1998/01/26 12:20
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #82
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 82
Today's Topics:
RE: Deja Vu, a glimpse into the futu [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
Holographic connection [ "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> ]
Logic Is a Fishbowl [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Subliminal messages [ acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: A splash before meditation [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
RE: Chakras was Urddhvareta [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
ears & eyes [ nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net> ]
fighting fear [ nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net> ]
Re: Logic Is a Fishbowl [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
re:What is God? [ FIute <FIuteATnospamprodigy.net> ]
re:What is God? [ "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it ]
Re: A splash before meditation [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
re:What is God? [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
troubles-help List Mistress [ chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Mau ]
Re: Holographic connection [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: Feeding the Serpent [ "danelle t" <danelletATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: Subliminal messages [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:22:57 +1100
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: "'Nancy'" <NancyATnospamwtp.net>, "'kundalini-1'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Deja Vu, a glimpse into the future
Message-ID: <01BD2A7F.2ADA3A80.d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu>
!On Wednesday, December 24, 1997 12:36 AM, Dieter Dambiec
[SMTP:d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au] wrote:
> On Monday, December 22, 1997 5:54 PM, Nancy [SMTP:NancyATnospamwtp.net] wrote:
> > I sometimes have the disjointed,
> > psychological cleansing dreams which you talked about. But Dieter, I am
> > now experiencing dreams which move beyond the "sensual" dreams. I
> > frequently recognize the energy of an event/person which is later
> > validated. This is happening in both sleeping and waking states.
I'm still inclined to think that these dreams are not true psychic or
premonition dreams (at least on the face of what you write).
When a person is in a deep slumber, there can arise in their sub-conscious mind
through dream a prognosis of a sizable calamity or some
good news or bad news. The all-knowing causal or unconscious
mind cannot give expression to its all-knowingness due to
the fickleness of the conscious and sub-conscious minds as
well as due to its own expressional inability, but it can
just as well awaken in the calm conscious and subconscious
minds of a person in deep slumber those visions and prognoses
of past, present or things to come, with which s/he may get
particularly entangled or overwhelmed.
This is the real psychid or premonition dream.
Also, the surging
vibrational flow, coming out of the fountain-head of the
unconscious mind that vibrates the sub-conscious mind, is
also a sort of dream and that dream is not devoid of
significance, for its causer is the all-knowing causal mind.
This seems to be your type of dreams
This we may call Supramental Vision.
Sometimes, even in the
wakeful state, too, the cognitive flow of the unconscious
mind makes its way into the subtle mind, as the result of
which a person even in a wakeful state can grasp and guess
events concerning their near and dear ones abroad with a
little concentration.
This we may call Telepathic Vision.
Through the concentrated state of this telepathic vision,
ie when the conscious mind is more calm and sedate, a person
can visualize events, concerning their distant beloved ones,
enacted before his/her eyes in the external world also or can
feel as seeing them.
This we may call Telepathic Clairvoyance.
Mistaking such acts as those of the spirits
many come to believe in spiritism or spiritology. Such
incidents have no connection at all with
spirits or ghosts.
Telepathic vision and telepathic
clairvoyance are intrinsically the same as the supramental
vision. Indeed they are begotten of the unconscious mind,
the knower of the universe, due to their having intuitive
feelings or inspirations from it.
The unconscious or rathe super conscious mind of all persons being intimately
connected with the Supreme Casual Mind, this phenonomenon naturally arises.
But to believe in ghosts and
spirits is nothing but carrying the catafalque of the
cowardly mentality of prehistoric people.
Note though, that in
comparison with supramental vision the incidence of
telepathic vision is very much less in evidence, still less
the occurrence of telepathic clairvoyance due to the
activeness of the conscious mind.
Nevertheless the supramental vision itself is not
appreciably noticeable more than 8 or 10 times in the life
of a person. Incidentally however it will be discreet to say
that their greater or lesser frequencies wholly depend on
one's intuitional practices or reactive
requitals/karma. One, however, must bear in mind that
self-acquired telepathy or self-acquired clairvoyance is
something different.
Even in supramental vision a person often
does not grasp things aright, for such cognitive waves
generally find expression through the media of his personal
reactions/samskaras of their karmic actions.
So to have the prescience of truth
through the medium of dream it is necessary for a person to have
a little more control over their conscious and sub-conscious
minds. Those that have brought both these minds under
control through spiritual practices can, with a little
effort, visualize pictures of past, present and future even
in their wakeful state. This account for the meditational
clairvoyance or intuitional foresight of the sages about
distant objects or events.
Some amount of power of
visualizing past, present, future or distant events may also
be found in an average person, looking through rock-crystal
(crystal gazing), finger-nail mirror, mirror-gazing etc.
These are nothing but expansion of the cognitive field due
to the conscious and sub-conscious minds being partially
absorbed in the unconscious mind as the result of
concentration of one's earnestness in a particular bright
object.
In the hypnotized condition or
planchette-concentration also the activities of the
conscious and sub-conscious minds getting stilled, the range
of a particular individual's knowledge gets a little
expanded at least for the duration of such a condition. But
then here one must very well bear in mind that one would see
in the hypnotized state or in the finger-nail-mirror or
mirror-gazing only the reflection of one's own karmic reactions (samskaras) or
previous bias. This happens
almost in all cases, that is to say the hypnotized
person goes on uttering words according to their own karmic propensities
(samskaras)
and the people look at him/her aghast with folded hands, taking
his/her utterances as absolute truth.
One or two per cent of their
predictions may even come true, on account of their mental
concentration to some extent. Such chance `truths' again are
not always the hints of the unconscious mind, for there is
nothing unnatural or unusual about one or two predictions,
out of many, coming true.
Lastly, the unicity
of the `sleep' is not a state of self-expansion
or absolute identity with the Divine Essence. So in general anything 'gained'
from it mentally has little value.
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:28:36 -0500
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com>
To: <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>, "anandajyoti" <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
Cc: "FRANCES G GRISSOM" <SMARTDOLPHINATnospamprodigy.net>,
"Ruth Trimble" <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
<heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Holographic connection
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Objective and subjective views of reality have found frequent expression on the
list. There has been no mention (to my recollection) of a third view that is
not one or the other -yet is both. The concept of “Oneness”, unity with
Supreme Consciousness, and the like, seems to require such a view, since being
objective (or subjective) by itself is only partial and dualistic.
It would seem that the great difficulty in achieving the state of Oneness rests
on the lack of such perspective. It has made me wonder if some latent ability
is waiting to be evolved and what such perception might be called.
Occasionally I have experienced something like this in meditation with eyes
opened. As I explore various objects in that mind/state I seem to observe an
(etheric?) energy field surrounding the object and began calling the experience
“etheric vision”.
At the same time my understanding of reality has integrated this etheric vision
as my personal connection to the “Holographic Universe”.
Does anyone have such an understanding?
Ed.
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:11:06 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: HeartZen <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Logic Is a Fishbowl
Message-ID: <34CC370A.7D04ATnospammail.snet.net>
Logic Is a Fishbowl
Deja vu.
Another pass.
Logic is a fish bowl.
I want to swim.
In the ocean.
Of my heart.
But it is so deep.
That I might drown.
I approach the edge.
With the seriousness.
Of a high diver.
Just laugh.
Don't look down.
There's nowhere to fall.
(clown).
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:21:23 -0500
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
CC: Cathy Sledjeski <lightwalkerATnospamwebtv.net>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Subliminal messages
Message-ID: <34CC3973.BA4D1346ATnospamconcentric.net>
Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> When the listening gets better, you don't even need to have the T.V.
> on..
> there are only so many stories, different charachters, and they are
> all
> usually about love and death. You have thousands of stories in your
> mind,
> your personal library of film and Video, books and memories for
> Goddess
> insight messages to draw on.
Beautiful... A simple sound moves so much in us. The images are there in
us to change that sound into images... to change that sound our ear ears
into physical sensation, and why not into taste and smells and who knows
what other senses we have. All we have to do is listen. And the story or
dream of life goes on.--
May the God of light grant to us sight! May the heavenly peaks grant to
us sight! May God the creator grant to us sight! Give sight to our eyes
and sight to our bodies that we may see. May we see the world at a
single glance and in all its details.
Rig Veda 10.158.3-4, Vedic Experience p. 340-341
Love
Antoine
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:16:55 +1100 (EDT)
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: A splash before meditation
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On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Dieter Dambiec wrote:
> Just a little practice to calm the mind before meditation.
>
> Splash water in the eyes (open) say 12 times - excellent for vitality.
>
> Pass water up the nostrils so as to let it go out of the mouth, ie don't
> swallow and don't choke:). Gets easy after a while. do 3 times.
> Excellent for cleaning the nose and clear breathing and maintaining
> harmony between left and right nostril.
>
> put water in mouth and rub tongue with middle finger (right hand
> seems easier) to clean tongue - could use tongue cleaner also. I also find
> it useful to clean teeth quickly before meditation as bits in between the
> teeth seem to bother.
>
> splash water behind both ears to cool down back of head
>
> splash water behind neck also
>
> Splash water from elbows downward and from knees downwards - quite
> relaxing and make the knees supple and easier to sit.
>
> Splash water in genital areas to cool down (eg someone told me in France
> this is common after going to toilet and indeed is very healthy practice
> to ensure all wastes are expelled - quite interesting how much urine
> remains which should be thoroughly expelled and which gets expelled by
> water over that area - try it and see).
>
> ----
>
> This also quite good before sleep, upon waking and anytime on a hot day.
>
> dieter
>
> PS try it for a 2 weeks and notice the difference - I'd be interested in
> empirical fact finding evidence
>
>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:18:49 +1100 (EDT)
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
cc: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Chakras was Urddhvareta
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On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Dieter Dambiec wrote:
> Why the 1,000 petalled lotus?
>
> In a previous post reference was made to the various chakras and
> associated propensities which were in all 50 in number.
>
> Propensities are of two kinds :
> introversal propensities and extroversal propensities.
>
> In the case of introversal propensities, the mind moves towards
> spiritual desires/realisation, or psycho-spiritual or even just developed
> psychic/mental wants.
> While the flow of the mind is in this way, the ultimate goal is towards
> the
> spiritual. The subtler the desire or food of the mind, the greater is the
> elevation of the propensities, as they move towards subtler
> realms.
>
> In the case of extroversal propensities, the
> movement of mind is towards crude needs, physical needs or base/basic
> psychic/mental wants, psycho-physical needs - this is the type of 'food'
> the mind seeks. And the mind or psycho-physical body (where pysche
> associates with body only) moves through different channels
> in this sort of way.
>
> So propensities mean not only physical
> or psychophysical propensities, but also psychic and
> psycho-spiritual propensities - both external and internal propensities.
>
> But in realm of spirituality, there are no propensities. In the
> case of microcosmic mind (unit mind) there are both extroversal and
> introversal
> propensities. But in the case of the Supreme
> Macrocosm, there are only introversal ones, no extroversal
> propensities. This is only because everything is within the thought of the
> Cosmic Consciousness.
>
> In the case of both microcosm, there are many propensities, but they come
> mainly under
> fifty groups (ie propensities associated with the chakras and physically
> with various glands),
> and all of these fifty groups have both
> introversal and extroversal movements. So fifty is
> multiplied by two : (fifty introversal and fifty
> extroversal propensities) = one hundred.
>
> And since there are 10 organs (5 motor and 5 sensory), then multiply by
> 10 again.
> Thus it is said that the propensities (or emanations,
> manifestations, or flows of propensities) are one thousand
> in number, and they are all controlled by the
> multi-propensive plexus of the human body. And the
> controlling point of this plexus, when pinnacled, touches
> the Supreme. That state is the state of perfect psychic
> equilibrium and equipoise.
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:59:30 -0500
From: nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: ears & eyes
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So what would it mean if someone had one far-sighted eye and one
near-sighted eye?
still here,
amckeon
--------------------
Correct me if I am wrong, eye think you would have blurry vision.
sherry
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:59:37 -0500
From: nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: fighting fear
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Dear Yu,
>In Tibetan Mahamudra Yoga, personal negative feeling is used for training to
reach the truth. There are four steps in Mahamudra Yoga:
1, Concentration Yoga, concentrate on holy one brightness.
2, No Dream Yoga, be away from holy one, don't be too concentrate on it.
3, Holy One Yoga, at this step, feel the force of holy one is inside
everything, good or bad, positive or negative...
>Teachers even stimulate the negative feelings in their students, let them
know
the force of holy one is behind anything.
When you get these negative feelings, don't try to get rid of them, nor to
establish them; don't follow them, don't be fear; relax on the emptiness of
holy one which is behind these negative feelings. It is said super-natural
abilities can be obtained at this step.
>4, No training Yoga, no more training needed, just pratise what you've
learned.
------------------------------------
Sherry replies:
Step 3 seems to be a difficult one for me. I have tried getting rid of
negative thoughts, and even running from them. But I find that those areas
seem to continue to come back to me. Since I have only obtained hightened
awareness in the last 12 to 18 months, I find that some of the most trivial
things can send me into a panic, or make me feel fearful. I know that this
is due to lack of understanding of what I am perceiving and seeing on a
physical level.
These areas of fear, seem to have to do with physical safety. I believe
with all of my heart, that when I die my soul goes to God. So I am not
afraid of death. Yet, living in a physical world, I do know that there are
people out there who do not have good intentions toward others and do want
to do them harm. While in theory, I can understand that all things are
connected and all things come from our Creator, my very large ego wants to
keep this body alive and protected from harm. My life is of value to me
in that I believe that it is the Temple of the Soul.
Even a Temple can be destroyed.
Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.
Love and Light,
Sherry
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:29:56 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
CC: HeartZen <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>,
Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Logic Is a Fishbowl
Message-ID: <34CC9DE3.69413C25ATnospambryant.edu>
David Bozzi wrote:
> I want to swim.
> In the ocean.
> Of my heart.
> But it is so deep.
> That I might drown.
>
Harsha writes: Yes. The "I" will drown in the Heart and the Heart
will be Recognized as The Self which is Complete and without any longing
what so ever.
> David writes:
> I approach the edge.
> With the seriousness.
> Of a high diver.
>
Harsha writes: Don't be too serious, you may not take the plunge.. Just
like you Fall in Love, You Fall in the Heart; you just have to get close
and the Heart will pull you in.
> David:
> Just laugh.
> Don't look down.
> There's nowhere to fall.
> (clown).
Harsha writes: No where to fall, except in the Self. It is where you
have Always Been.
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:34:51 -0600
From: FIute <FIuteATnospamprodigy.net>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: re:What is God?
Message-ID: <34CC9F0B.26ADATnospamprodigy.net>
The problem in defining God is that we are human and have no real
concept of God outside of our limited thinking. So I believe we just
have to say.. God Is. Only God can define who he is and that thought
process seems to be beyond man's ability. So we learn a bit at a time
and reach upward for new definations to compliment our reality as it is
at the particular time we are doing the logical thought process. As the
next moment changes, we find, we are re defining what we already had
given a catagory or name..
Love and Laughter,
flute
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:59:45 +0100
From: "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it>
To: FIuteATnospamprodigy.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re:What is God?
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----Flute wrote---
>The problem in defining God is that we are human and have no real
>concept of God outside of our limited thinking. So I believe we just
>have to say.. God Is. Only God can define who he is and that thought
>process seems to be beyond man's ability. So we learn a bit at a time
>and reach upward for new definations to compliment our reality as it is
>at the particular time we are doing the logical thought process. As the
>next moment changes, we find, we are re defining what we already had
>given a catagory or name..
>Love and Laughter,
>flute
Dear Flute,
This is very well put. God is Infinite, God is Existence, God is Bliss.
There is a story told by Sri Ramkrishna Paramhansa about a little doll made
of salt
who wanted to measure the vastness of the ocean. When the doll stepped into
the water
it got disolved and mixed completely with the vast ocean. At that time it
did get to know
the vastness of the Infinite ocean, but, unfortunately could not come back
to tell the
story.
So with consciousness of God. When God is "seen", it is through spiritual
eyes and
ears and not the normal human eyes and ears, and so the experience cannot
be told.
This consciousness is "God consciousness" ot "Christ consciousness" or
"Krishna
consciousness" as different persons might put it. For devotees this is also
called the
"mahanubhava", the great experience.
However, God defies denifition and as Flute has put it very well, our
attempts to define
and re-define God will continue. So we will have new religions and
re-furnishing of old
ones and this process will continue.
To come to an even lower plane, there are few people in the world who have
seen the
wonderous sky of aura borealis at the poles. The describe it as a sight of
a lifetime.
For those who have not seen it, we can only imagine, but cannot actually
experience.
People who have not been the US could only vaguely imagine what Grand
Canyon
of the Niagra could look like. Nothing can replace experience. Even normal
human
experiences are difficult to communicate. God is another matter altogether
!....
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:07:58 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
CC: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: A splash before meditation
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Dieter Dambiec wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Dieter Dambiec wrote:
>
> > Just a little practice to calm the mind before meditation.
> >
> > Splash water in the eyes
> >
> > Pass water up the nostrils
> >
> > put water in mouth and rub tongue with middle finger (right hand
> > seems easier) to clean tongue -
> > splash water behind both ears to cool down back of head
> >
> > splash water behind neck also
> >
Dieter!
I have been practicing , cleaning the nose (Dhauti) , Cleaning teeth and mouth
and tongue, and taking a warm shower before meditation and also before going to
bed at night. for the last 40 years. It not only aids the meditation, as
distracting body effects without cleansing, but also allows one to be very
concentrated in whatever you do , be it meditation or anything else, in a very
short time.
Once one gets into the habit, it becomes so much easier to meditate.
Al these processes of outer cleansing also allows the mind to be calmer and
balanced, with the circulation in the at its prime level.
In India , most people so inclined do it religiously and has been going on for
centuries. Even cleansing the intestines once a month has been found very
helpful to strengthen the body's immune system. This also I practice regularly
and have found energizing effects on the body and the mind.
Anandajyoti
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:23:46 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: FIuteATnospamprodigy.net
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re:What is God?
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>
>The problem in defining God is that we are human and have no real
>concept of God outside of our limited thinking. So I believe we just
>have to say.. God Is. Only God can define who he is and that thought
>process seems to be beyond man's ability. So we learn a bit at a time
>and reach upward for new definations to compliment our reality as it is
>at the particular time we are doing the logical thought process. As
the
>next moment changes, we find, we are re defining what we already had
>given a catagory or name..
>Love and Laughter,
>flute
>
>
WELCOME BACK, FLUTE!!!
Your "dancing on the stars" energy can be felt here. Perhaps to define
God as Love does not seem to explain much, but it is the step beyond our
logical thought process that makes such thought unnecessary. Such
experience of the ineffable is indeed hard to describe, but it is the
universal response to being so loved that is possible to be experienced
in the moment and then that "Love transforms all" experience creates in
us...all we long to know and share. I know you know this, just wondering
why you got off on this logical mind track... smiles, Gloria Lee
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:55:12 -0500
From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: troubles-help List Mistress
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I don't seem to be on the list anymore. Only receiving personal replys. Also
can't seem to get back on.
I do live in the ice storm area.
Anyone else experiencing the same problem?
Thanks,
Mo
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:58:54 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: eeaATnospamaug.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Holographic connection
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>Objective and subjective views of reality have found frequent
expression =
>on the
>list. There has been no mention (to my recollection) of a third view
tha=
>t is
>not one or the other -yet is both. The concept of =93Oneness=94, unity
w=
>ith
>Supreme Consciousness, and the like, seems to require such a view,
since =
>being
>objective (or subjective) by itself is only partial and dualistic.=20
><snip>
>opened. As I explore various objects in that mind/state I seem to
observ=
>e an
>(etheric?) energy field surrounding the object and began calling the
expe=
>rience
>=93etheric vision=94.=20
>
>At the same time my understanding of reality has integrated this
etheric =
>vision
>as my personal connection to the =93Holographic Universe=94.=20
>
>Does anyone have such an understanding?
> =20
>Ed.
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>
FYI..there is a good book out.."The Holographic Universe" by Michael
Talbot..for anyone wanting a more detailed explanation of how reality
and also the human brain function as holograms. It sounds like you are
seeing the etheric realm, Ed. Thanks for pointing out how the objective
vs. subjective is just another version of the dualism. However, your
current subjective experience of seeing *ethericaly* is a good example
of the difficulty of sharing this knowledge more objectively with
others. Until they also gain that experience, how are they to believe
you??
Gloria Lee
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:14:41 PST
From: "danelle t" <danelletATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Feeding the Serpent
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Steve-
The reason chocolate, meat, salt slow down the process is due to the
fact that these are grounders. They help you to get regrounded when
things have gotten a little too intense at the moment. As for foods
that speed up or help the process...the one thing that gets drilled to
me is just to drink insane amounts of water. Due to the influx of
electrical current the body will need more water to act as a conductor.
;-)
Blessed Be-
danelle
always look within.....thru the clouds of emotion the answers you search
for can be found.
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:21:41 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, barneyATnospamsandside.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: Subliminal messages
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>Discord! (clang...)
>
>Cathy wrote,
>
>> experience in reference to the TV subliminal messages.
>> I'd turn on the TV, and recogize my situation being played out on
>> the movie or program and it would give me the answer I was looking
for.
>
>Surely shome mishtake? This could be seen as synchronicity but
>I am continually surprised at the effect that _any_ media 'input'
>has on my psyche. The bodymind is a dynamic ever changing
>system. It is naturally chaotic, therefore even seemingly insignificant
>stimuli can have 'a butterfly effect' and produce unpredicatble
results.
>
>Anyway it's the "it would give me the answer" bit that stands out
>above & kicked me into replying. Surely it is YOU finding the
>answer NOT the TV!
Wowee!!!!.And you explained this humorously even!!! And I used to wonder
why no one else saw all the signs and omens and hidden meanings, but now
you have shown me the answer!!! Thank you!!! I will think of you and
your vacumn cleaner analogy most gratefully from now on when I *see*
those hidden meanings and signs. Nice PS, too!!!
*I know better, but can't seem to find the words.*
Gloria Lee
>
>BUT! In the end everything _is_ self-referential (to the self, at
least)
>..I look at my vacuum cleaner. <snip>
>
>Luv
>
>Barney
>
>"Our wish is that YOU command"
>
>
>
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