1998/01/18 15:12
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #57
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 57
Today's Topics:
Re: ghosts and portals was rope, wat [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
lonely [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: Clarification on Some Fundamenta [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: ghosts and portals was rope, wat [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: Re. DIRECTION [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
"Conversations" [ Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> ]
Re: EAR RINGING POLL [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ]
Re: Re. DIRECTION [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Re: EAR RINGING [ jaxx <jaxxATnospamihug.co.nz> ]
Re: "Conversations" [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Broadcast [ Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> ]
Re:EAR RINGING - throat chakra and s [ "Ronel Grosvenor" <icsdbn06ATnospamglobal. ]
Re: EAR RINGING POLL/real is? [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re:"Conversatins" [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: Re. DIRECTION [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: Re. DIRECTION [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: HRTZEN: "Conversatins" [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:45:34 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: ghosts and portals was rope, water...
Message-ID: <34C25BDE.1197ATnospammail.snet.net>
Sharon Webb wrote:
> whether that being "possesses" a body or whether it is
> simply lost and earthbound, that it does no good to simply send it to the
> light. If the being were able to bear the light, then it would have gone
> there to begin with.
Hey, that's just like us!
> More often than not if its discomfort level is
> extreme, it will simply return.
Ahhh, so pain does have a point.
> The implication is
> that it is best to send these lost souls to a transitional place from which
> they can evolve at their own pace.
Planet earth is such a place.
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:38:04 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: lonely
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Dear Shahansha:
You say such sweet and sad things today....>>But a nirvanian has
to be lonely even in India.
Shahanshah>>>
This is surely ego that feels lonely. It is the experiment of God to find
out how it feels to be separate. Surely in a state of nirvan.. where is
one not present and recognizing oneself? Perhaps the use of 3rd person
about oneself is a clue to your concept of yourself....removed, distant,
not connected to the whole.
Personally I feel that the biggest change from before K. awakening to
after k. awakening is the sense of NOT being lonely any more. I always
feel like a turtle.. my house is on my back.. I am "at home" anywhere and
there are no strangers anywhere.. yeh .. not even those who arrived here
without being born here!
My dear one.. I trust that this sense of isolation from others is soon
melted. Ruth
******
So, for the individual..there is no purpose or goal except to be a vehicle
through which Source can amuse itself...[Satyam Nadeem]
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*****
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:24:47 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
CC: anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Clarification on Some Fundamentals Invited]
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Gloria here:
I would also point out that one can tell which center he is in while in
the dream state. That will also tell you where you are leaving and
entering. It is all about inner knowing of the process, not just about
living in the body but also living out of the body, and in between
states of movement. Self Remembering is the whole Banana, the skin,
inside, and out. Just as term of course that popped into my head...
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:48:40 -0500
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: ghosts and portals was rope, water...
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Hi,
I wrote:
>> whether that being "possesses" a body or whether it is
>> simply lost and earthbound, that it does no good to simply send it to the
>> light. If the being were able to bear the light, then it would have gone
>> there to begin with.
And David wrote:
>Hey, that's just like us!
You betcha.
And I wrote:
>> The implication is
>> that it is best to send these lost souls to a transitional place from
which
>> they can evolve at their own pace.
And David replied:
>Planet earth is such a place.
Yes, it is. It is all relative. Our beloved earth must be a dark and
dismal place for more evolved beings, but for most of us it is a haven. And
so it follows that sending lost beings to what appears to us as a dark place
may instead be a blessing for those beings who need it.
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:38:37 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
CC: gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Re. DIRECTION
Message-ID: <34C1DBAA.6D2BATnospamintercomm.com>
Afperry wrote:
Another great conversation I have to jump into: Gloria
>
> Dear Gene,
> You seem to imply that evolution is simply a linear process. But how can it
> be? Everything in Nature shows us cycles...within cycles......within
> cycles.......ad nauseam! I'm sure that the zig-zags you surmise exist but they
> are actually cycles, in other words local patterns of evolution not proceeding
> in a straight and predictable line. And surely the driving power of evolution,
> what I refer to as God's inherent nature, is the Law behind this cyclical
> movement. God is Law and vice-versa. Evolution is a learning curve, not simply
> a progression from worse to better (horrible, judgmental terms but you
> understand my meaning!) which involves involution as well. How would we know
> light if we did not have darkness to compare it with?
>
> Evolution will never make sense in linear terms and, fortunately, its
> direction will never be dictated by the whims of bulk-humanity whose sole
> objective will always be to achieve a 'better' material or outer life.
> Inevitably, this worldly objective is not always in accord with the Divine
> Plan and humanity's divergence is what causes all the suffering on Earth. But
> from it we learn, do we not? The Law of Cause and Effect - our greatest
> teacher - the result of the application of our free will.
GG
This is the area where and when humans become aware of themselves as
creators, and it is what is missing so much in the awareness of many
even seemingly enlightened individuals. We do have responsiblity to what
we think, feel and send out to others, and into the manifesting energies
of the world stage.
When we decide to neutralize our energies that go out through the
automatic responce stream, we access evolution in our own regard
tremendously, and we also assist in that of the planet, when we allow
that to continue as if nothing is occurring, we send ourselves back into
the third dimension mentality and secure it staying there for another
cycle or more. This then is the decision we make here and now which does
effect life through the ebb and flow of time. This should be the focus
on the conversation in terms of evolution, and as of yet, I haven't seen
signs from Gene that he understands this in the least? What does
thoughts and feelings released unchecked do to the world stage? Do I
have any takers out there? And, do we have the power to totally
disengage from the creation? If we do, what is the effect it has on the
soul/spirit and on Divine Will as the overall picture?
We are the
> architects of our own pleasure and our own pain, both individually and
> collectively. We cannot blame anyone/anything else, including God. Evolution
> leads us inexorably back to our Source, which is Unity: whatever leads towards
> the manifestation of that Unity e.g. harmony, peace, love, truth, wisdom,
> righteousness, etc., is in accord with the evolutionary energy. Whatever leads
> towards greater separation is contrary to it.
>
>avatar and
> smooth things along a bit if we naughty children get too out of hand)!
> Everything is Right with a capital R. Hard to see sometimes, I grant you, but
> we must not be deluded by the external, the world of effects. In the Real
> world, the world of causes, everything is just fine - and will always be. But
> we must learn to surrender to it: do our best as we see it and leave the
> results to God, as the Bhagavad Gita so exhorts us.
>
> Blessings,
> Alan
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:47:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
To: AES3DDDATnospamaol.com
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: "Conversations"
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>AES3DDDATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
>> Have gotten into Book II and although I find the 'truths' about sex
outrageous, I
>> feel there is truth in it. (Just don't know what to do with that truth at
>> this time).
>
>Dear Anita,
>
>What are the views about sex in this book as I am not familiar with it?
>>
>David
>
GENE:
Dear Anita,
I don't know what Neal's views on sex are, but I understand that
he has been married quite a few times, maybe six times? If so, that
should be a big enough red flag to stop a bull.
All the best,
gene
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:50:23 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: samyanaATnospamhotmail.com
Subject: Re: EAR RINGING POLL
Message-ID: <34c65cfd.25875919ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
How many of you out there have experienced ear ringing to any
significant degree? Give me your responses and feedback. I think I
have sufficient vidence to support my Binary Luminary idea. More to
come
Love and Light, Linda
You may want to keep in mind the fact that the use of aspirin
sometimes produces, "tinnitus".
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Yes..and the incidence gets more frequent when I experience more
*other* K symptoms. The humming seems different from the ringing. a
lower pitch. Also, a couple of times heard other sounds.. clearly not
*real* - such as 3 gongs and once a very loud slam, like a door
slamming hard. Whatever does this mean?
Gloria Lee
Clearly not real ? Two weeks ago while communicating with Judith about
cleansing I remarked that I had heard 3 gongs and what sounded like a
large book being slammed shut.
Two days following I heard 2 rings of a crystal bell and got an
impression of a statue ( head and shoulders ) , marble, Athena or
Aphrodite in a mirror image.
A week after the first I heard 1 cymbal followed by two low tones and
received a graphic representation of the letters or word - Alb e oto.
Since October I have received multiple impressions of a book. I feel
it's the same book but it has a different binding or cover each time.
since the book slamming I haven't received any impressions of the
book.
recently I have been getting quick flashes of different personalities,
mostly children, all are crying and all want me to do something that I
can't quite make out yet.
Have no idea what any of this means, if anything.
Jack
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:58:48 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
CC: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, shalomATnospamcheerful.com, DonBBensonATnospamaol.com,
lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Subject: Re: Re. DIRECTION
Message-ID: <34C25EF8.344DATnospamblarg.net>
Gene has written:........
> The Kundalini Research Project would aim
> to acquire such verification.
verify what? what did he say?
Gene said:
> that evolution is inexorably leading
> the race to Higher and Higher States of Consciousness.
>>> But that has not yet been verified by science.
oh, verify Higher and Higher States of Consciousness.
again, Gene, "freda" would like to KNOW how you will determine this?,
especially with the following beleif?:
> As of this point in time, you are just
> expressing what you "know" to be true because of your own spiritual
> progress and experience.
who, dear Gene are YOU going to beleive?
--
..freda..
BE-IS-AM ...manifesting again...
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:40:29 +1300
From: jaxx <jaxxATnospamihug.co.nz>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: EAR RINGING
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Jack you wrote...
>recently I have been getting quick flashes of different personalities,
>mostly children, all are crying and all want me to do something that I
>can't quite make out yet.
>
>Have no idea what any of this means, if anything.
First impression to me made me think they are your inner lost children...
Sometimes as we go through life we encounter things/ situations that are
hard to bear and a part of us can split off and remain undeveloped... These
parts of us require attention to bring us back to whole. I have done alot
of personal healing by revisiting places and recovering my children and
making it safe for them.
I dont know if this applies to your case... but I hope it helps...
regards
...Jacqueline
ICQ# 4892374
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:01:00 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
CC: AES3DDDATnospamaol.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: "Conversations"
Message-ID: <34C26D8C.3DEBATnospamblarg.net>
> GENE:
>
> Dear Anita,
>
> I don't know what Neal's views on sex are, but I understand that
> he has been married quite a few times, maybe six times? If so, that
> should be a big enough red flag to stop a bull.
>
> All the best,
>
> gene
I can't imagine what this is about.
Are you into "gossip" gene.
and red flags are supposed to "attract" bulls.
but I don't think thats what science says, I think the last "report" was
it was the waving of a flag not the color ...in either case.............
what does a mans enlightenment have to do with his married life?
is this important to your research as well, will you be "weeding out"
all those who have imperfect marriages.?
"all of you who have had imperfect relationships..... please sit down...
you are deluded.....not enlightened...... :)
--
..freda..
BE-IS-AM ...manifesting again...
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:57:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Broadcast
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GLORIA WROTE, IN PART:
>This should be the focus on the conversation in terms of evolution, and as
>of yet, I haven't seen signs from Gene that he understands this in the least?
What does thoughts and feelings released unchecked do to the world stage? Do I
>have any takers out there?
GENE'S REPLY:
Dear Gloria,
From all that you have written (and I have read) over the past several
months, it is clear beyond any doubt that you are living in two worlds, the
world of the spirit, and the physical world. I think it is wonderful.
From the beginning, I have said that I would like to have science
verify spiritual experience, Higher Consciousness, Illumination, etc.
When you write that when we release our thoughts and feelings unchecked
we send out, or transmit them, onto the world stage. These thoughts and
feelings, when they are negative, it's bad; and when they are all-loving,
positive, and cheefull, it's good. Presumably you mean its good for the
world stage. I do not dispute it. The reason you have not seen signs from
me that I understand what you are talking about is because what you say is
not verifiable.
Please, Gloria, I know I have repeated myself innumerable times,
but this is not meant to be a put-down. When you or anybody else writes
about a beautiful dream you have had, or a beautiful experience somewhere
in the spiritual world, I do not dispute it. Undoubtedly you and they
have had and are having beautiful dreams after dreams, visions after
visions. All this is wonderful.
No you doubt you have seen the spiritual world clearly and know
how it is structured so that when somebody in Brazil has a naugty thought,
or somebody in Alaska is thinking negatively, you and they can see the
effects of these thoughts and how they hinder the evolution of the race.
What I am saying is that inasmuch as we cannot yet scientifically
verify what you see in your dreams, or what others see in their visions,
or hear when they talk with God, or some spiritual beings, they do not
advance the cause of scientific understanding. Your visions are personal
visions, not universal information that can be transmitted to the world
stage. . . . not unless you write it down, print it, and mail it to
some scientific journal.
I think it would be good if we were to give skeptics the benefit of
the doubt. Perhaps scientists also have dreams and visions comparable to
our own. I just finished watching an encore of the 10-hour series,
"Stephen Hawking's Universe," on PBS TV. Hawking also thinks about "the
Mind of God." Many other scientists are doing the same thing.
Hawking says that if he were to make a bet on whether the Universe
will go on expanding forever or whether it will eventually cease to
expand and then contract to where it was at the time or before the
Big Bang, he would bet on the latter; i.e., he would bet that the
universe will cease to exand and will fall back upon itself.
Another scientist, in California, who is working on the exact same
problem, said in the same television series, that she (SHE) would bet
that the universe will continue to expand forever.
Now this series was made a couple of years ago. Since then, scientists
have arrived at more or less of a consensus (about 95%) that the universe
will go on expanding forever.
So you see, scientists draw very, very heavily upon their intuition,
just the same as you do. The only difference is that they always withhold
their judgment until all the data are in. Dr. Hawking intuitively believes
that the Universe will eventually collapse; other eminent scientists
intuitively believe the universe will expand forever. The scientific
data are not yet final.
We all enjoy speculating about various things, whether we speculate about
God, the Devil, or the Nature of the invisible universe. As yet, the
scientific data is lacking on which is which.
Scientists do have their dream, they have their visions, they probably
believe as sincerely in God as anyone else does. But they cannot write
scientific papers for professional journals about what they see in their
dreams and experience on their excursions into the spiritual world.
If they did, they would not be scientists. Blake was an exception.
So, yes, I do understand that it's not such a good idea to have
negative thoughts because these thoughts might shatter the spiritual world,
and then where would we be? After all, the spiritual universe is not made
of Jello, is it?
On the lighter side, we certainly know how powerful our thoughts are on
the outcome of horse races, football games, basketball games, and other
sporting events. Notice how the Notre Dame teams always pray together
before their games? When I played basketball for St. Mary's High School,
we always prayed together before the game. We didn't win every time, but
we prayed anyway, and we had pep talks by the coach, who was a priest.
And I can recall that during World War II, both sides prayed to God for
victory. The Germans prayed, the Japanese prayed, we all prayed.
I also recall the many, many experiments conducted by Duke University,
and others, even Princeton University, on psychic power, everyong trying
to show how much power our thoughts have to influence events, even other
people. As of this date, however, no experiments of this nature have
proved conclusive.
But yes, Gloria, I do understand what you are teaching us about the
spiritual universe. I just don't see how it connects with scientific
verification. If you or some of the other dreamers and experiencers
could tell us how it works, it would be helpful, I think.
With all best wishes,
gene
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:09:55 +0200
From: "Ronel Grosvenor" <icsdbn06ATnospamglobal.co.za>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re:EAR RINGING - throat chakra and sleep.
Message-Id: <199801182115.XAA16309ATnospammail.global.co.za>
Hi all,
I'm new to list was very interested to hear about ear ringing and other
sounds you hear. Ive been interested in lucid (conscious) dreaming for a
long time and for past
year have been practicing allowing myself to enter sleep consciously from
waking state. point i'm interested in is that at some point during this
conscious "dissociation" into sleep just before actual clear dream images
begin you get a gradual increase in intensity of that ear ringing or
sometimes a "hiss" if you carry onwards past this point at some stage you
get sudden bursts
of auditiory input but heard as if projected outwards. I always hear people
laughing and shouting, sometimes breaking glass or slamming doors - sound
familiar.These first dream sounds typically come in short bursts and
typically they can frighten or surprise you and this slightly awakens you.
If you just relax and pass through this stage they die away but now you
have lost touch with "outside" waking noises and inner dream noises
continue.
Point i'm trying to make is that alot of "k" symptoms mimic this
dissociative process into sleep that i have been consciously observing and
the comparison does not just end there.
The whole dissociative process into sleep proceeds in same sequence as
chakras are found going up spine. Or rather
roughly the same sequence : base chakra - loosening sensations in feet
andthe legs. 2nd chakra - increase in libido and sexual sensations. 4th
chakra - emotional involvement with inner dream scenarious. 5th chakra -
this is wear you hear those bursts of sounds and hissing comming through
your throat chakra which is connected to your ears. 6th chakra (3rd-eye) -
dream images appear.
There is a link between "k" symptoms and process of falling asleep.
Does anybody follow what i'm saying.
When eventually i've entered the dream completely and provided i'm still
conscious (lucid) I can still sometimes sense the state of my chakra's and
how activity in them relates to various aspects of the dream wether it be
the churning excitement felt in the solar plexus (chakra 3) while flying or
the sensual sometimes raw erotic pleasure from sex chakra as i engage in
some sexual frolicking.
theres definately a connection here.
Paul
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:26:57 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: EAR RINGING POLL/real is?
Message-ID: <19980118212658.13829.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Gloria Lee..whatever is meant by reality anymore is beyond me..ALL I
casually meant to imply was that when I heard this loud door slamming
sound.it was not an actual door in my house that I mistakenly thought
was in my head.. and it was a series of slams, fast on top of one
another..so no wind in my house, no one home to slam doors..now who is
going to explain these sounds heard in one's mind?/ call it real or
not..does it mean ANYTHING??
>
>How many of you out there have experienced ear ringing to any=20
>significant degree? Give me your responses and feedback. I think I
>have sufficient vidence to support my Binary Luminary idea. More to
>come=20
>Love and Light, Linda
>
>You may want to keep in mind the fact that the use of aspirin
>sometimes produces, "tinnitus".
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
>--------------------------------------------
>
>Yes..and the incidence gets more frequent when I experience more=20
>*other* K symptoms. The humming seems different from the ringing. a=20
>lower pitch. Also, a couple of times heard other sounds.. clearly not
>
>*real* - such as 3 gongs and once a very loud slam, like a door
>slamming hard. Whatever does this mean?
>
> Gloria Lee
>
>Clearly not real ? Two weeks ago while communicating with Judith about
>cleansing I remarked that I had heard 3 gongs and what sounded like a
>large book being slammed shut.
>
>Two days following I heard 2 rings of a crystal bell and got an
>impression of a statue ( head and shoulders ) , marble, Athena or
>Aphrodite in a mirror image.
>
>A week after the first I heard 1 cymbal followed by two low tones and
>received a graphic representation of the letters or word - Alb e oto.
>
>Since October I have received multiple impressions of a book. I feel
>it's the same book but it has a different binding or cover each time.
>since the book slamming I haven't received any impressions of the
>book.
>
>recently I have been getting quick flashes of different personalities,
>mostly children, all are crying and all want me to do something that I
>can't quite make out yet.
>
>Have no idea what any of this means, if anything.
>
>Jack
>
>
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:38:09 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re:"Conversatins"
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Gene wrote:
>> makes me wonder why Ramakrishna and
>> Ramanamaharshi wanted to "create their own reality" by dying of
>> cancer at 35 and 37 respectively.
>
David wrote:
>Christ died at 33.
I have known two people who seemed to be completely innocent - that is,
they had no dark side at all. Both died in their early 20s.
Ann
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:46:55 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Re. DIRECTION
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Gene wrote:
>Even so, I believe what you say, that evolution is inexorably leading
>the race to Higher and Higher States of Consciousness. But that has not
>yet been verified by science. The Kundalini Research Project would aim
>to acquire such verification.
Gene, how could you possibly do that?
Ann
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:58:24 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Re. DIRECTION
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Gene wrote:
>The Kundalini Research Project would aim
>to acquire such verification. In that case--provided the project succeeded--
>you would be expressing a fact. As of this point in time, you are just
>expressing what you "know" to be true because of your own spiritual
>progress and experience.
>
>... our own experience does not count in
>the scientific arena.
Any theory that is substantiated by the scientific method is accepted with
qualifications. When more data are available or when a new and more
comprehensive theory comes along, this scientific "truth" may be disproven.
I don't think you'll get far on this list espousing the "truth" of
scientific theory over the knowledge from direct experience.
Ann
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:07:47 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: "Conversatins"
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Gene wrote:
>
> Dear Anita,
>
> I don't know what Neal's views on sex are, but I understand that....
Does this mean that you haven't even read the book that you expressed the
folowing opinions about?
> Earlier, you had called Walsch's book, "Communications With God," which
>threw me off, because I was well aware of "Conversations With God."
>
> Frankly, I would not put any trust in the book. It just either
>"channeling" or mostly, as you imply, rewritting of what has been
>said interminably over the past three or four decades.
>
> My question is, do you think anyone will remember Neal Walsch's
>book ten years from now? Or five years from now?...
>
> There are a lot of good inspirational books on the market, but
>I would not place "Conversations With God" among them. That, again,
>is just one person's opinion.
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