1998/02/08 01:47
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #107
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 107
Today's Topics:
Re: Democracy, Leadership. [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: Leadership/Tough Decisions [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: Heavy Thinkers.. [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Democracy [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: Ringing in the ears [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Leadership/Tough Decisions/#2 [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Physical symptoms and request for so [ rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevit ]
Re: Intellect as a Guide [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Democracy, Leadership. [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: Democracy [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Democracy, Leadership. [ Jax <jaxxATnospamihug.co.nz> ]
Re: Democracy, Leadership. [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: Anahata and the Heart [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: Anahata and the Hear [ Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com> ]
Re: Democracy, Leadership. [ RadiantTchATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Democracy, Leadership. [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ]
Re: Physical symptoms and request fo [ PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com ]
langauges [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
entity removal -- "Access treatment" [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 19:29:34 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: "Mystress Angelique Serpent" <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, <ks-listATnospamnbn.com>
Subject: Re: Democracy, Leadership.
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> I accept that I may be judgmental and selfish.
Don't accept - CHANGE!
>I accept that my best
>intentions, may be only the folly of my ego playing games.
This is all one can do.
> I accept that I
>am human, and if I had perfected the unconditionality of my love, I would
>have ascended by now. Perhaps I already have, and am too foolish to see the
>difference.
You already never haven't.
> I accept that sometimes the kindest gift of unconditional love can be a
>slap upside da head to calm a hysterical person.
Too true. The operative principle as that the slap must come from love.
>I accept that there are
>folks on this planet, who are so numbed, that they need to see bruises, to
>know that they have been touched by another human being.
Perhaps then the other human being is too intent on their touch being
noticed.
> I accept that each person has thier own language, and if I wish to be
>heard, I must speak of christ to the christian, and legalese to the
>dogmatically ridgid.
but there is one universal in all it's beauty and terror:
> Love, is All that Is, and it comes in shapes that are beautiful and
>others that have a terrible beauty.. creation and destruction both, dark
>and light.
the true nature of our universe as seen through the eyes of the human
condition.
> Forgive me my trespass on your ideals of leadership. I surrender to my
>Tao.
There is, of course, no "wrong" in the creation of a work of art. My ideals
have nothing to do with it. You act as you see fit in the unfolding of the
art, the list, your life. Hold no regret and expect no reward. You are
untouchable.
Much Love.
Jason.
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 19:30:12 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>, <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Leadership/Tough Decisions
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>Gloria Lee: Who said any of this was supposed to be permanent???WE have
>experienced Dieter and he us...this has served many invisible purposes.
>For whatever reasons..(are we really expected to know even??) If we can
>only *see* the divine as *perfection*..well, Jason..
Yes, who said permanent? I think you did. Truth: we are going to die.
You, me, Dieter, Angelique. There are no survivors. That is divine. That
is *perfection.* In light of that, how can someone be so petty as to write
the message I wrote? Or the one Angelique wrote? Or the one you wrote?
>OH>>>BTW>>Part of the "work of art" here is that its a work in
>progress...you got your paintbrush?? Done yet?? Care to have your little
>corner of the big picture *evaluated*??? Yikes!!!
Yes. In fact, I love this list, Angelique's work of art. I think it is one
of the most fantastic works I have ever witnessed. I see that it is still
unfolding and I contribute with my own humanity and folly. How wonderful!
How stupendous! And the master or mystress or proprieter of this work of
art, Angelique - what a fabulous creature!
So evalute away. Compare me against your norms. Put me next to
"spiritually correct" and see that I love this flicker of energy called life
more than any of your rules. See that none of this is really so important
that we must upset the flicker that we have so carefully cultivated to be
strong and true. Evaluate and see that you = me = Dieter = Angelique.
Jason.
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 13:03:35 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Heavy Thinkers..
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FrankuskkaATnospamaol.com wrote:
>Just relax and enjoy this... its the lighter side....
>Are YOU a problem thinker?
>It started out innocently enough. I began to think at parties now and then to
>loosen up. Inevitably though, one thought led to another, and soon I was more
>than just a social thinker....
I love it!!
When I do K. meditation, Shakti tells me "No words, no thinking."
Sometimes - like when I've been writing a lot of email - I find it hard to
stop thinking. So one day Shakti said, "Think of it as Recess Time. You
can leave your intellect and the whole world behind. Just come out here
with me and play!"
So now, when I go to meditation, I say to myself, "Recess Time!" It helps.
Love,
Ann
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 14:59:02 EST
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: gauravATnospamlw1.vsnl.net.in, acarreATnospamconcentric.net
Cc: d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Democracy
Message-ID: <335fb404.34dcbd08ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-02-07 11:07:31 EST, gauravATnospamlw1.vsnl.net.in writes:
Guarva writes: Jargons of metaphysics and claim of spirituality are thin
covers to
conceal the utter confusion and idiocy regarding the basic concepts of
kundalini.
Harsha writes: That may or may not be true. Strength of attachment to
thoughts, the feeling of intensity with which one holds particular points of
view, and the lack of Self-Awareness is the fundamental obstacle in not
realizing the Ultimate nature of the Great Power known as Kundalini Shakti.
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 12:02:12 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Jenn1881ATnospamaol.com
CC: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Ringing in the ears
Message-ID: <34DC3F32.3549ATnospamintercomm.com>
Jenn1881ATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> To those of you who have experienced the ringing in the ears to different
> degrees;
>
> Your personal experiences with this that you have shared seem so positive. I
> always heard that tinnitus (sp)? the ringing, was painful and incredibly
> annoying. All of you seem to accept it as part of your spiritual growth,
> nothing to cower from and still grow with it.
>
> I haven't ever had any ringing and am happy to learn that as with everything
> else I am learning, it can be absorbed into our spiritual growth and if
> detached from.
>
> Love, Jen
GG
Actaully it is different then what I perceive ringing from Tinnitius,
you've heard me speak of frequency changes which quite a number of you
now experience, but also what they call the music of the spheres, which
is like the ocean roar. And other sounds as well, as the years past and
I became absorbed into it, then it was totally nothing other then being
with it. It is like being absorbed into Divine Will and that presence of
knowing and just always being in it, until you are it. This is in part
the self realization of knowing oneself as that and this is 24 hours a
day.
Also in early years I remember being able to hear everything goin on in
my body, my heart beat, my breath, it was like I was inside of each of
the sounds. In part the reason I wrote the book on detachment is because
of my experience of becoming absorbed into the spiritual manifestation
of presence, since you become conscious of things inside and out as
though you were them. And, that is very unnerving if you haven't
mastered aspects of detachment and witnessing.
This total manifesting first came through the right ear, when it moves
to the left ear it is total absorbtion. In a couple of books I read that
were eastern, I do believe one was Muktananda, he said that when it
began in the left ear it was a sign that you would leave the body soon.
His teacher denied this, I do believe I have read that before in other
writings as well. I can testify that this has not happened since the
left ear manifests quiet regular and I'm still here. Although when it
does happen you go into Samadhi immediately, and I have had the dreams
now where I'm not connected to the body. This all seems to be according
to Divine Will and purpose. Harsha and Indra may be able to tell us more
from their experience. GG
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 12:33:39 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Leadership/Tough Decisions/#2
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>>Gloria Lee: Who said any of this was supposed to be permanent???WE
have
>>experienced Dieter and he us...this has served many invisible
purposes.
>>For whatever reasons..(are we really expected to know even??) If we
can
>>only *see* the divine as *perfection*..well, Jason..
>
>Yes, who said permanent? I think you did. Truth: we are going to die.
>You, me, Dieter, Angelique. There are no survivors. That is divine.
That
>is *perfection.* In light of that, how can someone be so petty as to
write
>the message I wrote? Or the one Angelique wrote? Or the one you
wrote?
G. LEE
so we are petty now??...am I being chastised for wasting my brief time
on earth to be concerned for these *petty* concerns of your post?? LOL
It's ok, as usual, I was evidently just talking to myself. You raise a
good question, tho...what does being mortal really tell us about how we
choose to spend our time??? Whatever DID possess me to write??
You were just sounding kinda *lofty* in your post...which I like when
its inspirational kind of lofty..and lately I have been on lurk
mode...so, thanks for inspiring me to think and bother to write at
all... Myself, have felt *out-of-the-game*, sitting on the bench here
for too long.. I do very little as it is... My own energy level has
been so very low, still trying to get my strength back from surgery..
(give me a break here, ok??) so, yeah...we are mortal..that's kinda
what I was trying to get across..in my own muddled way...glad we agree
on something???
<<<big snip>>> of
>art, Angelique - what a fabulous creature!
>
>So evalute away. Compare me against your norms. Put me next to
>"spiritually correct" and see that I love this flicker of energy called
life
>more than any of your rules. See that none of this is really so
important
>that we must upset the flicker that we have so carefully cultivated to
be
>strong and true. Evaluate and see that you = me = Dieter = Angelique.
>
>
>Jason.
>
>
>HMMMM??? Gee, I sincerely had some intent to say *that* too.. sorry if
it wasn't expressed clearly enough...to let go of the judgement..."it's
a work in progress" means *that* ..to me.
I was just asking ...to be raising that question..trust me, I AM NOT
interested in evaluating!! Calling it fair or foul on this one shot with
Dieter is beyond me, even. Referee's and moms have to make tough
decisions: that was my main point..period. It was Mystress's call. I
shared my own example of being perplexed by ethical decisions to show
that I cannot even evalute myself, let alone Jason, Dieter, Angelique.
All this thinking does wear one out..gonna go back to lurk mode and take
a nap.
Wearily, Gloria Lee
But I sure am glad you love *this flicker of energy we call life*
..it was worth all this hassle and even wading through eons of evolution
just to hear you say that, Jason.
Gloria Lee
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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 15:52:30 -0500
From: rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevithick)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Physical symptoms and request for solutions
Message-ID: <34dec6ce.16910669ATnospammail.redsuspenders.com>
I've gathered that many people experience very distressing physical
symptoms when their Kundalini energy begins rising and the person
lacks a proper support system, teacher, guru, whatever the correct
term is.
I'm wondering if this might be my problem, and would appreciate any
feedback.
Most of my life I've had anxiety symptoms.. extreme nervous tension,
inability to relax, classic stuff that lead to the diagnosis of "GAD -
Generalized Anxiety Disorder."
I've tried years of being without medications, using various other
meditation techniques such as Jon Kabat-Zinn's Mindfullness approach,
exercise, yoga, tapes from The Monroe Institute, cognitive therapy,
herbs, vitamins... you name it. But I've *never* tried Kundalini
meditation, because I'd always heard you need a teacher to do that
safely.
I finally gave up, went to a shrink, and am now on 6mg/day of Xanax.
For those of you not familiar with this drug, 6mg would put a large
horse on its knees. For me, I just barely brings me down to the point
where I can function.
This all began in my teens or maybe even earlier.. it's hard to
pinpoint, because for many years I just assumed everyone felt this way
and didn't realize I was experiencing something that most of my
friends weren't.
Given the above, does this sound to you folks like I might be someone
suffering from adverse kundalini effects?
If so, can anyone recommend a good teacher near the Rochester, NY
area? Or, lacking this, can anyone recommend *anything* that might
help?
Thanks in advance for any thoughts anyone might care to share!
Regards,
Bob
--
Bob Trevithick
rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:44:21 EST
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: gauravATnospamlw1.vsnl.net.in, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Intellect as a Guide
Message-ID: <bebbb3a3.34dcd5b7ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-02-07 12:08:10 EST, gauravATnospamlw1.vsnl.net.in writes:
<< its agreed that intellect is a poor guide in kundalini matters.
Rahul nandan >>
Harsha writes: Not always, although, Pascal did say that the Heart has its
reasons which reason cannot know (or define). The subtle intellect functioning
in a pure mind is indeed a great help in understanding the nature of the
Shakti. Intellect functioning in a mind that is overpowered by the senses is
not a good guide.
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 14:32:00
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, <ks-listATnospamnbn.com>
Subject: Re: Democracy, Leadership.
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At 19:29 07/02/98 +0100, Jason S. White wrote:
>> I accept that I may be judgmental and selfish.
>
>Don't accept - CHANGE!
Funny, that's just what I told Dieter... LOL!
>
<...>
>> I accept that sometimes the kindest gift of unconditional love can be a
>>slap upside da head to calm a hysterical person.
>
>Too true. The operative principle as that the slap must come from love.
>
Query: What made you think it didn't??
>>I accept that there are
>>folks on this planet, who are so numbed, that they need to see bruises, to
>>know that they have been touched by another human being.
>
>Perhaps then the other human being is too intent on their touch being
>noticed.
Noticed by whom? I did not say they needed to display the bruises to
others, necessarily.
<..>
>> Forgive me my trespass on your ideals of leadership. I surrender to my
>>Tao.
>
>There is, of course, no "wrong" in the creation of a work of art. My ideals
>have nothing to do with it. You act as you see fit in the unfolding of the
>art, the list, your life. Hold no regret and expect no reward. You are
>untouchable.
>
>
>Much Love.
>Jason.
I dunno.. I am content with my decision.. it was you who seemed to need
to question it's merit... or reward it, I am not sure.. why?
Blessings, Mystress.
>
>
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
-- Harry Emerson Fosdick
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:57:43 EST
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: gauravATnospamlw1.vsnl.net.in, acarreATnospamconcentric.net
Cc: d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Democracy
Message-ID: <5375c129.34dcd8daATnospamaol.com>
Harsha writes: Brother Dieter has been put on a diet (of words). Well, the
list has to be managed in a practical way. What could Angelique do? Maybe put
the matter to a vote? Perhaps if dear Dieter can promise Angelique to be
restrained in the volumes that he offers, he can be allowed to reincarnate
back into the list.
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 11:04:20 +1300
From: Jax <jaxxATnospamihug.co.nz>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Democracy, Leadership.
Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980208110420.0069ea18ATnospampop.ihug.co.nz>
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Dear Jason
You wrote...
>A demonstration of your unconditional love and guru status?
>He was not attracted here by Goddess for the higher good of the list?
>This list, this "community" is your work of art.
>As a work of art, it naturally shows your humanity and folly.
>Sometimes beautiful.
>Sometimes enlightening.
>Sometimes disgusting and exclusionary.
>
>These words are your property.
>Forgive me my trespasses............
>
>Fart,
>Jason.
>
Gloria Lee wrote...
>: Who said any of this was supposed to be permanent???WE have
>experienced Dieter and he us...this has served many invisible purposes.
>For whatever reasons..(are we really expected to know even??)
Perhaps one of the invisible purposes of Dieter being on the list and then
taken off the list was to push a button for you...
You appeared invisible to me til you wrote you message notably after he was
removed! :-) Things work in funny ways. The universe has spoken... !!
Now your button has been pushed what now??? Oh damn its self
responsiblilty time!!! Decisions can be changed. Angelique is without
doubt list-mystress
however I certainly reserve a right for making an appeal if it were a
subject that was held dear to me...
Of course it is also easy to complain and put the problem out there... then
nothing has to be done about it.
What part of this is in you??? What does your internal Dieter look like??
...Or is it an internal Angelique that feels uncomfortable...??
Take this whole occasion as a gift, might be wrapped in yukky smelly old
newspapers but it is a gift that only you can discover!
regards
...jacqueline
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 23:39:43 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: "Mystress Angelique Serpent" <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, <ks-listATnospamnbn.com>
Subject: Re: Democracy, Leadership.
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> I dunno.. I am content with my decision.. it was you who seemed to need
>to question it's merit... or reward it, I am not sure.. why?
Yes. I am here to learn too.
I don't care one way or the other about Dieter or your decision.
Tell me what you see.
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:35:11 EST
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: tseewATnospamservtech.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: dturinaATnospamusa.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Anahata and the Heart
Message-ID: <7c80bbab.34dd19e1ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-02-07 19:01:09 EST, tseewATnospamservtech.com writes:
<< But anahata isn't the connection to God. The
_entire_ system is, mulaadhara-sushumna-sahasraara vertical line. >>
Harsha writes: This conceptualization is misleading in several ways. Advanced
Yogis can experience the Shakti both in the back and in the front. Many Nadis
in the front develop in later stages. Anahata is the Psychic Heart Center of
Kundalini Yoga and is an important center to develop for many aspirants. It is
safer to develop it first. Many celestial visions arise from this Chakra.
However, when great sages refer to the Heart as the Self, they are not
referring to Anahata. The Sanskrit word Hridayam (also translated Heart)
refers to the Ultimate Subject, the Self It Self, which is Self-Existent and
Shines by its own Essence. That Heart, the Reality of Being, is indeed beyond
Sahasarara. That Heart is the very Core of Being and is the Center in which
all other centers exist.
Harsha
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 22:13:36 -0500
From: Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com>
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
CC: tseewATnospamservtech.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, dturinaATnospamusa.net,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Anahata and the Heart
Message-ID: <34DD22DF.1B283230ATnospamVIPMail.com>
Harsha,A curiosity: is Anahata in the front or the back?
Teresa
> Harsha writes: This conceptualization is misleading in several ways. Advanced
> Yogis can experience the Shakti both in the back and in the front. Many Nadis
> in the front develop in later stages. Anahata is the Psychic Heart Center of
> Kundalini Yoga and is an important center to develop for many aspirants. It is
> safer to develop it first. Many celestial visions arise from this Chakra.
> However, when great sages refer to the Heart as the Self, they are not
> referring to Anahata. The Sanskrit word Hridayam (also translated Heart)
> refers to the Ultimate Subject, the Self It Self, which is Self-Existent and
> Shines by its own Essence. That Heart, the Reality of Being, is indeed beyond
> Sahasarara. That Heart is the very Core of Being and is the Center in which
> all other centers exist.
>
> Harsha
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:21:03 EST
From: RadiantTchATnospamaol.com
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Democracy, Leadership.
Message-ID: <4b4a810a.34dd24a1ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-02-07 16:51:12 EST, you write:
<< >> I accept that I may be judgmental and selfish.
>
>Don't accept - CHANGE! >>
There IS no change/transformation without acceptance first, IMO. Fear binds,
love and/or acceptance frees, including habits. When you make something
"wrong," you bind it to you. When you come to nonjudgement of it, you are
free of it, therein lying the transformation. :-)
Blessings,
Barbara Ellen
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 04:44:50 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Democracy, Leadership.
Message-ID: <34df382d.27646269ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
X-No-Archive: yes
One of the reasons I find this list to be among the finer things in my
life,is the give and take. I doubt you will find another mail list or
newsgroup with a more intelligent and loving group of people.
Reasonable discussion, even after something as drastic as
banishment, prevail here. Sometimes it's downright eerie, when things
start getting a little out of hand, a peacemaker arrives to level the
playing ground. And it seems as if it's always a different person.
The only word that springs to mind is.....................
Cool !
Jack
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:58:42 EST
From: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Physical symptoms and request for solutions
Message-ID: <653e0a41.34dd57a4ATnospamaol.com>
<< does this sound to you folks like I might be someone suffering from adverse
kundalini effects?
If so, can anyone recommend a good teacher near the Rochester, NY
area? Or, lacking this, can anyone recommend *anything* that might
help?>>
Dear Bob,
I'm probably the least informed person on the kundalini list because I had a
spontaneous kundalini activation and have had to learn "on-the-job." I too
was warned early on about the dangers of working with kundalini practices
without a teacher. But, with the support of this list, it has been wonderful
and fulfilling, albeit confusing and elusive. I don't know if your anxiety is
a negative side effect of kundalini or not, but it seems that most kundalini
side effects are not chronic. I went through a stage where I was
hypersensitized to everything. I sobbed for months, and then it passed. You
say you have had the anxiety most of your life. Although kundalini is
definitely healing, it's scope is much greater than any single physical or
mental condition.
Again, I know nothing. But the single most powerful and healing thing for me
has been getting into a habit of expressing gratitude. I haven't really
figured out who or what I am expressing gratitude to, but I know clearly what
I am expressing gratitude for. Even when I am ill, stressed, put upon, or
anxious, I just say thank you from my heart. If you can get to a place where
you are thankful to be your anxiety-riddled self, and mean it, you will soar.
The shittier your day, the more gratitude you express. I have found it quite
transforming.
You may respond that mood is ultimately a chemical event in your brain.
Absolutely. But the secret we are accepting ever so gradually is that our
consciousness has a causative effect on our chemistry, not the other way
around. So force a jubilant, humble, and appreciative overlay on top of the
brain that you think is hardwired to be anxious. Just say the words at first,
even if you don't mean them. Build a repertoire of joyful memories that will
get the endorphines pumping and the seratonin sizzlin.' Do gratitude
exercises just like you were going to work out at the gym. Build enthusiasm.
You'll get a major buzz. Maybe some of the health care professionals on the
list can tell you what to do about the Xanax.
Whether or not you are undergoing a kundalini process, you clearly are a
seeker. Just this morning, I read in list member Gloria Greco's book
something that will probably sound familiar to you:
"A spirit-directed process allows higher knowledge to manifest. The body
and mind coordinate the endeavor using information from present circumstances
and memories of the past. When spirit stirs within the soul of man, a great
urge to find truth is born. A void forms deep within the subconscious mind, a
riddle that must be solved. The search for purpose and understanding causes
deep thoughts to surface. Questions pour into the conscious mind. Who am I?
What is life? What is my purpose? Is life a dream on a cosmic level? Is
this experience really happening or is it all my imagination?"
So, k or no k, you seem to be a man who is asking these questions.
Peg
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 21:06:52 -0800
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: langauges
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At 06:43 PM 2/6/98, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> I accept that each person has thier own language, and if I wish to be
>heard, I must speak of christ to the christian, and legalese to the
>dogmatically ridgid.
Right! And the tremendous white clarity of the space in which one decides
which language to use, the space above any words at all....
BB
Mary
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 21:06:51 -0800
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: entity removal -- "Access treatment"
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At 02:20 PM 2/5/98, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> Hello, All:
>
> I woke up this morning feeling quite, quite, wonderful. Last night, I
>used what little I know of the "Access" treatment, from writing to Carol...
What's this? I've seen a little about "entity removal" from BPI.... Where
can I learn more about this?
>and the extra info from my Angels, filling in the blanks... to remove an
>entity from my newest slave grrrl r., /snip/
> She has better uses for her energy than feeding a hungry alternate
>dimensional entity. I never used to believe in non-physical entities taking
>possession of humans, till higher self via pendulum dowsing explained that
>that was what was up with her. Live and learn.
> I still don't call them demons, because they aren't. The entity flew out
>of her head and transmuted to light, quite readily when it was presuaded
>that it had that option, and it would be better off that way.
This also sounds like the approach in Iris Belhayes' book /Spirit Guides/.
She gives them the option of zooting around the physical world having fun
without bothering people, and they take it.
BB
Mary
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