1998/02/02 17:56
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #92
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 92
Today's Topics:
Re: Ear Ringing and 11:11 Time [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Help [ "James Walters" <jwaltersATnospamridgecres ]
Re: missing the mark [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Re: Ear Ringing and 11:11 Time [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Viewing the digital clock [ ThaimiATnospamaol.com ]
test [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Re: Fw: Trees (Humour) [ Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demo ]
Re: Help [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: So-long for now, Paul [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Zendo Listserve [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Zendo Listserve [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ "Mark S. Waind" <gandm.waindATnospamsympat ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ "Mark S. Waind" <gandm.waindATnospamsympat ]
Re: Zendo Listserve [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ "Mark S. Waind" <GANDM.WAINDATnospamSYMPAT ]
Fwd: Viewing the digital clock [ ThaimiATnospamaol.com ]
RE: Zendo Listserve [ jocelyn.duquetteATnospamexgate.tek.com ]
11:11 thing and ear ringing [ nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net> ]
[Fwd: [Fwd:re:"don't care"] >>> "Tru [ Glenn Bailey <glennbobATnospamix.netcom.co ]
[Fwd:re:"don't care"] >>> "Trust, Do [ Glenn Bailey <glennbobATnospamix.netcom.co ]
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 09:40:53 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: Paul Fallon <pawlATnospamfirstnet.co.uk>, Kundalini List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Ear Ringing and 11:11 Time
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The number 7 has always been special to me. When I was first learning
my numbers around the age of 6, something about the number 7 thrilled
me...and it still does. There is a beauty to that number that is beyond
words. The only thing that thrills me more than 7 is this: 7x7=49.
I've always felt a certain antipathy toward 8. I have always wondered
why.
Does anyone have a theory? (I have noticed the number 7 pops up often
in spiritual reading.)
Blessings,
Orea
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:37:21 +0000
From: "James Walters" <jwaltersATnospamridgecrest.ca.us>
To: gsmtheATnospamyahoo.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Help
Message-Id: <199802021439.GAA15098ATnospamridgecrest.ca.us>
Jen,
To sleep at night I have to drink a cup of red wine right before bed.
Otherwise I'll be trormented by vivid dreams and wake up in the early
morning.
The nasty strong energy flow I calm down a little by a combination of
meditation, and Tai Chi. I've found that physical contact with
another person helps a lot too. Sex seems to be a steam release, but
then again I don't know if that applies to women.
Good luck,
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:07:17 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: lafornarATnospamtin.it
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: missing the mark
Message-ID: <34D5E125.887C3F37ATnospambryant.edu>
lafornarATnospamtin.it wrote:
> Does it miss the mark?.......Well,then it misses the mark.
>
> Love
>
> Virginia L. Fornari
Harsha: This is so mysterious! What misses the Mark? And what Mark is
missed?
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:38:39 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Ear Ringing and 11:11 Time
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Linda <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> wrote:
>I just decided to make
>right, positive and left negative to see if fI could come up with a binary
>code. I could have made it the opposite. But I am right handed, so that works
>for me. Anywway, it works and I have many stories to tell about it.
I think you'll find you could also get a signal for other answers, such as
"Maybe" and "I don't know." Ask about it, or try it any way that seems
best. One finger for "Yes," one finger for "No," one finger for "Maybe,"
and one finger for "I don't know." Or right hand = Yes, left hand = No,
right elbow = Maybe, left elbow = I don't know. Whatever works.
You may think you wouldn't need a signal for "I don't know." But it
depends on what level you're communicating with. If you're talking to the
body/subconscious - asking a question about health, supplements, etc., for
instance - you might find that the body/subconscious doesn't know an answer
to something. And you wouldn't want to ask that level what you SHOULD do
about something - that isn't its thing, its field, though it might give you
some answer just because you ask. It's a good idea to know who/ what level
you're talking to.
Recently I've been noticing some new uses of ear noise. When I'm
meditating and I get pretty high and far out, I depend on Shakti to let me
know and/or pull me back when I've done that long enough and it's time to
stop. The other night, I was way out there, when there was a short tone in
my right ear, on about A above middle C. Somehow it was so mundane, so
normal, that it did the trick and I opened my eyes. I asked if that was
the reason for the tone, and the answer was Yes.
Love,
Ann
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:20:58 EST
From: ThaimiATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Viewing the digital clock
Message-ID: <e0362077.34d5e45cATnospamaol.com>
Zehra said:
("Also, has anyone experienced a compulsion to view a digital clock at the
exact time of 11:11 ??? This phenomenon began after the ear ringing
episodes. It's occurring on a daily basis; no matter what I'm doing I turn
like a robot to view the time at 11:11 also on occasion at 1:11 and 7:11. A
few have said this is a sacred or master number. Comments anyone? ")
I have been viewing the clock every night between 3:00am and 3:59am for the
last two or three months. I have shared this with friends and relatives and
some of them had too. I have no idea what it means. But when I wake up between
those hours, I feel the presence of an etheric being in my room.
L & L,
Thaimi
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 07:03:36 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: test
Message-ID: <34D5E048.4935ATnospamblarg.net>
IGNORE
MAIL IS COMMING BACK UNDELIVERED
HAVE RESUBSCRIBED
GOT NO RESPONSE
THIS IS A TEST
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:57:20 +0000
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Trees (Humour)
Message-ID: <BpOVgPAADd10EwyvATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <3.0.32.19980202003807.009c5410ATnospammail.which.net>, Richard
Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com> writes
>>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
>>FROM: THE TREES
>
>>StoP tHE LogGINg oR wE WiLl coNtInUE To KIll oNe CeleBrITY EacH WeEK.
>
>>theRe ARe nO SkIinG "aCciDenTS".
>
KILLER TREES ARE COMING watch out skiers we have had enough of your
tomfoolery
TREES OF THE WORLD UNITE THROW OFF YOUR CHAINSAWS
yogi tom>
>
--
Tom Aston
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:44:50 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Help
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Eve Kochel <batwomanATnospamfull-moon.com> wrote:
>I have *not* yet awakened my Kundalini. I'm at a point in my life where I
>would like to try now. I'm physically healthy, though I do have occasional
>back problems because of a past whiplash accident. Usually, this isn't a
>problem, and a chiropractor helps a great deal. I'm also starting a Hatha
>Yoga program tonight.
>However, I also have chronic depression, which is being treated with
>antidepressants. I've tried to come off of this medication before but I
>just got worse. With the medication, I'm still depressed somewhat, but
>functional.
>
>I'm wondering: would stopping this medication be necessary before
>awakening the Kundalini? And if so, would Kundalini help that depression
>by itself?
>
>Lastly, I've heard over and over again that finding a teacher is the safest
>way to go about it. However, there are none in my area. I'm willing to go
>it alone, but I'm trying my hardest to prepare first. So, how do I
>prepare? Should I change my diet first? Should I do a certain kind of
>meditation first? Should I act differently somehow?
>
>I suppose, in a way, I'm feeling like K. is my last hope. The depression
>is tiring. I yearn for some sort of spiritual fulfillment. I'm not too
>fond of the word, "God".
Hi Eve!
Do not stop your medication! Whenever you do stop it, you should do it
only with your doctor's permission and on his schedule.
The Hatha Yoga sounds very good. Physical exercise causes a release of
endorphins and can help you feel a lot better. And it may help your back.
Also, the practice of Hatha Yoga by itself may be enough to activate your
Kundalini.
You may find that your Hatha Yoga teacher knows a lot about Kundalini and
will be a very good teacher.
For now, why don't you concentrate on the Hatha Yoga? It isn't a very safe
thing to try to raise K. if it hasn't started spontaneously and if you
don't have a teacher. And doing that AND the Hatha Yoga might be a lot to
take on all at once.
But if you work on your Hatha Yoga you may feel much better, and you may be
surprised to find K. starting up all by itself! Talk to your Hatha Yoga
teacher about it.
Love,
Ann
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:55:37 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: "Ronel Grosvenor" <icsdbn06ATnospamglobal.co.za>
Subject: Re: So-long for now, Paul
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>From Paul "Ronel Grosvenor" <icsdbn06ATnospamglobal.co.za>:
Hi Paul:
>I have not been with the group for very long but in this short time I have
>greatly enjoyed the discussions and shared insights from everyone and even
>got to know one or two of you on a more personal level. Thanks Anne, Sarah.
I've enjoyed talking to you, too.
>
>Unfortunately my Mother, who I mentioned had cancer, passed away early
>yesterday morning. I was with her right to the end and can only say it was
>a peaceful and welcomed release from the pain and suffering she endured.
I'm glad it was like that. And glad that this difficult time is behind you
now. You may find you're more tired than you knew - I did. But you have
time now to rest and look ahead to the rest of your life.
>
>In the past few weeks even during her failing health I found a deeper
>greater source of love and peace within myself during quiet meditation
>which apart from being a joyous release from several weeks of frightening
>"k" symptoms it has blessed me with an inner strength and love that I have
>never known in my entire life. Perhaps in preparation for my mothers
>passing. This whole experience has been so deeply personal and intimately
>related to my kundalini manifestation I cannot even begin to convey.
>
>Unfotunately I will be leaving you guy's but hopefully only for a few
>months. As my mothers only child and sole beneficiary there is alot I have
>to sort out. The laptop I've been using will be returned to her work but as
>soon as I am able I will be in contact again.
>
I'll be thinking of you. Write us when you can.
Love,
Ann
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:28:18 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Zendo Listserve
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hi,
Shameless plug for my own discussion list. Its on the practise of Zen
Buddhism. i've been running it now for a few years. It is not academic in
nature, but practise-oriented.
Anyone is welcome to join! send email to 'majordomoATnospammail.win.org' and in
the body of the message say 'subscribe zendo <email>' where the word email
is replaced with your email address. To subscribe to the digest, make the
command 'subscribe zendo-digest <email>'.
maitri,
--debora a. orf
--dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
"do not permit the events of your daily life to bind you, but never
withdraw yourself from them"--Zen saying
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:44:37 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Zendo Listserve
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On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Harsh Luthar wrote:
> Debora,
> How did the 21 hours a day meditation retreat go? Any Satori experiences
> to report?!
> Harsha
>
havent done it yet :)
i leave feb 15th & come back out feb 22nd :)
i'll file report with Kundalini-l and zendo-l when i get back out tho :).
ps im not scared anymore. Excited! i get to go see my teacher!
--dao
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:48:47 -1000 (HST)
From: "Mark S. Waind" <gandm.waindATnospamsympatico.ca>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Dear Riders of the Sacred Sine Wave:
The following is an excerpt from a article by Karin Hannigan entitled,
"Kundalini & the Awakening of the Spirit".
"YOGIC PHENOMENA - Some people find themselves performing yogic postures
or mudra gestures which theyu have never learned or could not do in a
normal state of consciousness. Similarly, they may produce Sanskrit
words or sounds, or have an awareness of inner musisc or sound, mantras
or tones. Unusual breathing patterns may appear with either very rapid
or slow shallow breathing., Some people may not breathe at all for
extended periods."
The above paragraph relates to phenomena that I am very familiar with.
If you have experienced anything like what is mentioned in Karin's
article, I would very much appreciate hearing from you. I believe we
could be of assistance to each other's spiritual growth. Who knows?
We might even be related!
Most Sincerely,
Mark S. Waind
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:58:24 -1000 (HST)
From: "Mark S. Waind" <gandm.waindATnospamsympatico.ca>
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Dear Fellow Seekers:
I am in need of some guidance.
Presently, my third eye chakra in my forehead is opening. I am
experiencing a great deal of discomfort with my eyes. The same burning
numbness that I experienced in my chest and throat when they opened,
is now in my eyes. The discomfort is almost unbearable. My eyes feel
like they are made of wood. My left eye is swollen almost shut! I
believe this is negative energy surfacing and leaving never to return.
As all this is happening my forehead feels as if it is glowing. Are
any suggestions as to what I could do to relieve the discomfort? I
realize I just have to ride this out regardless. I feel that this is
my Shamacic initiatory sickness; that my eyes are dying and are to be
reborn anew with new vitality, purpose and abilities.
Thanks for letting me sound off.
Most sincerely,
Mark
Ge Da
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:42:30 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Zendo Listserve
Message-ID: <34D60586.A0381870ATnospambryant.edu>
Debora,
How did the 21 hours a day meditation retreat go? Any Satori experiences
to report?!
Harsha
Debora A. Orf wrote:
> hi,
>
> Shameless plug for my own discussion list. Its on the practise of Zen
> Buddhism. i've been running it now for a few years. It is not academic in
> nature, but practise-oriented.
>
> Anyone is welcome to join! send email to 'majordomoATnospammail.win.org' and in
> the body of the message say 'subscribe zendo <email>' where the word email
> is replaced with your email address. To subscribe to the digest, make the
> command 'subscribe zendo-digest <email>'.
>
> maitri,
>
> --debora a. orf
> --dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
> "do not permit the events of your daily life to bind you, but never
> withdraw yourself from them"--Zen saying
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:01:50 -1000 (HST)
From: "Mark S. Waind" <GANDM.WAINDATnospamSYMPATICO.CA>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <199802021801.IAA16736ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
Dear People:
When you are replying to someone else's posting, how to you get your
response to re-post of the K-List along with being delivered to the
person you are responding to?
Also, when you are posting to the list in general, how do you place
a title in the subject section?
Just wondering,
Sincerely,
Mark
Ge Da
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:38:17 EST
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Zehra said:
("Also, has anyone experienced a compulsion to view a digital clock at the
exact time of 11:11 ??? This phenomenon began after the ear ringing
episodes. It's occurring on a daily basis; no matter what I'm doing I turn
like a robot to view the time at 11:11 also on occasion at 1:11 and 7:11. A
few have said this is a sacred or master number. Comments anyone? ")
I have been viewing the clock every night between 3:00am and 3:59am for the
last two or three months. I have shared this with friends and relatives and
some of them had too. I have no idea what it means. But when I wake up between
those hours, I feel the presence of an etheric being in my room.
L & L,
Thaimi
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:53:32 -0800
From: jocelyn.duquetteATnospamexgate.tek.com
To: hlutharATnospambryant.edu, dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Zendo Listserve
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Is there anyone who would know someone with whom I could work to receive
Shaktipat. I live around Portland Oregon.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harsh Luthar [SMTP:hlutharATnospambryant.edu]
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 1998 9:43 AM
> To: Debora A. Orf
> Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
> Subject: Re: Zendo Listserve
>
> Debora,
> How did the 21 hours a day meditation retreat go? Any Satori
> experiences
> to report?!
> Harsha
>
> Debora A. Orf wrote:
>
> > hi,
> >
> > Shameless plug for my own discussion list. Its on the practise of
> Zen
> > Buddhism. i've been running it now for a few years. It is not
> academic in
> > nature, but practise-oriented.
> >
> > Anyone is welcome to join! send email to 'majordomoATnospammail.win.org'
> and in
> > the body of the message say 'subscribe zendo <email>' where the word
> email
> > is replaced with your email address. To subscribe to the digest,
> make the
> > command 'subscribe zendo-digest <email>'.
> >
> > maitri,
> >
> > --debora a. orf
> > --dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
> > "do not permit the events of your daily life to bind you, but never
> > withdraw yourself from them"--Zen saying
>
>
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:05:38 -0500
From: nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: 11:11 thing and ear ringing
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Freda
You aren't crazy. That is what I call synchronicity. It's like orchestra
music and all the instruments, rhythms, sounds all fit together for a
beautiful piece of art work in motion.
Mary
Resonance is a very good word. I have often wondered if the tones work
like sonar works for the whales. Maybe that is why whales beached
themselves on the shores, because their sonar gets out of wack. And I also
have a question: Does radar have a sound that it vibrates to?
Linda
I'm left hand, but I don't know if that makes any difference. It's a
rather recent thing that has started, but I always look at the clock too.
Again the numerology thing. Sometimes it's loud, sometimes soft, so I am
not sure just yet if it there is a correlation between the strength of the
sound and which ear it's in. I have just begun to notice the environment
inside and outside to see if anything catches my attention and then go from
there. Intuit mostly. I have not figured if there are positive or
negative qualities to the ringing sounds, they seem equal at this point. I
have just recently started cataloging the sounds to the ears and the
messages I get, so that I can see for myself if there is in fact a type of
code that goes along with it.
It is a curiosity to me, so I am waiting to see the results. I will let
you know what I find out.
Love and light,
Sherry
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 22:04:35 -0600
From: Glenn Bailey <glennbobATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: KUNDALINI-LATnospamexecpc.com
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I find the recent dialogue on "don't care" very relevant to my current
experience of Kundalini, which began spontaneously about 13 months ago.
This is my current philosophy (it is rapidly evolving to try and keep up
with my experiences)on Kundalini and integrating it into my life.
To me, "don't care" means "Trust without Resisting and Allow without
Trying"
If we don't trust, and resist, we disconnect with the experience and the
confusion associated with these new experiences leading to unresolved
issues and no integration.
If we try too hard and push, we replace our awareness with hope and
effort.
In either case we lose touch with the IS/God/Goddess/etc.
If we don't care, and trust it, don't push it, but are aware and
accepting of it, and open ourselves to reexamining our current way of
looking at life, love, work, relationships, joy, sadness, fear etc.,
then we let K/the IS/God/Whatever shape our lives, and manifest it on a
physical, emotional, and character level, and are then able to share it
with others.
My highest experiences with K are those involving little effort where I
truly don't care what happens next. No brake, no accelerator.
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Gloria Lee here..This just popped into my email from elsewhere..try to
look at the "don't care" this way.. for another perspective..sometimes
we just get too caught up in the "efforting" of our search and presume
that it is all up to us to discover the way ..and then when you stop
trying so hard ...you are free to notice what is always there??? As in
the journey IS the destination..so the less attention you pay to what
you THINK is supposed to be the desired outcome..the more free you are
to just allow spontaneous awareness and see you are already in the Tao..
the Tao has you. (Harsha could explain this much better, but he knows
better than to try..)
>
>Hi!
>
>I have a thought.
>
>If you're searching for Tao, it is hiding,
>If you don't care it is just behind you.
>
>You won't reach the Tao in a search.
>You won't free from Tao in a denial.
>
>Your development is in progress, but you can oversee it's processing.
>
>You are moving, but not in the way you expect.
>
>Andrzej.
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:26:04 -0600
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Subject: [Fwd:re:"don't care"] >>> "Trust, Don't Resist and Allow, Don't Try"
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I find the recent dialogue on "don't care" very relevant to my current
experience of Kundalini, which began spontaneously about 13 months ago.
This is my current philosophy (it is rapidly evolving to try and keep up
with my experiences)on Kundalini and integrating it into my life.
To me, "don't care" means "Trust without Resisting and Allow without
Trying"
If we don't trust, and resist, we disconnect with the experience and the
confusion associated with these new experiences leading to unresolved
issues and no integration.
If we try too hard and push, we replace our awareness with hope and
effort.
In either case we lose touch with the IS/God/Goddess/etc.
If we don't care, and trust it, don't push it, but are aware and
accepting of it, and open ourselves to reexamining our current way of
looking at life, love, work, relationships, joy, sadness, fear etc.,
then we let K/the IS/God/Whatever shape our lives, and manifest it on a
physical, emotional, and character level, and are then able to share it
with others.
My highest experiences with K are those involving little effort where I
truly don't care what happens next. No brake, no accelerator.
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Gloria Lee here..This just popped into my email from elsewhere..try to
look at the "don't care" this way.. for another perspective..sometimes
we just get too caught up in the "efforting" of our search and presume
that it is all up to us to discover the way ..and then when you stop
trying so hard ...you are free to notice what is always there??? As in
the journey IS the destination..so the less attention you pay to what
you THINK is supposed to be the desired outcome..the more free you are
to just allow spontaneous awareness and see you are already in the Tao..
the Tao has you. (Harsha could explain this much better, but he knows
better than to try..)
>
>Hi!
>
>I have a thought.
>
>If you're searching for Tao, it is hiding,
>If you don't care it is just behind you.
>
>You won't reach the Tao in a search.
>You won't free from Tao in a denial.
>
>Your development is in progress, but you can oversee it's processing.
>
>You are moving, but not in the way you expect.
>
>Andrzej.
>
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