1998/01/18 09:21
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #55
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 55
Today's Topics:
self defence [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Re: DIRECTION [ PEGLUMPKIN <PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com> ]
Titanic Nirvan [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: just a babbling brook as my grad [ Qwartz <QwartzATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Clarification on Some Fundamenta [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: DIRECTION [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
"Conversatins" [ Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: DIRECTION [ Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> ]
Re: "Conversatins" [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re. DIRECTION [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
Re:"Conversatins" [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:22:10 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: self defence
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Shahanshah has been accused of these four points from various list members
and herey I place my answers.
1. .....more of intellect and no heart
2. "I" this "I" that... too much of ego or "I"
3. enlightened ...an illusion
4. I need more attention from list members
Shahanshah pleads guilty to all these four points, and due to part
astuteness of some of the list members would continue to be a lurker more
of the time.
But my mild complaint with the list is...
1. From the begining I have said that Shahanshah is compassion but not
love. Love has always resulted in bliss sensations in my body in
meditation
and my awareness gets lost in the jungle of love bliss. While
compassion has resulted in pain always keeping me more aware. To my
intellect pain(dukkha) is the key to higher evolution.
2.Again from the beginning I have advocated growth of pure ego and I have
accepted it as a virtue. Have i ever denied that I am not a egoist.
Shahanshah(king of Kings) or direct son of God are in themselves
words that pure egoist will shout for.
3.My writings have always been that enlightments will come and go and
they are not the stages of permanency. They are rather stations and one
should meditate or progress in such a way that he moves away from
enlightment experience. It is Moksh and Nirvan one should aim for
4.Obviously I expected more attention from list members (who does not
want)so that I have not to repeat same points again and again. In last
four months that I have been with the list, some of these points I
must have repeated more than four five times.
What I have learnt is......
That overdose of intellect is what this list should not have. That there
are a few very good list members of heart and they should be allowed to
have full play. They by intution are able to help many needy members who
need their advise and that is why this list came over. Angelique and
Gloria Greco to name a few ar e the ones who are needed.
So I should try to be more of a lurker or a man of heart, if I
can,and I can practice egoism in my meditation or when I am alone. Nirvana
is the path of loners. Westerners k-energy persons feel lonely in their
society and get into problems with the socie ty if they expose
themselves.Indian k-energy persons are lucky that way. But a nirvanian has
to be lonely even in India.
Shahanshah
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 05:40:15 EST
From: PEGLUMPKIN <PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: DIRECTION
Message-ID: <b14edfc.34c1dc11ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-17 09:55:58 EST, Gene writes:
<< Did the Creator mean for human beings to DEVOLVE?
Or did the Creator's plan call for human beings to EVOLVE? >>
I would guess that the answer to both questions is YES. I would guess that we
have come from a cosmic period of individuation and separation and are moving
toward unification, and kundalini is a part of that process. I would guess it
somehow it relates to the Big Bang. What happens when the evolution in which
we participate is complete? (When I say "we," I think of consciousness, not
necessarily humans.) I would guess we head back the other direction, to the
Big Crunch. We begin the separation again. It's an eternal cosmic inhale and
exhale.
So do we have free will in this plan? I like the notion in the Kabbalah. The
Creator is Light. And science tells us (Planck and Leibniz) that light is a
radiant energy, with no mass or electrical charge, that is transmitted in
quanta, or photons, which seem to be motivated by a definite purpose. Light,
according to physicists, is intelligent, timeless, and spaceless, and it is
the purposeful cause of the material world. This is the description of God in
Kabbalah. Since time does not exist for light, all events exist at all times,
before and after manifesting, all in contact with each other. In this
scenario then, all is predestined. But luckily, we humans are imbued with a
perception of free will. As Einstein put, "Time is a most persistent
illusion."
I have found the holographic model for the universe helpful when trying to
comprehend this. I heard Sir Martin Rees, Astronomer Royal and president of
the British Association for the Advancement of Science, give a lecture on
cosmology. He said that, not only are there infinite numbers of infinite
universes, but that from any measuring point, you would always be at the
center of your infinite universe. And yet, he would not field theological or
philosophical questions, stating his field was only astronomy.
After reading THE SHAPE OF EVENTS TO COME by Gopi Krishna, kindly sent to me
from the KRF, I better understand Gene's motivation to put the pedal to the
metal and accelerate the human kundalini phenomenon. Yes, technology has
brought us to a time when every human body on the planet could be annihilated
in very short order. At the risk of sounding like a complete lunatic, I say,
"So what?" If consciousness is eternal, it's not dependent on inhabiting
carbon based life forms. Don't get me wrong, I am totally anti-nuclear and
understand Gopi Krishna's concern about atomic destruction. It is indeed
ironic that I owe my life to the atomic bomb. (My parents met while working
on the Manhattan Project, and they found out the day Hiroshima was bombed what
they had been working on.)
One of the topics we have discussed on the list before is the pervasiveness of
cataclysmic dreams that seem to accompany spiritual development. Apparently
Gopi Krishna dreamed of nuclear destruction. But dreams are symbolic. When
this finally sank in, I realized that my apocalyptic dreams were not literal.
I like the way John White put it when trying to explain that prophetic visions
of global destruction should not be taken literally. "Rather they seem to be
reflections of the collective psyche of our time, which is generating its own
images of planetary death and regeneration for which the sensitive souls of
our era serve as carriers."
Peg
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:56:51 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Titanic Nirvan
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Hi Mystress and your wish for the Titanic ghosts:
I wanted to input some suggestions from a friend who has been teaching me
some great methods to assist ghosts move on...
You wrote >>One ghost passing thru the doorway of my heart is a shiver,
what do a few hundred feel like? Hmmm. I will be more carefully prepared,
but still..
Any alternative rescuing techniques anyone out there can offer, would be
appreciated. I am getting some interesting info, myself.. constructing a
panama canal sized light doorway, for the captain to sail the whole boat
thru..? Hmmmm...>>>>
My friend does clearings of entities too.. with a group of other psychics.
I had not visited her side of the island for about 2 months and when I
went there last to visit her, I was surprised how different it felt. I had
always felt this oppression in this particular area.. there are looming
cliffs about 1200 feet almost sheer behind this town and it rains every
afternoon on the dot.. so it is always mildewy and rather damp feeling.
This area has had some strange hauntings by Hawaiian Night Walkers.. and
too many deaths and suicides in the area to be coincidental. I have a
story about this area at my geocities website - written as fiction about a
ghostly event, but it really happened.
So I asked her what happened as the town seemed so light and free and
entirely different. She said that on a regular basis she had been creating
portals (interdimensional) for ghosts, lost souls and dark entities to
enter the light. She and her friend spent several hours a day just going
around and picking up these entitiesand showing them where to go to get
out of this dimension. Some of these entities she says were very dark, and
would not like the light, so they covered the entrance with dark veils so
they would go towards it and then they would enter and be in the light.
She had been doing this at cemetaries for a long time she told me..
creating a portal with entrance ways that look inviting and safe, and then
inviting the lost souls to go into them. A tree makes a very good place
for a portal.
I was impressed, since the results of her work were clearly evident to me.
She said that the crime stats. in that area had also gone down, and it was
true that there were not so many fights and domestic distrubances in the
neighborhood. I would say in my experience that the place did not in any
way look or feel the same.. and I have been there enough years to tell you
that it was NOT a clear and friendly space before, and now it feels light,
clear and inspiring.
Other lightworker friends of mine do worm hole vacuums. This is where you
find a worm hole (don't ask me how to do that) I just seem to know how to
find them.. and use them like a vacuum sweeper and pull up all the dark
strands and strings around areas. My friend also does domes over areas
and by the use of colors can transmute a whole area into light and peace.
>> I find myself wondering, what would the planet feel like, if we
cleansed all of the old battlefields, and all of the cemeteries and
concentration camps of the lost souls that wander there?
>>
Well I can tell you how this town felt.. GREAT! A real ascension feeling.
I think this is quite within the range of most awakened people. We are
creative will after all.
Try it.. especially in a neighborhood that is noisy and see if it does not
calm down.
>> I am also wondering if the movie box office returns will drop, once
there are no longer spirits providing their stuck emotional energy for
ambience?
Blessings, Mystress.
Well Mystress.. the movie industry seems to be the propaganda arm of the
government both secret and overt, so if it is clearing their issues out
then let's have it all... and shine the light on it.. and get it GONE!
I think other universes are ready and waiting for our dross.
Ruth
******
So, for the individual..there is no purpose or goal except to be a vehicle
through which Source can amuse itself...[Satyam Nadeem]
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Ruth Trimble email:<trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
http://166.122.32.61/trimble/
*****
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:03:25 EST
From: Qwartz <QwartzATnospamaol.com>
To: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: just a babbling brook as my grade 8 art teacher would say
Message-ID: <48ba6477.34c1fd9fATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-17 09:42:35 EST, you (Holly) write:
<< Dear, dear iri, your post moved me very much. Within a couple of
years, my mother died, my best friend died, my husband left me and many
of my belongings were destroyed by the Northridge quake. Subsequently,
I gave up my house and my practice. Much like Job, I railed at God a
lot because I felt I just couldn't stand any more loss. I finally got
that I was being asked to really, really surrender, something I feel I
am only beginning to learn how to do. Most of all, I have to surrender
my need to understand everything. I have days when I feel very heavy,
as you do. I now know that, as tg wrote, this means I have separated
from God. On the other days, I know happiness that I haven't felt
since I was a child and the whole world was enchanted. This process is
progressive and intelligent, even if we don't feel that way sometimes.
Love, Holly >>
I can relate to this as well. When I was in my mid twenties, I experienced the
death of my father and the seperation (and eventual divorce) from my husband
and murder of my dog within a 3 month period. I walked away from my husband
and my life with no possessions. Like you, I experienced too much loss in a
short period of time, and that left me very angry, lonely, and bitter. But
what I realized once the grief and anger had subsided was that I had literally
been stripped of my present life so that I could indeed be reborn. And once I
let go of the tattered remains of my past, I was able to see life from a brand
new perspective that allowed me the wonderful freedom to start all over again
and to see with new eyes. That experience, as long and as dark as it was,
stripped me of a life that was going no where. But I like your analogy about
the days of happiness and being able to see and experience an enchanted life
as a child would. That's what truely happens, and you stated that so well.
Blessings
Pam
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:24:58 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Clarification on Some Fundamentals Invited]
Message-ID: <80cb0177.34c202acATnospamaol.com>
Rita>
Does consciousness reside in the brain? Or does it reside in the heart?
>>
Harsha writes: Anandjyoti gave a nice response. I would also point out to you,
that conceptually, there are three hearts which can be discussed. The Physical
Heart, The Psychic Heart Center (of Kundalini Yoga), and The Spiritual Heart,
which is another name for the Self. If we practice meditation and practice
remaining aware we note the movements of consciousness during the waking,
dreaming, and various Samadhi states. That is the most definitive way to
answer your question. Remain aware and find out. Remain Awake when you go to
sleep. The Self has no location. The Center is Everywhere. All manifestations
of consciousness are contained in it.
Harsha
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:25:10 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com, AfperryATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: DIRECTION
Message-ID: <f6254709.34c210c8ATnospamaol.com>
Gene Kieffer wrote:
<< << This would also show us, perhaps,
that a certain constitution, a certain hereditary predispostion, can
lead to the blossoming of tremendous talent and even Illumination in
some of the members of the group, while another type of constitution and
hereditary background leads to psychosis, mental stability, and even
insanity. >>
>>
Harsha writes: The perspective that the full potential of Kundalini (Divine
Intelligence Itself) is dependent upon heredity has serious limitations. Who
will decide whether someone is genetically ripe for the awakening or not? Is
this better not left to inner aspiration of each individual and to the Grace
of God. If someone loves God, thinks about God constantly, prays to God, weeps
for God, remembers God even in his sleep, who will have the authority to tell
such a person not to do it, lest it awaken the Kundalini and lead to
psychosis. Ramana Maharshi remained completely silent for almost three years
after his awakening, and for the next eight years spoke very little. By many
standards that would be considered abnormal. Swami Nityananda (Guru of Swami
Muktananda) by some standards acted outside the norm. Although he did not wish
to be bothered, his heart overflowed for the genuine spiritual aspirants. Many
other examples can be given of Saints in similar situations. It is better for
humanity that many Sages undertook to go through the mental and physical
suffering so that the message of Divine Life could be given.
Harsha
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:46:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
To: AES3DDDATnospamaol.com
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, sperpentATnospamdomin*rex.com,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, donBBensonATnospamaol.com
Subject: "Conversatins"
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At 03:03 AM 1/18/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Dear Gene, Anita here. The book "Conversations with God" was written by Neale
>Donald Walsch. Some of the truths I've found that were particularly profound,
>to me, in that book were the fact that you create your own reality, your own
>world, your own future. I've heard the concept before that God 'experiences'
>himself through us. It also states that feeling is the language of the soul.
>Every human action is based on love or fear (had heard that before as well).
>Good and evil is relative. If I do not go within, I GO WITHOUT. Both creation
>and evolution concept are correct (I've known that for a long time). Have
>gotten into Book II and although I find the 'truths' about sex outrageous, I
>feel there is truth in it. (Just don't know what to do with that truth at
>this time). "Religious" concepts are blasted wide open and a breath of fresh
>air gives life some 'flying time', freedom feeling. Wish I could remember
>more. Plan to actually study the books. Love, Anita. One in all and all in
>one.
>
>==+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Dear Anita,
Earlier, you had called Walsch's book, "Communications With God," which
threw me off, because I was well aware of "Conversations With God."
Frankly, I would not put any trust in the book. It just either
"channeling" or mostly, as you imply, rewritting of what has been
said interminably over the past three or four decades.
My question is, do you think anyone will remember Neal Walsch's
book ten years from now? Or five years from now?
"We create our own reality" makes me wonder why Ramakrishna and
Ramanamaharshi wanted to "create their own reality" by dying of
cancer at 35 and 37 respectively. They were both recognized and
are still recognized as Illuminated men.
And then there are, of course, the victims of the holacaust, who
died by the millions in "a reality they created?"
This whole notion about "creating our own reality," it seems
to me, needs critical examination. But then I could be wrong.
When I asked Gopi Krishna about such notions, he replied, "Do
you think the spiritual world is made out of Jello?"
Then then went on to explain that spiritual laws are far, far
more rigid, more solid, more concrete, more unassailable, more
unalterable, than physical laws. And we all know how rigid
physical laws are every time we slip and fall on the ice.
There are a lot of good inspirational books on the market, but
I would not place "Conversations With God" among them. That, again,
is just one person's opinion.
With all best wishes,
gene
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:55:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, sperpentATnospamdomin*rex.com,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, donBBensonATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: DIRECTION
Message-Id: <199801181555.KAA12912ATnospamdavinci.netaxis.COM>
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At 09:25 AM 1/18/98 EST, you wrote:
>Gene Kieffer wrote:
><< << This would also show us, perhaps,
> that a certain constitution, a certain hereditary predispostion, can
> lead to the blossoming of tremendous talent and even Illumination in
> some of the members of the group, while another type of constitution and
> hereditary background leads to psychosis, mental stability, and even
> insanity. >>
> >>
>Harsha writes: The perspective that the full potential of Kundalini (Divine
>Intelligence Itself) is dependent upon heredity has serious limitations. Who
>will decide whether someone is genetically ripe for the awakening or not? Is
>this better not left to inner aspiration of each individual and to the Grace
>of God. If someone loves God, thinks about God constantly, prays to God, weeps
>for God, remembers God even in his sleep, who will have the authority to tell
>such a person not to do it, lest it awaken the Kundalini and lead to
>psychosis. Ramana Maharshi remained completely silent for almost three years
>after his awakening, and for the next eight years spoke very little. By many
>standards that would be considered abnormal. Swami Nityananda (Guru of Swami
>Muktananda) by some standards acted outside the norm. Although he did not wish
>to be bothered, his heart overflowed for the genuine spiritual aspirants. Many
>other examples can be given of Saints in similar situations. It is better for
>humanity that many Sages undertook to go through the mental and physical
>suffering so that the message of Divine Life could be given.
>
>Harsha
>
>
>====
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Dear Harsha,
What you say above is certainly true, but again, this does not answer
the question of heredity. And nobody is saying that heredity should
cause anyone to decide, "Oh, heck, what's the use of trying, when my
family tree is so weak?"
Knowledge of Kundalini will allow humankind to overcome many, many
of the mental and physical handicaps that now plague the race. We need
to gain more knowlege of the evolutionary forces that shape our existence
so that we can overcome them. That is the purpose of Kundalini Research.
And nobody is going to say, "Here, now, Ms. Jones, why are you praying
when we all know that your aunt Lily was a tramp?" Evolution and heredity
are so complex that we cannot know what is shaping our thoughts and
desires. Even if ones family were to be composed of criminals going
way, way back, that does not mean that he/she must also become a
criminal. With knowledge of Kundalini, the parents of a child can
do a great deal to overcome both mental and physical handicaps.
With all best wishes,
gene
>
>
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:13:55 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com, AES3DDDATnospamaol.com
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, sperpentATnospamdomin*rex.com,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, DonBBensonATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: "Conversatins"
Message-ID: <48bb341d.34c22a45ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-18 10:54:38 EST, gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com writes:
<< "We create our own reality" makes me wonder why Ramakrishna and
Ramanamaharshi wanted to "create their own reality" by dying of
cancer at 35 and 37 respectively. They were both recognized and
are still recognized as Illuminated men.
>>
Dear Gene, With due respect to your knowledge about the great Indian Sages, I
question the factual content of your statement. Ramana Maharshi died at the
age of 70 of cancer. Ramakrishna was, I believe around 53. I love you Gene and
I respect you. But I truly wonder how much you know about the life of the
great Realized Sages. The nature of Self-Realization cannot be ascertained
from the physical shortcomings of the body. How long the body lives does not
have much to do with Self-Realization. It has to do with Karmas that have to
be worked out.
Best wishes
Harsha
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:17:56 EST
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re. DIRECTION
Message-ID: <33238d12.34c22b36ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Gene,
You seem to imply that evolution is simply a linear process. But how can it
be? Everything in Nature shows us cycles...within cycles......within
cycles.......ad nauseam! I'm sure that the zig-zags you surmise exist but they
are actually cycles, in other words local patterns of evolution not proceeding
in a straight and predictable line. And surely the driving power of evolution,
what I refer to as God's inherent nature, is the Law behind this cyclical
movement. God is Law and vice-versa. Evolution is a learning curve, not simply
a progression from worse to better (horrible, judgmental terms but you
understand my meaning!) which involves involution as well. How would we know
light if we did not have darkness to compare it with?
Evolution will never make sense in linear terms and, fortunately, its
direction will never be dictated by the whims of bulk-humanity whose sole
objective will always be to achieve a 'better' material or outer life.
Inevitably, this worldly objective is not always in accord with the Divine
Plan and humanity's divergence is what causes all the suffering on Earth. But
from it we learn, do we not? The Law of Cause and Effect - our greatest
teacher - the result of the application of our free will. We are the
architects of our own pleasure and our own pain, both individually and
collectively. We cannot blame anyone/anything else, including God. Evolution
leads us inexorably back to our Source, which is Unity: whatever leads towards
the manifestation of that Unity e.g. harmony, peace, love, truth, wisdom,
righteousness, etc., is in accord with the evolutionary energy. Whatever leads
towards greater separation is contrary to it.
But the Divine guides the evolution of His/Her/Its own manifestation, thank
goodness (and many believe that the Divine will even manifest as an avatar and
smooth things along a bit if we naughty children get too out of hand)!
Everything is Right with a capital R. Hard to see sometimes, I grant you, but
we must not be deluded by the external, the world of effects. In the Real
world, the world of causes, everything is just fine - and will always be. But
we must learn to surrender to it: do our best as we see it and leave the
results to God, as the Bhagavad Gita so exhorts us.
Blessings,
Alan
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:27:56 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: HeartZen <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re:"Conversatins"
Message-ID: <34C22D8C.6C62ATnospammail.snet.net>
Gene Kieffer wrote:
>
> At 03:03 AM 1/18/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >Dear Gene, Anita here. The book "Conversations with God" was written by Neale
> >Donald Walsch. Some of the truths I've found that were particularly profound,
> >to me, in that book were the fact that you create your own reality, your own
> >world, your own future. I've heard the concept before that God 'experiences'
> >himself through us. It also states that feeling is the language of the soul.
> >Every human action is based on love or fear (had heard that before as well).
> >Good and evil is relative. If I do not go within, I GO WITHOUT. Both creation
> >and evolution concept are correct (I've known that for a long time). Have
> >gotten into Book II and although I find the 'truths' about sex outrageous, I
> >feel there is truth in it. (Just don't know what to do with that truth at
> >this time). "Religious" concepts are blasted wide open and a breath of fresh
> >air gives life some 'flying time', freedom feeling. Wish I could remember
> >more. Plan to actually study the books. Love, Anita. One in all and all in
> >one.
> >
> >==+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Dear Anita,
>
> Earlier, you had called Walsch's book, "Communications With God," which
> threw me off, because I was well aware of "Conversations With God."
>
> Frankly, I would not put any trust in the book.
Nor would I in *any* book.
There is only 'thing' to place ones' trust in.
> It just either "channeling"
We are all channeling God right now.
> or mostly, as you imply, rewritting of what has been
> said interminably over the past three or four decades.
Does Truth change?
> My question is, do you think anyone will remember Neal Walsch's
> book ten years from now? Or five years from now?
Would that matter?
Maybe that one would remember the *meaning* does.
> "We create our own reality"
Or illusion. Our choice.
> makes me wonder why Ramakrishna and
> Ramanamaharshi wanted to "create their own reality" by dying of
> cancer at 35 and 37 respectively.
Christ died at 33.
> And then there are, of course, the victims of the holacaust, who
> died by the millions in "a reality they created?"
Man is One Spirit.
> This whole notion about "creating our own reality," it seems
> to me, needs critical examination. But then I could be wrong.
It is good to have an open mind
> Then then went on to explain that spiritual laws are far, far
> more rigid, more solid, more concrete, more unassailable, more
> unalterable, than physical laws.
Physical laws are reflections of spiritual law.
Spiritual law is unalterable but not concrete.
> And we all know how rigid
> physical laws are every time we slip and fall on the ice.
What if one dreams this and then wakens?
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