1998/01/25 16:58
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #80
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 80
Today's Topics:
Re: What God? [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Feeding the Serpent [ Steve Elsner <selsnerATnospameagle.ycp.edu ]
Re: throat chakra and sleep [ "Ronel Grosvenor" <icsdbn06ATnospamglobal. ]
unidentified / pot [ "Ronel Grosvenor" <icsdbn06ATnospamglobal. ]
Re: Subliminal messages [ "barneyATnospamsandside.demon.co.uk" <barn ]
Re: Feeding the Serpent [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Feeding the Serpent (whoops) [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Conscious Sleep [ "Ronel Grosvenor" <icsdbn06ATnospamglobal. ]
Re: unidentified / pot [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
ADD, Meds, Blood. [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: Subliminal messages [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
throat chakra and sleep [ nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net> ]
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:41:45 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
CC: FRANCES G GRISSOM <SMARTDOLPHINATnospamprodigy.net>,
Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: What God?
Message-ID: <34CAFAC6.1FE4ATnospamintercomm.com>
anandajyoti wrote:
>
> FRANCES G GRISSOM wrote:
>
> > God is in all of us.
>
> Anandajyoti> I find two thoughts or ideas somewhat mixed up.
> Yes God is all of us. It depends on what are we trying to know, or think of God
> in the plane of duality. If my consciousness has the experience only of the
> dualistic
> categories of thought, then I would consider that God is something apart from
> me.
> For this type of understanding or experience , as long there is an object of
> devotion, or prayer, it implies the existence of a subject. In which case no
> one is God, and we can safely say God is in us .
>Frances wrote I think:
> > YOU CAN NOT BE A GOD.you can not be everywhere and see everything at one time.
> > You do not know everything and you are not perfect(no matter how many times
> > youu try to be).
>
> Anandajyoti> When Jesus said " I and my Father are one" he implied the non dual,
> non local field of Consciousness. So this is true that from this understanding
> /experience, that each one of us are omnipotent and omnipresent.
> In this non dual non local field , there are no two. The subject , object have
> become one. That is a state of consciousness and remembrance. of the experience
> of BEING.
Gloria here:
This is certainly the distinction and if this isn't realized then one is
not self realized and God is a thought or belief or memory of something
that is potential but it certainly is not manifest. So, in this place of
experience Don express's his feelings of truth. However, the potential
is within each soul to receive his/her inheritance provided God is made
first in life in all things. In this process of realizing God, one
becomes absorbed into him/her and in that... loses ego/shadow/self. This
then is the union and in this state God is manifest according to his
will and purpose through the vehicle which is an extention of his
purpose. So if God has purpose for the soul to be omnipotent or perform
miracles, etc, then it is manifest, but remember this is not an act of
the mind but pure Father/Mother consciousness.
> There is no moment when the SELF as Consciousness does not exist, nor can the
> subject/seer remain apart from Consciousness. This Non local Non Dual
> Consciousness is Eternal and is only BEING.
> AS an example: When people see visions, they don't see themselves. Does that
> mean the seer would deny his own existence, because the seer cannot see
> himself/herself as the vision is seen?
> So the true vision does not mean seeing but BE-ING.
GG
Eactly, one can not experience any awareness without being it, so that
in entering the stream of Divine Will we experience all that God is
manifesting in the moment.
>
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:58:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Steve Elsner <selsnerATnospameagle.ycp.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Feeding the Serpent
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I had pondered this in the past, and forgot about it until
recently when I had to buy a fresh supply of flax seed oil and was
reminded of Mystress's suggestions regarding that product.
What nutritional considerations might go into the K? For
instance, Flax oil- precisely what does it do for the K, and in what
amounts? Additionally vitamins and minerals might be considered (perhaps
factors for the nervous system?) as well as glandular supplements. What
kinds of foods might stimulate the pineal and other glands without harming
them?
On the flip side, there could be food guidelines in other areas.
I seem to remember chocolate or meat would slow the K down, if the trip is
too hard.
Any other ideas out there for these subjects?
-Steve
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:52:34 +0200
From: "Ronel Grosvenor" <icsdbn06ATnospamglobal.co.za>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, "nkognito" <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net>
Subject: Re: throat chakra and sleep
Message-Id: <199801252025.WAA28496ATnospammail.global.co.za>
Dear Sherry,
I'm quite intersted in the tickling sensations you described as physical
symptom ( of meditation?) as I get a similar thing sometimes when I
meditate usually it begins as a tickling sensation in the corner of my
mouth. The more closely I observe it the stronger the tickle becomes and it
begins to spread outward onto my cheek and it becomes like a pushing and
pulling sensation until it feels as if your whole cheek is being sucked
outward in slow motion and then blown inwards.
Ive tried to spread this sensation hoping it was a "loosening" sensation (
The sensations of body distortion I get when falling asleep ) but does'nt
go further than this. By concentrating on it I think it keeps me too
focused on my body and I can't go any deeper
Does your tickle spread or grow stronger if you give it attention?
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:19:20 +0200
From: "Ronel Grosvenor" <icsdbn06ATnospamglobal.co.za>
To: "TAvalon" <TAvalonATnospamtexas.net>, <DroldhamATnospamra.rockwell.com>
Cc: <sdelepteATnospamamnh.org>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: unidentified / pot
Message-Id: <199801252025.WAA28535ATnospammail.global.co.za>
.Terri wrote:
> To use pot to avoid difficult and painful feelings is procrastinating at
> least and potentially deadly at worst. If you are working out you
> problems and anger then use the pot to assist you and don't feel guilty.
> If you are using the pot to avoid your problems it isn't going to work
> and you might as well face that sooner rather than later.
>
I have smoked pot intermittantly for some time and have found the effects
to be such that it puts you in touch with your feelings in a very real way.
Theres no escape from your problems or fears as alcohol might give. It
doesn't offer any escape from my problems but often forces you to face
emotional issues. Repeatedly I have received intuitive understanding and
sometimes specific ideas that seem almost like instructions as how to solve
some problem be it an interpersonal one or an inner emotional block. But
then again I frequently meditate before and after smoking - or have
recently begun to do so with remarkable results. The combined effect of a
mind stilled in meditation and its ego defences somewhat dissolved from MJ
can sometimes amount to what I can only describe as Bliss, bliss, bliss
that can persist for a day or more.
Then again "K" may also have something to do with it.
I think this plant has received a bad rap from uninformed people and as for
being "potentially deadly" - I don't think so, the idea is ludicrous at
best!!
Do any other K - list members have anything of interest to add to this
controversial subject?
Paul
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:44:19 -0000
From: "barneyATnospamsandside.demon.co.uk" <barneyATnospamsandside.demon.co.uk>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Subliminal messages
Message-ID: <01BD29C9.C6156C60ATnospamsandside.demon.co.uk>
Discord! (clang...)
Cathy wrote,
> experience in reference to the TV subliminal messages.
> I'd turn on the TV, and recogize my situation being played out on
> the movie or program and it would give me the answer I was looking for.
Surely shome mishtake? This could be seen as synchronicity but
I am continually surprised at the effect that _any_ media 'input'
has on my psyche. The bodymind is a dynamic ever changing
system. It is naturally chaotic, therefore even seemingly insignificant
stimuli can have 'a butterfly effect' and produce unpredicatble results.
Anyway it's the "it would give me the answer" bit that stands out
above & kicked me into replying. Surely it is YOU finding the
answer NOT the TV!
It's a tempting line of reasoning ounce you start thinking abou it
- that somehow the media is full of _controlling_ messages that
compel people to do things. 'Fnords' as they're known in the Eristic
movement (or, more strictly, meaningless but seemingly extremely
important information). After a while this kind of reasoning can
become self supporting, self justifying, an infinite feed back loop.
BUT! In the end everything _is_ self-referential (to the self, at least)
..I look at my vacuum cleaner. I notice it's vaguely sci-fi styling.
Is this why I bought this model in the first place? A longing for a
better world? With this kind of understanding should I have gone into advertising? I could be making $$$ exploiting peoples
dissatisfaction with the world! Then I remember that there are
actually people making a living out of exactly this!
This keeps me on my uncertain path through life: of course I'm
uncertain we live in extremely confusing times! Did my vacuum
cleaner teach me this? Who's the sucker, me
or the vacuum cleaner? Mmmm, must be the vacuum cleaner...
Luv
Barney
"Our wish is that YOU command"
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:42:56 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Feeding the Serpent
Message-ID: <34CBA3D0.3CC3ATnospammail.snet.net>
Steve Elsner wrote:
> What nutritional considerations might go into the K?
Anything to feed the nervous system and preserve its' resources.
Check your intake of zinc, magnesium, manganese, and calcium.
*Time or Sustained Release* B-Complex 100 is always a good idea each
day.
Under a lot of stress? Showing carpal tunnel symptoms? Smoke? Drink?
Try 2 or 3 a day.
> For
> instance, Flax oil- precisely what does it do for the K, and in what
> amounts?
Flax oil is a great source of linoleic(omega-6) and linolenic
acid.(omega-3)
There's 3 types of short-lived, hormone like compounds called
prostaglandins.
They regulate every cell in your body. Sounds important huh? When they
are
out of balance all sorts of disease starts creeping in. From colds to
cancer.
The letter E is used to denote the 3 types of prostaglandins.
E1 & E3 are anti-inflammatory in nature (among other things) while E2
is pro-inflammatory.
In short americans have very high levels of E2 and lo levels of E1 & E3.
This wreaks all sorts of immune and cardio vascular havoc to name a few.
1.Supplement with omega 3. This is the precursor for E-3
85% of Americans are deficient in omega 3 due to destruction in food
processing.
(not good)Also eat salmon,sardines,mackerel,and trout.
2.Good oils for linoleic acid are *unprocessed* pumpkin seed, olive,
safflower,
sunflower, corn, sesame, rice bran, flax, soybean,walnut, & canola oil.
Processed oils not only do not have what you need, they are also
carcinogenic.
(double whammy)
3.Meat loads your body with arachidonic acid which gets directly
converted
to pro-inflammatory E2! Also the fat in meats inhibits the conversion of
omega 3 & 6
to E1 & E2(by inhibiting a needed enzyme for the conversion.)
With regard to meat...cut it down or cut it out.
I haven't even scratched the surface with regard to the importance of
all
this. If this interests you I'd strongly recommend "Essential Fats" by
Dr. Michael Colgan. Vancouver: Apple Publishing, in press. (or anything
else he's written for that matter)
> kinds of foods might stimulate the pineal
The pineal gland secretes melatonin.
To good health,
David
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:47:37 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Feeding the Serpent (whoops)
Message-ID: <34CBA4E9.1894ATnospammail.snet.net>
David Bozzi wrote:
> 3.Meat loads your body with arachidonic acid which gets directly
> converted
> to pro-inflammatory E2! Also the fat in meats inhibits the conversion of
> omega 3 & 6
> to E1 & E2(by inhibiting a needed enzyme for the conversion.)
> With regard to meat...cut it down or cut it out.
Should be E1 & *E3* not E2.
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:37:35 +0200
From: "Ronel Grosvenor" <icsdbn06ATnospamglobal.co.za>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Conscious Sleep
Message-Id: <199801252042.WAA00292ATnospammail.global.co.za>
Conscious Sleep (the sleepless sleep?)
United we fall,
into sleepy oblivion.
When thunder roars
the conscious mind shakes.
Slippery is the awakened night.
Slick with sweat and anticipation.
So long it has been but now,
Its as if Iv'e never left.
I wonder,
I glow,
I scream,
I know!
The totality within is claiming me,
piece by piece.
Annihilation of opposites,
United in,
nothingness.
The birth place of Gods and
dust particles.
The Zen nature,
of men and mushrooms.
The here and now forever!!
Back so soon?
Wait!!
There was so much more.
But even now it is forgotten
Fading with the night.
Paul
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:25:25 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: "Kundalini" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: unidentified / pot
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From: Ronel Grosvenor <icsdbn06ATnospamglobal.co.za>
To: TAvalon <TAvalonATnospamtexas.net>; DroldhamATnospamra.rockwell.com
<DroldhamATnospamra.rockwell.com>
Cc: sdelepteATnospamamnh.org <sdelepteATnospamamnh.org>; kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Date: Sunday, 25 January, 1998 21:28 PM
Subject: unidentified / pot
>then again I frequently meditate before and after smoking - or have
>recently begun to do so with remarkable results. The combined effect of a
>mind stilled in meditation and its ego defences somewhat dissolved from MJ
Meditation and non-indulging are the keys to effective use of psychoactive
substances. There is nothing inherently problematic about them. The
problems arise from the (ab)user. Therefore, if you have problems with
them, don't project them on to others.
What are the benefits? Among other things, these substances show you an
altered perception or awareness that is no less valid than the one you
normally experience. Normal perception is no longer taken so much for
granted and thus, when you have "Kundalini symptoms" it is less of an upset
to your equilibrium.
What are the problems? We tend to rationalize or explain away the
experience as just the effect of the substance. Thus denigrates it to
something less valid than normal perception. We do the same thing with
"Kundalini symptoms." If you have read about them and you find yourself
experiencing them, you will immediately explain your experience away as just
a "symptom." But a symptom of what? It is no less valid than the symptom
of pain you feel when you strike your finger with a hammer.
All perceptions are real and created by ourselves.
Jason.
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:12:45
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: TAvalon <TAvalonATnospamtexas.net>
Cc: DroldhamATnospamra.rockwell.com, sdelepteATnospamamnh.org, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: ADD, Meds, Blood.
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>DroldhamATnospamra.rockwell.com wrote:
>> These words are true and powerful. Live your life and break your
>> addiction.
>> I wouldn't 'stave off the terrible bouts of anger and sadness'. Feel it
>> all. Let the kundalini work help you in clearing this out of your system.
Spoken like a true non ADD person... drop those crutches and WALK, sez
the preacher. If you cannot, then it is becuase faith is not strong
enough..??
Been there, tried that many times.. but when the bout of anger is from
wierd brain chemistry, kundalini can become a pretty nasty weapon.
(ssss...Come to the dark side, Luke Skywalker..)
I have people around me who trust me not to use the power they have given
me, to hurt them. In that state, I don't even trust myself. I usually
isolate myself as quickly as possible, as soon as I notice the signs, to
minimize damage.
Fire may be warmth and light. When your house catches fire, you don't sit
and watch it burn, to see what Goddess intends.. you grab the water She
also provided and put the fire out!
In my case, I damp the fire with smoke.. I am a fire sign..
I know that my anger is irrational, even as it is happening. It is
usually set off by something momentary and insignificant.. that makes no
difference to the power of the emotion.. it will pick up rationality, and
turn it into judgemental K. righteousness quickly as thought. Logic turns
to a tool for rhetoric and rationality turns to rationalization, and the
flip side of genius is what??
I do get other emotional extremes, but anger is the dangerous one..
I have been granted an embarrassment of riches, artistic and creative
talents too many to name.. and the flip side is ADD. Tao of Mystress.
I have been given intuition that is a laser scalpel of light, to open
hearts and set imagination afire.. to heal.. but the flip side of that
sharp blade is the glory of destruction, that had the Druids and Mayans
convinced that the Earth wanted Blood sacrifice. Cut the heart out, still
beating and eat it for breakfast with fava beans and a nice chianti.
When I first connected with Chacmool, it was in Mexico, visionquesting
looking for guidance, while deciding what kind of Pro Domina I was going to
be. Getting clear.
My first concern was that he would be expecting the Mayan sacrifice
thing.. he made it clear, they had been misguided and it was not necessary
or wanted. Whew!
It is women's moon blood, rich in the energy and life of woman, that the
Earth enjoys.. the old rituals, where the women gathered in earth floored
huts at the moon's changing, to let their womb's blood drip back into the
earth. The blood of birth.
Likewise, the druids originally sought the blood that marks the change
from girl to maiden, and from maiden to Mother. The blood marking the
mysteries of creation. The virgins "sacrificed", lived thru it... LOL!
They just weren't virgins anymore.. Goddess incarnate was worshipped with
offerings of pleasure.
With me, there is no blood, but the wounds of Words go deeper, and the
scars cannot be seen so clearly, to be healed after. When submissive types
lose their temper, they yell about things that make no sense. When
dominants lose it, they calmly coldly say things that are true and make
perfect sense, but in kindness, ought never to be said.
Dog's bark may be worse than the bite.. serpent's poison kills with a
silent pinprick.
We are never given anything we cannot handle.. and Goddess has provided
me with the most sacred, ancient and gentle of herbal medicines, to help me
cope. Blessed be.
Tim Leary, bless his soul, did some work to suggest pot is a tool for
brain reprogramming. This makes sense to my experience: put out the fire,
then look in the ashes to see what started it. Forgive self for
destruction. Make a correction of thought. Get better candleholders, so
fire is light and warmth, not rampaging destruction. But as long as humans
have been using fire to keep warm, houses have been burning down. This is
the Tao of fire.
Ever wonder about the relationship between Tummo fire, and spontaneous
human combustion?
>At 16:51 24/01/98 -0600, TAvalon wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Now for the middle of the road approach. ADD people frequently self
>medicate with caffeine, pot and sugar.
LOL! Sitting with my morning smoke, and a pint of Twinings black currant
tea with lots of dark demerra sugar.. it hits the brain more slowly, and
it's higher in minerals like potassium. Lots of heavy cream, too.. calcium
and fat, vit. D for a pale white grrrl of german/english descent.
4 flax seed oil capsules come next, high quality food for a balanced
nervous system, and a powerful antioxidant.. prevents lung cancer, amongst
other things. The only more nutritous oil for humans, comes from hemp seed.
More evidence, that our relationship with this plant goes back to the
beginnings of human evolution.
A note to medical marijuana users tho: part of the anti-med argument is
that the strength of dosage and effects can vary quite a bit. Since it
takes about a million bucks worth of pot smoked in an hour or so to
overdose.. physically impossible, .. it is rather a misdirection. The only
person on record to have been killed by pot, had about a ton of it fall on
them..
Different strains do affect humans differently, tho..
In the sixties, the pot was grown outdoors in faraway places, and most of
it tended to be Cannibas sativa.
Icon: the Beatles frolicking in old fashioned bathing costumes in the
movie "Help!"
These days, most pot is grown hydroponically indoors, and cannibas indica
is better suited to hydroponics.
Icon: Gen X couch potato channel surfing into tomorrow.
Point: Sativa is better medical marijuana for folks who still want to be
getting things done.. IMHO.. tho at the compassion club, some users prefer
indica for it's greater sedation.
>I think society and Americans in particular want the quick fix. And the
>quick fix no more exists than the easter bunny or the happily ever after
>fairy tale ending.
>
>Blessed Be,
>
>Terri Avalon
All things exist, somewhere.. Goddess is limitless manifestation.. Green
man is prob'ly the Easter Bunny too.. rites of spring..
If society wants a quick fix balm for stress, compassion reminds us that
humans have not ever had to live in the kind of rapid change that our
society encompasses, in the information age.
Change is stressful to humans. We are living in a world that our
technology is reshaping at a pace that is unprecedented in human history.
Kundalites get the environmental changes, and the inner evolutionary
changes, and the information age changes... Stressed? It's understandable.
Be gentle with yourself.
Blessings, Mystress.
>
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
-- Harry Emerson Fosdick
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:02:06
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: lightwalkerATnospamwebtv.net (Cathy Sledjeski)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Subliminal messages
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At 17:14 23/01/98 -0500, Cathy Sledjeski wrote:
>I just joined the list a few days ago, and thought I'd add a personal
>experience in reference to the TV subliminal messages.
>
>My experience is that I would be working on a lesson or situation in my
>life. I'd turn on the TV, and recogize my situation being played out on
>the movie or program and it would give me the answer I was looking for.
>
Beautiful story. Art and Kundalini, speaking to each other.
Do you remember the TV series "Remington Steele"? He was always figuring
out detective cases, by comparing them to the plots of old movies. Art
imitates Life imitates Art.
When the listening gets better, you don't even need to have the T.V. on..
there are only so many stories, different charachters, and they are all
usually about love and death. You have thousands of stories in your mind,
your personal library of film and Video, books and memories for Goddess
insight messages to draw on.
Sitting at my computer in the silence, I ask a question, and the memory
of an old twilight zone episode will come to give insight.. or a song will
start running in my head.. Goddess D.J. spinnin' the tunes for my
edification.
There is one tune that comes into my head, as a calling card from a
partcular ghosty visitor.. a departed friend. I know of a newspaper
astrologer who looks for inspiration by scrying a channel surf, or 30
seconds of random MTV.
Witches call it "Scrying".. using a relaxed focus on a random factor,
such as distorted reflections in a crystal ball, or the patterns of Tea
leaves, to open up the intuitive knowing and quiet the mind to give Goddess
room for input: creative inspiration, synchronicity.
Here's one I got as a teenager, from Richard Bach's "Illusions, The
Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah." Hold any book, or even an old
newspaper. Think of a question, and open the book randomly to find the
answer.
Blesings, Mystress.
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:56:19 -0500
From: nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: throat chakra and sleep
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Hello Ronel,
Ronel said:
> I'm quite intersted in the tickling sensations you described as physical
symptom ( of meditation?) as I get a similar thing sometimes when I
meditate usually it begins as a tickling sensation in the corner of my
mouth. The more closely I observe it the stronger the tickle becomes and it
begins to spread outward onto my cheek and it becomes like a pushing and
pulling sensation until it feels as if your whole cheek is being sucked
outward in slow motion and then blown inwards.
Sherry replied:
I suppose the physical sensations vary greatly from person to person. I
just had the sensation that hair was growing on my face. Funny as this may
sound, I thought I was beginning to manifest male characteristics. I was
thinking I might have to start shaving or something. I did not have the
push pull sensations you described. Perhaps another way to describe it:
If you blow up a balloon and rub the outside surface to create static
electricity, then take the balloon and get it close to your face, it makes
your hair raise up and you can feel the actual energy of the electricity.
It makes the face tickle. Sort of like that. The thing is I still get
this sensation from time to time. If was much more pronounced back when I
first began to meditate. So perhaps its just the body attuning to a new
energy level and then it levels out. I'm not sure.
Ronel:
<Ive tried to spread this sensation hoping it was a "loosening" sensation (
The sensations of body distortion I get when falling asleep ) but doesn't
go further than this. By concentrating on it I think it keeps me too
focused on my body and I can't go any deeper. Does your tickle spread or
grow stronger if you give it attention?
Sherry replied:
No, I can't say that it got stronger if I paid attention to. What I would
usually do is stop meditating for moment, stroke my face gently. (as if
someone just kissed it and I'm rubbing it in) gggg . Then I would
continue on. The thing is, it doesn't always happen when I am meditating,
sometimes it happens hours later after I have stopped meditating. So it
seems to pick its own time. : )
Sher
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