1998/01/19 13:55
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #63
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 63
Today's Topics:
Fw: Throat Chakra - sleep [ "Ronel Grosvenor" <icsdbn06ATnospamglobal. ]
Re: Selfishness [ jaxx <jaxxATnospamihug.co.nz> ]
Fw: Kundalini - Cancer - Healing? [ "Ronel Grosvenor" <icsdbn06ATnospamglobal. ]
Re: The Politics of Meditation and K [ ritag39ATnospamix.netcom.com ]
Re: Broadcast [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: Broadcast [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Avatar [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Science [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: HRTZEN: Science [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: physical in alignment with expan [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Broadcast [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Ramakrishna again [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:56:14 +0200
From: "Ronel Grosvenor" <icsdbn06ATnospamglobal.co.za>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Fw: Throat Chakra - sleep
Message-Id: <199801192003.WAA00460ATnospammail.global.co.za>
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> From: Ronel Grosvenor <icsdbn06ATnospamglobal.co.za>
> To: kundalini-1ATnospamlists.execpc.com
> Subject: Throat Chakra - sleep
> Date: Monday, 19 January, 1998 6:22 PM
>
>
> Dear Anne M.Fisher
>
> Most pleased to hear someone else knows what i'm talking about. This
> maintaining consciousness into sleep I have heard about a long time ago.
I
> have been having lucid dreams as long as i could remember but always
wanted
> more and realized the only way to achieve this effectively would be to
> maintain consiousness from waking state. I don't focus on an image but
> pretend i'm just naturally falling asleep just "letting myself go" on
every
> level. The trick is not to get to worked up about the whole situation ie
> not to conscious and on the other hand not to lose consciousness. A whole
> range of symptoms let me know i'm gradually getting there and they do
seem
> to have a general pattern or sequence from feet upwards. I agree with you
> that eventually my consciousness does seem to be situated in my head and
> more specifically my inner visual field is directly between my two eyes
> sort of squinted and where the 6th chakra would be located.
>
> I agree you do have a choice as to wether to enter dreams or not.
sometimes
> i just get these awesome body distortions where my legs or arms get
pulled
> about by some force and often completely off the bed. The last few months
> ive managed enter a comletely different state usually from a lucid dream
> environment i totally relax "everything" mentally physically whatever...
In
> the same way as I fall asleep consciously I do the same thing while in a
> lucid dream just blank my mind and "let go everything" and the dream
seems
> to dissolve away and I even seem to lose awarenes of my dream body. I
seem
> to enter a disemboided state but there is a sensation of constant
movement
> or rapid flying. No specific images just a grey to black sometimes white
> visual field but this state seems to be estatically blissful and
> pleasurable. Often thoughts will intrude and then i cannot maintain this
> state and dream images and sounds arise out of this state and its only
> after i've completely relaxed and blanked my mind again that i can enter
> the state again.
>
> I know others have described this state calling it "pure consciousness" -
> Ive also experienced the process of going from lucid dream down to pure
> consciousness but as if in slow motion and it was most interesting as it
> also occurs in stages where imagery first looses complexity becomming
> abstract and loses colour. then sounds disappear and eventually
everything
> dissolves down into this "pure consciousness" on that particular occasion
I
> had taken a sleeping drug (Temazepam) which i think caused this strange
> effect.
>
> Often in the strange state between waking and complete sleep and
conscious
> dreaming often before images form but usually after i've begun to hear
> strange noises I often get these "unseen attacks" which is the only way
to
> describe them. I get strange pullings in various regions of my body
> (similar to loosening sensations when falling asleep) but these grow more
> and more intense until they are painful pulling sensations and prodding
> sensations that are very painful. I get these very often and for a long
> time they really worried me but i discovered i could eventually escape
them
> by going down to pure consciousness. What do you suppose is the cause of
> this. Ive also noted they seem to be primarily centered in regions of my
> spine, particularly coccyx and unfortunately for me tthe genital region
as
> well. Ever since they first began i wondered wether there wasn't a
> connection with "k" symptoms. Incidentally ive tried everthing like just
> ignoring them or "trying to make friends" with them. I realize they are
> obviously some construction of my mind or possibly "k" symptoms either
way
> they come from "wihin". I dont always want to go down to pure
consciousness
> to escape them and like i has last night i couldn't even do that. I
> couldn.t relax or give myself up enough and was trapped in this
tortourous
> state not able to go down any futher to pure consciousness and not
wanting
> to go up to wakefulness. besides sometimes i can't even wake up or end up
> in a bewildering series of false awakenings.
>
> I assume you are a "k" person and where do you figure "k" fits into the
> whole picture of consious dreaming. Iv'e had "k" experiences from waking
> state but most of them seem to occur after waking from lucid dream or
> sometimes from within one. Either way when in the sleep state and
conscious
> I have greater awareness of chakras ect.. There definately is some
> connection.
>
> sorry i have typing diarrhea.
> cheers Paul
>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:05:19 +1300
From: jaxx <jaxxATnospamihug.co.nz>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Selfishness
Message-Id: <199801192005.JAA18539ATnospamchong.ihug.co.nz>
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Previously written:
>>dear list...
>
>>IMHO...
>
>>it DOESNT matter how we get from point A to point B...all that matters is
>that
>>we ARRIVE...
> > ...S. C. Stoner...
>
>
>And if we destroy others in the process? That alright too? Without much
>qualification, only a selfish fool could subscribe to such a limited view.
>
>Alan
>
Interesting to note that what S.C. Stoner wrote was a simple comment yet the
one you wrote Alan was the one that attacked and put someone down...
Meeting a disagreement with a force of words intended to put oneself over
the other tends to escasalate things in my view... Everyone has a right to
their own opinion... and self responsibility fits in here too...
regards
...jacqueline
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:01:07 +0200
From: "Ronel Grosvenor" <icsdbn06ATnospamglobal.co.za>
To: "kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Fw: Kundalini - Cancer - Healing?
Message-Id: <199801192006.WAA00813ATnospammail.global.co.za>
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> From: Ronel Grosvenor <icsdbn06ATnospamglobal.co.za>
> To: kundalini-l-requestATnospamlists.execpc.com
> Subject: Kundalini - Cancer - Healing?
> Date: Monday, 19 January, 1998 7:24 PM
>
> Dear Group,
>
> My name is Paul Grosvenor, I'm 24yrs old. Ive only recently joined the
> group. This question may be copletely off the current topics but the
nature
> of the problem is quiet serious and any help I could receive would
greatly
> be appreciated. Basically my mother "Ronel" who is only 48yrs old was
> diagnosed with lung cancer last August. Her condition was quiet serious
> being told she had a 40% chance of recovery. Shes undergone 2 months of
> Chemo therapy and now is receiving Radiation therapy. Initially there was
a
> marked reduction in the size of her tumor but the Chemo was wrecking
havock
> on her already frail system - hence the change to Radiation.
> Basically the question that has obviously occurred to me is the
possibility
> of healing. Ive read that alot of spontaneous healings have taken place
> related to Kundalini. Basically I want to know if anyone has any
techniques
> or advices as to how / if possible, Kundalini energy can be directed to
> this end. In some of my recent Kundalini episodes (for want of a better
> word) this question has occurred to me and i've been overwhelmed with
> powerful emotions of anger and determination to somehow bring about a
> healing. Funny when in these states (buzzing, heat waves, white light -
> movement up spine) ive intuitively felt that I could heal my mother in
fact
> Ive felt certain that I could. Perhaps someone knows which particular
> chakras would be used for this. Another problem is that i'm dubious about
> the state of my own wellbeing with respect to Kundalini and my chakras.
The
> last two times had these experiences I felt completely off balance
mentally
> and intuited at the time that there were "problems" with my base and
heart
> chakras.
>
> My mother is not aware of Kundalini or my experiences of it and I
would'nt
> even begin to try explain it to her - she quiet frankly would not beleive
> it as this is the type of person she is.
> Any advice would be gladly appreciated
> Thank you
> Paul
>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:20:42 -0600 (CST)
From: ritag39ATnospamix.netcom.com
To: gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Cc: TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Politics of Meditation and Kundalini Research-A
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On 01/19/98 09:43:58 you wrote:
>
>Dear Harsha,
>
> Good idea. I remember having two lengthy discussions about TM with
>one of the Maharishi's long-time disciples. Everyone knows his name
>and his book, but in the present context, I don't wish to mention
>either of them at this juncture. What I do want to say is that this
>close disciple, and amateur scientist, told me point blank that he
>had never heard of Kundalini. When I attempted to explain that it
>had to do with energy rising up from the base of the spine into
>the brain, he almost fell off his chair laughing. He just could
>not imagine such a phenomenon.
>><< For example, the Maharishi
>> institute has published a number of interesting papers on meditation that
>>have been
>> completely ignored. That's not good, it's not bad, it just is. Everything
>>in its
>> time.
>> >>
>>Harsha writes: I don't think those papers have been completely ignored. The TM
>>research studies are incremental but useful, although some methodological
>>issues have been raised by "outsiders" who are not part of the TM group. Jon
>>Kabat Zinn and others have also done work on how mindfulness (as a meditation
>>technique) has various physical and psychological benefits. What is truly
>>astonishing is how the exponents of various meditation techniques compete with
>>each other both in the "scientific" and the "spiritual" realms for recognition
>>with every group claiming they have the best technique! My suggestion to Gene
>>would be to hook up with one of these groups and have them evaluate and fund
>>his proposal. All Gene would probably be required to do would be to declare
>>that "Technique A" has been found to be the best technique for reducing
>>stress, increasing creativity, beauty and a general feeling of well being and
>>of course for fullly raising the Kundalini to the Sahasrara, resulting in
>>(you guessed it) Cosmic Consciousness!
>>
>>Harsha
>>
>>
>
>
>
Dear Friends,
TM is a classic Hindu mantra meditation in modern times. Maharishi is artful in his avoidance of
Sanskrit terms and uses scientific findings to validate meditation in a society filled with
skepticism. Although "samadhi" is also a goal in TM, Maharishi no longer describes it in these
terms but rather describes it as "Transcendental Consciousness". The increasing "charm" of the
mind to naturally seek "a field of greater happiness" by entering the subtler states of
consciousness, one gradually infuses transcendental consciousness into the waking, dreaming, and
sleep states, utimately, achieving "cosmic consciousness". TM's theory is the "Science of
Creative Intelligence", and traces its root back to Sankaracharya's Advait school of Vedantic
thought, but is tailored for Western ears. It is true that many TM meditators are not familar
with the terminology of "kundalini". However, everything unfolds in proper sequence, and through
experience one begins to recognize and validate their experiences. As a long term TM meditator
and a subscriber of this k-list, I have realized that all spiritual teachings may have the same
experience but can be expressed differently. I joined this kundalini list to open my awareness
to the uniqueness that others bring to this list and share the knowledge and insight that is
available by many willing people on this list.
Sincerely,
Rita
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:25:34 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
CC: HeartZen <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>,
Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Broadcast
Message-ID: <34C32A1D.403CATnospamintercomm.com>
David Bozzi wrote:
>
>
> >
> > GG
> > They won't be able to understand this with this place of the brain, I
> > would be certain that the part of the brain that wants that information
> > will be simply shut down.
>
> It will be 'transformed'.
Yes, that was the word I was reaching for, thanks. GG
--
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:45:09 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
CC: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Broadcast
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Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
>
> >GG:
> >... This state pretty much shuts down the frontal part
> >of the brain, and one lives in a very quiet spot inside that only
> >witness's to the life around it....
> >>
> >>Gene Since then, scientists
> >> have arrived at more or less of a consensus (about 95%) that the universe
> >> will go on expanding forever.
> >
> >GG
> >They won't be able to understand this with this place of the brain, I
> >would be certain that the part of the brain that wants that information
> >will be simply shut down.
GG
Actualy the word here I was reacing for was transformed not shut down.
And, of course I understand what people say as scientist... it just
doesn't have any meaning to me in terms of being held in the mind, it
just slides on through. Now if there is some reason to bring that
information back it comes without effort, but it is simply information.
I am not attached to that thought in any way, it is nothing more then a
thought.
> >>
> >>Gene ...We all enjoy speculating about various things, whether we
> >>speculate about
> >> God, the Devil, or the Nature of the invisible universe. As yet, the
> >> scientific data is lacking on which is which.
> >
> >GG
> >...What I'm explaining is about a higher dimension that
> >what you want to live out of, and I quite clearly can not live in that
> >place in the least. It doesn't exist for me. That part of my brain has
> >been put to sleep and there isn't a cell in my body that has use for it.
>
> I am troubled by a method that apparently works to shut down part of the
> brain. Do you really mean, Gloria, that you CANNOT understand a statement
> like "Scientists have arrived at more or less of a consensus (about 95%)
> that the universe will go on expanding forever"? And you CANNOT
> understand speculation "about God, the Devil, or the Nature of the
> invisible universe"? Because part of your brain is shut down, put to
> sleep? This is not healthy. It's one thing to say that it's best to live
> in the moment and simply take notice of what comes and goes. It's quite
> another to try to make your brain incapable of doing anything else.
Gg
There is no trying to do with anything, it is what leaves in the
transformation process, it becomes something far more conscious then
what it was and has the understanding in place to deal with it as is.
>
> When a man begins living in the intuition (or on the intuitive plane) - as
> his normal state, that is - his intellect drops below the level of
> consciousness. This does not means that his brain is impaired or that his
> intellect is gone. In fact, the intellect works faster because it works
> subconsciously. When a question comes to the man, his intellect does the
> work - SUBCONSCIOUSLY - and the answer pops into his consciousness. If he
> wants to trace back and discover the train of reasoning, he can do it, but
> usually he doesn't bother.
GG
Of course but those things that are important to the ego centered
consciousness and that of the God realized consciousness is very
different.
>
> It also means that he doesn't have to live with the constant chatter of the
> intellect going on in his head.
GG
That is gone completely, and the real magic is to be in that silence
which is ongoing without effort, and filled with divine awareness at the
same time. This is the peace that passes understanding.
>
> Ann
--
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Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:09:24 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Avatar
Message-ID: <34C33460.95FATnospamintercomm.com>
Chris Hughes wrote:
>
> Dear Souls
> The Avatar of our age is here and has been for over 70 years. Sathya
> Sai Baba.I first read about him three years ago in "Sai Baba the
> Embodiment of Love" ISBN 0-946551-52-9 The book maintained that he
> has done every thing that Jesus did, so I went to Putaparti in India
> Christmas 96 to find out for myself and saw him produce a Bible out
> of thin air in front of a crowd of 60.000. It is said He has in
> excess of 5o Million Devotees and on His birthday last year there
> were over 1 Million on His ashram (fed free). As a result of this
> experience last October I went to the Third Eye Institute in India to
> see Gurigi an elightened Guru who is God realized through Kundalini
> and as a result of this my Kundalini is awkened. I have from time to
> time during meditation a ringing in my ears [more of a buzz]. I am
> wary of "Gurus" who charge for their services and hasten to add that
> this was not the case. I have also read Conversations 1 & 2 and would
> like to believe it true but I think the important thing is that as a
> sign of our times books such as these are making the best selling
> lists. I believe that we are on the verge of a giant step forward in
> the evolution of man kind.
> Baba has said that this is the best time in the history of man for
> individual spiritual progress because He a Full Avatar is here. This
> would possibly explain why so many of us are having K awakening with
> relativly little efort.
> In love and respect for the many views expressed here.
> Chris
> Sai Ram
HI Chris,
Glad you came forward to speak of Sai Baba, you will likely get some
pretty harsh criticism however. We do live in a very remarkable time
thought don't we?
--
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Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:36:27 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
CC: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Science
Message-ID: <34C33AB6.6EA4ATnospamintercomm.com>
Gene Kieffer wrote:
>
> Dear Gloria,
>
> Your elucidation regarding "experience" versus objective science
> has been enlightening. I would recommend it to others on the K-list
> but that would be unnecessary, inasmuch as they already know as much
> through their own direct experience.
Gg
They received it and I have heard from quite a few of them.
>
> I would, however, like very much to call attention to the following
> paragraph from "Devatma Shakti, Kundalini, Divine Power," a book written
> by Swami Vishnu Tirtha, who attained Nirvana on the 1st October, 1969.
> Swami Tirth writes:
>
> "How these [Hathayoga] execises [as perfomed by Kundalini]are
> connected with the rousing of the Kundalini is a matter for research,
> Although various attempts are being made to explain their action on
> the nervous plexuses, they are generally based on vague speculations.
> Unfortunately we have yet no institution worth the name where a
> batch of ardent and sincere students, with a good knowledge of
> anatomy and physiology, with their Kundalini aroused could take up
> the research work in that direction. Generally anatomists and
> physiologists are quite ignorant of and indifferent to this sphere
> of study."
I'm not familiar with this book, I will check it out.
>
> I recommend this book, "Devatma Shakti," by Swami Tirtha, to all
> the K-people on the K-list. It can be obtained, I am sure, through
> Kurt. It explains a lot about Kundalini in clear, concise English.
> And as mentioned, the author, Swami Tirtha, attained Nirvana.
>
> Swami Tirtha mentions a "batch of ardent and sincere students"
> with their Kundalini aroused, could take up the research work in
> that direction, i.e., to verify the existence of Kundalini in a
> manner acceptable to the intellect, or science.
>
> I recommend the book, and I hope that you will recommend it, too.
>
> Sincerely,
> gene
>
--
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Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:37:41 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
CC: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Science
Message-ID: <34C33B00.56ECATnospamintercomm.com>
Gene Kieffer wrote:
>
> Dear Gloria,
>
> Your elucidation regarding "experience" versus objective science
> has been enlightening. I would recommend it to others on the K-list
> but that would be unnecessary, inasmuch as they already know as much
> through their own direct experience.
GG
Is this your responce to what I wrote to you?
>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:31:03 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: RadiantTch <RadiantTchATnospamaol.com>
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: physical in alignment with expanded consciousness
Message-ID: <34C33973.4D2EATnospamintercomm.com>
RadiantTch wrote:
>
> Dear family,
>
>
> I am having a bit of a time experiencing "being" an expanded
> awareness/consciousness (loving observer with no judgement) along WITH tending
> to the business of everyday living of my particular human focus.
Gg
Your life is set up so that you have the perfect tests right in your
path, so this very situation is exactly what you are being taught
through.
Part of me
> (heck, MOST of me!) wants to "stay" in that awareness space, and not be
> physical at all. I am aware that I am ALSO a physical human being which
> requires some focus on the details of life, rather than (or in addition to)
> the big picture, or expansiveness.
GG
It is in getting into that heart center and learning its frequency that
will guide you, when you have something that takes you into your I, me,
my...you will know it since your frequency will change. But, that also
will tell you what areas of your life are the really difficult ones for
you to be detached from. It is all the process, and when you are
sincere, you will be taken to the help you need. And, also when your
centered in the heart center you will notice that you are free of
thoughts and frustrations of all kinds. This tells you that you need
your meditation and direct communications with God on going. Hope this
helps.
> Barbara Ellen
--
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Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:11:26 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: RadiantTch <RadiantTchATnospamaol.com>
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Broadcast
Message-ID: <34C334DA.2F07ATnospamintercomm.com>
RadiantTch wrote:
>
>
> << Again has nothing to do with right or wrong, it has to do with
> consciousness. Those who are in the divine Will consciousness don't know
> or care or judge what is going to happen because that only takes you
> into another frequency that can only exist through the solar plexus.
> Those things right and wrong, simply don't exist in this state of the
> movement. Harsha, Indra, do you relate to what I am saying? >>
>
> I resonate very well to your whole post, Gloria. Thank you for explaining it
> so well. Those of us who have had the experience know exactly what you are
> saying, and that it is true. Your response was a joy to read!
>
> Barbara Ellen
Actually Barbara, Gene drew those words out with the perfect questions
and responces, but it is something that needs to be said. It is really
the essence of the teaching... the life and flow. It isn't just the
inner experiences, vision, etc. it is how it changes the entire
consciousness. Gloria
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Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:23:09 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
CC: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamdragontree.com>, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ramakrishna again
Message-ID: <34C3298C.D3BATnospamintercomm.com>
anandajyoti wrote:
Gloria here: Isn't it wonderful that we have people who are from the
country to keep our storeis straight. Thanks.
>
> Mary Ezzell wrote:
>
> > At 11:46 AM 1/18/98 EST, Afperry wrote:
> > >Dear Gene,
> > >You said:
> > > > "We create our own reality" makes me wonder why Ramakrishna and
> > >>Ramanamaharshi wanted to "create their own reality" by dying of
> > >>cancer <snipped>
> > Afperry wrote>
> > >passed away as a result of taking on the karma of his devotees. This caused
> > >his throat cancer.
> > Mary wrote>
> > Heard a story that his devotees wanted him to pray for the cancer to be
> > cured, so he went into trance adn visited Heaven, <snipped>After several tiems
> > he remembered to ask and the Great
> > Mother said: "Why do you care about this throat? You have all the throats
> > in the world." So he died and went to heaven instead.
> >
> >
> >
>
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