1998/01/18 02:43
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #54
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 54
Today's Topics:
Rope. Water. Ghosts. was Re: Digest [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: DIRECTION [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Re: Rope. Water. Ghosts. was Re: Dig [ Barbara Millikan <millikanATnospampnn.com> ]
Re: Rope. Water. Ghosts. was Re: Dig [ Solar Lion <gtaATnospamcwnet.com> ]
Re: Asthma [ jaxx <jaxxATnospamihug.co.nz> ]
Re: just a babbling brook as my grad [ RadiantTch <RadiantTchATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: just a babbling brook as my grad [ RadiantTch <RadiantTchATnospamaol.com> ]
Clarification on Some Fundamentals I [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:54:28
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net
Subject: Rope. Water. Ghosts. was Re: Digest #49
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Rope.
At 08:23 17/01/98 PST, Gloria Lee wrote:
>>
>>Maybe depends how far you want to be "led"?? But you have definitely
>been given enough rope to hang yourself...:))))
>
>______________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
Ack. Not funny. That really happens.
500 people accidentally commit suicide every year, playing with
autoerotic asphyxiation. Last year, one of the 500 was a beloved.
Saw it coming a mile away, written in his palm lines and his addiction to
breathlessness, born of childhood asthma and choking crises caused by birth
defects.
Addicted to NDE... one day it was bound to go too near and become DE.
Nothing I could do, to change his path. Tried with all my arts, and all
my love.
Almost all.. I could not bring myself to play those games with him.
Free will is. Miss him still.
No breath control games allowed in my dungeon.. house rules.
Keep the rope below the neck, please.. choose pleasures that allow you to
keep on breathing.
******************************
Water.
I have a new slave who is very psychic... he brought a guest last night
who he told about me, who really wanted to meet me, and was not sure why.. L.
I have learned to recognise the confusion of curiosity promptings from
higher self. Gave her K-fire. Woke the heart voice. Then she understood why
she had instinctively wanted to meet me. .. LOL!
When I asked her to ask the heart voice "by what term shall I refer to
you? What are you?", a tricky question to begin with, since Goddess is
nameless.. there was an energy shift, and then it said it's name was Moira.
Wot?
.. an uninvited guest.. they had just seen "Titanic".. the uninvited
guest was an irish maid who followed them home from the theatre. She was
knocked unconscious when a hatch cover fell on her head, and drowned when
the ship sank. A ghost-toastie from the Titanic. I spoke to her and
persuaded her into the light of my own heart.. shivered as she went out my
crown.
It was in the highest good. When Moira had gone, the woman told me she
had also been haunted by a small child at a previous residence. Summoned
it, sent it off into the light, as well.. this time into her heart and out
her crown chakra.. a tight squeeze, being newly opened.. she said it felt
like giving birth out the top of her head. Angels helped.
The ghost's prescence showed me what the seeker needed to learn. If not
for it's interference, I'd not have thought to teach such a newbie to do a
"rescue", or the difference between hearing a ghost, and hearing the voice
of God. Since she is prone to hauntings, it is good info for her to know.
I trust my house spell.. if the ghost had not been in the highest good,
it would have been tossed out by the house guardians before we even noticed
it's prescence.
Protection from spirits is easy.. but toss 'em out, pass the buck....
they just go bug someone else. Sending them Home instead is merciful.
Wandering lost spirit, is not an enviable state to be in.
Then we three sought more info on Titanic spooks.
There are over 600 ghosts associated with that old wreck.. many who
survived the sinking never recovered from the trauma, and so haunt it
anyways.. some went there after, seeking loved ones they had lost and never
stopped grieving.
Attention to this film is bringing them out of the deeps and into the
theatres.
This may be in the highest good.. some folks have ran away from scary
hauntings, and into Goddess' arms.. that is part of the purpose of the
dark. So we may have free will choices to choose from.
But I feel called to do a mass rescue. Send them Home.
Goddess gave me the idea, I trust She'll give me the juice to do the
deed. The Captain will help..
Still, I have never done a rescue on anything like this scale before..
mebbie no-one ever has.. the principle is the same... but your prayers,
love and support for myself, and those I seek to help, are certainly
appreciated.
One ghost passing thru the doorway of my heart is a shiver, what do a few
hundred feel like? Hmmm. I will be more carefully prepared, but still..
Any alternative rescuing techniques anyone out there can offer, would be
appreciated. I am getting some interesting info, myself.. constructing a
panama canal sized light doorway, for the captain to sail the whole boat
thru..? Hmmmm...
I find myself wondering, what would the planet feel like, if we cleansed
all of the old battlefields, and all of the cemeteries and concentration
camps of the lost souls that wander there?
I am also wondering if the movie box office returns will drop, once there
are no longer spirits providing their stuck emotional energy for ambience?
Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at
different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
-- Clive James
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:02:06 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
CC: AfperryATnospamaol.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: DIRECTION
Message-ID: <34C1467E.9CDATnospamblarg.net>
Gene writes:
> The purpose of the Kundalini Research Project that we have been
alluding to over the past two weeks would be to try to discover some
tiny part of the Law of Evolution, the direction of evolution, so that
our political, social, moral, educational leaders can begin to plan a
society, a lifestyle, that would conform more to the demands of
evolution.
.......................
Gene,
ARE YOU NUTS!
Count me out! I do not have any desire in turning over my "evolution" to
ANYONE so they can set up a "lifestyle" which will speed my progress
according to "THEIR Ideals!!!!!
Its been done, you know, and it doesn't work.....
Maybe you've heard of it.......RELIGION.
a whole lot of people, trying to get enlightenment by following another
entity's path................sounds limiting at best.....sure doesn't
smack of evolution.
It's one thing to list similarities which the so called "k-people'
share, its another to assume you could dupicate it by "conformity" what
are you thinking? Have you EVER come across ANY two entities who were
exactly alike? LET alone an entire species.
Maybe you should swith your "scientific" field to clonning.
--
..freda..
BE-IS-AM ...manifesting again...
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:00:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Barbara Millikan <millikanATnospampnn.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Rope. Water. Ghosts. was Re: Digest #49
Message-Id: <199801180100.RAA07102ATnospampnn.com>
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> Ack. Not funny. That really happens.
> 500 people accidentally commit suicide every year, playing with
>autoerotic asphyxiation. Last year, one of the 500 was a beloved.
> Addicted to NDE... one day it was bound to go too near and become DE.
> Nothing I could do, to change his path. Tried with all my arts, and all
>my love.
> Almost all.. I could not bring myself to play those games with him.
> Free will is. Miss him still.
Lady, I am sorry for your loss.
I do not play those games.
But let me ask, isn't part of what we do, as we let go and fall into orgasm
and release, as we become one with Spirit and flow everywhere,
aren't we practicing dying?
******************************
> I find myself wondering, what would the planet feel like, if we cleansed
>all of the old battlefields, and all of the cemeteries and concentration
>camps of the lost souls that wander there?
This is also something that Spirit asks of me. Others I know are also called
to do this. Perhaps it is the job of all who hear or see this. Certainly it
is a job that needs more people to do it.
When I find a place that cries out, I chant and smudge and ask that energy
return to the mother, or to whom it belongs. I can hear and feel much better
than I can see right now. (That's OK, I'll see when I'm ready) So I hear the
pain rather than seeing the ghosts.
Saturday I asked Spirit for help to clear a place on the road where there
had been two fatals in the last month.
The pain came at least as much from the angry survivors as the victims, and
helped trap the souls there. It made a vortex that called more to it.
Blessings,
Barbara
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:19:59 -0800
From: Solar Lion <gtaATnospamcwnet.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Rope. Water. Ghosts. was Re: Digest #49
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from established systems -
ie: where kundalini training came from to begin with.
patajalis sutras (one of hundreds of references)
any excess of any of the senses (sense gratification)
always leads to the same results
1.short term memory depravation
2.increasing inability to satisfy the senses leading
to more extreme attempts often to the point of
destruction of the mind and body.
3.intense enthusiasm for projects with the
increasing inability to finish them.
4.increasing inability to "get the point"
ie: deterioration of ability to understand concepts
5.inability to control ego
FYI - the tanrik has very little to do with sense gratification - it uses
sexual methods but that is not the point. and it is of extreme misuse to
point its focus to self or other personalities.
sense gratification in the long run always
leaves you with nothing.
Solar Lion (Bob)
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:17:50 +1300
From: jaxx <jaxxATnospamihug.co.nz>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Asthma
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Dear Ruth,
>Re the Asthma that you say is coming. My daughter had this as a child and
>was completely cured by a naturopathic Japanese doctor who had been
>educated both in the US and in Asia. He first started on the LIVER and
>cleansed and healed it. The cleansing program in is in Hulda Clark's book
>"The Cure for All Diseases" which has been posted in the past.. and which
>involves about 12 hours of your life, Epsom Salts and grapefruit.. after
>which you will never be quite the same and your weight will definitely go
>down! Then you can start 1000 mg of Vt. C. every single day.. with lots
>of clear fluids.
I have two boys diagnosed with Asthma... I would be very interested in this
book. Do you have an ISBN number for it??
thanx
...Jacqueline
ICQ # 4892374
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:18:09 EST
From: RadiantTch <RadiantTchATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: just a babbling brook as my grade 8 art teacher would say
Message-ID: <a109e7b.34c16664ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-17 09:42:36 EST, you write:
<< I have days when I feel very heavy,
as you do. I now know that, as tg wrote, this means I have separated
from God. On the other days, I know happiness that I haven't felt
since I was a child and the whole world was enchanted. This process is
progressive and intelligent, even if we don't feel that way sometimes. >>
Mirror, mirror on the wall............:-)
Barbara Ellen
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:21:53 EST
From: RadiantTch <RadiantTchATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: just a babbling brook as my grade 8 art teacher would say
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In a message dated 98-01-17 10:02:14 EST, you write:
<< My first thought, upon reading Iri's post, was that =something is giving
way=, not in our regular sense of death (funerals, etc.) but more like
shedding another skin. Sort of like in Tarot, where the Death card hardly
ever refers to physical death, but almost always to something giving way so
that something new can flower. Iri, maybe your spirit is about to soar to
new heights?
Jeanne >>
Thank you, Jeanne, for expressing a confirmation for my processes also. It's
nice to know that when I feel like sh*t, it's for a very divine reason! =)
Barbara Ellen
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:11:01 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Clarification on Some Fundamentals Invited]
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Re: Clarification on Some Fundamentals Invited
Date:
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From:
anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To:
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CC:
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References:
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Hi List ! This got returned due to wrong spelling of Kunadlini in the
original message received by me. Hence resent to the correct address.
Please disregard the attachment, as I have copied it below.
Thanks
Anandajyoti
ritag39ATnospamix.netcom.com wrote:
> With questions, arise more questions...
> Consciousness is simply knowing.
Anandajyoti> Consciousness is the energy and knowing it is becoming
aware of
it, physically, or becoming it, although knowing itself is intangible.
to say
it in a limited way.
Rita>
Does consciousness reside in the brain? Or does it reside in the heart?
Anandajyoti> The Conscious Principle ( or the Chitti- per Muktananda) ,
which
we may term as consciousness is vibrational state of the Uncreated (
Ajata
-per Ramana Maharshi). This Conscious principle exists throughout the
Universe. This Conscious Principle in order to make us also Conscious ,
uses
the material brain as the medium of its expression. The brain I would
say
encapsulates consciousness in a meaningful way, for each of us to
comprehend
and live as individuals. Each and every cell in our bodies are also
conscious
in a very limited way, compared to the brain.
What we call the heart is the seat of feelings, this heart which we all
talk
about is also intangible. The different vibratory states of
consciousness are
used through the various names which are assigned through language, by
humans, for easier comprehension.
Whether the consciousness resides in the tangible brain matter or the
intangible heart is another matter, for each of us have a different way
of
knowing it. Then one may ask, why different.
To answer it fully it would be long discourse, which I will not go in to
presently.
Knowledge is never created, it is always there, it is only discovered
through
our awareness of it.
When we discover a spiritual truth experientially , we could call them
mystics.
When we discover the knowledge in the physical plane , we call them
Scientists.
The Universal Essence- is the reality of all knowledge.
The moment this knowledge gives rise to the concepts of the knower , the
known, and knowing, immediately fragments, the Essence- The Conscious
Principle, when we are in the physical plane. To go more into details,
like
the mind , emotions, feelings etc., would take pages, so I would refrain
from
doing that now.
We all reside as spiritual entities, in the human structure, in the vast
Ocean of the Conscious Principle. The analogy for easy understanding
would be
the different planets, stars etc., floating in Space.
It cannot be definitely said that the consciousness resides in the brain
or
the heart. But from experience everyone would know that consciousness is
there.
When we are awake, we know what consciousness is. But when we are in
deep
sleep, we are not aware of our consciousness, but on waking up the next
morning we would infer that we had consciousness during sleep also,
because
we are still alive. Other wise someone else will find our body to be
dead,
without any consciousness.
I am not sure, if anyone including myself would be able to pinpoint what
knowing exactly is from our experience, in tangible terms.
Rita> Is it possible that the energy of consciousness comes from the
brain
and is felt in the heart?
Anandajyoti>
The energy of consciousness works through the tangible body, which
includes
the brain. The intangible heart, its exact location in the physical
body,
would be viewed differently by different people. Many attribute the
seat of
feelings of our heart is the physical heart, or any region near abouts.
If we observe ourselves, then we would find that our feelings whether
coming
from within or without, create responses in our physical heart, our
breathing, our movements etc.
The feelings , which many may attribute to the ego etc., are not in the
ego
either.
Feelings or inspiration, happiness, sadness, al these intangibles are
manifestation of the various vibratory rates of our consciousness, with
or
without our awareness of it. Only on focussing, on the feelings, either
being
generated internally or externally, we can find out, through our own
experiences, where they are coming from. Then the feelings change the
vibratory rate of consciousness, gets connected with the ego, or the
heart,
or our emotions, to manifest itself. The vibratory rates are different
when
it is manifesting through the ego, or the emotions, or the heart. Here
comes
our conscious need for discernment. Feelings are almost , in majority of
cases are attributed by us to be through touch, like heat and cold etc.
This
is only a fraction of the whole area of our feelings. When feelings come
to
us from the Spirit, we term it inspiration/intuition, when it comes as a
result of some outside stimulus, then our ego, emotions, and the mind ,
get
in the picture to give it final manifestation, as love, hate, sadness,
happiness, anger etc.
So yes , we can say, fragmentarily, that we feel our feelings in the
body,
whether the heart, or the brain, or any other part of our body, is
dependent
on the person having the feelings. Its experiential. and differs from
person
to person.
As an example, let us all have a cup of coffee, the same brew, and we
add two
spoonfuls of cream and sugar. So everything is same physically. Ten
people
taste it, now tell me, which one can definitely say that the sweetness,
or
bitterness, is the same as others tasted it. Words would be inadequate
to
define the exact sweetness, or bitterness for anyone.
So, its purely experiential.
Rita>
Or it starts at the heart center and is processed through the brain?
Anandajyoti>
This heart center which many attribute to the physical heart , is
different
in my view. The heart center is in our subtle body, and its responses
are
reflected in the physical body around the physical heart.
We must first become aware , the origins of the source for which
feelings are
manifesting in body, mind, emotions, in the total perspective , in our
consciousness.
Many , I am sure, go to meetings, and become aware that something about
the
environment in that meeting does not feel right. Its hard to explain,
but
some may feel suffocated, have some feelings of uneasiness. Those who
are
sensitive and aware may grasp these feelings, and if you ask others,
they may
say they felt noting at all. So this also os experiential, varies from
person
to person.
One may come in the energy field of another, and have similar feelings.
So, feelings are the manifestation of responses in our bodies,
emotions,
mind etc. of our experience, whatever it may be.
I would not want to get in to details here, for it would be to long.
Rita>
Is mind and heart the same thing?
Anandajyoti>
I don't think so. Would you or anyone else? But on the other hand there
could be many who may say that the heart and the mind are the same. It's
their concept. I have nothing against those holding that view.
In my experience, everything is the play of CONSCIOUSNESS, in the
Ultimate
Sense.
Rita>
The "mind" in the sense of consciousness knows all emotional feeling
states
associated with that "knowing". So in a sense they could be the same
thing.
Anandajyoti>
The mind is intangible, and its a wave of the consciousness, not the
whole of
consciousness, in my experience. The mind is a medium on which, all our
experiences are reflected and recorded. There are many who also think
that
the physical brain is the mind. So it would be another rigmarole of
concepts
and terminology, which I would stay from.
In my view, the human brain is the organ which encapsulates the mind/
consciousness. In other words, the brain is function of Consciousness,
and
consciousness is not a function of the brain.
Certain vibrations of our consciousness, produces certain responses in
our
minds and bodies, and we experience the effects. I will leave it at this
point.
Anandajyoti.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:59:58 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
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ritag39ATnospamix.netcom.com wrote:
> With questions, arise more questions...
> Consciousness is simply knowing.
Anandajyoti> Consciousness is the energy and knowing it is becoming aware of
it, physically, or becoming it, although knowing itself is intangible. to say
it in a limited way.
Rita>
Does consciousness reside in the brain? Or does it reside in the heart?
Anandajyoti> The Conscious Principle ( or the Chitti- per Muktananda) , which
we may term as consciousness is vibrational state of the Uncreated ( Ajata
-per Ramana Maharshi). This Conscious principle exists throughout the
Universe. This Conscious Principle in order to make us also Conscious , uses
the material brain as the medium of its expression. The brain I would say
encapsulates consciousness in a meaningful way, for each of us to comprehend
and live as individuals. Each and every cell in our bodies are also conscious
in a very limited way, compared to the brain.
What we call the heart is the seat of feelings, this heart which we all talk
about is also intangible. The different vibratory states of consciousness are
used through the various names which are assigned through language, by
humans, for easier comprehension.
Whether the consciousness resides in the tangible brain matter or the
intangible heart is another matter, for each of us have a different way of
knowing it. Then one may ask, why different.
To answer it fully it would be long discourse, which I will not go in to
presently.
Knowledge is never created, it is always there, it is only discovered through
our awareness of it.
When we discover a spiritual truth experientially , we could call them
mystics.
When we discover the knowledge in the physical plane , we call them
Scientists.
The Universal Essence- is the reality of all knowledge.
The moment this knowledge gives rise to the concepts of the knower , the
known, and knowing, immediately fragments, the Essence- The Conscious
Principle, when we are in the physical plane. To go more into details, like
the mind , emotions, feelings etc., would take pages, so I would refrain from
doing that now.
We all reside as spiritual entities, in the human structure, in the vast
Ocean of the Conscious Principle. The analogy for easy understanding would be
the different planets, stars etc., floating in Space.
It cannot be definitely said that the consciousness resides in the brain or
the heart. But from experience everyone would know that consciousness is
there.
When we are awake, we know what consciousness is. But when we are in deep
sleep, we are not aware of our consciousness, but on waking up the next
morning we would infer that we had consciousness during sleep also, because
we are still alive. Other wise someone else will find our body to be dead,
without any consciousness.
I am not sure, if anyone including myself would be able to pinpoint what
knowing exactly is from our experience, in tangible terms.
Rita> Is it possible that the energy of consciousness comes from the brain
and is felt in the heart?
Anandajyoti>
The energy of consciousness works through the tangible body, which includes
the brain. The intangible heart, its exact location in the physical body,
would be viewed differently by different people. Many attribute the seat of
feelings of our heart is the physical heart, or any region near abouts.
If we observe ourselves, then we would find that our feelings whether coming
from within or without, create responses in our physical heart, our
breathing, our movements etc.
The feelings , which many may attribute to the ego etc., are not in the ego
either.
Feelings or inspiration, happiness, sadness, al these intangibles are
manifestation of the various vibratory rates of our consciousness, with or
without our awareness of it. Only on focussing, on the feelings, either being
generated internally or externally, we can find out, through our own
experiences, where they are coming from. Then the feelings change the
vibratory rate of consciousness, gets connected with the ego, or the heart,
or our emotions, to manifest itself. The vibratory rates are different when
it is manifesting through the ego, or the emotions, or the heart. Here comes
our conscious need for discernment. Feelings are almost , in majority of
cases are attributed by us to be through touch, like heat and cold etc. This
is only a fraction of the whole area of our feelings. When feelings come to
us from the Spirit, we term it inspiration/intuition, when it comes as a
result of some outside stimulus, then our ego, emotions, and the mind , get
in the picture to give it final manifestation, as love, hate, sadness,
happiness, anger etc.
So yes , we can say, fragmentarily, that we feel our feelings in the body,
whether the heart, or the brain, or any other part of our body, is dependent
on the person having the feelings. Its experiential. and differs from person
to person.
As an example, let us all have a cup of coffee, the same brew, and we add two
spoonfuls of cream and sugar. So everything is same physically. Ten people
taste it, now tell me, which one can definitely say that the sweetness, or
bitterness, is the same as others tasted it. Words would be inadequate to
define the exact sweetness, or bitterness for anyone.
So, its purely experiential.
Rita>
Or it starts at the heart center and is processed through the brain?
Anandajyoti>
This heart center which many attribute to the physical heart , is different
in my view. The heart center is in our subtle body, and its responses are
reflected in the physical body around the physical heart.
We must first become aware , the origins of the source for which feelings are
manifesting in body, mind, emotions, in the total perspective , in our
consciousness.
Many , I am sure, go to meetings, and become aware that something about the
environment in that meeting does not feel right. Its hard to explain, but
some may feel suffocated, have some feelings of uneasiness. Those who are
sensitive and aware may grasp these feelings, and if you ask others, they may
say they felt noting at all. So this also os experiential, varies from person
to person.
One may come in the energy field of another, and have similar feelings.
So, feelings are the manifestation of responses in our bodies, emotions,
mind etc. of our experience, whatever it may be.
I would not want to get in to details here, for it would be to long.
Rita>
Is mind and heart the same thing?
Anandajyoti>
I don't think so. Would you or anyone else? But on the other hand there
could be many who may say that the heart and the mind are the same. It's
their concept. I have nothing against those holding that view.
In my experience, everything is the play of CONSCIOUSNESS, in the Ultimate
Sense.
Rita>
The "mind" in the sense of consciousness knows all emotional feeling states
associated with that "knowing". So in a sense they could be the same thing.
Anandajyoti>
The mind is intangible, and its a wave of the consciousness, not the whole of
consciousness, in my experience. The mind is a medium on which, all our
experiences are reflected and recorded. There are many who also think that
the physical brain is the mind. So it would be another rigmarole of concepts
and terminology, which I would stay from.
In my view, the human brain is the organ which encapsulates the mind/
consciousness. In other words, the brain is function of Consciousness, and
consciousness is not a function of the brain.
Certain vibrations of our consciousness, produces certain responses in our
minds and bodies, and we experience the effects. I will leave it at this
point.
Anandajyoti.
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