1998/02/12 00:28
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #122
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 122
Today's Topics: repost: up-stream kriya instructions [ Danijel Turina ]
Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra [ Gloria Greco ] Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:23:15 +0100
From: Danijel Turina To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Originally posted to Chris Hughes, K-list -----
Hi Chris! :)
At 13:46 1998.02.08 GMT, Chris Hughes wrote:
> >Dear Soul
> I have just read your background and it sums up the frustration I >have felt at times, with similar language.
;)))
>I am thinking of trying
>Tantra ( can you do this on your own?) but my wife is not interested >in my spiritual journey.
AFAIK, tantra is _not_ about sex, it is about using the sexual part of us
in order to feed our connection with God. An enormous part of my own energy has always been connected to sexuality - at first I tried to repress that,
following some extremely stupid advice, and that has lead me nowhere, I became a hard, rough, unkind and even at some times cruel and insensitive
person. Not a very nice place to be. As a matter of fact, the opposite to that is the way to go - by recognizing that we are very sexual beings, we
are able to focus all that enormous energy of attraction, joy, adoration and devotion on God/Goddess. It is, IMO, the only way to go. However, it
does not have anything to do with actually having sex - that can lead to forming the horizontal energy links with the other person, unless he/she is
also completely focused on God/Goddess. Otherwise, it is just plain ordinary sex, not vamacarya tantra as some like to call it.
>I went to see Sai Baba Christmas 96 and that
>was a wonderful experience
Great for you! I never had an opportunity to go there, hopefully it will change. :)
>and last October I went to see Guruji a
>God realised Guru and that was amazing.
:))
>On his Ashram I felt the >experience of Divine Love. My meditation is difficult as I have no
>internal visulisation though I have had birds singing in my head >which hapened when I pleaded with God to help me see His light at my
>third eye, so at least that is a blessing. How did you clean out the >rubish between the chakras?
Well, the first thing is to feel that stuff, to be able to connect to the
emotional contents of that energy - the first thing to do is to open vertically. The easiest way to do that is to "remember God", by reading the
most powerful holy text you know, to think about your guru - having Sai Baba's picture in front of you may help enormously. With time, you'll be
able to do that at will, without any external help. The next thing is to feel your inner space, starting from your feet and going up. You will be
able to feel the junk; feel it, and surrender it and yourself to God. Oh well, I've come this far, I can make the entire technique public here. You
know the "jerk movement" of the head when you finish urinating, or your entire body shaking when you go from warm to a cold place? That's it. Try
to do it at will, using yoni mudra, that is the contraction of the perineum/anus (perineum/anus/vagina for women) area, it draws the energy
into susumna nadi, going straight up and leaving your body through sahasra-ara. The most important thing is to internalize before doing it, to
go inside, connect to God, and then do it. Most of the problems with Kundalini awakening are the result of externalization, looking out; that
overloads the impure systems and causes all sorts of problems. With this, you'll be able to instantly draw such energy outbursts inside and up,
surrendering all the excess energy to God. Bottom line is, with this you can clean up all the surface junk in a matter of days, as soon as you learn
to do this right. In a month, most probably you'll be able to reach the vertical barrier on your top level chakra, where the real fun starts. :)
More about that when you get there.
Things to have in mind about doing this: - It doesn't stop until _everything_ is out. This is a serious
transformation tool and should not be taken lightly. The results are extremely powerful.
- Cleaning the junk releases more junk in the system; the junk has to be removed before implanting itself into the system, because it can cause
trouble; when the chain reaction of cleaning up a certain area is started, it has to be finished
- Do not do this unless you want to attain liberation. That's where this leads. No other goal is possible.
When you do this, at first you could have parts of your body jerking;
left-right head movement means you are doing it right; energy is performing a spiral movement around the spine and exiting through the crown chakra. I
called this technique "up-stream kriya", a sort of an English/Sanskrit mish-mash. :) My students are doing this very successfully. It is
demanding, though, it is not difficult to do but discipline is required. Of course, there are some rules regarding the way of life that make this a lot
easier. ;)
I hope I'll not regret this later. That's the first time I am making this public.
Om Namah Shivaya! Jai Sai Ram!
>Yoganandas book "Divine Romance is good" >though not about Kundalin as such. Thank you for your honest" One
>Back Ground Coming UP" I have only once before written to the list >but the mixture of views expressed here is very helpful to me and I
>love the stories and humour. We are all children at heart. >Love Chris
>Sai Ram
Nice talking to you! :)
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Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:57:03 +0100
From: Gloria Greco To: Stuart
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra
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Stuart wrote: >
> > Has anyone out there experimented in this area? I'd be interested in
> hearing about experiences or what this type of concentration brings > about. Most meditation practice concentrates the field of vision to
> this area. I guess what I'm referring to above though is a more open, > "come what may" approach.
> Does any of this make sense? >
>GG I recommend working on the heart center first so that you are out of the
solar plexus energy, if you open up the third eye while your still got up in thinking, I, me, mine. All you do is end up being psychic without
any real awareness of what is going on in your life, this is not a blessing. If you put your focus and energy into getting into the heart
and building a relationship with your true Self, as the God within you, your life will change forever, you will no longer be living from the I
think, I want, I feel ...and you will be on a path of self discovery. Check out my homepage if you want a easy heart centered meditation.
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
& http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them! Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:52:33 +0100
From: Gloria Greco To: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
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PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com wrote: >
> I call it "hovering," and I > assume others are doing it as well and that it has a name. For me, it is an
> act of lifting something up from my body sending it to another person. It´s > as though you go to a person in the air and give them a hug. When you´re
> lifted out, it feels like you have a body on the ground, but you are also near > the other person, attached like a kite on a string to yourself. I "hover" or
> "air hug" people who are far away as well. >
> Gloria here: Hi Peggy,
You are just becoming more aware and are noticing how you are communicating in and out of the body, this is natural, it is from
becoming more detached so that you can be here and there at the same time. Perfectly natural, in fact it will increase tremendously over the
years so just go with it. The grounding is to help you stay connected to what is going on here and now, for some people they tend to want to be
gone and not here.You know the difference with that one don't you? GG
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
& http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them! Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:48:23 +0100
From: Gloria Greco To: kandulATnospamg-net.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: advice needed-various subj.
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Stephen Kandul wrote: >
> Gloria here: It sounds like your friend has opened her third eye up while still
working from the solar plexus, this kind of energy generally means an increase in psychic energy while there is still confusion, thoughts,
worry, fear, etc. My suggestion would be for her to work on the spiritual relationship so
that she can get centered and let go of the thoughts, fear, etc. If she chooses to focus on centering on the heart... it will allow her to bring
a higher energy in and with it will come more understanding and trust. It sounds like she has a lot of things happening that she doesn't know
how to handle. If she is interested have her look at my homepage, she will find a good, easy and safe meditation there that should help her to
get inside, if she wants to talk to me I will talk to her, no problem. None of this is unusual in our time, in fact we can expect to see many
people find themselves in this situation. Gloria >
> > 5. 5-6 times my friend has been awakened in the night by as entity who
> approaches her(unasked) with sexual advances. his touch is pleasurable > in the extreme...she tells him to leave as he is not her husband and he
> does. her husband is encouraging her to make contact with him and find > out more of who he is etc.. i feel that if the entity approaches
> unbidden that it does not have her highest good in mind and further > contact may draw her into places she may regret. please advise.
> >
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ &
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:09:07 -0800 From: Kurt Keutzer
To: "'Stuart'" , "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com"
Subject: RE: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra
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In a recent post I mentioned that schools differ as to which cakra should be the initial center of concentration. Harsha mentioned, and many teachers
have as well (e.g. Sri Chinmoy), that concentration should begin with the heart cakra. Tibetan tantric schools most often recommend the navel. Many
hatha and Natha yogins recommend the ajna or bhrumadhya -(lit. midbrow - another name for the center between the eyes). Personally I have found the
mid-brow the easiest entry point for breath/mind to enter the sushumna or central channel. Once the breath/mind enters the central channel then the
kundlaini is naturally awakened. But ``concentration'' is a delicate process. I have found it effective to simply imagine that one's breath
enters and exits through this spot. Kind Regards,
Kurt
-----Original Message----- From: Stuart [SMTP:stuartfATnospamdimensional.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 5:49 PM To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Concentrating on the Ajna Chakra
I've always wondered what would come out of focusing attention on the Ajna, the supposedly mystical eye. There were a few books I came across
that recommended using this center as a means for soul travel. I'm wondering if this is an area worth exploring or just continue doing the
overall work and letting this area develop naturally. Has anyone out there experimented in this area? I'd be interested in
hearing about experiences or what this type of concentration brings about. Most meditation practice concentrates the field of vision to
this area. I guess what I'm referring to above though is a more open, "come what may" approach.
Does any of this make sense?
Peace Stuart
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:04:13 From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
To: "Sen Ashanka" Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: F***
At 18:29 09/02/98 +0100, Sen Ashanka wrote:
> >To realise God, the path is through the good and
>not the bad. >
>To realise God the place is the Church and not the >toilet.
> >That is because as long as we are not self-realised,
>we need some guidance and help. That is available in >the Church and not the toilet.
Hello:
I do not know If I am self-realized. The definition of what that is supposed to mean, seems to change and shift, depending on who describes it.
Same deal, with "Good" and "Bad." Depends who you talk to..
I do know that Goddess is All that Is, and if you come to use my toilet, you will find this inspirational literature I composed one day years ago,
whilst on the toilet, posted on the wall. I informally call this piece of literature, "the S**t thing". (** for
the benefit our members with more delicate sensibilities") I have shared copies of it with hundreds of people. They were at first puzzled, then
delighted, usually.. Now I share it with Y'all.
It's proper and elegant name is:
Insights into Life can be found anywhere. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I was in my bathroom yesterday morning, voiding my wastes, feeling
slightly philosphical. "Whew!" I thought to myself, "that's a lota S**t!" and I like to think
positive, so I added, "Good thing I'm getting rid of it, or else I'd get all toxic and bloated and die."
HEY! The ingestion of Life is bound to produce some S**t!
Keeping my S**t in is slow death by poisoning. If I'm not producing any S**t, then I'm probably starving. Not taking
life in, letting it nourish me.
Hmmmm.. Good metaphor. How far does it go? Lets play with it.
I have some food allergies, sometimes everything I consume turns to S**t before I can Digest it properly. The same thing happens to my Mom when she
worries. Unfounded fears turning Life into S**t. What about people who take a lot of laxatives? My naturopath recommended
a series of high colonic irrigations, to rinse away all my really old S**t, so I'd be healthier.
I've heard of emotionally disturbed children who are terrified of using the toilet, afraid that with each S**t, they are losing a vital part of
themselves they can't ever get back. Other sick children smear their S**t ont he walls, to get our attention.
Most toddlers think their S**t is very interesting, fun to play with. New parents coo excitedly over baby S**t.
Psychologists say a big part of adult personality is shaped by toilet training experiences.
Someone told me, in a candid moment, that they found the idea or experience of being S**t upon by someone they admired, erotic.
In Victorian times, people tried to pretend that S**t did not exist.
Dogs relate to each other thru their S**t. Birds S**t often so they can be light and fly high.
Some plants depend on bird S**t to spread theri seeds.
S**t is a part of the cycle of life. If I compost my S**t, I can use it to inspire the growth of beautiful
flowers, food for my soul. I always look at my S**t,to see how well I'm digesting life.
Perhaps if I were very spiritually advanced, living on Cosmic Energy and
lotus nectar, maybe I could live without needing to create any S**t. Until then, I'll keep on setting aside a little bit of quiet time, every
day, to deal with my S**t, and make room to take in more Life!
**** Feel free to post a copy on your bathroom wall, too..!!
Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent, Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent :D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
-- Harry Emerson Fosdick ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world. Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:11:15
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Pie revolutionaries smear Bill Gates!
http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/editorial/0,1012,1733,00.html
The most powerful political tool is satire..!! Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator. Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :) I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it. -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:44:56 +0200 From: "Robert Lalouette"
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Hi Mystress! :))
At 15:47 1998.02.11, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote: >>> Sometimes I write posts then sit on 'em for a while.. try to figure out
>>>what the %^$&*##!! I am saying... and whether I am just saying it for me or >>>if I am saying it to share..
>> >>I felt something like that going on, yes. :) :* :)
> > Yup.. I felt you wondering where I'd gotten to... fun, eh?
Yup. :))
>>:))) And understanding of this seems to be blocked by some of the most
>>serious surrendering problems - I have once read a story regarding a sufi. >>God told him: "If I told people of the way you see Me, they would stone you
>>to death". "If I told people of Your infinite mercy and compassion, no one >>would ever pray to You again", the sufi replied. ;))))))))))))) ROTFL
>>:)))))))))))) It made quite an impact, although I did not always manage to >>have that in mind, and I did judge some things as inconsistent with
>>Divinity; an ego/fear pose, of course. The only thing inconsistent with >>Divinity is non-existence, and of course, it doesn't exist. ;))))))))
> > Yes.. and it is often about judging what is best for the other person.
> The sufi thinks prayer is important, for other folks.. and that the other >folks need false concepts for their limited understanding.. never seeing
>that if everyone truly believed in infinite mercy and compassion, there >would be no need for prayer.. prayer becomes breathing, existing. Not
>separate from life.
You keep doing that. :) Nothing more to be said... :( ;)))
>> ...> the pleas for 'forgiveness, and freedom from >>>sin' in the prayers I was hearing were unnecessary, that unconditional love
>>>not only forgave all, but found nothing evil that needed forgiving. It was >>>me, that had judgements about stuff, and would reap what I sowed...
>> >>Yes, that seems to ring a bell... Judging yourself. Not being worthy.
> > Yes, and more than that.. judgeing others for judgeing me, even in
>judging the priest for preaching ideas that were not true. Judging the
Judging others for not being perfect = judging yourself for not being perfect. :)
> .
>>Mystress, if I could possibly love you more, I would. >>
> Aww... sweet.. thankyou for the juicy K-blasts.. verrry wonderful.
:*** :))) Any time Mystress, any time. :))
>>Yes, that reminds me of my concept of Kundalini learned from the upanishads >>- 3.5 times coiled serpent at the root chakra, performs a lightning-storm,
>>millions of thunders when rising... I expected so much that I had my Shakti >>awakened for years before being sure that I did - actually, I felt it but
>>my mind didn't seem to've been satisfied, until I found Kurt's FAQs on the >>Spiritweb. ;))) Kurt, I don't know how to thank you, you're a life-saver.
>>;))))))))))) > Yes, for me a turning point was the Sign and symptoms" faq on Shared
>Transformation." I shook my head realizing all these wierd illnesses and >symptoms that had caused me to completely give up on western medicine, were
>K. related!! I had accepted I as awakened by then, but I'd not realized how >many ways K. had affected my life. Had not realized that the symptoms of
>those around me, ncluding my clients, was K.A.
I was confused as hell sometimes, when people asked me what kind of yoga I was doing, and I automatically answered "Kundalini", having no mental
background on that, just feeling it to be the truth. Wow, did it make me confused! :))
>>:))))))))
> Why do your smilicons have so many extra smiles? Is this some kind of >code??
I don't know actually, I tried telling them not to go out so much, but they
just keep doing that. :))))) LOL :))))))
>> The point I was making has something to do with what >>I could call "soap-opera heart activity". ;))
> Ah, the white-lighter vegan fluffy bunnies.. they are very cute. Soft and >warm and cuddly.
> Tasty, swallowed whole for breakfast, said the Serpent.... just kidding..
:))))) ROTFL :)))))) Yess, cute! :)))) :***
> Sooner or later, darkness repressed comes rising up again, stronger for >the negative energy of the repression added on top.
Another problem with that: claiming something gets one imprisoned. There is
nothing to hang on to; as Felix said, if the prana isn't flowing, it isn't prana. :) One has to let the river flow through him, washing away all the
junk on its path.
> Goddess seems to set us on a path of learning to love everything >unconditionally, regardless of our desire to cling to our narrow
>conecptions of sacredness. She is stronger, so She wins, sooner or later.. >and it is our resistance to Her, that causes us pain in the process.
Yes, yes, and yes once more. :))
>>>There is of course another
>>kind of anahata activity, but one has got to have anahata 5 cleared, >
> Anhata 5.. now cleared for takeoff.. sounds like a science fiction >show.. whatzat??
:)))) Just some stuff specific to my technique: seven levels of purifying
the Kundalini-flow. The rules are not yet quite clear to me mentally, but there seems to be an empirical rule about that: the second level is
accessed by clearing a huge block on mula-adhara and stopping at sva-adhisthana. The third level is accessed by clearing sva-adhisthana...
and the seventh level by clearing ajna. When the chakra is cleared, one can access its full potential, not before that. That is the explanation behind
some things; for instance, when one gets his/her throat chakra activated, it is usually associated with freedom of verbal expression, seeing blue
etc. Visuddha, on the sixth level of Kundalini, at its full power... oh well, no need of telling _you_ that, isn't there? ;))) Pronouncing the
Reality. Enough said.
>>all >>the way, and also to be fully vertical, completely open; whenever I
>>externalized that, someone's Kundalini got itself awakened. ;))) Not at all >>mild and warm stuff, more like a contained atomic blast. ;)))
> > Unfolding the mysteries of shaktipat is interesting stuff.. I have been
>trying to narrow down the sructure of how it works for me, but it seems >just when I have some ideas, a new form manifests.
Yes, it sounds familiar. ;)
> Externalized.. imagined thier energy moving in a certain way??
Their energy, my energy... no difference. Energy. :)
> You have mentioned, "Fully vertical".. what does that mean to you?
> Tuning in on your meaning, I get the "eternal thread of light" coming >thru self, connecting divinity above and planet below.. awakening the whole
>rainbow of chakras as t moves thru them creating perfect balance..
Yes yesss, you've got it perfectly. :)
> And also the top/bottom vertical status dynamic of Mystress/slave, >Guru/chela.. teacher/student?
No difference. Only One Reality. Vertical. There is no one place more or
less significant then the other. Enough said. ;)
> I percieve horizontal movements tho, int he energy circulating in the >aura, and moving outward to "other". Heart to heart. These horizontal
>movements are most poweerful tho, when there is the vertical dynamic first. >Polarity, then unity.
You said it all. :)) :*** :))
> The thread is a conception for collecting life energy from "other", above
>and below, and suggesting a movement of energy from one place to another. >It is a very effective conception, and I use it most often. The energy is
>felt as warmth. > But to go one step farther, time and space is an illusion, and there is
>no "here or there" to go to.. all of the universe, including both ends of >the limitless thread, are inside already.. there is no vertical or
>horizontal, just beingness.
:**** :)))
> Have you ever tried grounding directly from the limitless love of the >heart itself, instead of thru feet and crown?
Yes. :) Very powerful stuff; it all comes from the crown, though. :)
> It is a very different sensation.. when switching to that frame of
>reference to offer healing, there is a very distinct sensation of cool >breezes ruffling the tiny hairs on the back of my hand. Pleasant, but
>different.
I love you. :) :* :)
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