1998/01/18 20:28
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #59
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 59
Today's Topics: Re: Running in Circles [ Teresa ]
Re: EAR RINGING POLL [ Mary Ezzell ] Re: Ramakrishna again [ Mary Ezzell ]
Re: The Politics of Meditation and K [ Harsha1MTM ] Ringing in my ears [ attila94ATnospamwebtv.net (? ?) ]
Re: The Politics of Meditation and K [ Solar Lion ] Re: The Politics of Meditation and K [ jaxx ]
Re: HRTZEN: "Conversatins" [ Ann Morrison Fisher ] Re: Ramakrishna again [ anandajyoti ]
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:29:22 -0500 From: Teresa
To: Gene Kieffer , Afperry , heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
shalomATnospamcheerful.com, DonBBensonATnospamaol.com, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com Subject: Re: Running in Circles
Message-ID:
> ... the conversation on scientific research, scientific method, etc, > etc, has been going in circles for quite a while.
Please forgive the harsh attititude in my diatribe. (I'm no fun at parties, either).
I would truly enjoy getting on to other more stimulating, spiritual conversations. Anyone have a topic to recommend?Teresa
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:34:26 -0800 From: Mary Ezzell
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: EAR RINGING POLL
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>>How many of you out there have experienced ear ringing to any=20
>>significant degree? Give me your responses and feedback. I think I >>have sufficient vidence to support my Binary Luminary idea. More to
>>come=20
Me, almost all the time. Ringing (like running a napkin around the top of a
winegalss), sometimes hissing, sometimes a sound like snowlflakes falling....
I have a lot of trouble with ears, most sounds are too loud, can't stand modern music, have to plug up with cotton and/or handlotion quite often.
Mary E.
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:34:27 -0800 From: Mary Ezzell
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Ramakrishna again
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At 11:46 AM 1/18/98 EST, Afperry wrote:
>Dear Gene, >You said:
> > "We create our own reality" makes me wonder why Ramakrishna and >>Ramanamaharshi wanted to "create their own reality" by dying of
>>cancer at 35 and 37 respectively. They were both recognized and >>are still recognized as Illuminated men.
> >You obviously have not read 'The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna', otherwise you
>would not be in any doubt. Ramakrishna (incidentally, died in 1886 aged 50) >passed away as a result of taking on the karma of his devotees. This caused
>his throat cancer.
Heard a story that his devotees wanted him to pray for the cancer to be cured, so he went into trance adn visited Heaven, and was so happy there he
forgot to ask. After several tiems he remembered to ask and the Great Mother said: "Why do you care about this throat? You have all the throats
in the world." So he died and went to heaven instead.
Mary
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:52:10 EST From: Harsha1MTM
To: TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com (Gene Kieffer)
Subject: Re: The Politics of Meditation and Kundalini Research-A suggestion for Gene Message-ID:
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In a message dated 98-01-18 19:01:38 EST, you write:
< For example, the Maharishi
institute has published a number of interesting papers on meditation that have been
completely ignored. That's not good, it's not bad, it just is. Everything in its
time. >>
Harsha writes: I don't think those papers have been completely ignored. The TM research studies are incremental but useful, although some methodological
issues have been raised by "outsiders" who are not part of the TM group. Jon Kabat Zinn and others have also done work on how mindfulness (as a meditation
technique) has various physical and psychological benefits. What is truly astonishing is how the exponents of various meditation techniques compete with
each other both in the "scientific" and the "spiritual" realms for recognition with every group claiming they have the best technique! My suggestion to Gene
would be to hook up with one of these groups and have them evaluate and fund his proposal. All Gene would probably be required to do would be to declare
that "Technique A" has been found to be the best technique for reducing stress, increasing creativity, beauty and a general feeling of well being and
of course for fullly raising the Kundalini to the Sahasrara, resulting in (you guessed it) Cosmic Consciousness!
Harsha
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:07:51 -0500 From: attila94ATnospamwebtv.net (? ?)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Ringing in my ears
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I used to think that I was crazy. I have gone to ENT dr's who told me it was all in my head. I saw the word kindalini while in a chat room and it
just hit me hard. I did a scearch on the word and here I am. As for the ringing in my ears, this has been going on for several years
now and I never understood what was "wrong" with me or why no one else ever had this. I'm not sure if it is a kundalini awakening or not but
i'm glad to know it not "just in my head". If someone could explain to me what this ringing normally means I would
greatly appreciate it. This is all brand new to me. (The past few days) I'm very confused and scared at the same time.
Thank you!
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From: Solar Lion To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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greetings
comparing one system with another is a total waste of time. all of the legitimate systems produce results at different speeds and in
differing frequency ranges - some can be compared to just moving from one class room to another.
there is no one system that is right for everyone - that is why there are
so many of them.
wouldn't it be sad if we were so alike that one size fit all.
it is recommended that systems not be mixed - at least until understanding of the systems is reached.
if you go down a river - one foot in a slow boat - and one in a fast boat -
what do you think th e result would be?
Solar Lion (Bob)
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:25:44 +1300 From: jaxx
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: The Politics of Meditation and Kundalini Research
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hello
>comparing one system with another is a total waste of time.
>all of the legitimate systems produce results at different speeds and in >differing frequency ranges - some can be compared to just moving from one
>class room to another. >
>there is no one system that is right for everyone - that is why there are >so many of them.
> >wouldn't it be sad if we were so alike that one size fit all.
> >it is recommended that systems not be mixed - at least until understanding
>of the systems is reached. >
>if you go down a river - one foot in a slow boat - and one in a fast boat - >what do you think th e result would be?
> >
>Solar Lion (Bob)
Very well said... different views are valid for different people... there is no right or wrong...
...jacqueline
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:28:10 -0600 From: Ann Morrison Fisher
To: lconjarATnospamerols.com Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: "Conversatins" Message-Id:
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>Louis Conjar wrote
[re. Walsch's book, "Conversations With God" 1 & 2]
>...Frankly, I did not expect to see this >particular set of books to be so criticized on this list. I am curious
>as to whether anyone else here finds them to be of so little value.
I haven't read them, but I certainly will now.
Ann Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:35:47 -0500
From: Louis Conjar To: Teresa
CC: Gene Kieffer , Afperry , heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
shalomATnospamcheerful.com, DonBBensonATnospamaol.com, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com Subject: Re: Running in Circles
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Teresa wrote: >
> > ... the conversation on scientific research, scientific method, etc, > > etc, has been going in circles for quite a while.
> > Please forgive the harsh attititude in my diatribe. (I'm no fun at parties, either).
> I would truly enjoy getting on to other more stimulating, spiritual conversations. > Anyone have a topic to recommend?Teresa
Here's one that I have found interesting. Perhaps others will too. It
has to do with "God's" response, or seemingly lack of response, to prayers. I quote from the book, "Conversations with God - book 1":
"God" tells Neale:
If you have the faith of a mustard seed, you shall move mountains... because I said that, even before you ask, I shall have answered ...
Neale then says:
Yet so many people say that their prayers have gone unanswered.
"God" replies: No prayer ... goes unanswered. Every prayer - every thought, every
statement, every feeling - is creative. To the degree that it is fervently held as truth, to that degree will it be made manifest in your
experience. When it is said that a prayer has not been answered, what has in
actuality happened is that the most fervently held thought, word, or feeling has become operative. Yet what you must know - and here is the
secret - is that always it is the thought behind the thought - what might be called the Sponsoring Thought - that is the controlling
thought. If, therefore, you beg and supplicate, there seems a much smaller
chance that you will experience what you think you are choosing, because the Sponsoring Thought behind every supplication is that you do not have
now what you wish. That Sponsoring Thought becomes your reality. The only Sponsoring Thought which could override this thought is the
thought held in faith that God will grant whatever is asked, without fail. Some people have such faith, but very few.
The process of prayer becomes much easier when, rather than having to believe that God will always say "yes" to every request, one understands
intuitively that the request itself is not necessary."
Lou here again: Perhaps this subject fascinates me so much because, although I have had many beautiful experiences since my Kundalini
awakening, my process has been quite difficult and I sometimes begin to wonder about whether I am flowing properly with the process or whether I
am unknowingly making it more difficult than it needs to be. I trust the process but, at times, my faith gets a little shaken. Any thoughts from
the group would be welcomed. --
Louis Conjar - Dynamic Expansion Institute, Inc. "All Your Spiritual and Financial Needs In One Place"
lconjarATnospamerols.com - http://www.deimarket.com 410-385-9500 - fax 410-654-9587
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:55:05 -0800 From: anandajyoti
To: Mary Ezzell CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Mary Ezzell wrote:
> At 11:46 AM 1/18/98 EST, Afperry wrote:
> >Dear Gene, > >You said:
> > > "We create our own reality" makes me wonder why Ramakrishna and > >>Ramanamaharshi wanted to "create their own reality" by dying of
> >>cancer > Afperry wrote>
> >passed away as a result of taking on the karma of his devotees. This caused > >his throat cancer.
> Mary wrote> > Heard a story that his devotees wanted him to pray for the cancer to be
> cured, so he went into trance adn visited Heaven, After several tiems > he remembered to ask and the Great
> Mother said: "Why do you care about this throat? You have all the throats > in the world." So he died and went to heaven instead.
> >
>
Anandajyoti>Mary, , the person who told the story , in fact mixed up two incidents into one.
Ramakrishna was unable to eat during his last illness with Cancer of the throat. It was Vivekananda, who was the most skeptic of his disciples and the
foremost one, asked him to go and ask the Divine Mother to take the illness away for the welfare of devotees.
Ramakrishna was childlike, he never disbelieved anyone due to his childlike simplicity. So off he went to the temple of the Divine Mother, and verbally told
Her " Mother , everyone is saying to come to you so that you make this pain and Cancer and heal me, so I can eat and keep this body, for their welfare."
Immediately , the temple was filled with inexplicable flood of light and a female voice told him, "How can you think of being so selfish. Don't you realize
that you eat with millions of mouths, the mouths of all humanity." On hearing this Ramakrishna came to his senses, and realized that his prayer at
the behest of others, was contrary to his own realization, that he existed in all creation. He went back to his disciples and told them what the Divine Mother
had said and how he remembered the One in all and the One in all.
Mary> and was so happy there he
forgot to ask. After several times he remembered to ask
Anandajyoti> The second event "he forgot to ask" actually happened to Vivekananda,.
Vivekananda was 20 years of age, his father died, he had brothers and sisters to take care of, as his fathers property was in dispute from creditors, and he
himself had no job, to even provide sustenance to his mother, brother and sisters.
He had been looking for a job, all over the city, but to no avail. A month had passed, he suddenly remembered Ramakrishna, whom he had not visited during that
time. So , he went and asked Ramakrishna to ask the Divine Mother on his behalf, so that he may get a job and feed the family.
It was a Tuesday, and Ramakrishna asked him to go to the temple after midnight and ask the Divine Mother himself.
So Vivekananda went and sat down in prayer. The temple was flooded in Divine Light. Vivekananda lost consciousness for a while. On regaining consciousness he
asked , "Oh Divine Mother of the Universe, grant me knowledge, grant me devotion and grant me discerning power."
After saying it he came out and Ramakrishna was laughing outside the temple in the courtyard.. Ramakrishna asked, "so did you ask Mother to give you a job to
feed your family. Vivekananda had another shock, he said, no I forgot.
So Ramakrishna asked Vivekananda to go back again, but again the same result. A third time around the same result.
Then Ramakrishna simply blessed Vivekananda, saying, "Have no fear , from now on you would be provided with simple food and clothing all your life."
So these are the two events which took place, in fact. All this was recorded by
others present.
All healers would know , that when you heal someone , because of their Karma, the healer has to take upon the Karma of one being healed.
Anandajyoti.
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:20:44 -0400 From: "Orea de Sa' Hana"
To: Kundalini List Subject: Re: ghosts and portals was rope, water...
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The method I learned at a "death and dying" shamanic workshop involved talking to the entity in an attempt to reassure and receive permission
to help it go to where it belonged. Permission attained, we were merely to give said entity a "boost" ...and let the Universe do the rest in
terms of correct/optimal placement.
This type of work has been by far the most moving and gratifying I have done.
Blessings,
Orea
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