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Stuart wrote:
I've always wondered what would come out of focusing attention on the
Ajna, the supposedly mystical eye. There were a few books I came across that recommended using this center as a means for soul travel. I'm
wondering if this is an area worth exploring or just continue doing the overall work and letting this area develop naturally.
Has anyone out there experimented in this area? I'd be interested in hearing about experiences or what this type of concentration brings
about. Most meditation practice concentrates the field of vision to this area. I guess what I'm referring to above though is a more open,
"come what may" approach. Does any of this make sense?
Peace
Stuart
In the book 'Psycho-analysis and Meditation' by BS Goel printed by the Third Eye Foundation of India, he refers to what is know as the 'jet experience' which one can experience after years of focusing on the ajna centre in meditation. It is called the jet experience on account of the sensation experienced. This is experienced like a mini flame burning at a point of light between the two eyebrows. It is the state of emergence of consciousness in which one's consciousness shifts to that point and from then on one becomes an observer, or witness, in meditation, slowly moving backwards through one's past experiences in a kind of self psycho-analysis. This is a slow journey taking many years of meditation after the jet experience until ultimately liberation is attained.
Light and Love Chas
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:09:12 +0100 From: Danijel Turina
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra
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Hi Stuart! :)
At 18:48 1998.02.11 -0700, you wrote:
>I've always wondered what would come out of focusing attention on the >Ajna, the supposedly mystical eye. There were a few books I came across
>that recommended using this center as a means for soul travel. I'm >wondering if this is an area worth exploring or just continue doing the
>overall work and letting this area develop naturally. >Has anyone out there experimented in this area? I'd be interested in
>hearing about experiences or what this type of concentration brings >about. Most meditation practice concentrates the field of vision to
>this area. I guess what I'm referring to above though is a more open, >"come what may" approach.
>Does any of this make sense?
My experience tells me that there is not much use in this sort of thing, I mean working on a particular chakra "from the outside", meaning the
concentration on the chakra's ksetram (radiating area); one makes some sort of progress in a short time, and then there is no possibility of further
improvement using this method, no matter how hard you tried. Some sort of logic is telling "if I got this far in a month, imagine what would happen
in a few years". Nothing much, actually, probably 1% improvement. Why is that? If one is able to look inside a person's energy system, it is
apparent that the progress is made by compressing junk into smaller space, not removing it from the system, and driving energy through the chakra in
order to keep the surface clean. It doesn't make any sense to me at all to do that - just a waste of time in the long run. Whether it is ajna,
visuddha or anahata, it doesn't matter much, the basic principle is the same. What is the right way to do this, you might ask? Well, it sure isn't
jumping straight to anahata or, God forbid, ajna. It begins by learning how to release stuff from your system - I have tried many techniques, but it
appears that the only thing able to do that is the up-stream kriya. Why the only way - because it is the direct use of our built-in automatic system
especially "designed" for this very thing. No particular effort is needed, just feeling the problem starts it automatically, breaks the problem into
its basic components and releasing them forever. Having learned how to do that, you need to clear all of the surface junk in order to get the clear
picture of your inner state, which looks just like a lower area in which you can move your consciousness freely, filled with low-density junk that
is easy to release, mostly basic pranic content. On the top of that area there is a "wall", the impenetrable area of solid, high density, very
compressed stuff - and that is the limit to your personal Kundalini-level. I found my wall to be on the visuddha chakra - the first time I discovered
that - and it was a difficult job to break through, so difficult that I felt frustration and despair, fearing I'll never break do it; no matter how
hard I worked on it, the wall seemed to be impenertrable. Finally, at one moment, there was no wall whatsoever, just large fragments of it, that I
managed to release within a couple of hours. The entire wall-breaking enterprise lasted about a week or two, not longer, and what followed were a
few months of discovering new things, learning how to use the new level of power available to me - not just visuddha, but all the chakras, all the
systems, everything was lifted up to a new level, something like going from mega to giga scale. :) When everything was integrated, when the system came
to the full balance on the sixth level of Kundalini purification, I started breaking the wall on the ajna chakra.
What is the point? The point is: when trying to access the chakra's resources from the outside - and most of the yogic techniques come exactly
to that - it is a dead end, and the use of the resources is very limited, to the degree that makes me laugh when I see those "opening the third eye"
games, promising amazing stuff like seeing the auras, clairvoyance, seeing other worlds... it is a child's play compared to the ajna 7 resources! It
is nothing, yes, even less than that if it is possible. :) Ajna 7 resources? Omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, absolute unlimited
spheric love. Ajna is not just clairvoyance tool, it has two times more resources than all lower chakras put together, and that is so much that I
have no words to describe it. The love of the heart is _nothing_ compared to the love of the throat, and love of the throat is _less than nothing_
compared to the love of the ajna. Visuddha love is not just energy, it is energy level so concentrated that the matter looks like a cloud of dark
smoke compared to it - such is the density level of vajra, diamond/lightning. That is the form of love that is beyond forms, something
so huge, so immensely powerful that there is no possible way I could describe that. Materialization, transsubstantiation - it's a child's play,
no more than that. And it is _less than nothing_ compared to the ajna 7. And the only way to access that power is from the inside, working your way
from the bottom up, constantly increasing the level of power, building up resources, discovering things about yourself and the universe you couldn't
have possibly understood before. There is no other way that I know of that would do it - in a reasonable amount of time. The time needed? If you are
doing it right, working patiently on the inside, facing the ugly stuff, not rushing out all the time trying out everything new, let's say, a couple of
weeks, maybe one month per level, and then the time needed to stabilize, maybe a couple of days, maybe a couple of months, it depends. But, frankly,
observing some people here, you should have it done in less than a year, the entire process. This is _not_ a technique where you work on a minor
problem for decades, just letting things run their course, this is where the things happen and they happen fast, and I mean "fast" literally.
I hope this helps. :)
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:41:40 GMT From: Chris Hughes
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Third Eye and Kundalini / book list
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Dear Souls it would be helpful to all if we had a book list wih ISBN numbers etc
A book I have found helpful is Third Eye And Kundalini
( An Experiential Account of Journey From Dust To Divinity) By B.S.Goel ( Guruji ) ISBN 81-85082-00-6
published by Third Eye Foundation
Regd Office: Sri Siddheshwar Ashram V.&. P.O. Bhigaan.
Distt. Sonipat (Haryana) Pin-131033 India
I dont know how easy it would be to have a book list automatically
available with every post, a boon to new K list readers, but I am sure it could be done.
Chris
Sai Ram Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:51:23 -0000
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:24:45 -0800 (PST) From: Nicolle Buxton
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> At 18:29 09/02/98 +0100, Sen Ashanka wrote:
> > > >To realise God, the path is through the good and
> >not the bad. > >
> >To realise God the place is the Church and not the > >toilet.
> > > >That is because as long as we are not self-realised,
> >we need some guidance and help. That is available in > >the Church and not the toilet.
> > Hello:
> I do not know If I am self-realized. The definition of what that is > supposed to mean, seems to change and shift, depending on who describes it.
> Same deal, with "Good" and "Bad." Depends who you talk to.. >
> I do know that Goddess is All that Is, and if you come to use my toilet, > you will find this inspirational literature I composed one day years ago,
> whilst on the toilet, posted on the wall. > I informally call this piece of literature, "the S**t thing". (** for
> the benefit our members with more delicate sensibilities") I have shared > copies of it with hundreds of people. They were at first puzzled, then
> delighted, usually.. > Now I share it with Y'all.
> It's proper and elegant name is: >
> Insights into Life can be found anywhere. > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > I was in my bathroom yesterday morning, voiding my wastes, feeling
> slightly philosphical. > "Whew!" I thought to myself, "that's a lota S**t!" and I like to think
> positive, so I added, "Good thing I'm getting rid of it, or else I'd get > all toxic and bloated and die."
> > HEY! The ingestion of Life is bound to produce some S**t!
> Keeping my S**t in is slow death by poisoning. > If I'm not producing any S**t, then I'm probably starving. Not taking
> life in, letting it nourish me. >
> Hmmmm.. Good metaphor. How far does it go? Lets play with it. >
> I have some food allergies, sometimes everything I consume turns to S**t > before I can Digest it properly. The same thing happens to my Mom when she
> worries. Unfounded fears turning Life into S**t. > What about people who take a lot of laxatives? My naturopath recommended
> a series of high colonic irrigations, to rinse away all my really old S**t, > so I'd be healthier.
> I've heard of emotionally disturbed children who are terrified of using > the toilet, afraid that with each S**t, they are losing a vital part of
> themselves they can't ever get back. Other sick children smear their S**t > ont he walls, to get our attention.
> Most toddlers think their S**t is very interesting, fun to play with. > New parents coo excitedly over baby S**t.
> Psychologists say a big part of adult personality is shaped by toilet > training experiences.
> Someone told me, in a candid moment, that they found the idea or > experience of being S**t upon by someone they admired, erotic.
> > In Victorian times, people tried to pretend that S**t did not exist.
> Dogs relate to each other thru their S**t. > Birds S**t often so they can be light and fly high.
> Some plants depend on bird S**t to spread theri seeds. >
> S**t is a part of the cycle of life. > If I compost my S**t, I can use it to inspire the growth of beautiful
> flowers, food for my soul. > I always look at my S**t,to see how well I'm digesting life.
> > Perhaps if I were very spiritually advanced, living on Cosmic Energy and
> lotus nectar, maybe I could live without needing to create any S**t. > Until then, I'll keep on setting aside a little bit of quiet time, every
> day, to deal with my S**t, and make room to take in more Life! >
> **** > Feel free to post a copy on your bathroom wall, too..!!
> Blessings, Mystress. >
> Mystress Angelique Serpent, > Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
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> I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery > than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
> -- Harry Emerson Fosdick > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world. >
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:34:45 -0500 From: Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Psychic synchronicity
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Hi!
Has anyone else had experiences like this, and can anyone tell me which
chakra they may relate to? Very often, I'll be thinking of something, and in that stream of thought there might be a particular word e.g. "water". Say I
switch on the TV or just change channels - immediately the word "water" is spoken by someone on the TV. The words are usually not ones that arecommonly
used. Or another example - I'm listening to some music and reading a newspaper at the same time. On the record is the word "taco" - that same instant I see
the word "taco" in the newspaper. This isn't exaggeration. Another time I was thinking about an account of a Gulf War prisoner who described his Iraqi captors
as all having Saddam Hussein-type moustaches. I switched the TV on and the first thing I saw was a woman TV presenter wearing a false moustache. Philip K.
Dick territory or what?
Another thing - I was listening to a song on a record, and there was an emotional high point in the song with the words "It's gonna rain, rain". The
very next thing, rain hits the skylight! A few days later, I wanted to try something, so I stood up, shot my arms up four times and at their full extension
opened my palms as if I was sending rays into the sky - it immediately started raining!
No doubt people on this list have had similar experiences, but you may have come
up with a theory about them that relates to the chakras. If so, I'd like to hear about it.
Thanks,
Tom Bradley Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:00:43 -0600
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Good morning, Tom & all,
>Another thing - I was listening to a song on a record, and there was an >emotional high point in the song with the words "It's gonna rain, rain". The
>very next thing, rain hits the skylight! A few days later, I wanted to try >something, so I stood up, shot my arms up four times and at their full
extension >opened my palms as if I was sending rays into the sky - it immediately started
>raining! >
>No doubt people on this list have had similar experiences, but you may have come
>up with a theory about them that relates to the chakras. If so, I'd like to >hear about it.
I have no idea which chakra this could be, but...
Long ago, there was a song by the Beatles, "Here Comes the Sun." Every time
it would play, I started noticing that the Sun would come out, even in overcast San Francisco. So I put 2 + 2 together, and when the dreary days
got to be too much for me, I'd sing that song. It worked most of the time. Now that I'm in arid, drought-prone Oklahoma, I wonder if I should learn
"Riders of the Storm?" :)
Jeanne ==-* My stars!
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:01:41 -0500 From: David Hodges
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Psychic synchronicity
Message-Id:
At 10:34 AM 2/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
>No doubt people on this list have had similar experiences, but you may have
come >up with a theory about them that relates to the chakras. If so, I'd like to
>hear about it.
Well, you know, synchronicity IS a theory, proposed by Carl Jung, to encompass just these sorts of events. The theory doesn't "explain" them in
terms of chakras or anything else. In fact, he calls synchronicty "a-causal", meaning it has no cause. But it does happen. My view of it is
that synchronicity is like the Tao, where there more you get in the flow of being and not-doing, the more you will be in sycnch with the flow of events
in the universe itself and the more such coincidences will happen. Now, as to the chakras, perhaps the more they are open the more you are in the flow...
But the interesting thing is that Jung said that events that happen to you
that have strong synchronicity should be treated like wide-awake dreams: In other words they have symbolic content and personal meaning and can be
interpreted just like a dream.
David Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:11:52 -0500 (EST)
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