1998/02/16 09:50
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #131
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 131
Today's Topics:
RE: Patanjali [ "Peter Sutphen" <plslalATnospamclassic.msn ]
RE: Ear Ringing and 11:11 Time [ "Peter Sutphen" <plslalATnospamclassic.msn ]
RE: Unfolding Chakras, synchronicity [ Dirk_HaueterATnospamhrsoft.com (Dirk Hauet ]
RE: Who is ego? [ "Peter Sutphen" <plslalATnospamclassic.msn ]
Help - Need guidance. [ "Victor Gobi" <victor_62ATnospamhotmail.co ]
Re: postures [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net ]
Re: Help - Need guidance. [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Re: Who is ego? [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Does sharing memories help healing? [ iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com> ]
Re: What Color is the Self? [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 98 13:09:44 UT
From: "Peter Sutphen" <plslalATnospamclassic.msn.com>
To: "kundalini-l" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
"Peswani"
<peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
Subject: RE: Patanjali
Message-Id: <UPMAIL07.199802161305400675ATnospamclassic.msn.com>
Different understanding here. Shiva is all pervading intelligence. Silent,
unmanifest. Shakti is the energy within that silence. Our differentiation is
conceptual only. Shiva-Shakti, Shakti-Shiva. Just "aspects" of Self moving
within Self.
-Peter
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From: Peswani
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 1998 8:17 AM
To: kundalini-l
Subject: Patanjali
Patanjali mentions that the whole purpose of this creation is to
first create Shakti(intelligent energy) thro evolution from Shiva(nature).
And then to merge Shiva and Shakti at various levels of evolution.
Shiva without shakti causes chaos,destruction and is
directionless.
Shakti without Shiva will be stagnant and slowly will revert back
to Shiva.
Human life is a step in the direction of Shiva Shakti merger. It
has physical matter and mind, and with this combination he creates and
controls certain powers of nature.
But human life has still a great possibily of evolving to change
himself in various ratios of Shiva and Shakti in himself, so that he can
control the nature for splendours.
Out of body lives and various uses of Siddhis should be the
purpose of human life. That is why Patanjali has written on the science of
siddhis.
Today I was reading Patanjali's Sutras.
While I have been doing Suniata meditation, I ahave been coining
different words for different experiences, that I have met.
Within less than half an hour, I met with 15-20 difficult sanskrit
names for various experiences, along with cursory details.
I felt that my Suniata meditation on Buddhic lines and Patanjali's
method of meditation is same.
Hereby I give below the names used by Patanjali and equivalent
names used by me.
Patanjali Shahanshah
1. Dharana Sitting
2. Dhyana concentration
3. Vitarka samprajanta samadhi lower mental body (astral) cleaning by
suniata or pragya
meditation
4. vitarka asamprajanta samadhi Merger at lower mental body (astral)
body and cleaning
5. vicara samprajanta samadhi Causal body cleaning by
suniata or pragya meditation
6. vicara asamprajanta samadhi merger at causal body and cleaning
7. sananda samprajanta samadhi buddhic body cleaning only by
suniata meditation
8. sananda asamprajanta samadhi merger at buddhic body and
cleaning
9. sasmita samprajanta samadhi atmic body cleaning
10 prajana meditation pragya meditation
11. Sabija samadhi pragya samadhi
12. nirbija samadhi thoughtless samadhi
13. dharma megha samadhi Nirvana
14. savitarka samparjanta pragya samadhi with
disturbance
15. nirvitarka samparjanta pragya samadhi without
disturbance
Patanjali mentions that betwen the four planes of Astral, Causal,
Buddhic and Atmic level there are Gaps. And these gaps are to be cleared
by deep concentration. So that one should leave one plane and enter higher
plane keeping the awareness of the idea on which he is performing Prajna
or Pragya meditation. Patanjali ha s given no reason as to why these gaps
are there.
Patanjali gives the name to this gap samadhi as asamprajanta
samadhi. If the gap is too much,very deep concentration is required.
My inner voice says that their are two methods of crossing this
gap if the gap is too much.
One method is to go to deep caves in Himalayas (complete
Isolation) and also to observe brahamcharya,so that one has virya
(strength) and peace to go to deep concentration. Though it is initially
difficult unless the soul is sufficiently grown, but there
are advantages as well. One can go to the highest plane as per his
capacity and then seek merger in the highest evolved soul. this will
result in less effort and faster progress.
Second method is to grow by suniata meditation. After he crosses
Buddhic plane and collects WISDOM, he should seek merger with other souls
by COMPASSION and close these gaps mentioned by Patanjali. It is because
that this merger figure is so high that on e has to accept all the planes
entities and purify to cover up the shotage.
shahanshah
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 98 13:11:22 UT
From: "Peter Sutphen" <plslalATnospamclassic.msn.com>
To: "Daniel James Giszczak" <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Ear Ringing and 11:11 Time
Message-Id: <UPMAIL07.199802161307100066ATnospamclassic.msn.com>
When Momma's pots are steamin' Dad puts down da paper!
-Peter
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From: Daniel James Giszczak
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 1998 6:19 PM
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ear Ringing and 11:11 Time
Lovers kiss at 11:11. Most clocks are digital.
Dan
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:59:18 -0500
From: Dirk_HaueterATnospamhrsoft.com (Dirk Haueter)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Unfolding Chakras, synchronicity, and love
Message-ID: <00000ACA.ATnospamhrsoft.com>
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Danijel Ji,
Thanks for your reply.
Perhaps you think I should go back to talking to lamp posts (g)
what with all that talk of interconnectedness and we are missing basic
communication.
Oh well! I would like to understand your point of view not debate it so please
be patient with me. I am only a beginner in many of the experience you hold as
common. Perhaps some background might help you place my viewpoint. Then we can
build a bridge.
My simplified view of Kundalini fits it into a model - a computer has hardware,
software and current. Just so we have the body, mind and the flow of energy -
Kundalini. (over simple maybe)
My approach has been mostly through the mind. For most of my life I've practiced
a technique for allowing the mind to become still and experience consciousness
by itself without thought. The Sanskrit word for mind is Chitta - that which is
able to reflect Chit or consciousness. Think of the sun shinning on a glass of
water. If the water is clouded or full of junk it is incapable of producing a
clear reflection. When the water is clear it shines with the value of the sun.
Then the glass can say, "I AM THAT sun". Of course when this becomes part of
meditation its noticed that out of meditation the experience does not always
remain but over time it becomes a part of life. Then it seems that there was
never a time when that was not present. It is a feeling of being at home. The
home is so familiar it is in everything.
My experience with K is modest. Like everyone describes there can be a sudden
rush of energy up the spine. Some times there has been a feeling to move the
hands into mudras or a sensation in the heart or head or soles of the feet.
Regarding clearing the chakras I have never done anything systematic the way you
describe it and I wonder if it is valuable to do it that way. Certainly it
appeals to the logical mind. First you start with A. When A is done you go to B.
The alternative seems more natural. Life presents us with experience and we
react. When we react with conscious intent there is the opportunity for greater
wholeness. All the chakras are engaged in the process of living life and life
goes along pretty quick. Consciousness does not seem to be challenged by their
functioning as they are
but perhaps the current of K flow would be more. This is why I was asking about
your process. Thanks.
Love,
Dirk
<snip>
>Does it seem easier to focus the awareness on one part at a time? Is that why
>this approach works so well for you?
I don't seem to understand the question? I get the feeling like we are
talking about completely different things here. I am not talking about some
new age abstraction here. There is no theory whatsoever in what I am
describing here. Pure facts, universal facts. If one gets his/her systems
cleaned up, it all comes to that, everything else is just surface texture,
no significance whatsoever in the long run.
< unquote >
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 98 13:25:06 UT
From: "Peter Sutphen" <plslalATnospamclassic.msn.com>
To: UweJohannATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Who is ego?
Message-Id: <UPMAIL07.199802161320570972ATnospamclassic.msn.com>
He, he Uwe! Just that sense of "I" and "mine". A collapse of the Self into
the object of experience. When the identification stops. Uwe!
-Peter
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From: UweJohannATnospamaol.com
Sent: Monday, February 16, 1998 7:08 AM
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Who is ego?
Hello dear friends,=0A=0Alast days I=B4m a little bit confused (maybe lon=
ger?). A lot of you are talking=0Aabout ego. I tried to find out who he o=
r she is. At home I asked my wife, she=0Aanswered "Ego, don=B4t know him,=
is it a new neighbour?" Answering my children,=0Athey havn=B4t seen some=
thing caled ego.... or was it egon..... and started a=0Asearch in their r=
ooms (oh you can imagine, they find everything but nothing=0Athat looks l=
ike ego). So what to do. If there is anybody who can explain what=0Ait is=
, ego, for what I must have someone. You wrote "my ego wrote", but I am=
=0Anow writing too, and looking around me I see no one else here. My offi=
ce is=0Avery disorderly, maybe ego is hidden somewhere, I can=B4t see it!=
=0AOk. Hope you can help me to find any ego, or feel free to send me per =
eMail.=0AI=B4m dying to see how it looks. Or is there any meditation to f=
ocus on ego,=0Awhat chakra you suggest. Only serious advice expected.=0AT=
hanks in advance and in love=0AUwe=0APs.: If you send me an ego, please l=
et me know how to deal with it, if it is=0Avirus-free, and how long it wi=
ll be used before it goes bad.=0A
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 05:53:32 PST
From: "Victor Gobi" <victor_62ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Help - Need guidance.
Message-ID: <19980216135333.11342.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Dear fellow meditators,
The experiences I narrate in this message are purely personal and
related to my physical constitution. I am pretty sure nobody else would
have encountered these experiences.
About me: I am 40, married, emotionally very stable. Location: NJ.
I started practicing Vipassana approximately one year ago. It brought a
remarkable physical change in me: I instantly lost appetite, and
consequently strength and energy. I continued the practice for about
three months when I could not cope with my daily life with lost energy.
This was the time I gave up entirely on meat and cut down heavily on
cholesterol.
Seven months ago I switched over to Kriya Yoga, which was much more
easier on my constitution. (The process involves, among other things,
'piercing' though chakras)
It was then that I observed swellings/ constrictions/ burning sensations
around my anal region - clinical name: hemorrhoids. There were instances
of streaks of blood on the stools since then. Preparation-H had been a
great help in this matter.
The other physical change observed in my body is: my left eye (outer
side) turned blood shot around seven months ago, and ophthalmologists
are trying to figure out why the redness (termed Episcleritis)is not
responding to any medication - including steroids. The redness responds
to steroids but recurs immediately on withdrawal. I am still undergoing
treatment for this affliction.
Another symptom I observe is that my sinus gets sort of 'inflamed'.
Though this problem was there since childhood, it has been acute in the
last six months.
I need know a way I could cap the problems, by altering meditative
methods/ techniques etc. Suggestions would be greatly appreicated.
Please help.
Victor
victor_62ATnospamhotmail.com
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:43:31 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: postures
Message-ID: <34f6508f.82798689ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
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I woke up with this strange desire to start performing Grouch Marx
postures! I could smell cigar smoke all over the room and felt myself
wishing that I had a moustache.
Say the secret word and win a free gift certificate for a weekend at
the Mystress retreat in beautiful Vancouver. Taxes and Tips extra.
: )>
No, Sorry. I have not experienced or know of the moonwalk posture.
Although I suspect it might put pressure on the back of the neck
causing the release, perhaps, of some chemical or other.
Hey, kids! Don't try this one at home. It seems some people have
experienced a strange phenomenon while practcing the moonwalk posture.
There is an uncontrollable urge to marrydead rock stars relatives,
change your skin color and decorate your backyard in the never-never
land style.
: )>
It crawled into my hand! Honest, Mom, really!
Jack
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:58:09 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Victor Gobi <victor_62ATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Help - Need guidance.
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.91.980216203659.11399A-100000ATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
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On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Victor Gobi wrote:
> Dear fellow meditators,
>
> The experiences I narrate in this message are purely personal and
> related to my physical constitution. I am pretty sure nobody else would
> have encountered these experiences.
>
> About me: I am 40, married, emotionally very stable. Location: NJ.
>
> I started practicing Vipassana approximately one year ago. It brought a
> remarkable physical change in me: I instantly lost appetite, and
> consequently strength and energy. I continued the practice for about
> three months when I could not cope with my daily life with lost energy.
> This was the time I gave up entirely on meat and cut down heavily on
> cholesterol.
I have been practicing vipassana since last five years. I would
first congratulate you ...The reaction in form of diseases indicates
that you had got the technique in right manner.
But I suggest that you stop regular practice of vipassana and do
it in gaps. As soon as there is minor arissing of reaction of any sort,
(disease is one form), stop vipassana and try remain aware of disease and
accompanying pain or discomfort, till it subsides. If possible no
medication as well.
I had many diseases. Slowly and slowly, one or the other disease
would burst out and subside.
I had piles ( blood swelling in anal region). Blood will come out
in small streams occasionally. These piles started when I was 12 years
old and now I am 61. No sign of piles now. Since vipassana I stop its
medication.
>
> Seven months ago I switched over to Kriya Yoga, which was much more
> easier on my constitution. (The process involves, among other things,
> 'piercing' though chakras)
>
I kriya yoga one gets intense movements for energy outlet. But in
vipassana when one learns to obsrve sensations with awareness, one
creates outlet for energy in every pore of body and intense movement of
energy can be avoided. That is what i have observed.
> It was then that I observed swellings/ constrictions/ burning sensations
> around my anal region - clinical name: hemorrhoids. There were instances
> of streaks of blood on the stools since then. Preparation-H had been a
> great help in this matter.
>
> The other physical change observed in my body is: my left eye (outer
> side) turned blood shot around seven months ago, and ophthalmologists
> are trying to figure out why the redness (termed Episcleritis)is not
> responding to any medication - including steroids. The redness responds
> to steroids but recurs immediately on withdrawal. I am still undergoing
> treatment for this affliction.
>
> Another symptom I observe is that my sinus gets sort of 'inflamed'.
> Though this problem was there since childhood, it has been acute in the
> last six months.
>
I had severe migrain attacks. I could not digest any food.My
whole right side of body was very weak. I had a cancerous swelling below
the right side cheek inside my mouth. I had severe tonsils almost
througout the year. My sinus problem was ever present along with cough. I
had patches of rashness throughout the year on my head and behing the
ears. I coul never open my mouth above one inch without feeling severe
pain. I could not climb stairs easily due to pain in my leg joints.
Not a single disease now. In last five years I had one mild flue
attack two years back and only one day home medication solved this problem.
shahanshah
> I need know a way I could cap the problems, by altering meditative
> methods/ techniques etc. Suggestions would be greatly appreicated.
>
> Please help.
>
> Victor
> victor_62ATnospamhotmail.com
>
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>
>
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:16:40 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: UweJohannATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Who is ego?
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.91.980216210035.11399B-100000ATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 UweJohannATnospamaol.com wrote:
> Hello dear friends,
last days I´m a little bit confused (maybe longer?). A lot of you are talking
Well to add to your confusion....
Ego in human body consists of kalapas 3. Size of each kalapa is
much smaller than an electron. Every moment your body is producing
billions of kalapas(part Shakti) through thought out of physical body(Shiva).
Each kalapa has your identity (I) and emotion stamped on it.
These kalapas with your identity and emotion of the moment have
muchlonger life than your physical body. Though each kalapa dies and is
reborn billions of times in a second, but this process will continue till
the death of our solar system. Each emotion on kalapa leaves stamp of
emotion in colour. Once your "I" is stamped on the kalapa it cannot be
stolen or snatched. But you can give it away by devotion. Your size of ego
depends on the number of kalapas you have at that moment.
And this sum total of kalapas(ego) transceds to k-4 etc to k-8 to
become GOD.
Computer has memory in silicon electrons by way of positive and
negative charg of electricity. Kalapa has memory by seven colurs, their
intensity and their mixing to form many combinations with black colour of
"I".
I am sure by now you are more confused
shahanshah
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:45:31 -0800
From: iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Does sharing memories help healing?
Message-Id: <199802162343.RAA06304ATnospamsmtp1.allinfosys.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I had the daughters of a friend of mine staying with myself and my wife.
One is 13 and the other is 15 or 16 (16 I think, she has a learner's
driver's license)
My friend died in May of last year, some say suicide as he was depressed, I
don't know. He was overweight so severly that he suffered from sleep apnea.
For those who don't know what that is, it literally is that you stop
breathing for a moment and then restart. you could be sitting in a chair
having a conversation and next instant you fall asleep and moments later
wake up again...That's the simplest example of it...In his case, he was
apartment hunting and on a sixth floor balcony, then next instant he fell
over and was dead. Naturally the wife, daughters and very young son took it
extremely hard...
So when the daughters arrived for a visit, It was like flashbacks down
memory lane as my wife and I were telling them about their father, the
things they had only heard about from him but not from others. So we gave
them our memories to cherish. In doing so, we relived those same memories
too. I hope we helped the girls by giving them something to cherish...He was
a friend of almost 30 years, we grew up together. May he rest in peace and
may his family know peace.
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:45:24 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
CC: UweJohannATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
Heart Zen <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: What Color is the Self?
Message-ID: <34E86D23.63DF86E1ATnospambryant.edu>
Peswani wrote:
........ Computer has memory in silicon electrons by way of
positive and
> negative charg of electricity. Kalapa has memory by seven colurs, their
> intensity and their mixing to form many combinations with black colour of
> "I".
> I am sure by now you are more confused
> shahanshah
Harsha writes: Dear Peshwani has the great power to cause laughter. This is a
gift of no small proportion when we consider how much pain and suffering the
world has (which dear Peshwani has rightly pointed out to us). Can we ask our
dear and respected King of Confusion, What color is the Self?
With great love in my heart and with compassion for us all...............Harsha
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