1998/01/18 12:37
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #56
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 56
Today's Topics: Re: Re: DIRECTION [ Afperry ]
channeling [ "Sharon Webb" ] Ramakrishna again [ Afperry ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: DIRECTION [ Harsha1MTM ] EAR RINGING POLL [ SchrLL ]
Re: DIRECTION [ SchrLL ] Re: DIRECTION [ freda ]
ghosts and portals was rope, water.. [ "Susan Carlson" ] Re: "Conversations" [ anandajyoti ]
Re: Re. DIRECTION [ Gene Kieffer ] Re: ghosts and portals was rope, wat [ "Sharon Webb" ]
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:17:59 EST From: Afperry
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Dear Gloria,
Your comment that.."something inside of them urges..." sums it all up for me. All spirituality is dependent on that inner impulse but most human beings
block this off, drowning the still small voice in a sea of materiality, worries, fears, etc. etc.. However, we cannot ever block it out totally. We
are like little grubs inside a cocoon, but as the cocoon gradually unwinds, we emerge as beautiful butterflies instead. As the grub changes into a butterfly
inside, its impulsion to emerge can be felt by the outer cocoon, and this accelerates the unwinding process. Where does that inner impulse to evolve
come from? What causes a seed to grow? Surely, this can only be the inherent power of God, His/Her/Its Law of Being.
Does anyone need to show a butterfly how to be beautiful? It simply manifests
its nature. So does every human being, evolved or otherwise. But the evolved human shines as a beacon for others to see and follow; he/she naturally
manifests Divinity - which is Unconditional Love and of which all concepts of altruism, brotherhood and joy are expressions.
What should we expect from ourselves? Simply to be honest and compassionate to
ourselves and follow the inner light of conscience. What can we expect from others? Nothing, we have no right. Ours is just to give and to show; others
will follow in their own appointed time and way.
Blessings, Alan
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:38:26 -0500 From: "Sharon Webb"
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Gene,
You wrote:
>> Frankly, I would not put any trust in the book. It just either "channeling" or mostly, as you imply, rewriting of what has been
said interminably over the past three or four decades.>>
I am curious as to your feelings about channeling. Did not Gopi Krishna channel his poetry? How else did he write in languages that he had no knowledge of?
In my opinion, a true channel is a direct connection to our higher self. Such a channel is invariably non-judgmental and never tells us what to do. Instead it offers charts and compasses to help us find our way, provided, of course, that the channeler can set aside his/her dogma and prejudices and not destroy the message with mental and emotional garbage.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:46:51 EST From: Afperry
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Dear Gene,
You said: > "We create our own reality" makes me wonder why Ramakrishna and
>Ramanamaharshi wanted to "create their own reality" by dying of >cancer at 35 and 37 respectively. They were both recognized and
>are still recognized as Illuminated men.
You obviously have not read 'The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna', otherwise you would not be in any doubt. Ramakrishna (incidentally, died in 1886 aged 50)
passed away as a result of taking on the karma of his devotees. This caused his throat cancer. Only a great master who is totally one with God can take a
sacrificial action like this, although he himself would have ascribed it to his beloved Divine Mother, of whom he claimed only to be an instrument. And
what about Christ.........................?
I'll let Harsha respond on behalf of Ramana Maharshi!
Blessings, Alan
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:22:53 EST From: Harsha1MTM
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In a message dated 98-01-18 11:03:36 EST, gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com writes:
< Dear Harsha,
What you say above is certainly true, but again, this does not answer the question of heredity. And nobody is saying that heredity should
cause anyone to decide, "Oh, heck, what's the use of trying, when my family tree is so weak?"
>>
Harsha writes: Dear Gene-- Did not Gopi Krishna discourage his younger son from meditating for reasons of heredity? Gopi Krishna seemed to have felt that
his son may have inherited some genetic weaknesses (from his mother's side of course!) which would make Kundalini awakening difficult to bear. To each
their own. My feeling is that a person burning with intensity to know God, the Great Lord of Life Whose nature is I AM THAT I AM will hardly be discouraged
under any circumstances.
Harsha Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:47:00 EST
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Another poll..... How many of you out there have experienced ear ringing to any significant
degree? Give me your responses and feedback. I think I have sufficient evidence to support my Binary Luminary idea. More to come
Love and Light, Linda Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:43:48 EST
From: SchrLL To: sassiATnospamWORLDNET.ATT.NET
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In a message dated 98-01-17 18:05:02 EST, you write:
> After 4,000 years of making up "laws" and explanations for ourselves, > maybe we should just kick back and listen to what nature and the
> universe have to say for themselves. > Jack
> ATnospam->->--
So what do you think 'nature' is trying to say to us when our ears ring? I have studied this for over 20 years and I believe there is a pattern to this
which we can not only learn from, but use. See EAR RINGING POLL. Linda Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:00:36 -0800
From: freda To: SchrLL
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You've studied IT for 20 yrs. What is it saying? my ears ring to some degree all the time
-- ..freda..
BE-IS-AM ...manifesting again... http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:03:09 PST From: "Susan Carlson"
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: ghosts and portals was rope, water...
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Angelique wrote:
.....snip
Protection from spirits is easy.. but toss 'em out, pass the buck....
they just go bug someone else. Sending them Home instead is merciful.
Wandering lost spirit, is not an enviable state to be in. .....snip
But I feel called to do a mass rescue. Send them Home.
Goddess gave me the idea, I trust She'll give me the juice to do the
deed. The Captain will help.. Still, I have never done a rescue on anything like this scale
before.. mebbie no-one ever has.. the principle is the same... but your
prayers, love and support for myself, and those I seek to help, are
certainly appreciated.
One ghost passing thru the doorway of my heart is a shiver, what do a few
hundred feel like? Hmmm. I will be more carefully prepared, but still..
Any alternative rescuing techniques anyone out there can offer, would be
appreciated. I am getting some interesting info, myself.. constructing a
panama canal sized light doorway, for the captain to sail the whole boat
thru..? Hmmmm... ...snip
I find myself wondering, what would the planet feel like, if we cleansed
all of the old battlefields, and all of the cemeteries and concentration
camps of the lost souls that wander there?
Susan here now.
Angelique...this is awesome stuff, shepherding spirits to the
light..definately takes a clear heart and discernment for a few of them, let alone a mass transfer.
Even some larger world governments noted the importance of this. A
teacher/kahuna of a specific process was used for transforming aka cords and releasing earthbound spirits was hired to 'clear' the
grounds/buildings/furniture/emotions etc. before treaty signings. And I am referring to these decades of this century.
Do you remember last spring I posted about the Aka cords and the dead?
And remember what a tremendous response I go to that post? I learned that process from a student of this kahuna woman.
Her orginization, btw, is now on the web http://www.hooponopono.org
Anyway, I think the portal idea is a good thing, and i don't think its
is necessary to use yourself as a 'conduit'. Might you ask for special guides to stand in for yourself?
I also think we can take a group volunteer approach. If anybody on the
list would like to assist you, why not set a specific time and date ( like, ya know, how we have done these love things in the past)and focus
our energies on creating a portal or vortex for a doorway and also ask for assitance.
I know of people not on the list who would probably like to contribute.
How cool! Choosing a site of death, like the Titanic or Auschwitz, or Wounded Knee, or the Killing Fields in Cambodia, and create a vortex of
energy for sufferring spirits to pass thru.
This could be a great service project for we on the list to contribute to the elevation of the planet... with all the combined powerful love, k
and discernment we have, we could make a huge difference in the quality of existence for many beings, seen and unseen.
I know for many people on the list, this might be a huge paradigm buster
if not down right scary, if not thinking 'this is absolutely wrong,' and for you all...it is not necessary to contribute in this specific way or
at all. Only for volunteers, intent is everything.
Ho'oponopono means 'to make right with God'. Prayers would be good way to start for those who are not used to this kind of work.
So whaddya think Sister? Shall we do this?
Love, Susan
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From: "Gloria Lee" To: SchrLLATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: EAR RINGING POLL
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>Another poll..... >How many of you out there have experienced ear ringing to any
significant >degree? Give me your responses and feedback. I think I have sufficient
>evidence to support my Binary Luminary idea. More to come >Love and Light, Linda
> >Yes..and the incidence gets more frequent when I experience more
*other* K symptoms. The humming seems different from the ringing. a lower pitch. Also, a couple of times heard other sounds.. clearly not
*real* - such as 3 gongs and once a very loud slam, like a door slamming hard. Whatever does this mean? Gloria Lee
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From: anandajyoti To: Gene Kieffer
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Gene Kieffer wrote:
> Gene> "We create our own reality" makes me wonder why Ramakrishna and > Ramanamaharshi wanted to "create their own reality" by dying of
> cancer at 35 and 37 respectively. They were both recognized and > are still recognized as Illuminated men.
>
Anandajyoti> Dear Gene ! I think you have something mixed up here regarding the life span of these two
great sages. Ramana Maharshi was born in 1879 and breathed his last in 1950 , I believe, which
makes it 71 years, and Paramahamsa Ramakrishna was born in 1837 and breathed his last in 1887, which makes it , fifty years life span.
Probably, you meant their years of public instruction, to be of 35 and 37 years respectively. I am not sure about these.
On the other hand, I do believe, that till we as humans, tread our spiritual destiny deeply, we do create our own reality in a sense, that we take actions,
based on our desires and we do reap as we sow.
> Gene> > And then there are, of course, the victims of the holacaust, who
> died by the millions in "a reality they created?"
The victims of the holocaust as you say, is true because they were victims of the circumstances in their environment. Which is also very saddening.
We humans also many a time fall as victims of circumstances. Our awareness of our environment helps to an extent to be not a victim, or be
marginally be affected by the circumstances. Even these two perspectives could be discussed further and debated upon.
Gene>
This whole notion about "creating our own reality," it seems to me, needs critical examination. But then I could be wrong.
Anandajyoti>
Yes it does need critical examination, because whatever we aspire for in life, has many factors intertwined which finally affect us in various ways, in life.
As our experiences in life and through life, changes, we keep on changing also, till we are able to know exactly , who we are, why are here on earth, and where
we are headed to. Changes effected by ourselves in our own lives, whether externally or internally,
does have an effect on the whole picture of our life's sojourn on earth. In order to create our own reality, don't we need to determine , what that reality
is?
Kind regards,
Anandajyoti
"Nature so fragile always changing, makes one feel insecure. Even being exposed to annihilation, 'tis so alive and pure" -Anandajyoti.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:24:07 -0500 From: David Bozzi
To: Kundalini Subject: Re: DIRECTION
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PEGLUMPKIN wrote:
> I would guess that we > have come from a cosmic period of individuation and separation and are moving
> toward unification, and kundalini is a part of that process. I would guess it > somehow it relates to the Big Bang.
Big Bang is part of the dream.
> What happens when the evolution in which
> we participate is complete? (When I say "we," I think of consciousness, not > necessarily humans.)
If All is already complete,
Evolution is illusion.
> I would guess we head back the other direction, to the > Big Crunch. We begin the separation again. It's an eternal cosmic inhale and
> exhale.
The shadow of the Divine is infinite like the Source. When You awaken You will never sleep again.
(though Your children might)
> Yes, technology has > brought us to a time when every human body on the planet could be annihilated
> in very short order. > At the risk of sounding like a complete lunatic, I say,
> "So what?" If consciousness is eternal, it's not dependent on inhabiting > carbon based life forms.
Only one who is detached could see it this way.
> apocalyptic dreams were not literal.
> I like the way John White put it when trying to explain that prophetic visions > of global destruction should not be taken literally. "Rather they seem to be
> reflections of the collective psyche of our time, which is generating its own > images of planetary death and regeneration for which the sensitive souls of
> our era serve as carriers."
Ego senses its' time is short. To ego, the Atonement is apocalypse.
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:18:15 -0500 (EST) From: Gene Kieffer
To: Afperry Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
shalomATnospamcheerful.com, DonBBensonATnospamaol.com, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com Subject: Re: Re. DIRECTION
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At 11:17 AM 1/18/98 EST, you wrote:
Alan:
>Dear Gene,
>You seem to imply that evolution is simply a linear process. But how can it >be? Everything in Nature shows us cycles...within cycles......within
>cycles.......ad nauseam! I'm sure that the zig-zags you surmise exist but they >are actually cycles, in other words local patterns of evolution not proceeding
>in a straight and predictable line. And surely the driving power of evolution, >what I refer to as God's inherent nature, is the Law behind this cyclical
>movement.
Gene: Yes, cycles within cycles, but not closed cycles but more like the spiral. For instance, the Earth's Great Year of Precession is 25,898
years, give or take a year or two. This is certainly a cycle. But at the end of that cycle, humankind is not the same as he was 26,000 years ago.
Alan:
God is Law and vice-versa. Evolution is a learning curve, not simply
>a progression from worse to better (horrible, judgmental terms but you >understand my meaning!) which involves involution as well. How would we know
>light if we did not have darkness to compare it with?
GENE:
To answer your question, we wouldn't. But do you really think the race has devolved? As I've said many times, we are at a crossroads at
present. We have developed a gigantic intellect, capable of inventing almost anything. But we have failed to develop our spiritual side.
This has made us (please don't take "us" to mean just you and me, but rather, the whole race) rather lopsided. If we do not balance our
spiritual side with our intellectual side, we will (may) stagnate and degenerate. In that case, what you say has merit. But how long do
you think God, Nature, the Divine will allow His/Her Creation degenerate before "something" happens to cause us to straighten up and fly right?
We've wandered off the Path. What Path? The Path spoken of by Buddha,
Christ, etc., Or maybe we haven't wandered off the Path? I happen to beleive that we have. I don't mean you have wandered off the Path, I
am referring to the race as a whole.
Alan: >
>Evolution will never make sense in linear terms and, fortunately, its >direction will never be dictated by the whims of bulk-humanity whose sole
>objective will always be to achieve a 'better' material or outer life. >Inevitably, this worldly objective is not always in accord with the Divine
>Plan and humanity's divergence is what causes all the suffering on Earth. But >from it we learn, do we not?
GENE:
Yes, I sincerely hope we learn. Trial and error, that's one way to learn. And then there are other ways to learn as well. What if we should learn
that we have wandered off the Path prescribed for us (the race) by the great spiritual luminaries of the past? In that case, wouldn't it be
prudent, even wise, to try our best to get back on the Path? Or should we just keep wandering in circles, I mean cycles, never learning anything
that might help our spiritual evolution?
Alan: >The Law of Cause and Effect - our greatest teacher - the result of the
>application of our free will. We are the architects of our own pleasure >and our own pain, both individually and >collectively. We cannot blame
>anyone/anything else, including God.
GENE:
To a large extent you may be right. But again I ask, what about that school bus loaded with kindergarten children that was hit by a train,
killing all 45 of them? Were they the arthitects of their own fate?
Okay, so that's a weak argument. But what about 6 million Jews who were slaughtered by the Nazis. Can you say that they deserved such
a horrible fate? In this cruel world, there is no blame? Then our whole criminal justice system is a sham. When a killer goes on the
rampage and indiscriminately shoots a bunch of school children, isn't the shooter guilty of something? I think he/she would be hauled into
court and charged with mass murder. Perhaps his lawyer would argue, "Judge, you can't find him guilty, he's not to blame. Nobody's to
blame. It just happened."
Alan: >Evolution leads us inexorably back to our Source, which is Unity: whatever
>leads towards the manifestation of that Unity e.g. harmony, peace, love, truth, >wisdom, righteousness, etc., is in accord with the evolutionary
energy. >Whatever leads towards greater separation is contrary to it.
GENE:
When you say that "Evolution leads us inexorably back to our Source," are you speaking from experience or are conjecturing? At this point in
our knowledge, we don't yet know in which direction Evolution is taking us. Even so, I believe what you say, that evolution is inexorably leading
the race to Higher and Higher States of Consciousness. But that has not yet been verified by science. The Kundalini Research Project would aim
to acquire such verification. In that case--provided the project succeeded-- you would be expressing a fact. As of this point in time, you are just
expressing what you "know" to be true because of your own spiritual progress and experience.
>But the Divine guides the evolution of His/Her/Its own manifestation, thank >goodness (and many believe that the Divine will even manifest as an avatar and
>smooth things along a bit if we naughty children get too out of hand)! >Everything is Right with a capital R. Hard to see sometimes, I grant you, but
>we must not be deluded by the external, the world of effects. In the Real >world, the world of causes, everything is just fine - and will always be. But
>we must learn to surrender to it: do our best as we see it and leave the >results to God, as the Bhagavad Gita so exhorts us.
>
GENE: I have never implied that the Divine isn't guiding the evolution of the race. But that assumption is not scientific. We can "know" it to
be true from our own experience, but our own experience does not count in the scientific arena. That is why we would like to see a Kundalini
Research Project. We simply would like to prove to the skeptics that what you say, and what so many other K-people say, is true. I hope
there isn't anything too wrong with that.
Blessings, Gene
> >
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:27:39 -0500 From: "Sharon Webb"
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Hi,
My two cents worth:
I have done this kind of work before, not by using myself as a conduit, but
by escorting a dying person or a lost being part way toward a haven, or in the case of possession, by sending them away.
I, BTW, am deliberately using the term "being" rather than soul, because
some of these entities are thought forms or elementals which have consciousness, while others are the souls of those who are lost.
As many of you probably know, this is the kind of work that the Monroe
Institute is heavily involved in.
As Susan pointed out, "intent is everything." Whether or not we presume to do something like this as a group effort or to work as individuals, I think
we need to examine our motives. We need to ask ourselves whether we do this to rid the world of undesirables because we are uncomfortable with them
around or whether we do this to help another conscious being, even if this being could be labeled dark or evil.
I have a little trouble with the idea that it's "cool" to work as a group
with the victims of various holocausts. If we do this, I think it's necessary to realize that this should not be a game or a simple pastime to
do until we tire of it. We need to ask ourselves if we would pass the care of feeding of our own soul to another human who is titillated by using it as
a pawn in a game. I feel that this is sacred work and that it should be approached in that way.
The portal idea works, but disguising a place of light with darkness in
order to lure a being toward it, may be far from a kindness. I was taught by a shaman that when it comes to escorting or sending a being away from its
earth-bound state, whether that being "possesses" a body or whether it is simply lost and earthbound, that it does no good to simply send it to the
light. If the being were able to bear the light, then it would have gone there to begin with. More often than not if its discomfort level is
extreme, it will simply return. The idea, he said, is to send it to a "safe dark place where it will receive the care it needs." The implication is
that it is best to send these lost souls to a transitional place from which they can evolve at their own pace.
During this transition, the being may be allowed to forget all or part of
the trauma it has undergone, or in other ways receive the care it needs for its growth and adjustment.
Sharon
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-----Original Message----- From: Susan Carlson
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 1998 1:16 PM
Subject: ghosts and portals was rope, water...
>Angelique wrote:
> > .....snip
> Protection from spirits is easy.. but toss 'em out, pass the > buck....
> they just go bug someone else. Sending them Home instead is > merciful.
> Wandering lost spirit, is not an enviable state to be in. >.....snip
> >I know of people not on the list who would probably like to contribute.
>How cool! Choosing a site of death, like the Titanic or Auschwitz, or >Wounded Knee, or the Killing Fields in Cambodia, and create a vortex of
>energy for sufferring spirits to pass thru. >
>This could be a great service project for we on the list to contribute >to the elevation of the planet... with all the combined powerful love, k
>and discernment we have, we could make a huge difference in the quality >of existence for many beings, seen and unseen.
> >I know for many people on the list, this might be a huge paradigm buster
>if not down right scary, if not thinking 'this is absolutely wrong,' and >for you all...it is not necessary to contribute in this specific way or
>at all. Only for volunteers, intent is everything. >
>Ho'oponopono means 'to make right with God'. Prayers would be good way >to start for those who are not used to this kind of work.
> >
>So whaddya think Sister? Shall we do this? >
>Love, >Susan
> >______________________
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