1998/01/24 09:44
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #77
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 77
Today's Topics: Re: Voices (Green Man) [ acarre ]
Re: need some sound advice [ Gloria Greco ] Subliminal messages [ lightwalkerATnospamwebtv.net (Cathy Sledje ]
Lack of sleep [ nkognito ] Re: Voices (Green Man) [ Ann Morrison Fisher ]
Re: Voices (was Re: Introduction) [ Mystress Angelique Serpent ] Re: reference to shamanism [ Mary Ezzell ]
Re: whassup? TEST (ignore) [ Mystress Angelique Serpent ] Re: fighting fear [ Yu Zhang (by way ]
I nedd help [ George Nistor To: Mystress Angelique Serpent
CC: Ann Morrison Fisher , kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Voices (Green Man)
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Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> At 02:01 23/01/98 -0600, Ann Morrison Fisher wrote: > >One of the entities who came to talk to me said, when I asked for a
> name to > >use, "Call me the Green Brother." Later I realized that he was a
> deva, and > >since I've been into the K. process, he's become my main guide.
> Oy, studying druidism, surely you must recognize the Green Man..
> Blessed > be!
Though you may be interested in this interpreation of the card The Fool
in Egyptian Tarot.
"The Green Man of the Dpring Festival. April Fool. The Holy Ghost.: This radition reprsents the original idea adapted to the inderstanding
of the average peasant. The Green Man is a personification of the mysterious influence that produces the phenoma of spring. It is hard to
say why it should be so, but it is so: there is a connection with the ideas of irresponsability, of wantonness, of idealizarion, of romance.
of starry dreaming. The Fool stirs witthin all of us at the return od Spring, and because we
are little bewildered, a littles embarrassed, it has been thought a salutary custon to externalise the subconscious impulse by ceremonial
means. It was a way of making confession easy. Of all the festival it may be said that they are representations in the simplest form, without
intropestion, of a perfectly natural phenemon. In particular are to be noted the sustom of the Easter Egg and the "Poisson d'avril"".
Snip
"The Great Fool of the Celts (Dalua):
This is a consuderable advance on those purely naturalistic phenomena above described; int the Great Fool is a definitive doctrine. The world
is always looking for a doctrine; it is a plain fact. Salvation, whatever salvation may mean, is not to be obtained on any reasonable
terms. Reason is an impasse, reason is dmnation; only madness, divine madness, offers an issue. The law of the Lord Chancellor will not serve;
the law-giver may be an epilectic camel-driver like Mohammed, a megalomaniac provincial upstart like Napoleon, or even an exile,
three-parts learned, one-part cray, an attic-dweller in such persons; they are all mad, that is, inspired. Nearly all primitive pople possess
this tradition, at least in a diluted form. They respect the wandering lunatic, for it may be that he is the messaenger of the Most High. "This
queer stranger? Let us entreat him kindly. It may be that we entertain an angel unawares"."
The book of Thoth by Aleister Crowley
ISBN 0-87728-269-4
Love Antoine
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:09:12 +0100 From: Gloria Greco
To: Dominic & Maureen Marando CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: need some sound advice Message-ID:
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Dominic & Maureen Marando wrote:
> >
> He makes statements like "I now know what Canadian nurses in world war II > were all about" after reading "The English Patient."
> He seems a bit bitter that we don't talk as often as...I guess he feels he'd > like..but lately he is so negative...mostly about himself.....it's a bummer
> and an energy drainer. > However, I don't want to abandon someone in spiritual emergence....but I am
> no "guru". > Any advise?
> Thanks for your time. >
Mo, Sounds like he could be heading for a difficult time, the only thing
you can do is ask him if he understands anything about detachment, and also how does he relate to God. If he can separate enough to witness
this instead of getting into it, it may slide by, but if he can't he will have to ride it and that is tough. Gloria
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ &
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:00:22 +0100 From: Gloria Greco
To: anandajyoti CC: ori , "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com"
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anandajyoti wrote:
> >
> Hello Ori ! > I personally would miss you, and would always remember to snip. Thank for
> the friendly reminders. Your thoughts above are for keepers, could not bear > to snip them.
> I wish you all the best in your venture and pray that life gives you > whatever you aspire for and all the happiness, health and wealth.
> > Sincerely,
> > Anandajyoti.
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Gloria here: I also wish you well, you know where we are so stop by from time to time
and just say hi.
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
& http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them! Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:29:27 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: whassup? TEST (ignore) Message-ID:
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No list mail for awhile. Kinda worried I've been bounced again.
still here? amckeon
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:21:57 -0600 From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Suggestion
Message-ID:
As long as we have already had a couple of reminders about snippage, I'd
like to suggest that people not use "Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #whatever" as the subject heading. It is not too informative.
still here,
amckeon Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:04:16 -0500
From: acarre To: Mystress Angelique Serpent
CC: Ann Morrison Fisher , kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Voices (Green Man, retouched by a computer :-)
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After passing with the corrector gives in better english :-) :
Though you may be interested in this interpretation of the card The Fool in Egyptian Tarot.
"The Green Man of the Spring Festival. April Fool. The Holy Ghost.:
This tradition represents the original idea adapted to the understanding of the average peasant. The Green Man is a personification of the
mysterious influence that produces the phenomena of spring. It is hard to
say why it should be so, but it is so: there is a connection with the ideas of irresponsibility, of wantonness, of idealization, of romance.
of starry dreaming. The Fool stirs within all of us at the return od Spring, and because we
are little bewildered, a little embarrassed, it has been thought a salutary custom to externalize the subconscious impulse by ceremonial
means. It was a way of making confession easy. Of all the festival it may be said that they are representations in the simplest form, without
introspection, of a perfectly natural phenomena. In particular are to be noted the custom of the Easter Egg and the "Poisson d'avril"".
Snip
"The Great Fool of the Celts (Dalua):
This is a considerable advance on those purely naturalistic phenomena above described; in the Great Fool is a definitive doctrine. The world
is always looking for a doctrine; it is a plain fact. Salvation, whatever salvation may mean, is not to be obtained on any reasonable
terms. Reason is an impasse, reason is damnation; only madness, divine madness, offers an issue. The law of the Lord Chancellor will not serve;
the law-giver may be an epileptic camel-driver like Mohammed, a megalomaniac provincial upstart like Napoleon, or even an exile,
three-parts learned, one-part cray, an attic-dweller in such persons; they are all mad, that is, inspired. Nearly all primitive people possess
this tradition, at least in a diluted form. They respect the wandering lunatic, for it may be that he is the messenger of the Most High. "This
queer stranger? Let us entreat him kindly. It may be that we entertain an angel unawares"."
The book of Thoth by Aleister Crowley
ISBN 0-87728-269-4
Love Antoine
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:14:23 -0500 From: lightwalkerATnospamwebtv.net (Cathy Sledjeski)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Subliminal messages
Message-Id:
I just joined the list a few days ago, and thought I'd add a personal experience in reference to the TV subliminal messages.
My experience is that I would be working on a lesson or situation in my
life. I'd turn on the TV, and recogize my situation being played out on the movie or program and it would give me the answer I was looking for.
For instance, I was going thru a divorce many years ago, and we were
bickering about our possessions. I tuned into a movie about a woman who couldn't let go of her possessions and destroyed everyone's lives. I
saw it as a lesson for myself that as I let go of the possessions, I would let go of my husband. It was a revelation, and strong spiritual
lesson. At that point, not fighting over the possessions was a way of releasing him and moving on.
Perhaps this is similar to other's experiences?
love and light,
Cathy Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:20:49 -0500
From: nkognito To:
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Antoine,
After the birth of my son, I went about nine months on about 3 hours of sleep per night. Now this was not 3 hours in a row, this was total amount
of sleep in between getting up several times during the night walking the floor with a crying child.
This caused great amount of depression and difficulty in concentrating at
work, short temper, and more than anything, I missed having my dreams each night. I was exhausted all of the time. Not a good thing for me.
Sherry
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:32:12 -0600 From: Ann Morrison Fisher
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Voices (Green Man)
Message-Id:
Antoine!
Thank you!
>"The Green Man of the Spring Festival.
What spring festival would this be? The cross-quarter days wouldn't fall
in April. Would it be at the spring equinox?
>In particular are to be >noted the sustom of the Easter Egg and the "Poisson d'avril"".
I don't have much French - does "poisson" mean "fish"?
>"The Great Fool of the Celts (Dalua):
Is "Dalua" meant as a name for Celts or for the Great Fool? Is the
spelling right? I don't recall seeing the name.
Love, Ann
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:40:13 -0500 From: acarre
To: "Mailing list (Kundalini)" Subject: Temples chakras?
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Hi to all,
The last few days deep energy work as been going on in my head. Leve those deep explorations. The the affect is of having my temples fell
wide open, energy flowing out and in from my temples. The pineal gland being the center of all this.
Closing my eyes could say i have horns, comming out from the temples.
I would really appreciate any information on this.
Thank you very much for your time
Antoine
--
May the God of light grant to us sight! May the heavenly peaks grant to us sight! May God the creator grant to us sight! Give sight to our eyes
and sight to our bodies that we may see. May we see the world at a single glance and in all its details.
Rig Veda 10.158.3-4, Vedic Experience p. 340-341
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:49:39 From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
To: Ann Morrison Fisher Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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(smile) Ask him also, if he is the Horned God of the Celts, Herne the Hunter, and also the Greek nature God Pan? Ask if he is Chakmool, Rain God
of the Yucatan. I have an idea what answer you will get, but I am curious to hear his
response. Blessings, Mystress.
>
>[Angelique] The Green man could be called Gaia's consort..
>> >>"Kirk Anderson" wrote:
>> Khidr, who is supposed to be the spirit of Elijah (among many many others!) is known in fable by the fact that he dresses in green, or
sometimes may appear to be composed of >>translucent green light.
>> At 08:56 23/01/98 -0600, Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
>Thank you, Kirk! No, I didn't know about this. Green Brother says yes, he >is the Sufis' Green Guide. Amazing!
> >Love,
>Ann> >
> >
> >
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:06:28 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher To: Mystress Angelique Serpent
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Voices (was Re: Introduction)
Message-Id:
Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> (smile) Ask him also, if he is the Horned God of the Celts, YES
Herne the Hunter, YES and NO. Says when people used that name, they didn't always mean the same thing. Some of them meant him.
and also the Greek nature God Pan? YES with qualification. He says Pan is a larger group entity. He is Pan, but others - or at least one other - are
also Pan. Ask if he is Chakmool, Rain God of the Yucatan. YES and NO. He says when
they thought of the Rain God, that was just part of him. Some other god(s) were also him. As for the little Chakmool you have, he says yes, it helps
you be in touch with him.
Interesting - I asked about Chakmool and got part of the answer. I was thinking of asking about your Chakmool but first started typing the first
answer. A clear tone came in my left ear and got louder and louder. I asked if it was significant - YES. I asked if it was about the question I
was thinking of asking - YES. So I asked it.
Just asked whether the sound came because 1) he was impatient to tell you, or 2) because I'd already picked up the answer and was trying to postpone
hearing it. He says the first. I asked if "impatient" was a poor choice of words. I get a shrug and a YES. Well, he REALLY wanted to tell you. Will
that do? YES
> I have an idea what answer you will get, but I am curious to hear his >response.
> Blessings, Mystress. >
>> >>[Angelique]
> The Green man could be called Gaia's consort.. >>>
>>>"Kirk Anderson" wrote: >>> Khidr, who is supposed to be the spirit of Elijah (among many many
>others!) is known in fable by the fact that he dresses in green, or >sometimes may appear to be composed of
>>>translucent green light. >>>
>At 08:56 23/01/98 -0600, Ann Morrison Fisher wrote: >>Thank you, Kirk! No, I didn't know about this. Green Brother says yes, he
>>is the Sufis' Green Guide. Amazing! >>
>>Love, >>Ann>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:38:49 -0600 From: FIute
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" Subject: hello
Message-ID:
Did you miss me??? :> Love and Laughter,
flute Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:54:27 -0800
From: Mary Ezzell To:
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At 04:18 AM 1/23/98, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote: >At 05:50 23/01/98 -0500, nkognito wrote:
>>Thanks for asking. As far as I know, I'm not a shaman. As a matter of >fact, when this particular episode happened, I was
>>very sick. I was in bed for 3 to 5 days with a fever of 104, bronchitis, >>sinus infection and the flu. I kept the lights on night and day, until my
>>fever broke. And I only slept in the daytime. >
> You are a Shaman, and you chose the term by instinct. Severe illness with >wild visions, and even coma are common with the onset of the gift.
Right. A few years ago I decided to learn a little about shamanism, started shopping for a workshop, read a few books on it ... immediately got sick
(food poisoining, supposedly), had a flying-in-the-clouds experience and met a guide ... recognized all sorts of details from the books at the time....
The illness was ... very helpful. The 'shamanistic' stuff couldn't have
happened without it (at least not to me, I wouldn't have sat still for it.... :-)....
Anyway, the results, mostly channeled, are online at:
http://www.wp.com/dragontree/fairy.html ( vol i )
Mary Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:58:54
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: whassup? TEST (ignore)
Message-Id:
The computer will unsub you on autopilot, if your server is down, for
whatever reason. Rather than just posting to the list, just resubscribe yourself. The
computer will tell you if you are already still on the list. It won't give you two subscriptions, unless you give it two different email addresses.
At 14:29 23/01/98 -0600, amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
>No list mail for awhile. Kinda worried I've been bounced again. >
>still here? >amckeon
> >
> >
>
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At 11:23 AM 1/23/98 EST, RadiantTchATnospamaol.com wrote: >In a message dated 98-01-23 10:06:13 EST, oriATnospameskimo.com writes:
> >< .....How was your weekend?"
> hehehe see what I mean? >
>Yep, I know how it goes! Somehow, I have discovered a language to use with >each group or individual I am with, that says what I want to say, but says it
>in a way that is "safe" for those listening, and as a result, "safe" for me. >That has helped me tremendously in stepping "out" there, and being ME in all
>situations. I wish the same for you.
Yes, me too. It's kind of fun. Tho I haven't got langauges for everybody
yet, just a few. Sort of like describing the same facts in the language of whoever you're speaking to ... putting it in the words they'd use if it
happened to them. (And assuming similar things probably do happen to most of my friends, but they just don't notice them as strongly.)
For example, with therapist types, instead of saying "My mother's ghost
came to visit," one says, "I have been having strong memories of my mother, thinking what she might say about my life now...."
BB Mary
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:00:37 From: Yu Zhang (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent )
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: fighting fear
Message-Id:
In Tibetan Mahamudra Yoga, personal negative feeling is used for training to
reach the truth. There are four steps in Mahamudra Yoga: 1, Concentration Yoga, concentrate on holy one brightness.
2, No Dream Yoga, be away from holy one, don't be too concentrate on it. 3, Holy One Yoga, at this step, feel the force of holy one is incide
everything, good or bad, positive or negative...
Teachers even stimulate the negative feelings in their students, let them know the
force of holy one is behind anything. When you get these negative feelings, don't try to get rid of them, nor to
establish them; don't follow them, don't be fear; relax on the emptyness of holy one
which is behind these negative feelings. It is said super-natural abilities can be
obtained at this step.
4, No training Yoga, no more training needed, just pratise what you've learned.
Yu
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/yzhang/ --
| "Who sees all beings in his own | Self, and his own Self in
| all beings, loses all fear." | - Isa Upanishad
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:48:26 +0200 From: George Nistor
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" Subject: I nedd help
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From: Ann Morrison Fisher To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: ori Subject: Re: Phase shifting
Message-Id:
ori wrote:
>A quick note to say I'm unsubscribing while I get started back up
>in school for a Master's in Counseling.
Sorry to see you go, Ori. Can't you manage to check in from time to time? >
>I commented recently about not being sure I was ready for the intense >interpersonal relating that would be a part of the school I'm going to.
>I tend to be more private than social. My friend commented that this >might be a good opportunity for me to get more comfortable in the social
>realm. "True enough," I replied, "except I sometimes find it hard to >share in casual social conversation-- "
FDR told someone that he was once shy about talking to people and found
that the key to it is to ask questions about the other person and get interested in them. Then you don't think about yourself.
Certainly helped me! Everyone you meet has something interesting to tell,
if you can only find out what it is . If you ask men about their work and get interested in hearing about that, they'll never think you're
dull, I promise you!
Good luck!
Love, Ann
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 06:25:39 -0600 From: Ann Morrison Fisher
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: need some sound advise
Message-Id:
Mo (chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando)) wrote:
>I have a friend who is going through a "spiritual emergency"....
>Where does spiritual emergence/crisis/emergency end and psychosis begin?...
>...he was almost convinced his
>apartment was bugged, that the ice storm was a warning for us all, and >became obsessed with the idea of a "war" between awakened humanity and
>corporations like Coke who want to turn us into drones....
>However, I don't want to abandon someone in spiritual emergence....but I am >no "guru".
Hi Mo:
I'll second Meadowart . You couldn't get better advice.
> ...Your buddy sounds needy and paranoid and, to me at least, it
>doesn't sound >like a spiritual emergency so much as a psychotic episode.
> In either case, the best you can do for him is to recommend someone >trained to deal with mental crisis, whether that be a high level guru or a
>psychiatrist. > Good friends know when they are out of their depth. ...
> Send your buddy to the help he needs.
Look for a psychiatrist who understands spiritual matters. If you don't know who else to ask, the Spiritual Emergence Network does have a web site,
and here's some material from their home page:
http://elfnet1a.elfi.com:80/sen/
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