1998/02/16 23:30
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #133
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 133
Today's Topics:
Research [ "angATnospamspec.net" <angATnospamspec.net> ]
Heart Centered Choices [ Geryl and Mark Waind <gandm.waindATnospams ]
Re: Help - Need guidance. [ Geryl and Mark Waind <gandm.waindATnospams ]
Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: What Color is the Self? [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Re: Heaviness/Numbness in Left Leg [ MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com ]
Re: What Color is the Self? [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:28:57 -0800
From: "angATnospamspec.net" <angATnospamspec.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Research
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:27:34 -0800
From: Geryl and Mark Waind <gandm.waindATnospamsympatico.ca>
To: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>,
Geoff Wheeler <gwheelerATnospamcgocable.net>, david.bozziATnospamsnet.net,
Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Heart Centered Choices
Message-ID: <34E8BD56.5074ATnospamsympatico.ca>
> > Jason responded:
> >
> >
> > Compassion is certainly a fantastic way of relating to the energy within and
> > around us. The ego is of the energy within us and could certainly be
> > regarded with compassion.
> >
> > The intellect is certainly a great tool of the human being. Like any other,
> > it has it's opportune uses. The intellect is of the energy within us and
> > could certainly be regarded with compassion.
> >
> > The heart is certainly a great tool of the human being. Like any other, it
> > has it's opportune uses. Why should we stress it over intellect?
> >
> > Yes, breathing is highly recommended (by 9 out of 10 doctors) for continued
> > life.
> > (Begs the question: what does the 10th doctor say?)
> >
> > Jason.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mark responded:
>
> My Dear Friend Jason:
>
> If you so choose, you may operate through your intellect all you want.
> It is my own personal choice to move towards working from the heart
> center. Intellect (ba) is the midpoint between solar plexus (ca)
> energies and heart centered energies (da). Through my own life
> experience I have found a very strong correlation between high levels of
> pain and stress and centering of self in "ca". As "ba" is closer to "ca"
> than "da", there are certain amounts of pain and stress experienced when
> centering there.
> I am a hedonistic entity. I therefore "try" to choose the most
> pleasureable path for self. I find as long as I remain centered in the
> heart (da) I do not experience pain, suffering ,or fear. I am not fully
> realized, I therefore sway sometimes into "ca" and I do have to center
> in "ba" in order to make sense of my surroundings. What I do is "try" to
> form an exclusive bond between "ba" and "da" and keep my "head in my
> heart". I am still a spiritual child and sometimes sway from this as
> well.
>
> What I am trying to say to you is this; centering in the intellect
> alone, can be painful; centering in the heart is not. Use your intellect
> with your heart and live in peace. I aim for this in my daily
> experience. Sometimes I blow it royaly! But, at least at this point in
> my growth I am aware of my mistakes. I forgive myself and keep moving
> towards the light.
>
> Compassion is a tool for heart centering. Compassion is not an
> intellectual tool. When one "feels" compassion, pleasure and "less pain"
> are given to self.
>
> Of course, what I say to you is my own belief. It is therefore really
> only important to me. I offer you a reflection in my mirror. If you like
> what you see, so be it. If not, learn and grow in your own direction of
> choice. If you enjoy pain, avoid heart centered choices. There are those
> who actually enjoy pain. I know entities of this nature. They operate
> exclusively between "ba and ca". It is their choice. So be it.
>
> These are "my" reasons for stressing "heart" centered choices in life.
> In my opinion, "da" is where it's at!
>
> Peace
>
> Mark
> Ge Da Nop O
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:57:34 -0800
From: Geryl and Mark Waind <gandm.waindATnospamsympatico.ca>
To: Victor Gobi <victor_62ATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Help - Need guidance.
Message-ID: <34E8EE8E.591ATnospamsympatico.ca>
Victor Gobi wrote:
>
> Dear fellow meditators,
>
> The experiences I narrate in this message are purely personal and
> related to my physical constitution. I am pretty sure nobody else would
> have encountered these experiences.
>
> About me: I am 40, married, emotionally very stable. Location: NJ.
>
> I started practicing Vipassana approximately one year ago. It brought a
> remarkable physical change in me: I instantly lost appetite, and
> consequently strength and energy. I continued the practice for about
> three months when I could not cope with my daily life with lost energy.
> This was the time I gave up entirely on meat and cut down heavily on
> cholesterol.
>
> Seven months ago I switched over to Kriya Yoga, which was much more
> easier on my constitution. (The process involves, among other things,
> 'piercing' though chakras)
>
> It was then that I observed swellings/ constrictions/ burning sensations
> around my anal region - clinical name: hemorrhoids. There were instances
> of streaks of blood on the stools since then. Preparation-H had been a
> great help in this matter.
>
> The other physical change observed in my body is: my left eye (outer
> side) turned blood shot around seven months ago, and ophthalmologists
> are trying to figure out why the redness (termed Episcleritis)is not
> responding to any medication - including steroids. The redness responds
> to steroids but recurs immediately on withdrawal. I am still undergoing
> treatment for this affliction.
>
> Another symptom I observe is that my sinus gets sort of 'inflamed'.
> Though this problem was there since childhood, it has been acute in the
> last six months.
>
> I need know a way I could cap the problems, by altering meditative
> methods/ techniques etc. Suggestions would be greatly appreicated.
>
> Please help.
>
> Victor
> victor_62ATnospamhotmail.com
>
> ______________________
>
Dear Victor: All of the symptoms you have mentioned, I personally have
experienced. They are classic kundalini symptoms. The only things I
have found that help are more meditation and light to moderate physical
exercise. I also found that prolonged use of steriod medicines only
seemed to prolong my agony. Try to move the energy into and through
your heart centre. Love will find a way.
Peace
Mark
Ge Da
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:17:38 EST
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com, dturinaATnospamusa.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra
Message-ID: <87712ee5.34e8e534ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-02-16 00:37:22 EST, ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net writes:
<< the point is some people are interested in speed
granted, time is an illusion
but shit happens
and it happens in the context of time >>
Harsha writes: But there are no magic solutions dear friend. Those who offer
them are themselves confused. There are no magic solutions; there is only
Magic. See it Clearly in your own Self.
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:13:02 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
Cc: UweJohannATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
Heart Zen <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: What Color is the Self?
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On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Harsh Luthar wrote:
> Peswani wrote:
> ........ Computer has memory in silicon electrons by way of
> positive and
>
> > negative charg of electricity. Kalapa has memory by seven colurs, their
> > intensity and their mixing to form many combinations with black colour of
> > "I".
> > I am sure by now you are more confused
> > shahanshah
>
> Harsha writes: Dear Peshwani has the great power to cause laughter. This is a
> gift of no small proportion when we consider how much pain and suffering the
> world has (which dear Peshwani has rightly pointed out to us). Can we ask our
> dear and respected King of Confusion, What color is the Self?
>
> With great love in my heart and with compassion for us all...............Harsha
>
>
Self is total absence of any colour or light.Self is transparent
lide a glass. It reflects the colour of emotion lor ego without adding
anything of Its own.
Enjoy life Harsha, even this King of confusion. I have a friend
.His name is Kishan. We meet every morning and evening for two plus two
hours. All his thoughts and actions are similar to you. Whatever you
write or are going to write , I know through this Kishan friend of mine.
Fun is that we never agree and still are great buddies. My other friends
of this group can never understand this friendship and the process. We
have been together since last four years when I descended from Gangotri
(himalayas) after living in caves and wandering with saints and
collecting alms along with them to understand creation and God if any.
Shahanshah
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:46:45 EST
From: MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com
To: mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Heaviness/Numbness in Left Leg
Message-ID: <5b3a1a08.34e91638ATnospamaol.com>
Hi M-A-S,
Appreciate your and others' comments about the bb. FYI: The Victim's
Assistance Fund is paying for the surgery, and I've decided to ask the boy's
father to pay for any add'l medical expenses. I spoke with the surgeon today
(a highly respected, very technically competent--and of course,
wealthy!--sports medicine orthopedic surgeon that V's Assist. approved). He
said, and he's the ONLY one who's ever said, that I don't need to have the bb
out, but of course he'll do it if I want.
I told him about my entire leg being numb, and he insisted that it was NOT
from the bb! (My family doctor said my lower back pain was probably due to my
contorting my body to avoid the small amount of pain I do have in my knee.)
Meantime, have scheduled an appt. w/a neurologist (since my ins. does cover
THAT), and will see where that leads me. My next step may be a chiropractor,
massage...and/or who knows what.
On a related (???) note, for 3 days have been doing the grounding work from
Mystress's website--and now have tingling toes in addition to the numbness;
however, can't say that's a BAD feeling! --Thx everyone--Michele
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:56:37 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>, UweJohannATnospamaol.com,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Heart Zen <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: What Color is the Self?
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On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Peswani wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Harsh Luthar wrote:
>
This article was written for the list but it brought back my old
memory of my Reaction and it is also a letter to you.
.......I.......
Is "I"or "Me" an ego. then you are in for a surprise and hence
rightly confused.
Do you mean by this your physical body.
Or do you mean by this your thought process or your expression or
your ideas.
You have seven main bodies of thought inside you, going from
etherial to Atmic body. And all these seven bodies are rotating with time
as per the stars.
A point on the Outer etherial body controls your body actions
physically. Next moment this point changes so also the action on your
physical body.
A point on the Outer astral body controls your thought. And next
moment when this point changes then your thought changes.
Same way it happens in lower mental body, logic body, causal body,
Buddhic and Atmic body.
And each body which is rotating consists of kalapas (I have named
them k-1 to k-2 and so on to k-7).
Each rotation is in different direction and angle and is determind
by galaxical plane of the Universe.
Most of us in this time have strong K-3 bodies and development of
k-4 and k-5 is going on in some cases.
k-4 will have more influence on actions of a person than k-1 or
k-2 or k-3 if the density of kalapas is same in both bodies. But if k-4 is
not developed compared to k-3 or k-2 or k-1 , it will not be effective
without EFFORT.
So this "I" which is expression of one of the above bodies is
changing every moment. And even all these bodies are also changing with
experience of living.
This "I" is illusive and ever changing never repeating , very fleeting.
shahanshah
>
>
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