1998/01/19 07:52
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #61
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 61
Today's Topics:
Non-Attachment [ Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net> ]
Re: self defence [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: Broadcast [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Correction [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re. Re. DIRECTION [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
Fwd: "Conversatins" [ Fastchnges <FastchngesATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: new member [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
Meditation and Prayer [ Ray Morel <r.morelATnospamsympatico.ca> ]
Quote of the day [ Jim Cook <jimcATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: Broadcast [ RadiantTch <RadiantTchATnospamaol.com> ]
Avatar [ Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co. ]
Circles [ Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> ]
Re: Meditation and Prayer [ Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com> ]
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:10:29 -0600
From: Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net>
To: AF <morgandATnospamerols.com>
Subject: Non-Attachment
Message-ID: <34C2EE55.6A6AATnospamgte.net>
Hi... here is a brief story of non-attachment... hope you enjoy :)
***
Non-attachment is not concerned with things....but with thoughts
Non-attachment is not related to the outside....but to the within
Non-attachment is not to do with the world....but with oneself
One day a beggar went to see a Sufi fakir and found him seated on velvet
cushion inside a beautiful tent with it's ropes tied to golden pegs in
the
ground.
Seeing all this the beggar cried:What is all this!
I have heard so much about you and your spirituality and non-attachment
but
I am completely disillusioned by all this ostentation around you.
The fakir laughed and immediately jumped up and said Let's go and walked
off with the beggar not even waiting to put on his sandals.
After a while the beggar was distressed.
"I left my begging bowl in your tent. What shall I do without it? Please
wait while I go back and fetch it."
The Sufi roared in laughter. My friend said he," the gold pegs of my
tent
were stuck in the earth, not in my heart;
but your begging bowl is still chasing you."
To be in the world is not attachment
The presence of the world in the mind is the attachment
and when the world disappears from the mind-
this is non-attachment.
In zikr
Sandeep
*********
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votes received... the voting site is :
http://204.227.15.7/scripts/hallofame.idc
scroll about 3/4 of the way down... her name is Skye... thanks :)
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*********
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:43:43 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
CC: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: self defence
Message-ID: <34C2F611.1A529B10ATnospamgeocities.com>
Peswani wrote:
> Shahanshah has been accused of these four points from various list members
> <Snipped>
Anandajyoti>
Dear Peswani Bhai !
How do you perceive that you have been accused of anything? Don't you think that
thoughts are playing a game with you. Humans as we are, oftentimes perceive in
error. That is nothing to be looked down upon. In this three dimensional world, we
also need to learn how to relate to others. All have not become the Shahanshah as
you have. Each one of us have different experiences, which we may share with love,
compassion and fellowship.
. If we wish that others would recognize us, then it is expectation of something in
return for your free will sharing. Don't you think so?
"What worse indictment than to be spoken well of by everyone and to have no
opposition." It does not happen that way. Does it?
> I am sure, all your sharing has been taken by the list with compassion, humor
> and also a grain of salt. But that is the external reality we live in, and must
> live through and in the process we learn some, and unlearn some. Unless we become
> open to accepting the accolades and the brickbats in good humor and accept them
> as they are, and respect the opinions of others too, in the process, we would
> always feel belittled and lonely, as if put in isolation by others. But if we
> become really open and communicate with repsect of others opinion and
> perspectives. then I am sure this will and does go a long way, in making the
> worst the worst of enemies, the best of friends.
All of us , I am sure go through the periods of loneliness, which is also okay, and
should we not wait for the Universe to work it out.? During the course of a day
alone we go through the up and downs of the play of consciousness, and if you
observe them, then you may definitely have a hearty laugh, and that laughter itself
will change the consciousness around. I have tried it many times and it does work.
Each of us are but just an actor, in the Divine Play. As long as we play our roles
well, then our work is done. Just like the actors, after the days play is over,
they return home to their family and loved ones, and there become themselves again,
as to who they really are.
I know that Buddhists do not believe in a soul, or the atman, they have , I think
the term Anatman (negation of atman). After the day is over be what you are inside,
and during the day do all the work , always knowing who you are inside, and relate
to people with love, compassion and understanding, respecting all others for their
opinions and perspectives.
I think that would serve you well in your loneliness and pain you are currently
going through. I pray for your fast recovery from the pain and loneliness.
With my best wishes,
Anandajyoti.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:04:16 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
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Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Broadcast
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>GG:
>... This state pretty much shuts down the frontal part
>of the brain, and one lives in a very quiet spot inside that only
>witness's to the life around it....
>>
>>Gene Since then, scientists
>> have arrived at more or less of a consensus (about 95%) that the universe
>> will go on expanding forever.
>
>GG
>They won't be able to understand this with this place of the brain, I
>would be certain that the part of the brain that wants that information
>will be simply shut down.
>>
>>Gene ...We all enjoy speculating about various things, whether we
>>speculate about
>> God, the Devil, or the Nature of the invisible universe. As yet, the
>> scientific data is lacking on which is which.
>
>GG
>...What I'm explaining is about a higher dimension that
>what you want to live out of, and I quite clearly can not live in that
>place in the least. It doesn't exist for me. That part of my brain has
>been put to sleep and there isn't a cell in my body that has use for it.
I am troubled by a method that apparently works to shut down part of the
brain. Do you really mean, Gloria, that you CANNOT understand a statement
like "Scientists have arrived at more or less of a consensus (about 95%)
that the universe will go on expanding forever"? And you CANNOT
understand speculation "about God, the Devil, or the Nature of the
invisible universe"? Because part of your brain is shut down, put to
sleep? This is not healthy. It's one thing to say that it's best to live
in the moment and simply take notice of what comes and goes. It's quite
another to try to make your brain incapable of doing anything else.
When a man begins living in the intuition (or on the intuitive plane) - as
his normal state, that is - his intellect drops below the level of
consciousness. This does not means that his brain is impaired or that his
intellect is gone. In fact, the intellect works faster because it works
subconsciously. When a question comes to the man, his intellect does the
work - SUBCONSCIOUSLY - and the answer pops into his consciousness. If he
wants to trace back and discover the train of reasoning, he can do it, but
usually he doesn't bother.
It also means that he doesn't have to live with the constant chatter of the
intellect going on in his head.
Ann
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:22:54 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Correction
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My typo! It's "Yoga Sutras" by Patanjali.
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 05:57:09 EST
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re. Re. DIRECTION
Message-ID: <cb897a2.34c33188ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Gene,
Thank you for your thought-provoking reply. May I return with a few comments:
GENE: >But we have failed to develop our spiritual side.....We've wandered off
the Path.
ALAN: So it would appear, but is that actually the case? Or is it simply that
we do not recognise the difficulties of the learning process as spiritual? To
me, all life is spiritual - even the bits that appear dramatically un-
spiritual! Once again, it's a matter of seeing the whole picture or just part
of it.
GENE: > Yes, I sincerely hope we learn. Trial and error, that's one way to
learn.
ALAN: I'm afraid it's the only real way. In other words, experiential learning
as opposed to just intellectual. It doesn't matter what you try to teach
humanity, it will mean nothing without a basis in human experience. Isn't that
the evidence from the lives of all the great masters that have come to guide
us? Didn't Buddha recognise this by actually advising people not to accept his
teaching without trying it out and seeing whether it resonated with them in
their lives? Isn't this the principal difference between spirituality and
religion?
GENE: > Or should we keep wandering in circles, I mean cycles, never learning
anything that might help our spiritual evolution?
ALAN: Is that possible? It may appear so superficially but I think not. We
cannot stop learning even if we wanted to.
GENE: >But again I ask, what about that school bus loaded with kindergarten
children that was hit by a train, killing all 45 of them? Were they the
architects of their own fate?
ALAN: I can feel your emotion in writing that. Naturally enough. But that's
precisely what makes it so difficult to enquire deeply into such matters. We
get too involved and lose our sense of dispassion. Gene, you see 45 innocent
young children losing their lives in an unfortunate accident: I see 45 old
souls fulfilling a karmic responsibility initiated in actions taken in
previous births. What about the Holocaust? What about the cot death baby? Why
did she win the Lottery not you? Why are you in a man's body not a woman's?
All these things boil down to the most fundamental question of our existence.
Look out of your window: do you see chaos out there, or do you see harmony and
Law? Look at the symmetry of the snowflake, the immaculate patterns of nature
around you, the intricate wonders of the human body; can you honestly see
chaos in these? Or do you see the workings of a most wondrous intelligence, a
cosmic order that pervades everything we are and do? It's easy to put things
down to chance or random intervention, but these are just ways of explaining
away the inequalities of life in a manner that remove us from responsibility.
How can life have any meaning if randomness is the rule? I repeat my
contention that we are the architects of circumstance, not its victims,
however unpalatable that may be for us to accept.
GENE: > In this cruel world, there is no blame?
ALAN: Why on earth should you even suggest that? Surely you do not think that
the law of karma entitles you to deny personal responsibility for your
actions, as though some act was inevitable, caused by an uncontrollable force
initiated in a past life? If that were the case, it's more than the criminal
justice system that would up the creek! That is just crude fatalism - although
I accept that it may be resorted to by some. On the contrary, karma is about
accepting full personal responsibility for everything we are and do, and at
all levels of being. The criminal justice system is part of that karmic
process in that it satisfies society's needs while imparting a lesson of sorts
to the soul that has transgressed society's laws. But there's a far more
important justice: we are punished BY our sins, not FOR them; in the same way
as we are rewarded BY our good deeds, not FOR them. No jealous god here, no
biased jury, no arbitrary judge: just simple action and reaction. Absolute
Law. "As ye sow, so shall ye reap".
Yes, of course it is even more difficult to see the application of this law
when we are dealing with large-scale events, such as war and genocide. We must
not forget that karma is collective. There is planetary karma, racial karma,
national karma, etc. etc. We are not as individual as we would like to make
out!
Incidentally, on this whole question of whether we create our own reality, may
I add that this is an experiential truth to me, not just a teaching. I can see
the application of this in my life very clearly. We are all creating all the
time. Every thought is a creation and it affects the whole ofthe rest of the
creation. The only problem is that people generally do not understand that
they have this faculty, nor do they have the focused power of mind required to
direct their lives consciously. But if only the world recognised this wisdom -
the whole package of karma and personal responsibility - the planet would
achieve the quantum leap in evolution you so desire almost overnight!
GENE: >When you say that "Evolution leads us inexorably back to our Source,"
are you speaking from experience or just conjecturing?
ALAN: I experience it in every inch of my being. We are the microcosm. What WE
are going through, so is the macrocosm. I KNOW I am returning to my Source.
Paradoxically, I also know I have never been separated from it, but I can't
prove that in any laboratory. This growth in consciousness is the whole
object of yoga and, of course, the hallmark of spiritual development through
sadhana. Gene, don't you feel that too? Or have you killed off your inner
awareness with too much worry about kundalini?.............;-)
GENE: > But that assumption is not scientific. We can know it to be true from
our own experience, but our own experience does not count in the scientific
arena.
ALAN: No, of course not, any more than scientific data counts in the realm of
the spirit. We are dealing with different levels of manifestation. The laws of
the physical can be investigated by appropriate scientific methods: the laws
of the spirit can also be investigated by suitable methods. In this case, the
laboratory is the human mind and the sages of yore discovered techniques of
introspection and meditation that enabled them to learn scientifically the
secrets of the spirit.
The results of some of this scientific research has subsequently been
published: they are called Upanishads <g>.
Whilst, I fully appreciate your desire to see spiritual matters subjected to a
scrutiny that will satisfy modern science, I for one am delighted that it will
never happen in a significant way. Just think of the consequences if you were
able to bottle kundalini like Coca Cola! Who do you think would benefit? The
average guy on the street? No way! And if he did get hold of it, his main
interest would be in selling it for a profit anyway! And what would Saddam
Hussein do with it? I'm sure he would be very grateful to the Kundalini
Research Foundation for its assistance in his war against the Great Satan.
Blessings,
Alan
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:00:07 EST
From: Fastchnges <FastchngesATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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In a message dated 98-01-18 20:15:15 EST, Fastchnges writes:
<<
Date: 98-01-18 20:15:15 EST
From: Fastchnges
To: gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com
CC: kundalini1ATnospamexecpc.com
dear list...
IMHO...
it DOESNT matter how we get from point A to point B...all that matters is
that we
ARRIVE...
...S. C. Stoner...
~namaste~
fastchnges
>>
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dear list...
IMHO...
it DOESNT matter how we get from point A to point B...all that matters is that
we
ARRIVE...
...S. C. Stoner...
~namaste~
fastchnges
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:58:52 EST
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: r.morelATnospamsympatico.ca
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: new member
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Welcome Tammy,
What you are experiencing sounds very much like classic kundalini in its
preliminary stages. That's fine. Others may disagree, but IMHO you do not need
to try to awaken K, it will awaken of its own accord at the right time (as it
already appears to be doing). By that I mean all you need to do is pursue your
spiritual path, whether that be meditation, devotion, etc. or a integrated
combination, and everything will gel in its own way and own time.
Meditation is much easier in a group, although solo is crucial too - ideally
do both. I would suggest trying to find a local group that you can join in
your nearby city, providing you resonate with the other members, of course.
Have you read 'Autobiography of a Yogi' by Yogananda/Self-Realization
Fellowship? If not, you should: it's a classic and very helpful for aspiring
yogis! As is 'How to Know God', a commentary on the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali
by Swami Prabhavananda of the Ramskrishna Mission; a very lucid introduction
to Raja Yoga, and also very practical.
Most important, go gently with compassion to yourself, good humour (very
necessary!) and with devotion and surrender to whatever you hold sacred. You
are never without guidance and love.
With blessings,
Alan
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:18:46 -0800
From: Ray Morel <r.morelATnospamsympatico.ca>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Meditation and Prayer
Message-ID: <34C36ED6.6885ATnospamsympatico.ca>
Hello all, thank you all so much for answering my questions yesterday.
I seem to be having difficulty in the area of prayer. You see, was
raised in the born again faith with a fire and brimstone picture of the
God my father believes in. Now, I don't think they believe in
meditation in thier faith, not from the standpoint that I was taught to
believe anyway. I was taught that Yoga and any other meditational
practice was very evil. Now my problem is this, I gave up on prayer
along time ago, when I was a child. I refuse to pray to the God I was
raised to believe in because I personally do not like the picture that
they paint of him, you know as the saying goes about religion - same
guilt, different holidays -
I spent my whole childhood feeling guilty, no good ,and definitely hell
bound.
So praying does not come very easily for me. Meditaion on the other
hand, seems to flow easily, but they are both supposed to go together
are they not. I know that some teachings believe in a higher source,
and I would like to as well, but what? Mother earth? The sun?
I cannot bring myself to pray to a God.
So where do I go from here? Is meditation dangerous if you do not have
a belief in God?
Actually ift is not that I do not have a belief in God, it is that I
refuse to have anything to do with him, oh this is very confusing I
know.
You see, believing in God has a way of really driving me over the
pschological deep end....
has anyone been here before?
I'm not sure how else to put it.
Who is your God? What is he like? Does he send you to hell if you do
not continually ask for forgiveness?
Just curious...
I hope I have not offended anyone in here, that is not my intent by any
means, I just need some clarification here
Thank You for listening to this little lost soul,
Love
Tammy
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 05:28:01 -0800
From: Jim Cook <jimcATnospamsonic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Quote of the day
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"Spiritual practice is not easy.
It's better not to begin unless
you intend to finish it.
The unfinished business will haunt you."
Chogyam Trungpa
Author of: "Born in Tibet"
"Careful with that box Pandora"
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:17:37 EST
From: RadiantTch <RadiantTchATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Broadcast
Message-ID: <4abce3ae.34c36083ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-18 22:29:15 EST, you write:
<< Again has nothing to do with right or wrong, it has to do with
consciousness. Those who are in the divine Will consciousness don't know
or care or judge what is going to happen because that only takes you
into another frequency that can only exist through the solar plexus.
Those things right and wrong, simply don't exist in this state of the
movement. Harsha, Indra, do you relate to what I am saying? >>
I resonate very well to your whole post, Gloria. Thank you for explaining it
so well. Those of us who have had the experience know exactly what you are
saying, and that it is true. Your response was a joy to read!
Barbara Ellen
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:37:10 GMT
From: Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Avatar
Message-ID: <1998011914371084101ATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
Dear Souls
The Avatar of our age is here and has been for over 70 years. Sathya
Sai Baba.I first read about him three years ago in "Sai Baba the
Embodiment of Love" ISBN 0-946551-52-9 The book maintained that he
has done every thing that Jesus did, so I went to Putaparti in India
Christmas 96 to find out for myself and saw him produce a Bible out
of thin air in front of a crowd of 60.000. It is said He has in
excess of 5o Million Devotees and on His birthday last year there
were over 1 Million on His ashram (fed free). As a result of this
experience last October I went to the Third Eye Institute in India to
see Gurigi an elightened Guru who is God realized through Kundalini
and as a result of this my Kundalini is awkened. I have from time to
time during meditation a ringing in my ears [more of a buzz]. I am
wary of "Gurus" who charge for their services and hasten to add that
this was not the case. I have also read Conversations 1 & 2 and would
like to believe it true but I think the important thing is that as a
sign of our times books such as these are making the best selling
lists. I believe that we are on the verge of a giant step forward in
the evolution of man kind.
Baba has said that this is the best time in the history of man for
individual spiritual progress because He a Full Avatar is here. This
would possibly explain why so many of us are having K awakening with
relativly little efort.
In love and respect for the many views expressed here.
Chris
Sai Ram
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:33:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
To: TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com
Cc: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, shalomATnospamcheerful.com, DonBBensonATnospamaol.com,
lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Subject: Circles
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Teresa Writes in part:
>Unlike evolution, the conversation on scientific research, scientific
method, etc,
>etc, has been going in circles for quite a while. One can only hope that
it loses
>just enough energy to leave its path, spiral in and come to a halt.
++++++++++++++++++++++
Dear Teresa,
I hope everyone reads your assessment of the scientific method, etc., because
it is sane, rational, and to the point. I agree with what you say.
My primary "mission" is to help make the knowledge of Kundalini widely
known. It should be published and universally distributed. To me, it is
important that what is already known about Kundalini be taught in schools
and universities.
Once the knowledge of Kundalini is made universal, then scientists (who
have also awakened Kundalini) can begin serious discussions as to how best
to verify its existence.
With all best wishes,
Gene
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:45:04 -0500
From: Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com>
To: r.morelATnospamsympatico.ca
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Meditation and Prayer
Message-ID: <34C366F0.4DF3ATnospamerols.com>
Ray Morel wrote:
>
> Hello all, thank you all so much for answering my questions yesterday.
> I seem to be having difficulty in the area of prayer. You see, was
> raised in the born again faith with a fire and brimstone picture of the
> God my father believes in. Now, I don't think they believe in
> meditation in thier faith, not from the standpoint that I was taught to
> believe anyway. I was taught that Yoga and any other meditational
> practice was very evil. Now my problem is this, I gave up on prayer
> along time ago, when I was a child. I refuse to pray to the God I was
> raised to believe in because I personally do not like the picture that
> they paint of him, you know as the saying goes about religion - same
> guilt, different holidays -
> I spent my whole childhood feeling guilty, no good ,and definitely hell
> bound.
> So praying does not come very easily for me. Meditaion on the other
> hand, seems to flow easily, but they are both supposed to go together
> are they not. I know that some teachings believe in a higher source,
> and I would like to as well, but what? Mother earth? The sun?
> I cannot bring myself to pray to a God.
> So where do I go from here? Is meditation dangerous if you do not have
> a belief in God?
> Actually ift is not that I do not have a belief in God, it is that I
> refuse to have anything to do with him, oh this is very confusing I
> know.
> You see, believing in God has a way of really driving me over the
> pschological deep end....
> has anyone been here before?
> I'm not sure how else to put it.
> Who is your God? What is he like? Does he send you to hell if you do
> not continually ask for forgiveness?
> Just curious...
> I hope I have not offended anyone in here, that is not my intent by any
> means, I just need some clarification here
> Thank You for listening to this little lost soul,
>
> Love
> Tammy
Dearest Tammy,
You certainly don't have to worry about offending anyone on this list
by what you have written here. You're much more likely to receive
welcomes and congratulations.
Meditation is the path to discovering who and what God is and who and
what you are in relation to That. Calling it evil is the work of those
who wish to control you and prevent you from discovering the Truth.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that all those who preach such things
are intentionally trying to keep the Truth from you. Many believe they
are "protecting" you by doing this. They simply don't understand. So,
try not to think too harshly of them. "They know not what they do".
You are right to reject teachings that present a vengeful God who
demands that you "follow the rules" or suffer the consequences of his
wrath. This picture has nothing to do with God. It is the projection of
human qualities, and not very nice ones at that, onto a Higher power by
those who live in fear, rather than Love. God has no need for you to
feel "guilty, no good, and definitely hell bound" as you state. How
would it serve Him/Her? God wants you to remember Who and What You Are.
You can't do that by living in fear.
I think it would be useful for you to take a look at some of the eastern
philosophies' description of God, or "All That Is". However, because of
your Christian orientation, it might be better for you to read a book
with a western Christian slant, such as "Conversations with God - An
uncommon dialogue - book one" by Neale Donald Walsch. That may help you
to open up a little more to the entire concept of God, or a Supreme
Being, because it presents a picture of a much more loving God than the
one you have been taught about. It may allow you to be more open to the
God spoken of in the eastern texts. There are many wonderful books which
present eastern teachings in clear terms. I think you will find a
picture of God that you can love. Best wishes and welcome to our list.
--
Louis Conjar - Dynamic Expansion Institute, Inc.
"All Your Spiritual and Financial Needs In One Place"
lconjarATnospamerols.com - http://www.deimarket.com
410-385-9500 - fax 410-654-9587
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