1998/02/13 13:43
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #126
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 126
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:02:29 From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
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At 09:20 12/02/98 +0200, Robert Lalouette wrote: >The following is an excerpt from your mail confirming my subscription to
your mailing >list. I have several times tried to get unsuscribed but to no avail, your system keeps >telling me that it cannot find my name on the list.
Well, the reason for that is very simple. The computer looks at the
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>lalouettATnospammj.org.za .. and the address in your header are not the same. So it cannot find you.
Since apparently your mailaddress has changed, I will unsub you.. I usually try to avoid doing that, as it is about 80x more difficult for me
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:02:53 +0800 From: "Charles Attfield"
To: "Kundalini Mailing List" Subject: Third Eye and the Kundalini
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Chris Hughes gave details on an excellent book called "Third Eye and the Kundalini." This book gives an excellent account of one man's experiences with Kundalini as it progressed through his chakras to the Crown Chakra, thus the sub heading of the book "From Dust to Divinity." This is actually the second book in a series of three on his story. The first is the one I referred to in my postin earlier called "Psycho-analysis and meditation - (The Theory and Practice of Psycho-Analytical Meditation)" by B.S. Goel ISBN 81-85082-03-0 Third Eye Foundation of India.
It may be possible to find it on sale in good metaphysical bookshops without having to order it from India. Two weeks ago I saw 'Psycho-analysis and Meditation' saw it on sale in Cosmic Pages, Adelaide, Australia, so I'm sure there must be bigger and more diverse bookshops in USA and UK etc.
True this information may not be of value to k-list members who have awakened kundalinis but there are many of us who have not, and yet realise the immense value in understanding and supporting the whole process. Soul awareness takes us away from individual purpose to group purpose and ultimately the evolution of the whole of humanity.
In light and Love
Chas
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Wow! didn't think anyone else had such experiences.
Ed :-) --------------
-> Has anyone else had experiences like this, and can anyone tell me which
chakra they may relate to? Very often, I'll be thinking of something, and in that stream of thought there might be a particular word e.g. "water". Say I
switch on the TV or just change channels - immediately the word "water" is spoken by someone on the TV. The words are usually not ones that arecommonly
used. Or another example - I'm listening to some music and reading a newspaper at the same time. On the record is the word "taco" - that same instant I see
the word "taco" in the newspaper. This isn't exaggeration. Another time I was thinking about an account of a Gulf War prisoner who described his Iraqi
captors as all having Saddam Hussein-type moustaches. I switched the TV on and the
first thing I saw was a woman TV presenter wearing a false moustache. Philip K.
Dick territory or what?
Tom Bradley ->
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:56:12 EST From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
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In a message dated 98-02-11 23:01:27 EST, keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu writes:
< Harsha mentioned, and many teachers
have as well (e.g. Sri Chinmoy), that concentration should begin with the heart cakra. >>
Harsha writes: Yes, I had said that for many aspirants Anahata is a good
place to start as it is safer and allows for gradual unfolding. However, there are no universal rules. People have different inclinations which are natural
to them. Those who practice pranayama (under guidance) may find it useful to combine it with concentration and meditation on the Manipura and Ajna. As I
mentioned in my paper (at the Kundalini home site), Kundalini is more easily awakened with meditations on Ajna, Sahasarara, Manipura etc. Sometimes
aspirants start with muladhara and work their way up (meditating on each center for several months). When I was initiated, my Gurudev told me to make
my primary meditation on the Sahasarara. I enjoyed meditating on all the centers and exploring their energies, but spent more time with Sahasarara as
that was my primary aim. Ultimately I realized that there is a Reality beyond all the Centers which transcends Superconscious states, all thought and doubt.
Where ever we start and where ever we meditate, we are bound to end up in our own Self, the Eternal Being. May we all become true devotees of the Lord of
Life and obtain his grace and mercy. God bless everyone with all that is best in life.
Harsha
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May the Goddess in all her aspects and guises protect you in all that you do. May the
Goddess and the God inspire you and shine through you in your excellent work. May you
feel blessed and be protected always by your own strong spirit. May your spirit guide
lead you ever onwards to enlightenment.
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Hi!
Thanks to everyone who answered my question. The rationale I myself tried to use the experience is this - an intelligence is hiding behind reality, and
it's aware of us. It's vast in categories of time and space (God in other words I suppose), and feels an affinity for us due to the fact that we too possess
intelligence. And sometimes it likes to make its presence felt to us personally by dropping little synchronistic hints. If anyone's familiar with the writings
of Carlos Castaneda, he writes of a force called "Intent", a factor that sorcerers need to be able to call on. But first they need to strenghten and
clean their link with Intent. But how do we do this with the synchronistic factor? I suppose a strenghtened link with the synchronistic factor would be of
great advantage, especially since it would permit you to be ahead of your environment in special ways. But are there techniques which might help, other
than prayer and so on - how do we build a relationship with this thing? Tom
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 05:56:38 EST From: QwartzATnospamaol.com
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: My friend
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Hello list. I rarely post, but I'm sitting here emotionally exhausted and feeling so helpless in my efforts to help my friend and neighbor. She is an 84
year old woman whom I've gotten to know over the years quite well. She comes to my home nearly every day for companionship. Her name is Mary, and she's
become a part of my family. She has no other family here...her only son lives nearly 500 miles away.
The problem: Something happened to her last friday. Something physical that
took part of her mind, like a stroke or something. I've been very concerned for her welfare and her health, and yesterday she had heart failure and was
taken to the hospital. That's not the problem, I've been begging her to let me take her to the hospital for nearly a week. The problem is that yesterday,
when I was alerted to the fact by a friend of hers that there was a problem (mary had fainted while talking to this other friend on the phone), I dashed
over to access the situation, and she broke down and started sobbing that she didn't want to die, she wasn't ready to die. At that moment I knew I had to
calm her before dialing 911. So I did the best I could. Her other friend showed up within minutes which helped cause she dialed 911 while I talked to
Mary.
In the midst of this horrible situation, I was at once relived that she was finally going to the hospital, yet I had this funny vision of this little old
woman with angels pulling her by both arms and there she is kicking and screaming, "NO, I'm not ready, I don't want to go!"
I want desperately to help ease her fears of death. Her fear drove her to near
hysteria yesterday. I'm searching the depths of my soul for just one statement that might bring her some comfort. I'm trying to open myself for the guidance
to have the right words flow at the right time. I prayed for that yesterday. But my purpose for posting here is that maybe there aren't any words to do
that. Maybe opening my heart and trying to envelope her with love would be enough. Maybe it can all be done through listening and loving.
Any suggestions would be appreciated. Mary tunes out religious talk. She just
doesn't want to hear it. I want to tell her how beautiful things are going to be for her once she passes on. I don't want to see her die with fear in her
heart.
Blessings Pam
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:30:48 -0500 From: Harsh Luthar
To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" CC: "'Danijel Turina'" ,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" Subject: Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra
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Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> Kurt says: > Wherever one concentrates one mind (manas) the energy (prana) follows.
> Kundalini is awakened when energy enters the central channel. There are 10 > entry points (in the classical literature) to the central channel. The ajna
> has one. The heart has one as well. If youbring your concentration through > these cakras to the central channel then you will awaken kundalini. That's
> the value > Kind Regards
> Kurt
Harsha writes: Kurt is absolutely right and has a very deep understanding. Wherever awareness is focused, energy will follow. This is the plain and simple
truth and the basis for all Shakti Yogas. We have to find out what happens when Awareness focuses on Itself. Where does the energy go then? May the Shakti show
us the Way!
God bless everyone..............Harsha Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:38:12 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher To: Teresa
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra
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Hi Teresa:
>Sounds like a good conversation. I'm on the HeartZen list and did not
>catch all >of it. But here is my two cents.
> >As a 'good' Buddhist, I have been taught, and truly believe, that indeed it is
>fine to take advantage of all (non-harmful) methods to become enlightened, but >that the goal is truly to become enlightenend and to assist in others'
>enlightenment.
I am Buddhist, too, as well as Christian.
The difference here is more than a difference of specific paths. It's the night-and-day difference between a negative path and a positive path.
On a negative path the seeker tries to clear everything out of herself to
make room for God to come in and fill the space. When you were listening to your ego screaming as you denied it and pushed it down, it tore at my
heart. It is NOT necessary to do such violence to yourself. You can take a positive path - turn and reach for the goal with everything that is in
you.
The Shadow is nothing but all the parts of yourself that you deny and push down into the unconscious. The more you push down, the bigger and more
threatening the Shadow becomes. Whatever you do not admit into the conscious light lurks and grows outside the circle of the light, outside of
your conscious awareness and scope of control, and will appear in you or outside you, in the events of your world, perhaps with uncanny effects.
Better to know what is in you. Better to accept all of yourself, dark and
light. Better to love and embrace and heal all of yourself. And then in power, shoot for the goal!
>It's great to cut corners,
An active path, like Vajrayana, does not "cut corners," it actively pursues
the goal with passion, great force of spirit, and deep sense of purpose - it is direct and in most cases faster.
>but we need to remember where we're going.
Always - until we get there. Then we need to remember where we have been
and turn to helping others.
Love, Ann
>Danijel Turina wrote:
> >> Hi Gloria! :)
>> >> At 13:44 1998.02.12 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
>> >> > the results are not permanent, and also other things I wrote about >> before.
>> >> > Oh well, let Gloria give people instructions on getting themselves >> >> > heart-centered, I'll give them instructions on how to activate and use
>> the >> >> > up-stream kriya, and they will make a choice. :)
>> >> >> >> Gloria here:
>> >> >> >> I think we are coming from a little different place,
>> >> Yes, I would say so myself. ;) More than a little, I would say.
>> >> >> this is a lifetime
>> >> process and each individual has issues that he/she is working through. >>
>> Yes, that is one way of seeing things. The other way is that there are more >> and less effective ways of doing that; some ways need only a few days to
>> solve problems that other ways manage to avoid for lifetimes. >>
>> >> When it is done through great humility and surrender then the way is >> >> clear, when it is done from thinking and trying, or looking for methods
>> >> as if it were a race or something to win, it is just a whole different >> >> attitude that you are going in with.
>> >> ;)))))))))))
>> >> >> I work with people getting into that clear space inside, letting go of
>> >> all of the outside concepts and really releasing themselves into the >> >> pure frequency of becoming that which is the true self. In doing this
>> >> :)))))))))))))) ROTFL :)))))))))))) Gloria, don't make me laugh so hard,
>> please. ;))))))) Ups. :))) Clear space inside? ;)))) Letting go of the >> OUTSIDE concepts? I don't think we are talking about the same thing
>>here. ;))) >>
>> >> the proper method naturally activates because it is designed by them as >> >> spirits to fit their precise set of karmic circumstances along with the
>> >> life that they are relating through. In this then the way opens and each >> >> person knows the way...not because they are looking to someone else to
>> >> tell them, but because they have opened up to who they are and why they >> >> are here. Isn't this what this is about?
>> >> :))))))))) Just do it your way, I'll do it mine. Nothing more to be said
>> there. >>
>> >> Then if they are meant to have a teacher the teacher is there, and if it >> >> is the time for them to spend some years in that inner connecting that
>> >> is fine also. Remember there isn't a race here it is about experiencing >> >> the souls purpose for being. GG
>> >> Oh well... ;)))
>> >> Have fun, take care! :))
>> >> -----
>> E-mail : dturinaATnospamusa.net >> Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:06:27 EST From: QwartzATnospamaol.com
To: gsdonneATnospamiinet.net.au, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: My friend
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In a message dated 98-02-13 08:49:00 EST, you write:
< Has no belief in anything else after life.
I enclose a story I wrote some time back. I dont know why. It has an old lady in it and is about love and dying and friendship. >>
You hit the nail on the head. The root of this fear is her belief that there's
nothing beyond this life.
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for the story. It made me cry, it made me smile, and it gave me tremendous shivers. It's so nice to be touched so
deeply by words. It is so very special to me that you shared the story, it helps a great deal. You're a fabulous writer.
Many Blessings friend,
Pam Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:26:19 -0500
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Danijel Turina writes":)))) Just some stuff specific to my technique: seven levels of purifying
the Kundalini-flow. The rules are not yet quite clear to me mentally, but there seems to be an empirical rule about that: the second level is
accessed by clearing a huge block on mula-adhara and stopping at sva-adhisthana. The third level is accessed by clearing sva-adhisthana...
and the seventh level by clearing ajna. When the chakra is cleared, one can access its full potential, not before that. That is the explanation behind
some things; for instance, when one gets his/her throat chakra activated, it is usually associated with freedom of verbal expression, seeing blue
etc. Visuddha, on the sixth level of Kundalini, at its full power... oh well, no need of telling _you_ that, isn't there? ;))) Pronouncing the
Reality. Enough said."
Thanks Danijel. This is wonderfully different view for me. Almost a paradox how this is true, yet also somehow different. For me all the chakras are so
connected. Like a holograph - break off a peice and the whole image is contained in the small peice. Was it Shri Angelique who notice that we can do grounding
from within the heart? You can locate everything inside the heart including the root chakra.
Does it seem easier to focus the awareness on one part at a time? Is that why
this approch works so well for you?
Life does not always work that way. We walk arround with all our chakras spinning in their different ways taking in beauty. Experiences are effecting us
all over. Its not always linear vertical. This garden of words that we now interact is a good example. When you came in with your first post it was like
the warmth of a thousand smiles inside. Do you think we are interacting through words alone? Can you feel the tranquility and wisdom of Harsha or the tenderness
and detachment of Gloria. This is more than the ideas they put on your screen. It is a flow of love beyond any trivial concepts.
Many people now are noticing synchronity. We are all becoming more conscious.
More aware of the interconnectedness of all things. Two events in different points in space are seen as part of the same phenomena. Some times this occurs
accross time as well. De ja vue. As my teacher said, "Time is only a concept to measure eternity." Now time is a part of the creative perception of our
reality, but sometimes in surprising ways we find ourselves peaking through the illusion. The yoga sutras take of a siddhi for knowing past and future. Why not?
They are all happening simultaneously.
Much Joy. Love,
Dirk Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:39:01 -0400
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I feel a rumbling like hoofbeats in the distance. I tingle all over. The
cavalry is coming, all right! Or maybe it's the Wells Fargo Wagon. Can't wait to see.
Oh, great, now I'm going to be singing that song from "The Music Man" all day. :-P
Blessings,
Orea
Daniel Tal wrote:
> > > You folks are feeling crown pressure, eh? I am feeling feet that tingle
> >so much they almost hurt.. just like before last summer's crown chakra > >opening.. we are moving toward an evlutionary leap.. fasten yer seatbelts!!
> > I think you are right.
> > Dan
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:39:49 +0100 From: Danijel Turina
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Hi Dirk! :)
At 22:26 1998.02.12 -0500, you wrote:
>Danijel Turina writes":)))) Just some stuff specific to my technique: seven >levels of purifying
>the Kundalini-flow. The rules are not yet quite clear to me mentally, but >there seems to be an empirical rule about that: the second level is
>accessed by clearing a huge block on mula-adhara and stopping at >sva-adhisthana. The third level is accessed by clearing sva-adhisthana...
>and the seventh level by clearing ajna. When the chakra is cleared, one can >access its full potential, not before that. That is the explanation behind
>some things; for instance, when one gets his/her throat chakra activated, >it is usually associated with freedom of verbal expression, seeing blue
>etc. Visuddha, on the sixth level of Kundalini, at its full power... oh >well, no need of telling _you_ that, isn't there? ;))) Pronouncing the
>Reality. Enough said." >
>Thanks Danijel. This is wonderfully different view for me. Almost a paradox how
>this is true, yet also somehow different. For me all the chakras are so >connected. Like a holograph - break off a peice and the whole image is
contained >in the small peice. Was it Shri Angelique who notice that we can do grounding
>from within the heart? You can locate everything inside the heart including the
>root chakra.
;))))) Quite poetically said, but only partially true. All of the chakras can indeed be found within the heart... on the lower level. But, less known
part of that story - and that is because only few have managed to raise themselves above anahata 5 - is that the heart can be found within the
throat (visuddha 6), and the throat can be found within ajna (ajna 7). When I say that compared to these centers anahata is nothing, I mean literally
that. For instance, some of my students have extremely strong anahata or ajna activity, but _none_ of them is above mani-pura 4. Activity of the
chakra's ksetram (radiating area) doesn't mean anything here. It is more like the dimensional range of the personality. The depth of consciousness.
>Does it seem easier to focus the awareness on one part at a time? Is that why
>this approch works so well for you?
I don't seem to understand the question? I get the feeling like we are talking about completely different things here. I am not talking about some
new age abstraction here. There is no theory whatsoever in what I am describing here. Pure facts, universal facts. If one gets his/her systems
cleaned up, it all comes to that, everything else is just surface texture, no significance whatsoever in the long run.
>Life does not always work that way. We walk arround with all our chakras
>spinning in their different ways taking in beauty. Experiences are effecting us
>all over. Its not always linear vertical.
Now think again what I meant by vertical. ;))) Hint: Mystress here got it perfectly. ;)
>This garden of words that we now
>interact is a good example. When you came in with your first post it was like >the warmth of a thousand smiles inside. Do you think we are interacting
through >words alone? Can you feel the tranquility and wisdom of Harsha or the
tenderness >and detachment of Gloria. This is more than the ideas they put on your
screen. >It is a flow of love beyond any trivial concepts.
;)))) Oh well, if you like it this way... ;)))
:) :* :)
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:54:32 +0100 From: Danijel Turina
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Hi Gloria! :) At 09:22 1998.02.13 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
>your arrogance and not knowing is showing, what is your point? Gloria
;))))))) Whatever my point is, you're proving it better than I expected. ;)))
Have fun. :))
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