1998/02/12 17:04
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #125
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 125
Today's Topics:
Re: Psychic synchronicity [ Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.co ]
Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Centre [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Psychic synchronicity [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
RE: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
RE: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
RE: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net> ]
Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net> ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: Concentrating on the [ Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com> ]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:26:49 +0000
From: Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Psychic synchronicity
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I have my own take on this, which goes like this:
Most everyone now will know about black holes and how matter warps
space/time. Anything with mass creates a kind of pit that pulls things
towards it. The pit is three dimensional rather than flat (don't think
about this too hard or your brain will start to hurt...) but it works just
like a dip in a flat surface would except that it will attract things from
all directions rather than just in the same plane.
So - what if soul stuff creates a space that works in the same kind of way?
Instead of mass, it's the amount of soul stuff and its quality (using
whatever dimensions you want to use) that determines the warp. And it's not
space, but probabilities or coincidences that get warped according to their
meaning.
One way to imagination a personality would be as a self-sustaining pattern
of soul stuff. The warps it creates are going to depend on the qualities it
has, and also the amount. Deep pits - which would probably correspond to
anything related to strong emotions or desires - would create a bigger
warp, and so have more of an 'attractive' force than areas that just don't
matter that much.
Because we're alive the whole thing probably flows in an interesting
amoeba-like way, dancing round a base-level state but never resting there.
So some attractions will be very temporary and not very meaningful. A lot
of trivial everyday synchronicity probably falls into this category.
To make life interesting, there's no correlation between which parts are
conscious to an individual and which aren't. At a guess consciousness can
act as either a release valve for knots and pits that aren't conscious, or
as a focus that can create new ones. You can play with either of these
options as you like. The conscious one is more fun, but takes a lot more
skill. For most people the unconscious ones will be more powerful.
So - depending on how people are made up, they're going to be affected by
the kinds of coincidences that resonate with their own energy pattern. This
is where the 'you create your reality' idea comes from. As we all know,
it's what you're not aware that usually has the strongest effects. Unless
you're very good at focussing and shifting energy around deliberately, the
unconscious knots will probably rule your life.
Now, when something like a K flare happens the energy in the whole system
intensifies. Everything gets stronger and deeper. I noticed that as soon as
I have my flares, the synchronicity meter starts to redline. I don't get
bothered by this - it's more a kind of 'uh huh...' feeling - but it does
make life interesting. And these days I use it to monitor where I am. When
the synchronicities stop I feel like I've lost the plot somewhere - so it's
back to the meditation...
If you're really, really good, you'd be able to push and pull your energy
around like toffee (taffy for our transatlantic colleagues) and pretty much
get it to do what you want - thereby arranging coincidences to order. (A
useful defintion of magic.) Most people don't come anywhere close to that.
Even the ones who are playing with it deliberately are just beginners. But
it seems like a fun kind of technology to explore. And once you get K
happening, you have more potential to get some joy out of it than people
who don't. But also more potential for wallowing in knots and painful areas
where the soul stuff is stuck, not flowing properly, and attracting
negative experiences.
I've left out how individual's (and groups') patterns of energy interact
within this soul-space. I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader. :)
Please remember that this is all just a metaphor. There may or may not be a
tangible kind of soul stuff. My guess is there is, and we'll be finding out
about it over the next fifty years or so. But of course I don't know for
sure. (Sorry 'bout that. :) )
Anyway - hope that provides a serious answer to the question of what I know
about kundalini. :)
R.
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:14:39 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Charles Attfield <attfieldATnospamtnet.com.au>
CC: "Kundalini Mailing List heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Centre
Message-ID: <34E2CB8C.3C84ATnospamintercomm.com>
Charles Attfield wrote:
>
>
> In the book 'Psycho-analysis and Meditation' by BS Goel printed by the
> Third Eye Foundation of India, he refers to what is know as the 'jet
> experience' which one can experience after years of focusing on the
> ajna centre in meditation. It is called the jet experience on account
> of the sensation experienced. This is experienced like a mini flame
> burning at a point of light between the two eyebrows. It is the state
> of emergence of consciousness in which one's consciousness shifts to
> that point and from then on one becomes an observer, or witness, in
> meditation, slowly moving backwards through one's past experiences in
> a kind of self psycho-analysis. This is a slow journey taking many
> years of meditation after the jet experience until ultimately
> liberation is attained.
>
> Light and Love
> Chas
Chas,
You just have to understand what your goal for your meditation is, some
people want to enter the silence and to know God within, if you find
this to be the first step on the journey then I recommend using the
heart as the focus center with the direct experience of Self as the
outcome of this experience. Others want to have that jet experience of
simply slowly entering into the stream and becoming absorbed into it,
which is what you describe. By going into the heart center you will also
naturally move into this but you will be doing it with the consciousness
of letting go. It all takes you to the same place anyway, so it really
doesn't matter.
GG
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
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Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:07:55 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Psychic synchronicity
Message-ID: <34E2C9F8.686AATnospamintercomm.com>
Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserve.com wrote:
It usually happens when the energy is focused and you are in a different
receptivity of the flow. For instance, yesterday I was out to lunch, I
just left and all of a sudden I felt my dear friend Carol who passed
away about 6 months ago, now I work with Carol on the other side so I
see her often anyway. But I saw her like she was in the last lunch we
had there, just then a car exactly like hers pulled in front of me. I
then talked to her and it was released. It happened again on the way
home. So I just asked her to calm down and recognize that she isn't here
anymore. I will come to visit and I love her. Then it was gone.
>
>
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:01:37 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Gloria Greco'" <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>,
Stuart
<stuartfATnospamdimensional.com>
Cc: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra
Message-ID: <01BD37AD.F8F15F80.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Stuart wrote:
>
>
> Has anyone out there experimented in this area? I'd be interested in
> hearing about experiences or what this type of concentration brings
> about. Most meditation practice concentrates the field of vision to
> this area. I guess what I'm referring to above though is a more open,
> "come what may" approach.
> Does any of this make sense?
>
>Gloria Greco
I recommend working on the heart center first so that you are out of the
solar plexus energy, if you open up the third eye while your still got
up in thinking, I, me, mine. All you do is end up being psychic without
any real awareness of what is going on in your life, this is not a
blessing. If you put your focus and energy into getting into the heart
and building a relationship with your true Self, as the God within you,
your life will change forever, you will no longer be living from the I
think, I want, I feel ...and you will be on a path of self discovery.
Check out my homepage if you want a easy heart centered meditation.
--
Kurt says:
Many people have good experiences starting with the heart cakra. Some
people experience ``lung'' - a term that the Tibetans use to describe an
energy imbalance. The explanation given is that the mind is centered at the
heart and unless you are impeccable in your concentration your
concentration may in fact cause a mental imbalance. In their system it is
actually better to begin with the navel precisely because it is more
grounded. But I think I understand what you mean. We are trying to get
above our ``plexus energy'' or our ``animal vital''.
One other point that I have found important is that the real source of the
cakras are in the central channel or sushumna. Thus the real focal point
for any cakra meditation should be at the source of the cakra in the
central channel. If one's concentration can penetrate the central channel
good things will happen - whatever the cakra.
Kurt
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:09:48 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Danijel Turina'" <dturinaATnospamusa.net>,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com"
<kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra
Message-ID: <01BD37AF.1E076ED0.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Stuart asked:
At 18:48 1998.02.11 -0700, you wrote:
>I've always wondered what would come out of focusing attention on the
>Ajna, the supposedly mystical eye. There were a few books I came across
>that recommended using this center as a means for soul travel. I'm
>wondering if this is an area worth exploring or just continue doing the
>overall work and letting this area develop naturally.
>Has anyone out there experimented in this area? I'd be interested in
>hearing about experiences or what this type of concentration brings
>about. Most meditation practice concentrates the field of vision to
>this area. I guess what I'm referring to above though is a more open,
>"come what may" approach.
>Does any of this make sense?
Danijel replied:
My experience tells me that there is not much use in this sort of thing, I
mean working on a particular chakra "from the outside", meaning the
concentration on the chakra's ksetram (radiating area); one makes some sort
of progress in a short time, and then there is no possibility of further
improvement using this method, no matter how hard you tried. Some sort of
logic is telling "if I got this far in a month, imagine what would happen
in a few years". Nothing much, actually, probably 1% improvement. Why is
that? If one is able to look inside a person's energy system, it is
apparent that the progress is made by compressing junk into smaller space,
not removing it from the system, and driving energy through the chakra in
order to keep the surface clean. It doesn't make any sense to me at all to
do that - just a waste of time in the long run. Whether it is ajna,
visuddha or anahata, it doesn't matter much, the basic principle is the
same
Kurt says:
Wherever one concentrates one mind (manas) the energy (prana) follows.
Kundalini is awakened when energy enters the central channel. There are 10
entry points (in the classical literature) to the central channel. The ajna
has one. The heart has one as well. If youbring your concentration through
these cakras to the central channel then you will awaken kundalini. That's
the value
Kind Regards
Kurt
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:01:26 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra
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Hi Kurt! :)
At 12:09 1998.02.12 -0800, you wrote:
>Danijel replied:
>My experience tells me that there is not much use in this sort of thing, I
>mean working on a particular chakra "from the outside", meaning the
>concentration on the chakra's ksetram (radiating area); one makes some sort
>of progress in a short time, and then there is no possibility of further
>improvement using this method, no matter how hard you tried. Some sort of
>logic is telling "if I got this far in a month, imagine what would happen
>in a few years". Nothing much, actually, probably 1% improvement. Why is
>that? If one is able to look inside a person's energy system, it is
>apparent that the progress is made by compressing junk into smaller space,
>not removing it from the system, and driving energy through the chakra in
>order to keep the surface clean. It doesn't make any sense to me at all to
>do that - just a waste of time in the long run. Whether it is ajna,
>visuddha or anahata, it doesn't matter much, the basic principle is the
>same
>
>Kurt says:
>Wherever one concentrates one mind (manas) the energy (prana) follows.
>Kundalini is awakened when energy enters the central channel. There are 10
>entry points (in the classical literature) to the central channel. The ajna
>has one. The heart has one as well. If youbring your concentration through
>these cakras to the central channel then you will awaken kundalini. That's
>the value
I am not arguing with that; the problem is not how to awaken Kundalini
(this is after all the K-list, and most people are already K-awakened), the
real problem is what to do when it is awakened. Chakra meditations like
getting your heart chakra open really can do wonders before the
K-awakening, but after that there is a completely new set of rules. It can
get one stabilized, though, but AFAIK it takes too long to produce results,
the results are not permanent, and also other things I wrote about before.
Oh well, let Gloria give people instructions on getting themselves
heart-centered, I'll give them instructions on how to activate and use the
up-stream kriya, and they will make a choice. :)
:* :)
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:35:10 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
CC: Stuart <stuartfATnospamdimensional.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra
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Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
>
> Many people have good experiences starting with the heart cakra. Some
> people experience ``lung'' - a term that the Tibetans use to describe an
> energy imbalance. The explanation given is that the mind is centered at the
> heart and unless you are impeccable in your concentration your
> concentration may in fact cause a mental imbalance. In their system it is
> actually better to begin with the navel precisely because it is more
> grounded. But I think I understand what you mean. We are trying to get
> above our ``plexus energy'' or our ``animal vital''.
>
> One other point that I have found important is that the real source of the
> cakras are in the central channel or sushumna. Thus the real focal point
> for any cakra meditation should be at the source of the cakra in the
> central channel. If one's concentration can penetrate the central channel
> good things will happen - whatever the cakra.
> Kurt
Hi Kurt,
I can only share from my experience and the people I have worked with
for 30 years. If they get centered on knowing the True Self, the God
within and can learn the difference between solar plexus energy and that
of surrender, they obtain a huge awareness of the inner process, I have
never had anyone get into trouble. As the kundalini begins to manifest
which it always does, I gently remind them of the purpose of surrender
and also of the staying centered on God's Will for them, which also puts
them into the central channel, I do always run security for them so that
if something comes up I can help, but that is seldom necessary but has
happened.I also let them set their own pace, if they want to stay in the
world...fine, if you want to move on and get serious about knowing God
then there are certain things that simply have to be let go of, each of
them know what their individual issues are, and by the fruit of that
letting go the next step is set.
The kind of kundalini that comes along with this is generally very
easy, but because they are trained in letting go if it is anything of
consequence they are already aware of what the process requires.
Generally the experiences are shared but since we don't place importance
on it, it is simply noticed as all things in being the witness and you
let go and move with it.
This is a very safe and easy flow method, if I came across someone who
really had the focus on God in total, I might take them on another route
but this is what I find that works for people who are centered on their
relationship but are yet involved in the world. It is the rare person
who is not involved in the world so that they can totally focus on God
first. The fact is most have to maintain a lifestyle and
yet they have the thirst for truth and direct knowing, so opening the
door to direct experience is the way to take them into their own process
so that the individual can decide where he/she is ready to go with it. I
have only been focused in my life on one thing, it came first and
because of this everything opened and God set my life and situation
around it. This is rare and I have no expectations that others are
coming from this same place. So, this is why I recommend each person
knowing and reaching for that inner awareness so that duality can be
experienced and then in the duality they can consciously see what they
do to keep themsleves from that total awareness and openess to God. Once
the soul/spirit energy is strong enough from direct experience....there
is nothing that is going to stand in that persons way to going the
distance, but until that awareness is secure inside, it would be trying
and thinking, which you and I know means trouble. Gloria
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:44:46 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra
Message-ID: <34E2EEBC.3676ATnospamintercomm.com>
Gloria Greco wrote:
>
> Danijel Turina wrote:
> >
> > Hi Kurt! :)
> >
> > At 12:09 1998.02.12 -0800, you wrote:
> > >Danijel replied:
> > >My experience tells me that there is not much use in this sort of thing, I
> > >mean working on a particular chakra "from the outside", meaning the
> > >concentration on the chakra's ksetram (radiating area); one makes some sort
> > >of progress in a short time, and then there is no possibility of further
> > >improvement using this method, no matter how hard you tried. Some sort of
> > >logic is telling "if I got this far in a month, imagine what would happen
> > >in a few years". Nothing much, actually, probably 1% improvement. Why is
> > >that? If one is able to look inside a person's energy system, it is
> > >apparent that the progress is made by compressing junk into smaller space,
> > >not removing it from the system, and driving energy through the chakra in
> > >order to keep the surface clean. It doesn't make any sense to me at all to
> > >do that - just a waste of time in the long run. Whether it is ajna,
> > >visuddha or anahata, it doesn't matter much, the basic principle is the
> > >same
> > >
> >
> >
> > I am not arguing with that; the problem is not how to awaken Kundalini
> > (this is after all the K-list, and most people are already K-awakened), the
> > real problem is what to do when it is awakened. Chakra meditations like
> > getting your heart chakra open really can do wonders before the
> > K-awakening, but after that there is a completely new set of rules. It can
> > get one stabilized, though, but AFAIK it takes too long to produce results,
> > the results are not permanent, and also other things I wrote about before.
> > Oh well, let Gloria give people instructions on getting themselves
> > heart-centered, I'll give them instructions on how to activate and use the
> > up-stream kriya, and they will make a choice. :)
>
> Gloria here:
>
> I think we are coming from a little different place, this is a lifetime
> process and each individual has issues that he/she is working through.
> When it is done through great humility and surrender then the way is
> clear, when it is done from thinking and trying, or looking for methods
> as if it were a race or something to win, it is just a whole different
> attitude that you are going in with.
>
> I work with people getting into that clear space inside, letting go of
> all of the outside concepts and really releasing themselves into the
> pure frequency of becoming that which is the true self. In doing this
> the proper method naturally activates because it is designed by them as
> spirits to fit their precise set of karmic circumstances along with the
> life that they are relating through. In this then the way opens and each
> person knows the way...not because they are looking to someone else to
> tell them, but because they have opened up to who they are and why they
> are here. Isn't this what this is about?
>
> Then if they are meant to have a teacher the teacher is there, and if it
> is the time for them to spend some years in that inner connecting that
> is fine also. Remember there isn't a race here it is about experiencing
> the souls purpose for being. GG
> > -----
> > E-mail : dturinaATnospamusa.net
> > Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
>
> --
>
> Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
> Gloria Joy Greco
> e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
> http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
> &
> http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
> Hope you enjoy them!
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:14:01 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra
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Hi Gloria! :)
At 13:44 1998.02.12 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
>> > the results are not permanent, and also other things I wrote about
before.
>> > Oh well, let Gloria give people instructions on getting themselves
>> > heart-centered, I'll give them instructions on how to activate and use
the
>> > up-stream kriya, and they will make a choice. :)
>>
>> Gloria here:
>>
>> I think we are coming from a little different place,
Yes, I would say so myself. ;) More than a little, I would say.
>> this is a lifetime
>> process and each individual has issues that he/she is working through.
Yes, that is one way of seeing things. The other way is that there are more
and less effective ways of doing that; some ways need only a few days to
solve problems that other ways manage to avoid for lifetimes.
>> When it is done through great humility and surrender then the way is
>> clear, when it is done from thinking and trying, or looking for methods
>> as if it were a race or something to win, it is just a whole different
>> attitude that you are going in with.
;)))))))))))
>> I work with people getting into that clear space inside, letting go of
>> all of the outside concepts and really releasing themselves into the
>> pure frequency of becoming that which is the true self. In doing this
:)))))))))))))) ROTFL :)))))))))))) Gloria, don't make me laugh so hard,
please. ;))))))) Ups. :))) Clear space inside? ;)))) Letting go of the
OUTSIDE concepts? I don't think we are talking about the same thing here. ;)))
>> the proper method naturally activates because it is designed by them as
>> spirits to fit their precise set of karmic circumstances along with the
>> life that they are relating through. In this then the way opens and each
>> person knows the way...not because they are looking to someone else to
>> tell them, but because they have opened up to who they are and why they
>> are here. Isn't this what this is about?
:))))))))) Just do it your way, I'll do it mine. Nothing more to be said
there.
>> Then if they are meant to have a teacher the teacher is there, and if it
>> is the time for them to spend some years in that inner connecting that
>> is fine also. Remember there isn't a race here it is about experiencing
>> the souls purpose for being. GG
Oh well... ;)))
Have fun, take care! :))
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:57:21 -0500
From: Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra
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Sounds like a good conversation. I'm on the HeartZen list and did not catch all
of it. But here is my two cents.
As a 'good' Buddhist, I have been taught, and truly believe, that indeed it is
fine to take advantage of all (non-harmful) methods to become enlightened, but
that the goal is truly to become enlightenend and to assist in others'
enlightenment.
As someone going through K awakening, I know that all the beautiful (and
terrifying) side effects (bliss, rapture, lights, etc.) are just that: side
effects. The goal, to quote Jack Kornfield, "is our heart's true release".
It's great to cut corners, but we need to remember where we're going.
Teresa
Danijel Turina wrote:
> Hi Gloria! :)
>
> At 13:44 1998.02.12 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
> >> > the results are not permanent, and also other things I wrote about
> before.
> >> > Oh well, let Gloria give people instructions on getting themselves
> >> > heart-centered, I'll give them instructions on how to activate and use
> the
> >> > up-stream kriya, and they will make a choice. :)
> >>
> >> Gloria here:
> >>
> >> I think we are coming from a little different place,
>
> Yes, I would say so myself. ;) More than a little, I would say.
>
> >> this is a lifetime
> >> process and each individual has issues that he/she is working through.
>
> Yes, that is one way of seeing things. The other way is that there are more
> and less effective ways of doing that; some ways need only a few days to
> solve problems that other ways manage to avoid for lifetimes.
>
> >> When it is done through great humility and surrender then the way is
> >> clear, when it is done from thinking and trying, or looking for methods
> >> as if it were a race or something to win, it is just a whole different
> >> attitude that you are going in with.
>
> ;)))))))))))
>
> >> I work with people getting into that clear space inside, letting go of
> >> all of the outside concepts and really releasing themselves into the
> >> pure frequency of becoming that which is the true self. In doing this
>
> :)))))))))))))) ROTFL :)))))))))))) Gloria, don't make me laugh so hard,
> please. ;))))))) Ups. :))) Clear space inside? ;)))) Letting go of the
> OUTSIDE concepts? I don't think we are talking about the same thing here. ;)))
>
> >> the proper method naturally activates because it is designed by them as
> >> spirits to fit their precise set of karmic circumstances along with the
> >> life that they are relating through. In this then the way opens and each
> >> person knows the way...not because they are looking to someone else to
> >> tell them, but because they have opened up to who they are and why they
> >> are here. Isn't this what this is about?
>
> :))))))))) Just do it your way, I'll do it mine. Nothing more to be said
> there.
>
> >> Then if they are meant to have a teacher the teacher is there, and if it
> >> is the time for them to spend some years in that inner connecting that
> >> is fine also. Remember there isn't a race here it is about experiencing
> >> the souls purpose for being. GG
>
> Oh well... ;)))
>
> Have fun, take care! :))
>
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