1998/01/17 16:56
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #53
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 53
Today's Topics:
Re: Re. DIRECTION [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
DIRECTION [ Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> ]
Re: DIRECTION [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Re. DIRECTION [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Asthma [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #52 [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: DIRECTION [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: DIRECTION [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: DIRECTION [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ]
Re: Biomagnetics > KA > Radiant Bein [ Nancy Eckert <watrfallATnospamniagara.com> ]
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:48:01 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
CC: gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re. DIRECTION
Message-ID: <34C0A87A.4481ATnospamintercomm.com>
Afperry wrote:
Gloria here:
This is beautifully shared, we are indeed on the great stage of
revealtion, and all who are in direct consciousness with God carry the
light of change which is empowering evolution. It is happening right
before our eyes. Is this not true?
>
> Dear Gene,
>
> I was interested in your posting regarding the direction of evolution. May I
> enter the fray by venturing a personal, itemised perspective:
>
> 1. Evolution cannot be explained: it is simply inherent in God´s nature to
> know Him/Her/Itself and seek ever-greater perfection.
>
> 2. The undifferentiated Unity becomes differentiated by Its desire to know the
> infinite potential of Its own being (the involution of spirit into matter) and
> in accordance with this innate impulse returns ultimately to Its
> undifferentiated state (the evolution of spirit from matter). This cyclical
> process is everywhere evidenced in Nature, the micro- as well as the
> macrocosm.
>
> 3. We are God. God is us. We are both the Source and the Goal and our apparent
> separation has been caused only by ignorance (perhaps the term ‘maya´ sums it
> up best). The ‘pilgrimage of the soul´ is simply a journey back to knowledge
> of our real nature. (In a Unity there can be no parts, which would be a
> multiplicity however inter-connected, and that Unity must therefore exist in
> its totality everywhere, including in each of us. Sometimes I think we
> overlook the enormity of what THE ONE actually implies).
>
> 4. The force that impels cosmic evolution is therefore our own inherent nature
> too, but once we have acquired self-consciousness and thence discrimination
> through life/karma, we can opt to work consciously with this impulse and
> accelerate our evolution. The destination for all of us has never been in
> doubt, only the speed and manner in which we reach it. To this extent, it must
> be said that an evolutionary blueprint exists and that we cannot travel in the
> wrong direction in the long term. (Incidentally, whether we as individuals
> actually have free will is surely not important as long as we believe we have;
> it´s simply a question of whether we see the whole picture or just a limited
> part of it).
>
> 5. This force is God´s dynamic power in us, as in the whole cosmos, call it
> shakti or what you will - the power that creates, preserves, destroys and re-
> creates. We are each simply an expression of that Divine creative energy - a
> co-creator with the Divine, not a creation distinct from some external
> Creator.
>
> 6. Energy dissipated is weak, focused it becomes power. As we evolve,
> initially through this Divine impulse but later consciously, we naturally
> focus our lives/minds towards our Source and this is greatly intensified by
> meditation and allied spiritual disciplines (which commence when the inner
> impulse reaches a certain clarity in our external lives). The creative energy
> is thereby harnessed as the mind focuses and internalises, and we become aware
> of the power build-up within ourselves. This is what we identify as kundalini,
> the Divine creative power now in Its heightened, transformative aspect i.e.
> the evolutionary power of our own Higher Self harnessed by our life-mode.
>
> 7. Kundalini is not imposed on us: IT IS US - the quintessence, the real us
> in our most vibrant aspect, although we may identify it as separate from us as
> a God/Goddess or power outside the Self. The kundalini is simply the Divine in
> His/Her/Its kinetic aspect and is therefore present in everyone; only the
> expression and degree differ. Its awakening is inherently natural and will
> occur to everyone at the right time and in the right manner, not necessarily
> suddenly, and is therefore no more special than any other stage of evolution
> (although our egos may not agree <g>). Science and bulk-humanity will catch up
> with this when the time is right and not before.
>
> Just my thoughts and intuitions!
>
> With blessings,
> Alan
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:49:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
To: AfperryATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: DIRECTION
Message-Id: <199801172149.QAA08789ATnospamdavinci.netaxis.COM>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Alan Perry wrote (in part):
>The destination for all of us has never been in doubt, only the speed and
manner in >which we reach it. To this extent, it must be said that an
evolutionary blueprint >exists and that we cannot travel in the wrong
direction in the long term. >(Incidentally, whether we as individuals
actually have free will is surely not >important as long as we believe we
have; it's simply a question of whether we see >the whole picture or just a
limited part of it).
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Dear Alan,
I read with great interest your position (only a small part of which is
quoted above) on the direction of human evolution, and I find it hard to
disagree with any part of it. Much of what you have written, however, is
rather abstract, divorced, so to speak, from our everyday lives.
Let's say that someone "up there" has a stop-motion camera and has
photographed the human caravan since about 50,000 years ago. And now
we have in our hands a tremendously speeded up movie of these past
50,000 years, presenting the entire evolution of humankind in that period
of time in just 30 minutes. Then we would be able to see how we zigzaged
up and down, back and forth, over a period of 50,000 years.
Examining this slow-motion history of evolution, we might discern
certain activities that would lead us to discover that sometimes evolution
proceeded fairly rapidly in a rather straight line; and then at other times,
evolution made great detours. Closer examination of the slow-motion
footage might show us that those pockets of civilization that seemed to
make the greatest evolutionary progress had developed a lifestyle that
was different from that of those pockets that didn't, leading us to
speculate that a certain kind of lifestyle is more conducive to rapid
evolution than another kind of lifestyle.
Of course, all this is hypothetical. But let's say that we can
(hyopthtically) greately speed up the evolutionary processes in a select
group of human beings, so that each one experiences 10,000 years of
"normal" evolution in just ten years. This would also show us, perhaps,
that a certain constitution, a certain hereditary predispostion, can
lead to the blossoming of tremendous talent and even Illumination in
some of the members of the group, while another type of constitution and
hereditary background leads to psychosis, mental stability, and even
insanity.
This knowledge, then, would cause most intelligent people to strive
to develop a lifestyle that would be much more conducive to healthy
evolutionary development than the lifestyle humankind has developed
without such guidance or knowledge.
At present, a bulk of humankind is striving to emulate the lifestyle
developed by the industrialized countries. If all goes as
planned, almost all of the world will shotly be living pretty much like we
do here in America, Europe and Japan.
Since we do not have the imaginary slow-motion film of our gradual
ascent from animal to humans as we find ourselves at the end of the
20th Century, we cannot be certain that our present lifestyle is in
conformance with Evolutionary Laws or not.
Now of course we can argue that there aint no such thing as Evolutionary
Laws, but since there are physical laws governing everything else in the
universe, it would be hard to imagine that evolution is the only process
that is "lawless" or without any constraints whatsoever.
The purpose of the Kundalini Research Project that we have been
alluding to over the past two weeks would be to try to discover some
tiny part of the Law of Evolution, the direction of evolution, so that
our political, social, moral, educational leaders can begin to plan a
society, a lifestyle, that would conform more to the demands of evolution.
With all best wishes,
gene
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:34:34 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
CC: AfperryATnospamaol.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: DIRECTION
Message-ID: <34C0B361.6EBEATnospamintercomm.com>
Gene Kieffer wrote:
>
> Alan Perry wrote (in part):
>
> >The destination for all of us has never been in doubt, only the speed and
> manner in >which we reach it. To this extent, it must be said that an
> evolutionary blueprint >exists and that we cannot travel in the wrong
> direction in the long term. >(Incidentally, whether we as individuals
> actually have free will is surely not >important as long as we believe we
> have; it's simply a question of whether we see >the whole picture or just a
> limited part of it).
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
Gene shares:
> Now of course we can argue that there aint no such thing as Evolutionary
> Laws, but since there are physical laws governing everything else in the
> universe, it would be hard to imagine that evolution is the only process
> that is "lawless" or without any constraints whatsoever.
>
> The purpose of the Kundalini Research Project that we have been
> alluding to over the past two weeks would be to try to discover some
> tiny part of the Law of Evolution, the direction of evolution, so that
> our political, social, moral, educational leaders can begin to plan a
> society, a lifestyle, that would conform more to the demands of evolution.
Gloria:
I think if we are all asked if we could come up with the lifestyle that
would enhance the process of evolution, it would be very easy to bring
it down. However, this lifestyle awareness applies to those of us
already working with the law and understand the importance of such
attitudes as humility, surrender, and faith to the individual, while on
a collective bases we need a very mature understanding of social
responsiblity and being a part of the brotherhood of man.
This then gets down to doing what comes to each of us to enhance the
brotherhood aspect here on the planet. Doing those things that take us
out of our individual awareness and consciousness into the awareness of
dealing with the experience from the collective is an entirely different
thing.
When you get to a certain place in the evolutionary process it become
completely natural to open up and take on so to say those
responsiblities that are just right there in front of all of us. I think
it is important to say this naturally evolves as the consciousness
matures. The problem is that it can't be pushed, or manipulated, it is
something that each soul must aspire to, and when it happens it becomes
natural to do things like starting newspapers or taking other peoples
children, or feeding the hungry and the poor, or helping on the
internet, etc. These are those maturing aspects of the consciousness
that thrusts us into the union as we forget ourselves and we become the
other. This is evolution in direct consciousness.
I remember when I was in my early twenties and I told my father and
mother that Dennis and I were going to take foster children, in fact,
teen age girls that no one else wanted. (Our girls were maybe 3 and 4
years old, at the time we had everything going for us financially and we
had nothing but an easy road in front of us.)
Dennis and I knew we could do more, it was all to easy, we had to
reach and not be so comfortable especially when we could see others that
had so little and were hurting. Dad said, why are you doing this, don't
you know these problems are societies responsibility. I said, yes but I
am society, I am responsible, so it is my problem. It took a while for
him to understand this, but he did, and accepted it fully and supported
us completely. Now, going back into it in our fifties he says yes, this
is something you and Dennis are really good at, and it is a good idea.
But, this awareness of social responsiblity is very high with me, it
has been with me since I was a child, if someone was hurting I felt it
and would go to them like I was pulled by a magnet. Not because I
thought I could do anything, but because I knew I had to participate to
make it better. And, somehow the participation always does make it
better, but this is from consciousness not from law. It is from soul
energy, not from human energy, it is also from trust in God and not from
trust in human justice.
So while yes, I can say these are things that everyone should do, noone
will relate to the doing until something inside of them urges them to
take on that other persons pain. Since so often the individual is kept
very busy working at handling their own pain and that of their family,
it is important that this process be allowed to continue also.
So the quetion is this, what can we expect from ourselves, and what is
realistic to expect from others? Anyone have input on this?? Gloria
>
>
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Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:34:23 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: AfperryATnospamaol.com, gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re. DIRECTION
Message-ID: <c86c8d44.34c131f1ATnospamaol.com>
Harsha writes: I particularly enjoyed reading these two paragraphs that Alan
wrote. Beautiful put, very poetic and philosophical insights.
In a message dated 98-01-17 15:58:08 EST, AfperryATnospamaol.com writes:
<< 6. Energy dissipated is weak, focused it becomes power. As we evolve,
initially through this Divine impulse but later consciously, we naturally
focus our lives/minds towards our Source and this is greatly intensified by
meditation and allied spiritual disciplines (which commence when the inner
impulse reaches a certain clarity in our external lives). The creative energy
is thereby harnessed as the mind focuses and internalises, and we become
aware
of the power build-up within ourselves. This is what we identify as
kundalini,
the Divine creative power now in Its heightened, transformative aspect i.e.
the evolutionary power of our own Higher Self harnessed by our life-mode.
7. Kundalini is not imposed on us: IT IS US - the quintessence, the real us
in our most vibrant aspect, although we may identify it as separate from us
as
a God/Goddess or power outside the Self. The kundalini is simply the Divine
in
His/Her/Its kinetic aspect and is therefore present in everyone; only the
expression and degree differ. Its awakening is inherently natural and will
occur to everyone at the right time and in the right manner, not necessarily
suddenly, and is therefore no more special than any other stage of evolution
(although our egos may not agree <g>). Science and bulk-humanity will catch
up
with this when the time is right and not before.
Just my thoughts and intuitions!
With blessings,
Alan
>>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:40:40 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Asthma
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.980117122701.27849C-100000ATnospamuhunix4>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Hi Amy and Susan:
Re the Asthma that you say is coming. My daughter had this as a child and
was completely cured by a naturopathic Japanese doctor who had been
educated both in the US and in Asia. He first started on the LIVER and
cleansed and healed it. The cleansing program in is in Hulda Clark's book
"The Cure for All Diseases" which has been posted in the past.. and which
involves about 12 hours of your life, Epsom Salts and grapefruit.. after
which you will never be quite the same and your weight will definitely go
down! Then you can start 1000 mg of Vt. C. every single day.. with lots
of clear fluids.
Cut out soda and caffeine. The idea is that the adrenal
system is overloaded because the liver is not cleaning out the toxins and
the toxins are buidling up in the tissues. So clean out the liver, let it
do its job properly and it will take care of all your asthma problem as
God intended. But when we clog it up with food additives, the junk in Coke
and all the other non-food stuff that we endure through processed food, it
just gets clogged up.. not to mention the parasites that invade it through
the chemical junk we eat etc... it is quite a simple solution, but if you
go to the medical estab. well you are looking at a lot of money, more and
more strange concoctions of drugs that will create more and more problems
for you in other symptoms, and you will go down hill gradually.
This all happened to my kid. From the day she went to this doctor, her
liferadically changed from an invalid to an super healthy kid who never had
any single disease except conjunctivitis! This doctor had what is called
a R*** machine which put healing energy through the liver. Hulda Clark's
book tells you how to make a simple version of this... these machines
have been carefully banned in the US so he could never advertise his
services and he had to screen all his patients. Now how about that for a
free society? Thisis the world as we know it. So keep this a secret.. it
is just between you and I and the K. list.. there is a simple cure for
asthma... but it is free... that is its crime. No one can make money on
it... just your boss because yuou will not be off sick now!!ATnospam#
With love, Ruth
PS subsequent friends with asthma prone children have gone through this
same program of treatment and it has worked 100% and these kids have gone
on to live full and healthy lives.
******
Consciousness is ALL there IS.... (Satyam Nadeem-who got this from Ramesh
Balthazar-who got it from Shri Nasargadata....)...Do you GET it?
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:44:49 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #52
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.980117124335.27849E-100000ATnospamuhunix4>
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Hi AF PERRY Just a note on your TEXT... it appears unreadable almost to
me. I would like to know if you can change it to eliminate some of the
funny symbols. 'Thanks: >>Dear Gene,=0A=0AI was interested in your
posting regarding the direction = of evolution. May I=0Aenter the fray by
venturing a personal, itemised pe= rspective:=0A=0A1. Evolution cannot be
explained: it is simply inherent i= n God=92s nature to=0Aknow
Him/Her/Itself and seek ever-greater perfectio= n.=0A=0A2. The
undifferentiated Unity becomes differentiated by Its desir= e to know
the=0Ainfinite potential of Its own being (the involution of sp= irit into
matter) and=0Ain accordance with this innate impulse returns ul= timately
to Its=0Aundifferentiated state (the evolution of spirit from ma= tter).
*****
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:46:40 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com, AfperryATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: DIRECTION
Message-ID: <3507c1c8.34c134d2ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-17 16:58:06 EST, gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com writes:
<< This would also show us, perhaps,
that a certain constitution, a certain hereditary predispostion, can
lead to the blossoming of tremendous talent and even Illumination in
some of the members of the group, while another type of constitution and
hereditary background leads to psychosis, mental stability, and even
insanity. >>
My dearest Gene,
the statement made above is an exception as it implies that some people are
biologically more "gifted" and will benefit from the ascent of Kundalini
Shakti whereas in others it would lead to psychosis and even insanity.
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:52:29 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com, AfperryATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: DIRECTION
Message-ID: <a293b0cb.34c1362fATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-17 16:58:06 EST, gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com writes:
<< This would also show us, perhaps,
that a certain constitution, a certain hereditary predispostion, can
lead to the blossoming of tremendous talent and even Illumination in
some of the members of the group, while another type of constitution and
hereditary background leads to psychosis, mental stability, and even
insanity. >>
Harsha writes: Sorry Gene, my last message got sent while I was still writing
it. Your statement implies that some are more biologically suited for the
Kundalini awakening than others. You suggest that in some people Kundalini
awakening may lead to psychosis or insanity. Are you aware that some of the
great Spiritual Masters of India (like Ramakrishna Paramhansa) were initially
considered insane.
Harsha
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:59:20 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: DIRECTION
Message-ID: <34c337c5.17800251ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
Now of course we can argue that there aint no such thing as
Evolutionary Laws, but since there are physical laws governing
everything else in the universe, it would be hard to imagine that
evolution is the only process that is "lawless" or without any
constraints whatsoever.
The only "Laws" governing the universe or evolution are the one we
created for ourselves and revise every so often. The Universe need not
pay attention to these "laws". Dimensions, Time, Laws, Measurements
and Mathematics all created by Man, a fallible creature.
We don't like to get up while it's still dark. Create daylight savings
time. Mary and Ethel both go to market to buy spun wool. Ethel
complains Mary got twice as much wool for the same price. Hence, the
ruler. Adam and Eve wake up in the Garden, take a look around and
create God, for any needed explanations.
After 4,000 years of making up "laws" and explanations for ourselves,
maybe we should just kick back and listen to what nature and the
universe have to say for themselves.
Jack
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 06:19:00 -0500
From: Nancy Eckert <watrfallATnospamniagara.com>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
CC: acarreATnospamconcentric.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Biomagnetics > KA > Radiant Being
Message-ID: <34D5ABA4.144AATnospamniagara.com>
Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> I asked about the effects of microwaved food on humans: Matt said it was
> subtle, and won't show up for decades.
> I asked about the effect of microwaved food on me: M. said that my higher
> vibration energy protects me from the effects, my computer is a bigger
> concern. I was directed to adjust the protective bubble spell on the
> computer, that keeps it from being crashed by my K.flares, to filter out
> the harmful vibrations. M. also suggested physical shielding.
I've often wondered about the effects of microwaved food also. The other
thing is being close to the microwave while it's working. Sometimes if I
lean behind it to get something my head feels like it's starting to
vibrate inside and I could possibly hurt myself. Needless to say I don't
do that anymore:) My ex is an electronics technician and he has always
said that microwaves are perfectly safe becuase they run on the same
wavelengths as TV's and radios and we don;t get sick from them... but I
have never trusted his opinion.
Here's one for you...
Have you tried putting energy back into ordinary dead batteries. My
boyfriend and I are having great fun with this, we tried it on a lark
and it works! My remote went dead the one evening and we didn't want to
go over to the store to get more... and heaven forbid we get up to
change the channels:) So we tried putting energy in them and it works
batteries have been dead for 2 months now but we just keep charging them
up. The funny thing is that the remote works better than ever... you can
even point it at your forehead and it will change the channels:)
take care
Nancy
> Because of the spell, when my computer crashes, it is always in the
> highest good, and I only lose what I have been working on in the moment.
> Usually it is angels editing my posts, (Not good enough! Too much ego
> messing up the message in that one.. start over.) and the screen freezes
> and I must hit reset.
> The next night after I'd adjusted the spell, I finished and queued a
> post, and was considering beginning another when my computer crashed right
> out of windows, into DOS. This is a new kind of crash. I got a very clear
> message: enough computer vibes for one night, time to quit. Thankyou Goddess.
> ****************************
> I tested the waterbed heater before I filled the mattress, it was
> working.. but now it isn't. I am wondering if it has been interrupted in
> the highest good, so I am not sleeping over an electrical coil anymore? I
> have postponed replacing the heater, I think I might get a better
> insulating mattress cover, and save the electric.
> I like sleeping on a bag of water. The water itself, gets to carry my
> personal vibe, after a while. My warm nest.. my favorite place when the K.
> fire&ice is freezing my bones trembly.. that hasn't happened in a while,
> tho.. perhaps that phase is past?
> Blessings, Mystress.
>
> At 15:16 15/01/98 -0500, acarre wrote:
> >
> >Those K raise this magnetic protective field of
> >the body? I believe so... magnets may help
> >meanwhile.
> >
> >Antoine
> >--
>
> Mystress Angelique Serpent,
> Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
> Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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> different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
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