1998/01/21 02:24
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #69
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 69
Today's Topics:
Re: Broadcast [ Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> ]
Einstein [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Einstein [ Mark Rivera <mrivera1ATnospamIDT.NET> ]
Re: URL/Re: Dangers of Pranayama-Kun [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: introduction [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Healings with Hugs.... [ TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH) ]
Re: Unidentified subject! [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: Kundalini - Cancer - Healing? [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: introduction [ croaton1ATnospamyahoo.com (Croaton) ]
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:49:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
To: mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com
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kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, DonBBensonATnospamaol.com, keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: Broadcast
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At 08:52 PM 1/19/98, you wrote:
>At 15:57 18/01/98 -0500, Gene Kieffer wrote:
>>
GENE HAD SAID TO GLORIS, IN PART:
>
><...> If somebody in Alaska is thinking negatively, can you and they
>see the effects of these thoughts and how they hinder the evolution of the
race?
>
MYSTRESS ANGELIQUE SERPENT RESPONDED:
> I do not know all of what Goddess intends to the evolution of the human
>race, so how can I say what will help or hinder?
> Each path is individual. For some, an NDE is the key to awakening.. or
>Alcoholics Anonymous. The internet itself, started out as part of the
>american war machine.. but it is becoming a tool of peace, as borders grow
>invisible.
GENE'S RESPONSE:
Is this Mystress Angelique Serpent speaking? If so, you do me
a great honor. I didn't anticipate your participation in this little
dialogue I was having with Gloria. I am very grateful for your
interest. Your opening comment, that you "do not know all of what
Goddess intends to the evolution of the human race" is certainly
a modest one and shows humility. Since neither you nor I know what
the Goddess intends, it would be foolhardy for either of us to speculate
on what might help or hinder human evolution. I accept with gratitude
your sage advice. But if we do not know what the Goddess intends, why
not give some thought to a scientific investigation of Kundalini?
MS. SERPENT SAYS:
> I do know, that any plan that starts out by saying how someody else has
>to change, is bound to fail.
> Even Michael Jackson knows.. wanna change the world? Start with the man
>in the mirror.
>>
GENE'S RESPONSE:
My Dear Angelique, I do not recall starting out by saying how somebody
else has to change. Perhaps you were referring to someone else?
GENE SAID EARLIER TO GLORIA:
>> So you see, scientists draw very, very heavily upon their intuition,
>>just the same as you do. The only difference is that they always withhold
>>their judgment until all the data are in.
MS. SERPENT SAYS:
<...> The scientific data are not yet final. Tilt.. contradictory
statements.. Gene's not making sense again..
> In a limitless universe, all the data never ever will come in.
> It can't.. our finite brains haven't room enough. Most scientists are
bright enough to admit, the more they learn, the more >there is they'll
never know.
> They are always working with guesses suppositions and half-truths.
> Wait all you like.. hope ya packed a lunch.
>
GENE'S RESPONSE:
I can agree with you that the universe is infinite; although all
the data to support that supposition are not yet it. Recently, scientists
announced that the data so far suggests (95% certainty) that the universe
will continue to expand for ever.
GENE SAID EARLIER TO GLORIA:
>> Scientists do have their dream, they have their visions, they probably
>>believe as sincerely in God as anyone else does. But they cannot write
>>scientific papers for professional journals about what they see in their
>>dreams and experience on their excursions into the spiritual world.
>>If they did, they would not be scientists. Blake was an exception.
MS. SERPENTS INTERJECTS:
> Nonsense. E=MC2 came from Einstiens visionary experience of what it would
>be like, to be a photon.
>
GENE'S REPLY:
I am grateful once again to be informed of Einstein's visionary
experience. Wish I knew what he was smoking on that particular
visionary journey.
One day, I visited the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton,
NJ, where Einstein worked. I had a lunch date with Dr. John BaCall, who
was working on the neutrino problem. He was on the phone with Russia
when I arrived, so I had to wait outside his office for about 15 minutes.
He then told me that the Russians had something like 20 tons of boron,
which was needed in his (BaCall's) neutrino experiment, and he was trying to
borrow it until the Russians needed it back.
But the point here is that while walking to the restaurant, past
Einstein's home, I said, "I understand that Dr. Einstein once had
a mystical experience." Dr. BcCall (the spelling of his name is
wrong, but it is phoneteically correct) stopped dead in his tracks,
turned to face me, and said "What?"
I didn't have the nerve to repeat what I had said. It would
have ended our lunch before we even got to the restaurant.
But I'm glad that you have confirmed that it was a "visionary
experience" which brought the world E=MC2.
GENE SAID TO GLORIA:
>
> "After all, the spiritual universe is not made of Jello, is it?"
This statement was made in response to something Gloria said about
sending out negative thought forms, etc.
MS. SERPENT SAYS,
> No, it is made of love, and cannot be shattered by human fears.
Here Angelique is referring to the structure of the Universe, i.e.,
love.
>
GENE'S RESPONSE:
I'll buy that! But I wonder, would Stephen Hawking, et al, buy
it? They seem to think the universe is made up of dark matter,
neutrinos, whatever. Since I'm not a scientist, I would hope that
Kurt and Harsha would step in and straighten us out. Is the
structure of the Universe made of Love or is it made of neutrinos,
dark matter, and such stuff? Please tell us!!!
GENE SAID TO GLORIA:
>> I also recall the many,experiments conducted by Duke University,
>>and others, even at Princeton University, on psychic power, trying
>>to demonstrate how much power our thoughts have to influence events, even
other people. As of this date, however, no experiments of this nature have
>>proved conclusive.
MS. SERPENT SAYS:
> Yes, they have. There was an extensive study done recently, 1996?
Proving >that prayer speeds healing. No matter what the faith, no matter if
the patient >and the pray-er know each other beyond an ID number. No matter
if the person >knows they are being prayed for.
> I believe it was done in New York. Perhaps someone on the list can
>provide a reference.
> It matters not, tho, what proof is shown to those who choose to be blind.
>If science wanted paranormal, crop circles would have done it. There is
>plenty of crop circle research that is compeletly unexplainable.. but the
>appearance of crop circles, has thus far most popularly been used to sell
>candy.
>
GENE'S RESPONSE:
I remember the study you are referring to. Pardon me for saying,
but I don't think the research proved conclusively that prayer
speeds healing. If it had, then many hospitals would be holding
prayer sessions. But now Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center, in
New York, is instituting similar studies, etc. So you are correct
to some extent, and I do hope for the sake of us all, that such
studies continue and greatly multiply. But no matter. I believe
in the power of prayer, definitely.
MS. SERPENT SAYS:
>>
> Guess what, Gene.. it works however you believe it does, but only for
>you. For someone else, it might work completely differently. We all think
>different thoughts..
GENE SAYS:
I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say "it works."
But I agree, we all do think different thoughts, or sometimes we
think the same thoughts differently.
MS. SERPENT SAYS:
>
> On the other hand, if you tire of being a one man band, why not hook up
>with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi? He has his own university in Indiana, which
>has been doing heaps of this kind of research for years, and courting the
>best scientific talents.. and is aggressively getting involved with
>politics, with candidates running in every country in the world.
>
GENE'S RESPONSE:
I have been in contact and correspondence with the top scientists at
the Maharishi International University. It is in Fairfield, Iowa. Some
years back,they sent me a stack of scientific papers about 5 inches thick.
I read them all. Very interesting. They showed that TM meditation causes
different
changes in the body.
At the time I was in touch with the TM people, they were not doing any
research on Kundalini---just on TM meditation.
It might not be relevant, but our body/brain registers a lot of
changes whenever we do anything--breathe/not breathe, think/not
think, relax, work, play, etc. The body and brain are always changing
in response to what we are doing and thinking. Some changes are just too
subtle to measure, others not.
I have an interesting story. In 1967 or 68, Gopi Krishna and the
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi met in Srinagar, Kashmir. They had a discussion
about TM meditation in front of approximately 2,000 people. I cannot
reveal just how the discussion went, but it went! Several years later,
the Government of India convened a "Yoga and Science Conference" in
New Delhi. Many top Yogis and scientists were in attendance. Gopi
Krishna spoke. I have his speech if anyone wishes to read it. In
fact, if there is any interest, I would not mind scanning it (the
conference was taped, transcribed and published in book form) and
putting it on the Internet, after I return from my journey. (I'm
leaving next week.)
The reason why I brought this up is because Gopi Krishna has been
advocating scientific research on Kundalini since 1967, and after that
date, he met twice with the Maharishi. Subsequently, I have been in
touch with the TM scientists. So it is not that I wish to be a one
man band. As a matter of fact, I cannot even play the piano.
MS. SERPENT SAYS:
>Not only that, but the first Vedaland is opening soon near you, in Niagra
>falls. Clever man, that Maharishi.. bring the mountain to mohammed..
>Namaste. To get someone to listen, you must first capture their attention.
>Bread and circuses. Everybody from Gene to the Salvation army know, feed
>first, talk conversion later.
> Even me.. lead them by the penis, to open the heart.. and give them back
>to Goddess.. or whatever their heart says it is, depending on who they
>are.. God, pure energy, Love, Light.. Jesus.. except mebbie Moira.. :)
GENE'S RESPONSE:
"Feed first, conversion later" is a "truism" new to me. I knew that
the sword was quite effective in converting people to a new or different
religion, but I was honestly not aware that food had that much
conversion power. The sword works quite well, indeed, always
has.
MS. SERPENT SAYS:
>
> They say, in the circles that I move, that the unkindest thing a
>Master/Mystress can do to their slave, is to die on them. I suspect, that
>if the Master is an awakened being capable of moving beyond death, the
>attachment is even harder to break, because there is more hope that the
>Master will return to provide more direction.
GENE'S RESPONSE:
This statement is not clear. Do you mean "die" in the sense that
a car's engine might die, leaving the drive in a lurch; or do you mean
that the Mystress might die on top of her slave, leaving him to
suffocate? Please clarify.
MS. SERPENT SAYS:
> Gene, my deepest sympathies for the death of your Master. He was a
>charismatic visionary, and ahead of his time. Your devotion to his
> vision, is admirable.
GENE'S RESPONSE:
In truth, dear Angelique, Gopi Krishna was not noted for his charisma;
As a visionary, yes; a man ahead of his time, yes. And thank you very
much for the compliment. I mean it sincerely.
MS. SERPENT SAYS:
> If you believe that He is still guiding your hand, consider perhaps that
>it was He who guided you here? So you may meet others, and discover that
>Kundalini is bigger and more diverse than one man's vison could possibly
>encompass, no matter how many well intentioned books he leaves behind. Each
>awakened one, must find their own path.. we cannot follow the vision of
>another. Your path has led you here, to these lists.
GENE'S RESPONSE:
Well spoken, Angelique. Somebody's hand certainly guided me here,
and what I am most grateful for is the tremendous response I've received
to my offer to send a packet of Kundalini reading material to anyone
who leaves his/her mailing address (gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com). That
alone--that terrific response--was far more than I ever expected,
and it has made me very happy. It is very difficult for anyone to
spend time reading postings on the Internet.
MS. SERPENT SAYS:
> Thou art God, Gene.. get out from under the tall shadow of Gopi Krishna.
> Look to the sunlight streaming from your own heart. There are no shadows
>there, no apocalypse to fear.
> The cup is half empty, or half full? Gopi's positive visions are
>happening, will be happening, bigger and better than even he could have
>foreseen. But we must focus on the beauty, to make it grow.
GENE'S REPONSE:
I've heard that said before. Still, it's good to hear it again.
Profound indeed.
MS. SERPENT SAYS:
> For me, the equation about science and K. is simple.
> Scientist: I'll believe it when I see it..
> Goddess: That sounds like a request..? Here ya go! Zap!
> Scientist, a few months later: I've been getting all these really wierd
>co-incidences lately, and the other night I heard the voice of my deceased
>Mother.. but I don't believe in the afterlife.. ???
>
> Blessings, Mystress.
>
>GENE'S RESPONSE:
I understand much of what you teach. But are you referring
to Dr. Carl Sagan when you say, "The other night I heard the voice
of my deceased Mother . . but I don't believe in the afterlife?"
Dr. Sagan (deceased of course) wrote an article for the "Skeptical
Enquirer" some years back in which he said virtually the same thing.
He said he would hear his mother calling him by name. This happened
several times after she died. But Carl did not believe in such
things. He thought the memory of his mother calling him by name
when she was alive was stored in his brain cells and that at certain
times the cells would "pop" out the voice, just as though his mother
were standing next to him.
And now, dear Angelique, I want to thank your once again for being so
forthright and candid. It's good to know that there is Wisdom (Sophia)
"out there on the Internet" that one can tap when needed.
May I be so bold as to ask you for your help in trying to make
the knowledge of Kundalini universally known?
With all best wishes,
gene
>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:54:12 EST
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Einstein
Message-ID: <34031723.34c52b16ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Gene,
It may interest you to know that, sometime after Einstein's death, his niece
admitted publicly that Uncle Albert had always kept a copy of Madame
Blavatsky's 1888 magnum opus "The Secret Doctrine" in the drawer of his desk.
I don't know whether you are familiar with the SD, but if not, it's 1200
pages of abstruse metaphysics in which Madame B. grapples with both
cosmogenesis and anthropogenesis, trying valiantly to reconcile science with
theology. Now why would he be interested an a book like that? <g>
Blessings,
Alan
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:29:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Mark Rivera <mrivera1ATnospamIDT.NET>
To: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
cc: gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Einstein
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Einstein believed in God and I find that there is a strong foundation in
science, particularly, Physics, that supports spirituality in one way or
another. He was a great man.
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:19:54 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: fransATnospamtelebyte.nl
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: URL/Re: Dangers of Pranayama-Kundalini Awakening/URL
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The following paper addresses the issues of Kundalini Awakening through
meditation and pranayama and also through regulated sensuality. It also gives
important hints and cautions. Students of Kundalini Yoga will find it
extremely useful---Harsha
<< Hello Harsha, here's the adress:
http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini
Greetings from Holland, Harsha, Frans. >>
Thank you very much Fran and God bless you for your kindness.
Harsha
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:24:54
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, nkognitoATnospamtcon.net
Subject: Re: introduction
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Sherry wrote:
>Well on one especially bad night, dark night of the soul if you want
>to call it that, I heard the voice of Mother Mary. She basically told
>to believe with all my heart that God loved me and everything would be
>alright. And she was right.
Yup. Trust to Goddess' love, however you percieve it.
>
>It was a very hard struggle for me. I could almost write a book
>myself on all the unusual things that have happen in the last year or
>so. Some of them you probably would not even believe.
Try us... not only will we believe, we will have similar stories to share.
>I decided that it must be here to stay and
>I might as well figure out how to focus and direct this energy in a
>more loving, positive way.
Yup. Surrender to Her plans for you. They are more joyous and vast than
anything you might think of, for yourself.
At 04:01 20/01/98 GMT, Jack wrote:
>Welcome to the list, Sherry.
>I wouldn't worry about not being believed, at least not here on this
>list. Some of us have teachers, gurus or inner voices that guide us.
>Mine is a real wisecracker, so much so I'm thinking about naming her
>Loki as she won't tell me what her name is.
Loki is a very mischevious being, ... watch out.. you might end up
speaking to the Archetypal Loki instead. I don't think you really wanna do
that..
We name our pets, not the other way around.. instead of looking for a
name,(who?) try looking for a What. Limitless energy, unconditional love,
All that Is.. Holy spirit is not a name, it is a concept.
The soul voice coming from the heart is truly nameless. Mine got a little
impatient with my search for a name for it. It is limitless, ineffable, and
any name we put on it is a limitation. It is our connection with Diety, All
that Is.. but if we choose to see it as less, sometimes it accepts our
perceptions as part of the Free will agreement.
I needed to call it something, we humans like concepts to have
name-handles to grasp them by. We will never Grasp All that Is with our
limited minds, tho..
I settled on "Goddess" as a term to use, even aware that by gendering it,
I apply my mental limitations. All of the universe is in my heart, all that
is outside is inside.
However, having been raised Roman Catholic, "Goddess" differentiates for
me the difference between that patriarchal fire and brimstone judgemental
archetype, with a reminder that Diety is in me, and I am physically
gendered female. Spirit is androgyne. Mother Goddess, I can relate to as a
meditative concept.
When I speak of Goddess in my posts, I am referring to my inner voice,
but I am also referring to K., Shakti, Gaia, Creator, All That Is. That
which guides our path. The nameless Unity that is everyone and everything,
unconditional limitless love of which the universe is made.
I also call my yoni, Goddess, to remind me of it's sacredness.
The inner voice's resistance to being labeled, is so that we will expand
our concepts to see Diety in everyone and everything. It is not separate,
except in our limited preconceptions.
>Anyway, again, welcome. I'm sure you'll see that you came to the right
>place.
>Peace,
>Jack
Yes, Welcome to the community. Blessings, Mystress.
>
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at
different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
-- Clive James
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:17:02, -0500
From: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Healings with Hugs....
Message-Id: <199801210317.WAB19860ATnospammime4.prodigy.com>
Love to All of You....
Thought you could use this too! <S>
Please share with others....God Bless.
Love in Light...
Tom
HUG O' WAR
1998
>>
( ^ )_( ^ )( ^ )_( ^)
/ o o)(o o \
_ / ( | | ) \_
(_ / * * (_ )
/ |\
| | | | |
| | | \__/ |
\__/ | |
| | /
| \ / |
( _ / \ _ | __/ \ _ )
I will not play Tug O' War,
I'd rather play Hug O' War;
Where everyone hugs, instead of tugs,
And everyone giggles and rolls on the rug.
Where everyone kisses,
and everyone grins;
everyone cuddles,
and everyone wins.
*Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug*
*Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug*
*Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug*
*Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug*
<HUG>
You have just been hugged!!
That's right, there's no getting out of it this time!!
This is the start of a full-scale Hug O' War!
So hug everyone you know!!!
The hug is my favorite sign of affection.
It can mean so much, and many things at the same time.
It can be a sign of love, friendship, comfort or anything!
{{{{{{{{{{{ So here you go }}}}}}}}}}
All I can say it will do is brighten someone's day.
I mean, we all need a hug once in awhile.
So send this on if you'd like,
to anyone who may need a hug,
Send it back to whoever sent it to you,
Send it back to me!!
Goodness knows, we could all REALLY use a hug sometimes.
So send this on and show someone you care!!
HUG O' WAR
1998
____
It is the chiefest point of happiness that a man is willing to be
what he is.
--Desiderius
Erasmus
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:08:26
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Barbara Millikan <millikanATnospampnn.com>
Cc: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack), kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
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At 12:48 12/01/98 -0800, Barbara Millikan wrote:
>
>My intuition is that this sexuality is planetary connected and I am somehow
>supposed to be using it to - something - Gaia. I am not sure what.
>
I think the words you are looking for are "heal with love"
Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at
different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
-- Clive James
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:38:07 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-l-dATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: Ronel Grosvenor <icsdbn06ATnospamglobal.co.za>
Subject: Re: Kundalini - Cancer - Healing?
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Paul (Ronel Grosvenor <icsdbn06ATnospamglobal.co.za>) wrote:
> My name is Paul Grosvenor, I'm 24yrs old. Ive only recently joined the
> group.
Hi Paul: Didn't realize this was you until I came back looking for the
question.
>Basically my mother "Ronel" who is only 48yrs old was
> diagnosed with lung cancer last August. Her condition was quiet serious
> being told she had a 40% chance of recovery. Shes undergone 2 months of
> Chemo therapy and now is receiving Radiation therapy. Initially there was
a
> marked reduction in the size of her tumor but the Chemo was wrecking
havock
> on her already frail system - hence the change to Radiation.
> Basically the question that has obviously occurred to me is the
possibility
> of healing. Ive read that alot of spontaneous healings have taken place
> related to Kundalini. Basically I want to know if anyone has any
techniques
> or advices as to how / if possible, Kundalini energy can be directed to
> this end. ....
> My mother is not aware of Kundalini or my experiences of it and I
would'nt
> even begin to try explain it to her - she quiet frankly would not beleive
> it as this is the type of person she is.
If you were to use your hand(s) in healing, would she accept that, or is it
out of the question?
Either way, I have three other suggestions to make:
1) Prayer. If either of you belong to a church or any group that prays for
people, ask them for prayer for her. I've seen remarkable recoveries when
a number of people were praying for the sick person.
2) The Simonton Cancer Center. This is in California but they have an
on-line site: http://www2.lainet.com/~simonton/index.html
Many years ago Dr. Carl Simonton noticed the work being done with
biofeedback, and he wondered why, if the mind could make such changes in
the body, it couldn't step up the immune system. A man came to him with
inoperable throat cancer - he'd been told to set his affairs in order.
Simonton used radiation. He also explained how to meditate, told the man
exactly what to meditate on, and prescribed so many minutes so many times a
day. The tumor shrank and disappeared.
He went on with this work and later opened a clinic with his wife. They
noticed that cancer patients seemed to have certain similar aspects of the
personality, and they did work on "the cancer personality." In 1982 he
founded PNI International, a worldwide association of professionals in
psychoneuroimmunology.
His book, "Getting Well," is available from the website at $6.99. There's
also a more recent book, but I haven't read it. They offer other materials
and tapes, too.
A friend of mine had inoperable brain cancer - they took a look and closed
up her head. Her husband ordered a packet of material from Simonton and
also asked many people to pray for her. She recovered completely and is
still alive many years later. When their son was found to have leukemia,
they responded in the same way, and he was cured.
3) Devices on the Slim Spurling page: http://www.earthtransitions.com.
These are new to me, but they seem to have remarkable capacities. I know
they have been used to some extent in healing. I've already sent an email
asking if any of their devices have been used in the treatment of cancer
and, if so, which one they would recommend. I'll let you know when I get
an answer.
Love,
Ann
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 05:14:03 GMT
From: croaton1ATnospamyahoo.com (Croaton)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: nkognitoATnospamtcon.net
Subject: Re: introduction
Message-ID: <34cc70a0.42746234ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
Sherry wrote :
doesn't have a name either. In fact, the voice says "we" sometimes
which is sort of spooky, because I don't know who "we" is. Come to
think of it I am not sure who I am either. (ggg) Most of the time its
just a word or a sentence, never is a whole conversation. And I can't
always tell whether it is male or female voice, sort of both I guess.
Sorry I'm not familiar with "Loki" .
Then Mystress answered :
ous being, ... watch out.. you might end up
speaking to the Archetypal Loki instead. I don't think you really
wanna do that..
Then Jack replied :
At first I thought my teacher was female but then I got a specific
message that seem to come from an androgenous personality. Just
recently figured out they were both the same. As far as THE "Loki"
manifesting, no I don't think I would like that but it's a good
description none the less.
Sherry :
How long have you had the hightened awareness?
Jack :
Since last October. The manifestations bring with them a lot of angst
and turmoil, mostly because I can't share for fear of ridicule. Most
of all there is a deep sadness that I feel contains a lesson. I just
haven't been able to see my way through it yet.
Sherry :
And how accepting is this group about newbies asking questions?
Jack :
As I said, you came to the right place. The folks on this list
literally saved my life and it was only through several synchronous
events that I found them.
There is lively debate but no bickering as you'll find on other lists.
And I for one have learned more "truths" here on this list than from
any other source. Some of the folks may be considered extremely on the
edge but hey, how does the rest of the world see us ? I find them a
refreshing change and though I may not agree with them, they always
have something to teach.
So, jump in. The water's fine. : )>
Jack
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