Tibetan: gTummo). What's
attractive about this viewpoint is that it explains the difference
between the experience of simply having pleasant sensations in the
spine and the much more powerful experience of having a
``freight-train''-like full kundalini experience.
The second opinion, espoused by Swami Shivom Tirth for example, is that
prana and kundalini are absolutely equivalent and that it is not
meaningful in any way to describe a difference between kundalini rising
and prana rising. When posed with question as to how to distinguish
between pleasant sensations that show some pranic-activity in the spine
and the much more powerful experience Swami Shivom Tirth said that the
difference is not in the nature of the activity but in the
consciousness that observes it. If the consciousness that experiences
the pranic activity is seated within the spine (or more correctly, the
central channel, known as the sushumna), then the experience is felt
much more powerfully.
The third opinion, espoused by the modern hatha yogin, Desikacar, is
that pranic awakening is the true experience to be aimed for and
kundalini is actually an obstruction. Desikacar sees the kundalini as a
block in the central channel and thus the kundalini must be ``killed''
to make way for the prana. This is the most unusual view of the three. ''
With due reverence to Swami Shivom Tirth I subscribe to the first view.
I would certainly agree that while a pranic piercing of the cakras
is a profound experience it is still not sufficient for
enlightenment. The second possibility is the difference between kundalini
rising through a cakra and a complete piercing of the cakra. I think most
readers of this group must have experienced a lightning-like rising of
kundalini all the way to the crown or sahasrara. I do think
that this is kundalini rising but I don't think this could be considered a
piercing of the cakras. So what is a piercing? I believe a piercing is when
there is a permanent elimination of the knot at a cakra.
In my limited experience the flow of prana is associated with a pleasant
tingling and mild ``electric'' charge. The area feels more vitality.
As long as the prana is not in the central channel there is a clear maintenance
of a ``normal'' waking consciousness with a subject-object dichotomy.
When prana enters the central channel then the character of the experience
changes dramatically. The mind becomes centered. There is a good description
of the stages of this experience in the Svetashvatara Upanishad and also
in Tibetan yogic literature. Briefly, the solidity of the body
feels like it dissolves. First earth dissolves - you feel like your body
is no longer sharply defined. Then water you still have a sense of locality
but it is not defined at clearly. Then stage by stage your individuality
dissolves ... eventually into clear light.
OTOH -in my limited experience, when the *kundalini* rises
in the central channel then the mind is naturally
and immediately drawn into a powerful (from a subjective standpoint) samadhi.
As kundalini rises the individuality is obliterated - not slowly dissolved
as in the pranic awakening.
Kundalini has only been at my sahasrara for brief
periods of time but during these times I experienced a total unity with the
entire universe. In these brief periods thoughts were too pitiful and
insignificant to influence the state in any way.
When one's awareness has merged with the entire
universe (or at least that is the subjective experience) then what is the
meaning of cultivating awareness or becoming aware of the divine will? And
since the universe is comprehended by one's own consciousness where would
the Holy Spirit come from and where would it go?
But this is just my experience - no more no less. I don't think there is
anything definitive about it and I hope people don't feel that I am trying
to play a ``my experience is superior to yours'' game. I think that there
are many others who have valuable experiences to share. I also can never
write up a ``summary'' like this without evolving my understanding. Who knows
what I'll think about things next time.
Kind Regards,
Kurt
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:01:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toronto.on.ca>
To: Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: More of us?
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9802182356.A12244-0100000ATnospamsheppard>
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Has anyone ever experienced Transendental Meditation?
Are you still meditating with the mantra you were given?
Has anyone every experienced the effects of the Hare Krishna mantra?
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:00:02 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toronto.on.ca>,
kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: More of us?
Message-ID: <34EC1EC2.38B10047ATnospamerols.com>
Barbara Shinton wrote:
>
> Has anyone ever experienced Transendental Meditation?
Yes, I learned it in my teens because my mom twisted my arm. I did practice
it for a while, but it never clicked with me.
>
> Are you still meditating with the mantra you were given?
No, I nver particularly liked the mantra they gave me.
>
> Has anyone every experienced the effects of the Hare Krishna mantra?
Not I.
-Orea
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:06:02 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: More of us?
Message-ID: <34EC202A.265B0257ATnospamerols.com>
> At 13:33 18/02/98 EST, DruoutATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> >How many of us have meditated?
Yes, but not that much and not regularly. Have tried a number of techniques,
looking for what feels right for me.
>
> >How many of us chant? or pray.
I pray, but mostly commune as much of the time as I can remember to.
>
> >How many of us have done hatha yoga exercises w/out meditation?
>
No, am investigating Chi Gong and Tai Chi.
>
> >How many of us have had NDE's
>
No.
>
> >Are any of us still agnostics?
>
Quite the contrary, I don't believe, I know from personal experience.
Blessings,
Orea
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:23:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
To: Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: More of us?
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At 10:40 PM 2/18/98 +0000, you wrote:
>I'm a Transcendental Agnostic. I know something is going on, but I wouldn't
>want to claim that I know for sure what it is. :)
Richard, I love this this phrase. It's a great thing to keep in one's pocket
for coping with the ungraspables.
Blythe
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:01:00 PST
From: "danelle t" <danelletATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: prana vs kundalini
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Hello there friends-
I did some research at work yesterday regarding the prana question and
got some definitions and also an opinion or two. Now I would like to
share them with you.
Prana: When cosmic mind manifests itself in building matter, the
fundamental energy involved in such phenomena as cohesion, electricity,
magnetism, etc., is temed prana, the basic kinetic energy of the
universe.
Kundalini: latent nervous energy locked in the nrevouse system...mainly
the brain and spinal cord...the strength ad endurance of us and our
ancestors which lies locked within the base of the spine in the form of
potential energy.
Now as I have come to understand it and the others that have been
helping me thru this awakening process...Prana is external..it forms all
that is here...and we can breathe the Prana in to help expedite and ease
the actual Kundalin rising process. The Kundalini energy is strictly
internal....
I hope this information helps those who asked....it is just another ones
humble opinion...;- )
Blessed Be-
danelle
always look within.....thru the clouds of emotion the answers you search
for can be found.
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:11:30 -0500
From: Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: 11:11 time ??
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>Lovers kiss at 11:11.
> Dan
As good a time as any. ;)
But, check this out and see if someone knows what I am about to babble about
here:
For the past 15-20 years I suddenly feel compelled to look at a clock and
not for checking the time. Whenever I thus look at it (or them), it is
exactly 11:11. I always felt this to be highly significant though how, I
know not.
Has any else one experienced this phenomena? I am also interested in any
feedback on seeing grids of squares and meshes of golden hexagons. AND last
but not least, lately, seeing through my closed eyelids, and, NO, I have not
yet learned to execute an OBE although it sounds way cool. These are only a
few things I've "learned" to see but I won't bore you with all of it today.
I usually just ENJOY what comes my way but now I'm beginning to get curious
enough to ask "WHAT DOES IT MEAN?"
PEACE and LAUGHTER and DANCING with the Wind. :)
Am
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