1998/01/31 13:30
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #89
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 89
Today's Topics:
Re: Desire----was Fear [ Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.co ]
strange things happening [ nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net> ]
Mystress needs help!! [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
RE: Vegetarians [ st <jtstATnospambsl1.bslnet.com> ]
RE: Ear Ringing and 11:11 Time [ st <jtstATnospambsl1.bslnet.com> ]
RE: Ear Ringing and 11:11 Time [ M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> ]
Re: Desire----was Fear [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Help! [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
teaching of the trees [ Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demo ]
Re: Desire----was Fear [ nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net> ]
RE: Ear Ringing and 11:11 Time [ nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net> ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Rahul Nandan <gauravATnospamlw1.vsnl.net.i ]
Re: teaching of the trees [ PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com ]
Re: teaching of the trees [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ]
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:28:34 +0000
From: Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Desire----was Fear
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At 18:10 29/01/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Greetings David and All
>
>>David Bozzi wrote:
>>>>You want to know if thought precedes desire? Let's say Desire always is.
>>It is an aspects of Us. In truth, the way we are created is with this
>infinite desire forever fulfilled.>
>
>Everywhere I turn it seems that desire gets a bad wrap.
Yup. Desire, like 'ego', 'thinking' and even - yikes! - striving, are all
bad, bad words in the New Age, and *everyone* knows cool, enlightened
people don't do any of that stuff. :)
> I think the desire to know God is something we are born with, some people
>pursue this and some people don't. I perceive this has a HOLY aspect of
>our being. And also I don't see this desire as being something that is a
>feeling of lack in me, but rather, desire to be more loving and closer to
>God. But then, maybe I'm wrong.
I think it varies. Some desires cause trouble, some are worthwhile. For
some people desiring God is a trip to never-never land that they never get
back from. You talk to these people and it's obvious no one's really home.
They know the *theory* of being a little baby godling, but that's kind of it.
Others sparkle shamelessly with the divine while cleaning the toilet and
taking out the garbage, or propping up a bar in a seedy part of town.
So with desires, I don't think you can't even tell which is which till
later - not until after life has pulled you into yet another interesting
and unexpected place and shown you things about yourself you hadn't
suspected before.
Balance is useful... And so is lack of balance. Sometimes. :)
Ordinary, unevolved humanity is a scary thing but if we're honest I suspect
it's where most of us spend our time. Personally I'm trying to love all my
bits including the not-so-very-spiritual ones, and not just the ones that
make like someone's idea of how evolution and enlightenment should be.
Haven't got there yet, of course - but I am sleeping better than I used to,
and worrying less about whether God/dess still likes me when I (allegedly)
mess up. :)
R.
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:56:47 -0500
From: nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: strange things happening
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Matija,
Have you tried meditating without pot? The paranoia, panic, sadness and
depression can be caused by the pot or it might be just the lack of
understanding of your body awakening to the new energy level. If you get
a chance to read Barbara Ann Brennen's book on Hands of Light. She
describes the various energy areas (chakras) of the body and how it is
effected by drug use and various imbalances of energy. Clouding of the
aura and energy fields is quite common to drug use. Which may also inhibit
your body from utilizing the energy in a balance way.
>From what I understand, there are still tribes today which still use it as
a part of spiritual rituals. But there is a difference in using it in a
spiritual practice and abuse. The mind set is totally different. And the
reason is not to just get high for sake of having a good time.
Please understand, I am not say that you are not a spiritual person, just
because you like to smoke pot. I am also not saying that you cannot have
spiritual experiences while smoking pot, many people do and many have over
the centuries. But like anything else in life, "too much of a good thing
can be bad for you" : -)
Love and Light,
Sherry
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:53:00
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, ks-listATnospamnbn.com, stardancersATnospamnewciv.org
Cc: ASala10626ATnospamaol.com
Subject: Mystress needs help!!
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Hello, my friends:
I am in a quandary, and I need your help. Please, Just an email's worth..
On Monday, at 10am, I face a judicial hearing in Seattle, to try to
prove to a US immigration judge that I am not an illegal alien, prostitute,
purveyor of vices.. I am not interested in working or living in the USA..
I love Vancouver.. but I have met some very wonderful people in the US,
thru my time spent online, whom I sure would like to be able to visit. But
to do that, I must clear my name against the accusations of a border guard.
Last time I tried, (dec. 96) I ended up with this hearing.
One of the pieces of evidence that they show as proof of my intention to
work in the USA, from last year when I wanted to visit some list friends in
California, was the laptop computer I had with me.
My purpose in bringing a computer on my vacation/visionquest was to keep
up with the lists, my spiritual committments.. not with my pro Domination
business.
I spend much of my days and nights online, expressing myself thru spirit
and helping folks who ask me, with their stuff... what I love to do, best.
I know that I have helped a lot of folks over the years, coz they have told
me so.. and I feel blessed to be able to do it. Spirit, and cyberspace, are
both intangible things. How to prove it in court?
Only thru you folks, and your charitable assistance. If we can present a
stack of emails from folks all over that say my online prescence has helped
them with thier life in some way, at no charge.. then we have a physical
representation of my cyberspace prescence. The more, the better..
So I am asking: If my online presence, sharing or advice, has improved
your wellbeing in some way, will you please tell my lawyer, so he can tell
the judge?
(Also a copy to me, just for backup)
Please do not send these posts to the lists, (Don't hit reply) ..as I do
not wish to burden list traffic with my messy stuff in this way, any more
than necessary. But.. big govenment and beaurocracy really scares me, and I
am looking for all the help I can get!
Do not be concerned about getting involved in the case, I think it is
most unlikely anyone would be investigated. I do not plan to pursue this
issue past this coming hearing, it is too hard on my emotions and my
resources. If Goddess wants me to stay out of the US, I'll accept what
comes of it. But, I am interested in clearing my name, with this hearing,
if I can.
If you can put in a good word for me, please send an email to
<ASala10626ATnospamaol.com, mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Thankyou. Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
-- Harry Emerson Fosdick
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:57:53 -0700 (MST)
From: st <jtstATnospambsl1.bslnet.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Vegetarians
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RE: the topic on vegetarian diets, I, too, suffered from the same symptoms.
I had been a vegetarian for over 30 yrs. I carefully watched my protein
intake (legumes, yogurt, etc.) and took B12 and various vitamins. But when I
began channeling I noticed a craving for protein. Much to my dismay, since I
love animals, I felt the need to eat poultry and fish. My blood tests were
all within the normal range but I began to feel intensely fatigued.
Today: I work-out at the gym daily, including Nautilus; astral travel 9-10
hrs. per night, channel, and maintain a healthy diet. My energy level has
returned and I'm feeling fit. After all this, I still hold on to my beliefs
that vegetarianism is a positive health choice, but for long durations such
as mine one might need adjustments. Who knows? I might return to a vegan
diet later as I detest the sight of raw meat and greasy pans. Yuck!
I'm thinking about having hair analysis; it might prove more accurate.
In Light!
Zehra
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:06:59 -0700 (MST)
From: st <jtstATnospambsl1.bslnet.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Ear Ringing and 11:11 Time
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RE: ear ringing -- since my K clearing began, I've had an unusual
ringing only in my left ear. Before any type of mystical or channeling
experiences, it becomes louder, as if a signal.
Also, has anyone experienced a compulsion to view a digital clock at the
exact time of 11:11 ??? This phenomenon began after the ear ringing
episodes. It's occurring on a daily basis; no matter what I'm doing I turn
like a robot to view the time at 11:11 also on occasion at 1:11 and 7:11. A
few have said this is a sacred or master number. Comments anyone?
In Light,
Zehra
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:56:03 -0800 (PST)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: st <jtstATnospambsl1.bslnet.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Ear Ringing and 11:11 Time
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At 08:06 PM 1/30/98 -0700, st wrote:
>RE: ear ringing -- since my K clearing began, I've had an unusual
>ringing only in my left ear. Before any type of mystical or channeling
>experiences, it becomes louder, as if a signal.
>Also, has anyone experienced a compulsion to view a digital clock at the
>exact time of 11:11 ??? This phenomenon began after the ear ringing
>episodes. It's occurring on a daily basis; no matter what I'm doing I turn
>like a robot to view the time at 11:11 also on occasion at 1:11 and 7:11. A
>few have said this is a sacred or master number. Comments anyone?
Some things I have discovered about ear ringing: it is possible there is a
salicilic acid connection...we vegetarians can get too much of that - it's
in the skins of most veggies. Someone pointed me to a list. I'll dig up
the url when I can if there is interest.
EMF's figure in also. I moved my phone from next to my bed. and, it
seemed that playing music or having other noise going on was a type of
entrainment for me. Immobilizing myself in a position that brought about
silence helped much more. Two hours of stillness (reading) would get me
about another hour's relief during which I could move around, etc.
Thanks everyone for your support during my dark hours last weekend. I am
much better...especially if I am careful with eating and if I don't compute
(I really don't any more --- metaphorically speaking) or watch tv.
Re: clock compulsions: for me it is 22 (my birth day and always a fav
number). It is EVERYWHERE for me...clocks, of course, expiration dates,
times listed on e-mail, inspection # on boxes, odometer readings, grocery
receipt totals, etc. etc. Such fun for a Gemini...I feel like the universe
is winking at me when 22 pops up again and again.
And, I must say I am Glad to be back...even briefly...and wanted to say
thank you all- over and over again,
M
M
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:34:49 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Desire----was Fear
Message-ID: <34D2A9E9.7013ATnospammail.snet.net>
Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> passion Is.. we apply it to different things,
> but it is a part of us that comes from under conscious thought.
> Like the cosmic loneliness that makes us reach for love.
> It is a part of our innate
> being. Unfufillment is part of the illusion. To make us reach for more.
Can we have awareness of desire without projection?
Is this even possible?
Then it's integrated if it is. The experience of a split between desire
and some object of desire is dissipated. Irrelevant. And rightly so.
Desire becomes focused on Itself.
Self Love?
Just another way of saying fulfillment.
This I propose is our natural state of being.
(but I don't know)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:00:49 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: gwen smythe <gsmtheATnospamyahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Help!
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Jen (gwen smythe <gsmtheATnospamyahoo.com>) wrote:
>I'm new to the list and I am presently going through a kundalini
>experience. I was wondering what to do or
>who I could speak with? Also are there any exercises I could do to
>help deal with all this energy more safely or things I should be
>watching out for?
Hi Jen:
So many different kinds of things can happen with kundalini experience that
we really need to know exactly what is happening to you before we can give
good advice.
You can write to the list and get answers from a number of people, or you
can pick a name or two and write privately.
But don't be afraid that we'll think your experience is weird or shocking -
we've probably heard it all, a number of times!
Love,
Ann
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:23:40 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: teaching of the trees
Message-ID: <4OerpDB8p66zEwjUATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
The teaching of the trees
trees give to one and all regardless of who you are and what you have
done while drawing on the universal life force for sustenance
this is the teaching of the trees
love
Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:27:06 -0500
From: nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Desire----was Fear
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Richard and All
Sherry wrote:
>> I think the desire to know God is something we are born with, some people
>>pursue this and some people don't. I perceive this has a HOLY aspect of
>>our being. And also I don't see this desire as being something that is a
>>feeling of lack in me, but rather, desire to be more loving and closer to
>>God. But then, maybe I'm wrong.
Richard wrote:
>Others sparkle shamelessly with the divine while cleaning the toilet and
>taking out the garbage, or propping up a bar in a seedy part of town. So
with >desires, I don't think you can even tell which is which till later -
not until after >life has pulled you into yet another interesting and
unexpected place and >shown you things about yourself you hadn't suspected
before.
Yep, I hear that. Sometimes I startle myself when I see an aspect of
myself I had not seen before and wonder why I never noticed it until a
particular situation arises. We sometimes find a curiosity about things we
have not experienced before and often learn a needed lesson.
>
>Ordinary, unevolved humanity is a scary thing but if we're honest I suspect
>it's where most of us spend our time. Personally I'm trying to love all my
>bits including the not-so-very-spiritual ones, and not just the ones that
>make like someone's idea of how evolution and enlightenment should be.
Loving the parts of me that seem not so spiritual, is where I am at now. I
suppose some people call it a mid-life crisis thing. With a tendency to
over examine the not so good parts of me, rather than focusing on the good
parts of me. I tell myself intellectually that it does no good to worry
about it. Yet, there is a certain sadness that sort of goes with it. A
questioning of why I made some of the choices I made. Knowing full well
that I can't change it. But still trying to do things the best I know how,
in the here and now.
Richard wrote:
>Haven't got there yet, of course - but I am sleeping better than I used to,
>and worrying less about whether God/dess still likes me when I (allegedly)
>mess up. :)
Sherry replied:
And perhaps there is a certain fear that we also have, that if we mess up
too much, that God won't like us very much or will take away that love
which we desire so much. I just keep reminding myself that God loves me
unconditionally and say it like a mantra when I am feeling particularly
down on myself.
Love and Light,
Sherry
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:49:35 -0500
From: nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Ear Ringing and 11:11 Time
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Dear St and M,
The ear ringing thing happens at various times of the day. Sometimes the
left ear and sometimes the right. I have not been able to discern the
difference between the two, it there is any significance.
St wrote:
>> It's occurring on a daily basis; no matter what I'm doing I turn
>>like a robot to view the time at 11:11 also on occasion at 1:11 and 7:11. A
>>few have said this is a sacred or master number. Comments anyone?
Sherry replies:
Yes, in numerology the number 11 is considered a master number. But like
all numbers, has the potential for positive or negative qualities. My
personal experience with this number is that it represents a paradox, a
unique union of opposites. Sort of like standing between to poles and
having to choose between light and dark, male and female, good and evil
etc, etc. My name and birthday totals are both 11. I consider myself as
having a bent toward the mystical side of life, but function quite well as
a number 2, working in cooperation with other people. I very much feel a
need to be of service to other people and lucky for me, I found that
calling early in life.
M wrote:
>EMF's figure in also.
The ear ringing thing, I look at as sort of a head game with myself. What
I usually find is that it leads to some sort of synchronicity type event
during the day. Some really interesting event usually plays out that has
a direct correlation to the sound I hear. Since I don't know or understand
where the sound is coming from in my head, I don't pay a major amount of
attention to it, I just notice it, see what it says to me and then go on.
It usually only lasts for a few seconds and then stops, but its seems to be
the same predominant tone. Just sometimes its louder than at other times
and alternates between left and right ear, but I don't understand the
reasoning, other than perhaps the source of the sound may come from
different places. For example: when my tv is warming up, it makes this
horrible high pitch sound that just makes me nuts, but nobody seems to hear
it but me, or the microwave sometimes makes me wince, and the hum of some
lights gets on my nerves, but those sounds are different than the tone I
hear in my head. I don't know where that originates.
M says:
>Re: clock compulsions: for me it is 22 (my birth day and always a fav
>number). It is EVERYWHERE for me...clocks, of course, expiration dates,
>times listed on e-mail, inspection # on boxes, odometer readings, grocery
>receipt totals, etc. etc. Such fun for a Gemini...I feel like the universe
>is winking at me when 22 pops up again and again.
In addition to the things you mention above, the numbers on my check stubs,
numbers that come in on the mail address labels, license plates, numbers on
logos, and I always am disappointed if they don't give me a receipt at the
drive up window at my favorite drive-in restaurant. (ggg)
Colors are also a trigger for some humorous situations, some pleasant
memories and sometimes not so pleasant. But such is the way of life.
Love and Light,
Sherry
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 05:36:21 -1000 (HST)
From: Rahul Nandan <gauravATnospamlw1.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <199801311536.FAA20517ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
Kundalini is a process which transforms your physiological energy into psychic energy.In other words your psychic abilities develop at the cost of physical energy.This transformation involves continuous adjustment with the developing mental horizon.The process once started is continuous and never ending.One may think that it is beyond his control and is left at it's mercy.Such a state requires correct guidance.I would elaborate on it on hearing from your experiences bye.
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:19:17 EST
From: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
To: yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: teaching of the trees
Message-ID: <ca40a9fe.34d37937ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-31 07:26:19 EST, you write:
<< trees give to one and all regardless of who you are and what you have
done while drawing on the universal life force for sustenance
this is the teaching of the trees >>
I was so pleased to see a long-awaited post from Yogi Tom, whose words were so
valuable to me during the early months of my kundalini rising. I will
substitute the word "trees" in the above quote for "enlightened ones."
Peg
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:12:15 -0800
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: teaching of the trees
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Welcome home Tom. So glad you're back and posting again.
love dor
At 12:23 AM 8/9/97 +0100, Tom Aston wrote:
>
>The teaching of the trees
>
>trees give to one and all regardless of who you are and what you have
>done while drawing on the universal life force for sustenance
>
>this is the teaching of the trees
>
>love
>
>Yogi Tom
>--
>Tom Aston
>
>
>
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