1998/02/06 09:30
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #105
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 105
Today's Topics:
Re: 3am/3pm kundalini-l-d Digest V98 [ iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com> ]
suppose.... [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Democracy, Leadership. [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #104 [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Fw: Virus Alerts and Hoaxes [ Gloria Lee <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net> ]
Bozo Juretic running wild :) [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net> ]
Re: totality [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Democracy, Leadership. [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Bozo Juretic running wild :) [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Bozo Juretic running wild :) [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net> ]
Re: Execution/Poetry [ "Paul McDonald, TeleReference LA, M ]
Re: Execution/Poetry [ jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner) ]
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 13:20:02 -0800
From: iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: 3am/3pm kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #98
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>kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 98
>
>On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, this is a K-symptom..in the 80's, I went thru a long period of
>> waking at 3am or shortly after.. the wierdness had me feeling slightly
>> haunted, wondering what was waking me, but I did not connect it with a
>> feeling of a prescence, at the time. Didn't know about K. then.
>> From my christian background, I know that 3:pm is considered the most
>> sacred time of day, it is the time when Christ dies on the cross.. that
>> thought would float into my mind, at tht time, and I would get that 3:am
>> was the most sacred time of night. Polarities.
>> Now that I think on it, it happened for a while in my teens, too. I would
>> wake up with the absolute conviction of an invisible sasquatch outside my
>> bedroom window.. I have since discovered sasquatches and alien contacts are
>> connected... just like in that old "6 million Dollar man" episode... Go
>> figger..?
>> Blessigns, Mystress.
>>-------------------------------------
You may have the times right...that i do not know but you are using the
modern clock therefore the 3:00 A.M. and 3:00 P.M. that you refer to are the
wrong times....
Prior to the 6 day war in the middle east (in 1967 for those of you that
don't recall)...the tower clock in the city of Jaffa and some very old
pocket watches that have long since disappeared (collectors or novelty
buyers must have got them i suppose)used to show the time the way it used to
be referred to... where the 12 is now used to be the position of the
6...therefore 3:00 A.M. is by today's clock 9:00 A.M. and obviously 3:00
P.M. is by today's clock 9:00 P.M.
(And yes the Jaffa tower clock has long since been changed over to the
modern time convention) so when there are references about waking up at 3:00
A.M. and it was light out...you now can understand why it would be so....
Second point....have you ever thought of the terms we use for 12:00...we say
either it is midnight or midday...well mid is short for middle...so the
question is middle of what....12:00 is in the middle IF the clock goes from
6:00 to 6:00
Time Phenomenon...ever notice that a group of people gets quiet about 3
times per hour....usually close to 20 minutes after the hour, 20 minutes to
the hour and on the hour....i.e. 3:20, 3:40 and 4:00...go figure...
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:34:33 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: suppose....
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i suppose,
that with speaking one could change the world.
but every word is itself
a totality packet of vibrations
spinning the atoms on soundwaves.
i suppose,
with sitting still
One can also change the world,
slowing down,
the roses have room to perfume the room.
i suppose
Philosophy can mold a better
human paradign.
But glowing lights spinning
around in the heart with a
voice
reciting
syllables of mantra--
a friend reports
she feels better
she relaxes enough to
walk her dog.
CFIDS relaxes her grip on her just
a little
bit.
When the top of your head is the
rainbow-lit starfield
and your feet are fluid
connections of
white
liquid lite
its very hard to
see you and me
and argue
this is me,
this is not you.
When your tears are in my eyes,
how can i not look upon you
with anything
but
Kindness.
i cannot wish to control you then
merely to ask
"How can i help you"
so i suppose....but nothing else comes to light right now.
--janpa tsomo (feb 1998)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 14:20:24
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, ks-listATnospamnbn.com
Subject: Democracy, Leadership.
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Hello, All:
I woke up this morning feeling quite, quite, wonderful. Last night, I
used what little I know of the "Access" treatment, from writing to Carol...
and the extra info from my Angels, filling in the blanks... to remove an
entity from my newest slave grrrl r., which was connected to her power
chakra, and has been making her fearful and ill since she experienced
sexual abuse at age 5. The entity jumped from her abuser, into her at that
time. Went, to where more fear could be had.
She came in white and terrified, shaking like a leaf. Not scared of me,
she knows I won't harm her, just scared, in her body.. the emotions of the
parasite becoming her own.
I hadn't seen her in weeks, because the entity knew I had it's number
up.. it was scared of me, and it was keeping her too sick to travel to see me.
Not very cool for a 21 year old fulltime student-single mom with a four
year old daughter, who is working 3 parttime jobs. So completely sweet
natured, is this young woman, that I am thinking her slave-name will be
"cuddlebunny". Awful to see her trembling with fear like a little rabbit.
She has better uses for her energy than feeding a hungry alternate
dimensional entity. I never used to believe in non-physical entities taking
possession of humans, till higher self via pendulum dowsing explained that
that was what was up with her. Live and learn.
I still don't call them demons, because they aren't. The entity flew out
of her head and transmuted to light, quite readily when it was presuaded
that it had that option, and it would be better off that way. Four other
ones in her chest.. it's entourage? Followed soon after. Zip zip, gone.
The change in her filled me with joy and awe, which is still with me as I
write this. Her posture straightened, she streached and her body was making
all these little cracking noises as everything held tight for so many years
released. She could breathe more deeply, she said she felt very light, and
I had her take a short nap, relaxing feeling the blissful waves of light
flowing through her body, as the angels reconstructed her, filling the new
spaces inside with light. She left after, radiant with joy.
I feel so blessed, honored to have been a part of such great healing.
Blessed be!
Even downloading my mail, and discovering what mischief Dieter has been
up to, (over 100k this time.. sigh.) .. couldn't spoil my mood. I picked up
a pagan newsletter, and it opened to a page, that I would like to share
with you all.. author unknown.
*
A Leader.
---------
I went on a search to become a leader.
I searched high and low. I spoke with authority, people listened but
alas, there was one who was wiser than I, and they followed her.
I sought to inspire confidence but the crowd responded, "Why should we
trust you?"
I postured and I assumed a look of leadership with a countenance that
glowed with confidence and pride.
But many passed me by and never noticed my air of elegance.
I ran ahead of others, pointing the way to new heights. I demonstrated I
knew the route to greatness.
And then I looked back and I was all alone.
"What shall I do", I queried? "I've tried hard and used all that I know."
I sat down and pondered long.
And then I listened to the voices around me,. And I heard what the group
was trying to accomplish.
I rolled up my sleeves and joined the work.
As we worked I asked, "Are we all together in what we want to do and how
to get the job done?"
And we thought together and we fought together and we struggled towards
our goal.
I found myself encouraging the fainthearted. I sought the ideas of those
too shy to speak out.
I taught those who had little skill. I praised those who worked hard.
When our task was completed, one of the groups turned to me and said.
"This would not have been done but for your leadership."
And then I said, "I didn't lead, I just worked with the rest."
And then I understood, leadership is not a goal. It's a way of reaching a
goal.
I lead best when I help others to go where we've decided we wanted to go.
I lead best when I helped others to use themselves creatively.
I lead best when I forgot about myself as leader, and focussed on my
group, their needs and their goals.
To lead is to serve. To give to achive together.
***********
Blessed be.
To that wisdom I would add my own view of leadership: responsibility-
where the buck stops. In a democracy, we elect the leaders we have the most
faith in, to make the best decisions on our behalf.
I find my self wishing I could persuade Dieter to transmute into light,
the way I did with the other parasitical entities. The difference in this
situation is not that they are in different forms- physical and
non-physical, but rather, that the entities were willing to listen and
consider what I had to say.. and Dieter is not.
For myself alone, I would be willing to continue to download Dieter's
posts, rather than excercise censorship on the list.. something I have
always tried to aviod doing, even when my own issues were being poked. My
bandwidth is unlimited.. I pay $100. monthly for my big website, including
all the email I can eat. (The lists are a separate bill.)
When I focus on the group needs, tho, I see that it is time I make the
hard decision to remove him from this community. I used to be Sgt. at Arms
(arbiter, bouncer, security, dungeon safety Mystress) for the local
National Leather Association chapter, so the task is not an unfamiliar one,
just a new medium.
I am not putting this to a vote. When Dieter was on the list previously,
there was a thread called "Deleting Dieter", look it up in the archives at
reference.com, if you like.. the members have already spoken to reject. I
don't feel the topic needs any more bandwidth. He's just not a "team
player", and his selfishness is causing some members hardship.
This will be the first time, in the K.list's 20 month history, that
anyone has been involuntarily unsubscribed, for any reason. Tho the list
has lynched a few folks till they ran away.. usually merkaba salesmen.
Antaris Ra and John Locke come to mind..
To Dieter:
Yesterday you were warned, which only provoked you to more excesses.
This will be the last post from K.list you will recieve, as I am
unsubbing you as soon as this is sent. When I took over this list, and the
bill that goes with it, I got an email address that says I am list owner. I
do not usually think of myself "owning" this cyberspace, ... but legally, I
do.
Any further posts to K.list from you will be considered "trespassing",
and complaints will be sent to your server, with the likely result that
they will revoke your service. I imagine that would be very disappointing
to your children.
I will tell you what I told another, in a dustup many moons ago.. if you
don't like how this list is run, feel free to start your own list.
Cyberspace has room for all diversity. It has worked out wonderfully.
But the K.list has no more room for you. You have used up more than
your share.
If you do decide to set up your own list, or website, you may send me a
post inviting K.list members to join/visit it, and I will gladly forward it
to the K.list.
I may legally own the cyberspace, but I certainly don't own the members,
they go where they will, and my blessings go with them. And with you. Happy
Trails!
If you need more info, feel free to write to me at
kundalini-l-ownerATnospamexecpc.com
Love and electric blue K. fire, List Mystress.
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:47:58 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #104
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One thing good about the Digest Mode, All of the Dieter posts ended up in
the same digest :)
i read the first few lines & promptly ignored the rest.
on my list he'd be given 1 warning & then a boot, depending on which
moderator found it most annoying first. Just for spam purposes.
Does anything require *that* many words to say?
not sure if this post does anything toward positive, but it was kinda
funny to get 3/4 digests in one day all from the same person
Do your fingers hurt yet?
maitri,
--janpa
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:06:46 -0500
From: Gloria Lee <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Fw: Virus Alerts and Hoaxes
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>R
>
>Got this from a message at work. cb
>
>
>
>> If you have Internet access a very good site for identifying
>> hoaxes is run by the National Computer Security Association
>> (NCSA) at <http://www.ncsa.com/virus/alerthoax.html>.
>>
> At this point in time it is not possible
>> for one to receive a virus simply because one opens a text file.
>You
>> would have to save the file to DISK. The best way to avoid
>attachment
>> viruses is to know that they almost always are carried by executable
>
>> files, these are files followed by a file extension .exe you should
>be
>> safe opening any ASCII text file.
>
>
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 01:40:14 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Bozo Juretic running wild :)
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Hi folks! :)
This may come as a little surprise to some of you Kundalini-addicts, but I
think now is the time to come out: there is another Kundalini-mailing list,
in Croatia - ten raving maniacs wasting bandwidth most of the time, and
talking about K some of the time, not enough anyway. :) Yes, some of us are
lurking somewhere around here, thanks for asking, but since most of what
we're ranting about is of little importance to folks outside our little
group, we made ourselves a little private mailing list,
cro_kundalini-lATnospamvitez.cofc.edu, minding our own business as usual... until
Bozo got his ego pumped-up or something and wrote this, quoted below. :)
Yes, Bozo, this is me kicking your butt for writing under misspelled alias,
worst of all in language you are even less familiar with then my most
unhumble self, which is a very very poor position to be in, trust me. ;))
Allow me to write something about us:
Bozo Juretic - really a nice guy, actually, when he's not using sanskrit
alias he doesn't know how to spell, and he really does some yoga, when he's
not bragging about it publicly, and regretting it later. ;) Lives in Split,
Croatia. Also starring:
Domagoj Klepac (Domchi), Zagreb, Croatia
Franjo Hornung (Fritz), Virovitica, Croatia
Matija Papec, Zagreb
Radoslav Prica (Felix), Zagreb
Sasa Placko, Zacretje, Croatia
Tea Franic, Graz, Austria
Zoran Sunajko, Zagreb and sometimes Lasko, Slovenia
Zvjezdana Bevandic Sunajko, Zoran's mom
...and, you figured it out by now, .. ;), Zagreb, Croatia :)
>Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:35:59 +0100
>From: Sainanda <sainandaATnospampop.netaddress.usa.net>
>To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
>Subject: Re: Fwd: Viewing the digital clock
>Message-Id: <Version.32.19980205095246.00e1f660ATnospampop.netaddress.com>
>Message-Id: <Version.32.19980205095246.00e1f660ATnospampop.netaddress.com>
>
>
>At 19:34 1998.02.03 +0000, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
>Dear Angelique! :)
>
>
>First let me introduce myself...first time writing, but readin' K-list for
>few months. I am 15 years old. I got shaktipat before 3 months, and
>from then i cleaned myself to the 4th level of Kundalini cleaning.
Ajajajajaj. ;)))))) It would be quite nice to tell our List Mystress here
something about those Kundalini levels, yes, you don't want her to scratch
her head trying to figure out what the #$%%&#"! this kid is talking about,
no? ;))) Well, there's always time... ;)
>I have a Teacher, but i thought it is nice to talk with people with the
>same interests. O;-)
Not showing off on a first date usually helps, AFAIR. ;> ;) :)
>I thing it's conected with cleaning the Sva-adhishthana chakra... i mean, i
>was intensive
>cleaning that cakra when i had that simptoms. That lasted until i cleand
>it for good, and forever ;)
Yeah, right, tell me that in, err, one month, let's say? ;)))
>Sometimes Teacher tolds You something, sometimes You get a word from Your
>Brother,
>Somethimes you hear a warning from the Animal, and somethimes You hear a
>whisper
>from the Tree, but we are all One, and all expiriences are line of
>direction of the unescapable Path,
>Path of Selfrealization, path of Godrealization!
Bozo, hurt me, kill me, but please, don't write profound thoughts. :)))
One maniac very glad to know you all, logging off, bye. :) :** :)
ps. sorry if this message comes across somewhat, I don't know, whatever, I
can always say English ain't my mother tongue, it's actually true so I
don't have to make it up. :) Anyway, I have to _think_ while writing until
I get used to the language, and, as List Mystress often points out, brain
is the worst part of our bodies. :) So, inevitable ego-crap all over the
place. ;)
-----
E-mail : dturinaATnospamusa.net
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 22:59:06 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: "d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu" <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: totality
Message-ID: <34DA8A89.5CA0ATnospammail.snet.net>
Dieter Dambiec wrote:
> All the yogic paths
> have morality as their basis which includes the development of conscience
> through rationality.
Are you saying intellect develops consciousness?
That is very egotistical. Intellect is useful on mundane levels.
Like building roads and writing long dry speeches.
But it can also cloud the light if taken to excess.
Intellect as a path to consciousness only has value when one
SEES the inherent contradiction in intellect and its'
enormous limitation. Then one doesn't get bullied around by
the self-made god of intellect.
> which incidentally has nothing whatsoever to do with occult phenomenon. So why
> so much emphasis on symptoms of this kind. Where is the love in that?
If there is a place you find lacking love then there's work to do.
Warmest intent...
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 22:50:21 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, ks-listATnospamnbn.com
Subject: Re: Democracy, Leadership.
Message-ID: <34DA341B.7710ATnospamintercomm.com>
It is to bad that you had to remove him but I do believe we all
understand, you can make a point but then... what is the point? I don't
even think he knows. God Bless him anyway. Gloria
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 22:46:12 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Bozo Juretic running wild :)
Message-ID: <34DA3323.BE4ATnospamintercomm.com>
Danijel Turina wrote:
>
> Hi folks! :)
>
> This may come as a little surprise to some of you Kundalini-addicts, but I
> think now is the time to come out: there is another Kundalini-mailing list,
> in Croatia - ten raving maniacs wasting bandwidth most of the time, and
> talking about K some of the time, not enough anyway. :)
> Croatia. Also starring:
>
> Domagoj Klepac (Domchi), Zagreb, Croatia
> Franjo Hornung (Fritz), Virovitica, Croatia
> Matija Papec, Zagreb
> Radoslav Prica (Felix), Zagreb
> Sasa Placko, Zacretje, Croatia
> Tea Franic, Graz, Austria
> Zoran Sunajko, Zagreb and sometimes Lasko, Slovenia
> Zvjezdana Bevandic Sunajko, Zoran's mom
> ...and, you figured it out by now, .. ;), Zagreb, Croatia :)
Danijel,
Thank you for sharing and your English is fine, I don't think we could
compare if we tried to speak in your language. How long have you been
communicating through your list?
Check out my homepage and if you are interested we can talk more. Nice
to know all of you. Gloria
>
>
> -----
> E-mail : dturinaATnospamusa.net
> Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 11:55:16 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Bozo Juretic running wild :)
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Hi Gloria! :)
>> This may come as a little surprise to some of you Kundalini-addicts, but I
>> think now is the time to come out: there is another Kundalini-mailing list,
>> in Croatia - ten raving maniacs wasting bandwidth most of the time, and
>> talking about K some of the time, not enough anyway. :)
>> Croatia. Also starring:
>>
>> Domagoj Klepac (Domchi), Zagreb, Croatia
>> Franjo Hornung (Fritz), Virovitica, Croatia
>> Matija Papec, Zagreb
>> Radoslav Prica (Felix), Zagreb
>> Sasa Placko, Zacretje, Croatia
>> Tea Franic, Graz, Austria
>> Zoran Sunajko, Zagreb and sometimes Lasko, Slovenia
>> Zvjezdana Bevandic Sunajko, Zoran's mom
>> ...and, you figured it out by now, .. ;), Zagreb, Croatia :)
>
>Danijel,
> Thank you for sharing and your English is fine,
Well, I still need to get more comfortable with it. :)
>I don't think we could
>compare if we tried to speak in your language.
So it seems, yes. :)
>How long have you been
>communicating through your list?
The cro_kundalini-l is around for only a few months, at first we used to
cc-mail, but it is a lot of fuss so we made ourselves a list. :) But it is
not exactly the way it started, you see, there is a great fidonet/usenet
newsgroup, hr.fido.religija where we got to know each other - Domchi
moderates the group and I even made a yoga/vedanta support site (in the
sig, unfortunately Croatian language only). With time, newsgroup began to
feel somewhat uncomfortable, there was nothing else to be said there, and
that's how the list started. BTW I was here all the time, lurking,
forwarding some of the interesting stuff to the newsgroup, but until now I
never had "inner permission" to get myself involved here, probably the
things were not ready, I can't really tell. But now, since Bozo got his
sorry ass here, I felt it was a good idea to join. :)
> Check out my homepage and if you are interested we can talk more.
No need, done that already, I even have most of the K-ites' homepages
linked to my site. :) As I said, I've been here for a while. ;) Your
technique is quite similar to the one of Aba Aziz Makaja (Franjo
Milicevic), another yogi from Croatia - I didn't get to meet him yet,
unfortunately. Anahata/sahasra-ara. Cosmic Kundalini - probably the safest
way to start things up. The only problem with it is that you have people
quite evolved spiritually but without significant anahata activity, which
makes it quite a problem. For instance, some of my maniacs have extremely
significant ajna activity but also strong anahata-blocks; Tea, for
instance, began to see my aura and causal patterns during shaktipat, and
felt an "opening" on the forehead large enough to put a fist in it - but no
heart activity worth mentioning. That's one of the reasons why I don't put
much trust in universal solutions - too many things can go wrong, and there
is no cookbook that I know of. ;) Although, when it does work, anahata can
produce some quite dramatic side effects - the entire system of nadis can
become active, and it is nice to have someone around to clean up the ugly
stuff when it starts to wake up. ;) You know what's the most annoying part?
The thing I used to hear much of on the net, especially here - all the
nasty side effects of Kundalini awakening. They can be fixed so easily,
just by opening sahasra-ara (focus on God), and "surrender" - force the
Shakti into the susumna using the simplest possible technique and simply
surrendering to the stream, and since surrendering means susumna-flow, it
goes right up, no detours into other nadis, no significant problems
whatsoever. And that is just the beginning of the start. ;))) Oh well, here
I go talking too much on a first date. ;)))))
>Nice to know all of you. Gloria
:) :* :)
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Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:09:38 -0500 (EST)
From: "Paul McDonald, TeleReference LA, Main Info Services" <PAULATnospamlouisville.lib.ky.us>
To: KUNDALINI-LATnospamEXECPC.COM
CC: PAULATnospamlouisville.lib.ky.us
Subject: Re: Execution/Poetry
Message-Id: <980206100938.5233ATnospamlouisville.lib.ky.us>
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Where did you get your statistics?? I live in Texas and have not heard
that 70% support the death penalty.
And really, Paul, Gubernatorial candidates standing next to photos of
prisoners they've executed???
Sounds like an Urban Legend to me. I've never in my whole life seen this
done.
**************
Kathy,
If you watch the news or read the paper this is common knowledge, ESPECIALLY
in Texas...
As for the rest of your definitely energetic post I can only say that poetry
is a very powerful medium for communication
Paul
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:39:35 -0600
From: jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Execution/Poetry
Message-Id: <199802061539.JAA03277ATnospamns2.icon.net>
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For the record,
>If you watch the news or read the paper this is common knowledge, ESPECIALLY
>in Texas...
I also read that those stats were seriously skewed. We need to be careful
when read something from a person or group who has an agenda. That's one
reason why I read political columns on both sides of an issue. The truth
will lie somewhere in between the two extremes.
Nevertheless, Ms. Tucker may be the death penalty martyr that will change
how we look at it. Did you know, for instance, that in recent years
congress made some important changes removing the ability to appeal the
sentence in some cases?
> As for the rest of your definitely energetic post I can only say that poetry
>is a very powerful medium for communication
Paul, ask yourself this question. When you wrote so scathingly of people
you don't even know, did that come from love? If not, it falls in the realm
of hate speech. In this country, we're guaranteed the freedom of any
speech--even hate speech--but there are also moral and ethical
responsibilities. You know nothing of Texas or its people, yet you called
these strangers, many of them gentle and loving, murderers. Give a bit more
energy to the heart chakra. Look at Texas as though through eyes in your
heart. You might be surprised at what you see, and what you feel.
Have you ever considered the benefits of sending healing, not only to Ms.
Tucker, but to her executioners too? Love, and its sisters forgiveness and
understanding, will accomplish much more than a poetic lashing-out--although
it might have helped you to vent a bit.
Jeanne
==-* My stars!
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