1998/02/15 14:42
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #129
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 129
Today's Topics:
Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: Ear Ringing and 11:11 Time [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: Help! (2) [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: compassion [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: compassion [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: compassion [ "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> ]
Heaviness/Numbness in Left Leg [ MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com ]
Re: straying synchronicity [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Egoism [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Rajnesh [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Re: totality [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: compassion [ RndmOneATnospamaol.com ]
Kundalini after life [ Gaurav Asthana <gauravATnospamlw1.vsnl.net ]
Re: compassion [ Geryl & Mark <gandm.waindATnospamsympatico ]
Re: compassion [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: postures [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ]
ego, compassion [ nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net> ]
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:12:56 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>,
"Mystress Angelique Serpent" <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: "Danijel Turina" <dturinaATnospamusa.net>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
<heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra
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> Mirror mirror on the wall...
> Gloria, in frustration at being bested, resorts to name calling.
>
>At 09:22 13/02/98 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
>>your arrogance and not knowing is showing, what is your point? Gloria
>>
> That is the funniest thing I have seen in a week!
> ROTFLMTO!! Thanks for the hilarity.
> Blessings, Mystress.
>
> PS: These posts that come up CC: to heartzen list, do the responses from
>K-list get forwarded to Heartzen also, or do you block them out so they
>don't conflict with your narrow opinions of the correct path?
> Coz it only seems fair, if the heartzen posts are forwarded to K-list,
>that presumably it is coz you want the opinions of Kundalites..
> K-list is opened to Heartzen, but is Heartzen open to K-list, or is this
>a one way spatter? Just wondering...
>
Spattered ego on the wall....
SLAM DUNK!!!!
That rocks!
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 18:18:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ear Ringing and 11:11 Time
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Lovers kiss at 11:11. Most clocks are digital.
Dan
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 18:33:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: gwen smythe <gsmtheATnospamyahoo.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Help! (2)
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Release yourself from the fear of those things that go on around
you. Slowly become aware of them. React to them in a human manner.
Don't blame yourself for them. Relax. Detach. Continue using your
energy the way you want to use it.
Keep yourself in a positive mood as much as possible. Eat
reasonably, sleep reasonably.
Good luck.
Dan
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:33:24 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: compassion
Message-ID: <34E637D3.93B922B2ATnospammail.snet.net>
Jason S. White wrote:
> My ego wrote:
> >
> >> Ego is an excellent tool when used appropriately. This begs a question:
> >> what is appropriate, what are the effective applications? and why?
>
> David Bozzi's ego responded:
> >
> >Who uses ego?
I'm on our side.There's only one ego.
> You do. You need an e-go to write and e-mail. I do. I need one to
> respond.
Is ego needed for what's *really* needed?
> Having read many of your e-males,
> I see that you know how to see around your ego.
> When do you apply this technique, for what reasons?
Ego could respond with a gush of utter nonsense.Spirit all the while ... is
silent.
Whom would you have answer?
Peace
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:57:39 EST
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: samyanaATnospamhotmail.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra/Ramana Maharshi
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In a message dated 98-02-14 13:34:54 EST, samyanaATnospamhotmail.com writes:
<< There is neither creation nor destruction,
Neither destiny nor free-will;
Neither path nor achievement;
This is the final truth. -Sri Ramana Maharshi
>>
Beautiful quote Gloria. The Great Sage was describing the Self. Although he
was an advocate of Self-Enquiry, he approved of concentration on Ajna and
other spiritual practices as a way to check the outgoing tendency of the mind
(but suggested the aspirant needed to go further and seek the source of the
Mind and the Shakti) . Once Swami Yogananda, the founder of Self-Realization
Fellowship in the U.S, visited him and asked him what was the proper method of
spiritual practice to teach people. The Sage simply said it would be different
for everyone to suit their temprament and inclination.
What can be said of the sage Ramana
from whom emanates
the fragrance of Jnana
and yet tears would come to his eyes
hearing the stories of the devotees of the Lord.
Ramana Maharshi sat on the Hill of Arunachala, owning nothing, never asking
for any special treatment, the embodiment of tender kindness and compassion
for the spiritual aspirants. He was there for 53 years and did not wish to go
anywhere else. Great yogis, masters of meditaiton, Shankracharyas, ministers,
kings and the general public went to seek his grace. He denied no one. From
Sages of his caliber, all the gifts are free.
Harsha
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 02:24:53 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>, "Kundalini" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: compassion
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>Is ego needed for what's *really* needed?
What is it that you think you *really* need and why?
If I get your drift, then you already have what you *really* need.
Ego is just a big blind spot that makes you unable to see It sometimes.
I suggest that it is possible to see It and to work through ego at the same
time.
>
>> Having read many of your e-males,
>> I see that you know how to see around your ego.
>> When do you apply this technique, for what reasons?
>
>Ego could respond with a gush of utter nonsense.Spirit all the while ... is
>silent.
>Whom would you have answer?
So poignant. On a text based discussion forum, I would have ego answer
(which I see you have done) since silence doesn't add much in these realms!
If I said that utter silence and utter nonsense are both in the realm of
Spirit, would that just be nonsense?
Why not gush utter nonsense? There is no imperative to be silent in order
to be with Spirit. If there was, then the lurkers would be the most
enlightened and those that contribute volumes the least enlightened on the
list. We know that couldn't possibly be true!
(just a joke... hey you lurkers, give us your nonsense! :))
Tell me more.
Love. Jason.
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:32:15 -0500
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com>
To: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>, <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>,
"Kundalini" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: compassion
Message-Id: <199802150232.VAA26502ATnospamsandia.aug.com>
Jason and David, (and followers of this thread)
One order of nonsense coming.....
Obviously you are both defining "ego" differently. The semantic ego?
One-upmanship?
If we simply defined "ego" as the self being conscious, then you might
both be right. [and me too--- :-)]
There is consciousness in silence too.
There are selfish egos and altruistic egos and spiritual egos.
There may be as many kinds and degrees of "ego" as "gods"...and they
sure can get in each other's way.
Can/should the lesser forms of ego be overcome? Sure. I call it the
"radiant ego"...or unconditional love - joy. Ed :-)
-------------------------
>Is ego needed for what's *really* needed?
What is it that you think you *really* need and why?
If I get your drift, then you already have what you *really* need.
Ego is just a big blind spot that makes you unable to see It sometimes.
I suggest that it is possible to see It and to work through ego at the same
time.
>
>> Having read many of your e-males,
>> I see that you know how to see around your ego.
>> When do you apply this technique, for what reasons?
>
>Ego could respond with a gush of utter nonsense.Spirit all the while ... is
>silent.
>Whom would you have answer?
So poignant. On a text based discussion forum, I would have ego answer
(which I see you have done) since silence doesn't add much in these realms!
If I said that utter silence and utter nonsense are both in the realm of
Spirit, would that just be nonsense?
Why not gush utter nonsense? There is no imperative to be silent in order
to be with Spirit. If there was, then the lurkers would be the most
enlightened and those that contribute volumes the least enlightened on the
list. We know that couldn't possibly be true!
(just a joke... hey you lurkers, give us your nonsense! :))
Tell me more.
Love. Jason.
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 00:29:22 EST
From: MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Heaviness/Numbness in Left Leg
Message-ID: <d25a5f42.34e67d34ATnospamaol.com>
Hi All,
As part of an earlier email I mentioned that I had numbness in my left leg
(it's from my left foot all the way up to my hip). Only got one comment about
it, so I thought I'd ask for people's opinions again.
Last June, I was shot in the left outer thigh by a kid playing with a bb gun.
The bb traveled about 5 inches diagonally down my leg, stopping against my
left patella. The doctors said I was VERY lucky, that it COULD have shattered
my knee & crippled me.
Anyway, I had throbbing pain in my leg & just a little numbness for a few
months, but I was told the injury had healed quite well. I thought that
perhaps it hurt so much because I had a long tear inside the leg along the
path the bb traveled. Now, approx. 9 months later, my entire leg feels heavy
& numb--all the time. I'm starting to think that perhaps the "purpose" of the
bb injury was to get me to PAY ATTENTION to the k-symptoms I was experiencing;
it was LITERALLY my "wake up call." (A couple k-articles I've read have
listed left-leg numbness as one symptom.)
The reason I bring this all up is that I rec'd some--not a lot of--money from
a victim's assistance fund to extract the bb. After surgery, the doctor is
supposed to determine maximum medical improvement (MMI) & whether the pain is
permanent or not. (There's a 2-year statute of limitations on this whole
thing.)
I'm not the kind of person who likes to sue AT ALL. The 17-year-old who me
shot pled guilty to, & was convicted of, 3rd degree aggravated assault. His
father's homeowner's insurance would not pay my medical expenses, because it
was not an accident. The boy wrote me an apology letter--and yes I do totally
forgive him. AND I'm not even sure that extracting the bb at this point will
solve my "medical problem." (I also believe in avoiding surgery at all
costs.)
At the time of the shooting, I retained a very nice att'y, who went out of his
way in helping me get the victim's assistance, for free. His fee is 1/3 of
any settlement he gets for me after I have the surgery, reach MMI, and sue for
the rest of my medical damages and pain & suffering. So, I guess I'm in a
dilemma. I'm inclined to let it all go...but want to protect my interests in
case I'm wrong (the leg does throb periodically after I walk long distances).
If I do let it all go, I'll feel as if the att'y has not been rewarded for his
efforts (I can't offer him any money out of what I rec'd from Victim's
Assistance for the surgeon, as they wrote a check directly to him & say they
won't allow me to change "providers." (I would prefer to spend the funds on an
acupuncturist, for example) .... And I still have the k-symptoms!
So what do you think? What specific treatment would others seek, given my
symptoms (for example, Reiki...or what?) If I explain my Kundalini theory to
anyone, they'll probably refer me to a funny farm. Thanks for your
assistance--Michele
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:21:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
cc: fredaATnospamblarg.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: straying synchronicity
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>Original message
>about "Wake up!" thought and a candle falling
Hmmm... Sometimes I wish I'd read my email more often.
I sing a lot, and I'm pretty good at it.
This Christmas eve, I went to a service with my friend around
9:00. I went to sing, but the singing was less than inspiring. My friend
was also being rather annoying because she was quite irreverent and was
talking about sex during service. I would rather have been reverent, so I
quieted her, but being in the front row aisle seat, I didn't want to make
a scene. But, I continued to remain annoyed during the remainer of the
service.
The last song was particularly spiritless, and I suddenly thought
"Everybody, wake up!" I felt a little better, but I was still annoyed.
Both my friend and I like excitement, and her uninhibited, outgoing
personality are always fun to be around. Always, except, that is, in
church. I wanted reverence, and she wanted fun.
The final hymn was approaching, and we had all extinguished our
candles from the candlelit service. I had admired the use of McDonalds
lids to catch the wax because I had only seen cardboard used before. As I
sat singing the final hymn, the ushers came to put out the aisle candles.
At the first aisle, I watched as the first usher removed the glass casing
from around the candle. He was old and not so steady for just one second,
and the glass tapped the lit candle. I stared upward and coldly
calculated exactly what I would do if it fell. I was tensed and ready.
The brass extinguishing cane moved above the candle, and then came down
too quickly. The candle fell. Like a stone, and struck me in the leg
leaving a gob of warm wax on my grey corduroy pants.
The candle had gone out in midair, and I placidly reached down and
handed it to the usher.
Dan
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:12:00 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Gloria Lee <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Egoism
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EGOISM
shahanshah says with conviction against the realised spiritualists
that it is better to surrender your ego to DEVIL rather than try to become
egoless.
Worst are those who try becoming egoless. This is worse than
suicide. Though Intelligent Energy(God,for most of you) has seen to it
that it is extremly difficult to become egoless without outside help.
Those who surrender their ego to Devil are much much better.
And those who surrender their ego to ALIVE representive of
physically dead realised soul are the best. (say Radhaswamy disciples,
Nirankari disciples etc.)
And those who surrender their ego to ALIVE realised soul are
second best. (Say disciples of Satya Sai Baba)
And those who are egoist are the third best.(say Shahanshah)
Reasons are..................
1)An Omniscient Energy has given ego to each and every life for
survival and rewarded it with status according to the size of ego. It is
said that each human life has grown its ego in 8 million different lives.
2)This Omniscient Energy has also seen to it that each and every
moment of alive life increases the ego of that life. That means that all
life in Universe produces ego all the time according to its maximum size.
3)Also no one can waste this ego by killing it. If someone tries
it under some negative influence, his part ego is taken away by any one
who has the opportunity. And he cannot but avoid regrowing with lower
status. Life is a struggle and it is a punishme nt to remain in physical
life. Earlier an indivitual grows to spirit life better it is.
4) Devilness requires intelligence. A devil is bound to have a big
big ego though it is negative. If one surrenders partly to a devil, the
devil has the intelligence to take whole of you thro that part. And you
become one with the devil. Total ego grows
being sum of both. At some stage the devil suffers so much due to his
negative ego that he surrenders totally to higher realised soul (and his
selection of high realised soul will be correct due to his high
intelligence). Or he purifies his ego by his in telligence to become a
realised soul himself.
5) Best are those who select an alive guru of of an organisation
of past dead guru. I have given an example of Radhaswamis of India. Here a
collective merger is going on. Once a person enters Radhaswami
organisation, he is hooked for ever. He may be a r eluctant devotee, but
the great big ego of the organisation will pull him in birth by birth,
till he disappears in the sea of organised ego. He will be the part nay he
will be the whole of organisation. Whether a drop of water in sea merges
in sea or whol e sea merges in drop of water, it is one and the same
thing.
6) Next best is Indivitual alive realised soul. Example is that of
Satya Sai Baba. Slowly and slowly Satya Sai Baba is manifesting thro
various devotees and growing. He is creating a sea of his own. He is
pulled in many souls successfully. Even after he is dead , some or the
other devotee of his will be alive in whom he is manifesting to continue
the process. Swamy Muktanand is another example. Gurumai is his alive
example.
7) The last best are egoist of Shahanshah type. they will grow
with pain of births on their own till sufficient Wisdom is collected to
seek merger in direct Omniscient Energy. If they are unsuccessful, they
will have sufficient wisdom to guide themselves
to proper organisation and then surrender totally.
SO NEVER NEVER TRY TO BE EGOLESS. IF SOME ONE BIG ENOUGH HAS THE
CAPACITY TO TAKE AWAY YOUR EGO, RESIST TO TEST HIM AND THEN
SURRENDER.ONLY THEN HE CAN TAKE WHOLE OF YOUR EGO.
shahanshah
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:21:49 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Rajnesh
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Patanjali mentions that the whole purpose of this creation is to
first create Shakti(intelligent energy) thro evolution from Shiva(nature).
And then to merge Shiva and Shakti at various levels of evolution.
Shiva without shakti causes chaos,destruction and is
directionless.
Shakti without Shiva will be stagnant and slowly will revert back
to Shiva.
Human life is a step in the direction of Shiva Shakti merger. It
has physical matter and mind, and with this combination he creates and
controls certain powers of nature.
But human life has still a great possibily of evolving to change
himself in various ratios of Shiva and Shakti in himself, so that he can
control the nature for splendours.
Out of body lives and various uses of Siddhis should be the
purpose of human life. That is why Patanjali has written on the science of
siddhis.
Today I was reading Patanjali's Sutras.
While I have been doing Suniata meditation, I ahave been coining
different words for different experiences, that I have met.
Within less than half an hour, I met with 15-20 difficult sanskrit
names for various experiences, along with cursory details.
I felt that my Suniata meditation on Buddhic lines and Patanjali's
method of meditation is same.
Hereby I give below the names used by Patanjali and equivalent
names used by me.
Patanjali Shahanshah
1. Dharana Sitting
2. Dhyana concentration
3. Vitarka samprajanta samadhi lower mental body (astral) cleaning by suniata or pragya
meditation
4. vitarka asamprajanta samadhi Merger at lower mental body (astral) body and cleaning
5. vicara samprajanta samadhi Causal body cleaning by
suniata or pragya meditation
6. vicara asamprajanta samadhi merger at causal body and cleaning
7. sananda samprajanta samadhi buddhic body cleaning only by
suniata meditation
8. sananda asamprajanta samadhi merger at buddhic body and
cleaning
9. sasmita samprajanta samadhi atmic body cleaning
10 prajana meditation pragya meditation
11. Sabija samadhi pragya samadhi
12. nirbija samadhi thoughtless samadhi
13. dharma megha samadhi Nirvana
14. savitarka samparjanta pragya samadhi with
disturbance
15. nirvitarka samparjanta pragya samadhi without
disturbance
Patanjali mentions that betwen the four planes of Astral, Causal,
Buddhic and Atmic level there are Gaps. And these gaps are to be cleared
by deep concentration. So that one should leave one plane and enter higher
plane keeping the awareness of the idea on which he is performing Prajna
or Pragya meditation. Patanjali ha s given no reason as to why these gaps
are there.
Patanjali gives the name to this gap samadhi as asamprajanta
samadhi. If the gap is too much,very deep concentration is required.
My inner voice says that their are two methods of crossing this
gap if the gap is too much.
One method is to go to deep caves in Himalayas (complete
Isolation) and also to observe brahamcharya,so that one has virya
(strength) and peace to go to deep concentration. Though it is initially
difficult unless the soul is sufficiently grown, but there
are advantages as well. One can go to the highest plane as per his
capacity and then seek merger in the highest evolved soul. this will
result in less effort and faster progress.
Second method is to grow by suniata meditation. After he crosses
Buddhic plane and collects WISDOM, he should seek merger with other souls
by COMPASSION and close these gaps mentioned by Patanjali. It is because
that this merger figure is so high that on e has to accept all the planes
entities and purify to cover up the shotage.
Rajnesh and the chakras
1. Muldhara......Physical......sex.......................Brahamcharya
2. Swadhisthan...Etherical.....fear,hate, anger..........fearless,love,
violence forgiveness,compassion
3. Manipur.......Astral........doubt,thinking.........shrada, vivek
4. Anahat........Mental........imagination,dreaming...detemination,vision
5. Vishudhe......Causal........sleep,distress......... awareness, bliss
6. Agya..........Atmic.........isness,tathata,egolessness
7. Sahashar......Nirvanic......?????????
shahanshah
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 02:16:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: totality
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>> Dieter Dambiec...
> Are you saying intellect develops consciousness?
Because intellect is complex, and because it is likely that
introversion perhaps to the point of neuroticism accompanies it,
intellect, especially genius must be overcome (or at least tamed) to
develop consciousness.
Dan
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 02:51:45 EST
From: RndmOneATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: compassion
Message-ID: <2660f005.34e69e93ATnospamaol.com>
Nonsense....define nonsense........=)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:08:29 +0000 (GMT)
From: Gaurav Asthana <gauravATnospamlw1.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Kundalini after life
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Hi all,
What happens to K after one passes out of existence.Does it also
die as other organs of the system or transforms into some other kind of
thing.Suppose the energy emenating from kundalini keeps on flowing out
even after the body has turned into a corpse.What may happen then.It may
take the form of a spirit or some other supernatural energy.If anyone can
suggest some reasonable explanation,it would be welcomed.
Rahul Nandan
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:50:05
From: Geryl & Mark <gandm.waindATnospamsympatico.ca>
To: Geoff Wheeler <gwheelerATnospamcgocable.net>, david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
Cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: compassion
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At 11:31 AM 2/14/98 -0500, Geoff Wheeler wrote:
>Dear David
>
>What has ego to do with compassion? Spiritual awakening is a path of
becoming
>ego less. Open your heart, let go of intellect. Breathe!
>
>Christina
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Dear List: I find myself wholeheartedly agreeing with Christina. Intellect
is centered between the solar plexus and the heart. It is the half way
point. Compassion is heart created - the purest of humanly expressed love -
the power to heal anything!
Mark
Ge Da Nop O
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>David Bozzi wrote:
>
>> Jason S. White wrote:
>>
>> > Ego is an excellent tool when used appropriately. This begs a question:
>> > what is appropriate, what are the effective applications? and why?
>>
>> Who uses ego?
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>
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:23:25 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: gwheelerATnospamcgocable.net, david.bozziATnospamsnet.net, gandm.waindATnospamsympatico.ca
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: compassion
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>At 11:31 AM 2/14/98 -0500, Geoff Wheeler wrote:
>>Dear David
>>
>>What has ego to do with compassion? Spiritual awakening is a path of
>becoming
>>ego less. Open your heart, let go of intellect. Breathe!
>>
>>Christina
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>Dear List: I find myself wholeheartedly agreeing with Christina.
Intellect
>is centered between the solar plexus and the heart. It is the half way
>point. Compassion is heart created - the purest of humanly expressed
love -
>the power to heal anything!
>
>Mark
>Ge Da Nop O
-Glo Lee here:--------------------------------------------------
Well, ego and intellect..and even compassion are merely all
manifestations..but-of WHAT?? They make better servants than
masters..but by what violence do you propose to rid yourself of them..
entirely??? By your own terms, here, why not use your compassion (love)
or "power to heal anything" to heal your ego and intellect then??Just
Who is letting go?? and of what?? Is this not just another form of
resistance?? To desire to move away or resist your own nature..?? Hmm>>I
think I understand your good intentions here to suggest NOT to be
identified solely or exclusively with your intellect or ego ..so then
why identify with just your "compassion"?? Perhaps...in his own
succinct way, this is what David Bozzi is asking you to look at??? Who
is making all these distinctions..to cut your self up into so many parts
and choose among them??? Are they not all just manifestations...why
value them so differently??
>>David Bozzi wrote:
>>
>>> Jason S. White wrote:
>>>
>>> > Ego is an excellent tool when used appropriately. This begs a
question:
>>> > what is appropriate, what are the effective applications? and
why?
>>>
>>> Who uses ego?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:09:55 EST
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: gandm.waindATnospamsympatico.ca
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: postures
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Dear Mark,
No, Sorry. I have not experienced or know of the moonwalk posture. Although
I suspect it might put pressure on the back of the neck causing the release,
perhaps, of some chemical or other.
I love the Groucho Marx, though! I must admit I burst out laughing. He sounds
like an amusing entity. (except for the cigar smoke!)
Perhaps the list can use the humor?!.
Thanks!, Love, Hillary
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:42:26 -0500
From: nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: ego, compassion
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"Love. Jason."
Ohhh, this looks so much nicer than the other version. : )
(gggg). Just my ego jumping in. Otherwise, I might have been
tempted to say something naughty like, "don't you wish."
Love, Light and Laughter,
Sherry
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