1998/01/15 19:38
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #47
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 47
Today's Topics:
Mudras (was beyond culture) [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: Urdhvaretas summary [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: shaktipat, obligations, connecti [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
signs of chakra? [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Re: Gender and Kundalini (was Scient [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: Gender and Kundalini (was Scient [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Natures Test [ John Lounsberry <berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net ]
Re: signs of chakra? [ RndmOne <RndmOneATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Gender and Kundalini (was Scient [ Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> ]
unenlightened humor *-) [ Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> ]
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:48:20 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>,
"Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D." <hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com>
Subject: Mudras (was beyond culture)
Message-ID: <34BE8424.AA417F69ATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
------Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
I know I am not the only one who, during a spontaneous awakening, found
> her hands assuming odd positions and then later discovered these were
> called mudras. I not only welcome the immense wisdom behind the
> terminology, I have since been introduced to a whole world of art I
> never paid much attention to before -- collections of Hindu and
> Buddhist antiquities I've since seen at the Art Institute in Chicago
> and at the Sackler Gallery here in Washington. Just as I feel a
> certain kinship with poets and contemporary painters who "see,"
> learning the language of anyone trying to describe the ineffable,
> eastern or western, allows me to feel connected beyond time. For
> Christmas, my sister gave me a book on "Voudou," and there it was, that
> snake again! Holly
>
>
> >
> > I know I am not the only one who, during a spontaneous awakening, found
> > her hands assuming odd positions and then later discovered these were
> > called mudras.
> >snip ...
> L. Conjar says:
> Speaking of mudras, since my Kundalini activity never stops, I have
> tried to find a book which gives a comprehensive description of mudras
> and have not had much success. Kriyas and mudras are part of my normal
> waking life. Sometimes I fully understand the meaning, but at other
> times I am at a loss. If anyone knows where I can find a good book on
> this or can direct me to a website that gives comprehensive
> descriptions, I would appreciate your help in finding this info. Thanks.
>
Kurt says: There is a book published by Bollingener Press that is simply ``Mudras''. It is always interesting to try to
understand what is causing our particular kriyas - but that's really focussing on what's being purified
(impressions/samskaras) and not the purifier (shakti).
> Blyte says:
> I'm not shooting down the spontaneous mudras idea. For twenty years, I
> thought that's what they were, and I still think they're related. Then, when
> it was happening at fall equinox of '96, I held back releasing the energy
> because I was in a new group of folks and didn't want to be rude and
> interrupt. The same paralysis that informed my hands into mudras, moved up
> my arms and into my chest and stomach. At that point I couldn't breathe, was
> shaking uncontrollably, and gave up being polite. I ran the energy into the
> patient the group was focusing on, and then into the next ten people I could
> get my hands on - bless 'em, they all accepted it. By then, I could breathe
> normally.
> Afew months later, at a Body Electric workshop, when I felt the energy
> rising and my hands curling into mudras, I asked about it. The instructor
> said. "Oh. That's called tetany. It's caused by blockages. Move the energy
> around, shake your hands, run it elsewhere in your body, and you can hold a
> higher charge."
> I
Kurt says: I'm not sure if I'm correctly interpreting Blyth's message but - to me mudras can be spontaneous artistic
expressions as well as releases due to blockages. Many people experience full hatha yoga asanas etc. during meditation. They
may or may not be aesthetic, but they are the result of purifying blocks.
Kind Regards, Kurt
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:06:32 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, oriATnospameskimo.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Urdhvaretas summary
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Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
> > Ori asks: Hello List Members,
> > At the risk of stirring up this conversation again--
> > I would like to request a Summary or Compilation of the ideas
> > discussed regarding Urdhava-retas (in any of its unique spellings).
> >
>
> I believe that the spelling is urdhvaretas (uurdhvaretas)
>
> > I'm certain there were many others, like myself, who were simply
> > unable to keep up with the ongoing dialogue, but who might be
> > interested in a summary of what was discussed-- INCLUDING a definition.
> >
>
> Kurt says:
> As for a definition:
> Urdhva means upward or above
> Retas means the subtle male or white essence. Some have made retas to be
> equivalent to semen, but Swami Shivom Tirth, for example, would not agree
> with this. Retas is more subtle than semen. Also, women have retas but do
> not have semen. Retas is discussed at in some detail in my kundalini-yogas
> FAQ located at the Kundalini Gateway
> http://www.execpc.com/~libra/kund/kundgate.html among other places.
> Urdhvaretas is a state in which the *retas* is constantly moving upward. In
> other words the subtle white sexual energy (it's easier to say retas isn't
> it?) moves continually upward and does not drop out. Urdhvaretas is not
> simply a state of celibacy, as I believe anandajyoti noted as well, it is a
> state in which the movement of retas is *spontaneously* upward.Gloria Greco had a beautiful experiental description of the
> experience of retas at the crown: ``Urdhvaretas is the upward movement of sexual energy that manifests
> >when kundalini has entered into the stage of union between Shiva and
> >Shakti. It is drawing up the seminal fluids which creates a silver flow
> >of energy into the blood stream releasing ojas which is a highly charged
> >energy which produces Enlightenment, or God Consciousness. It generally
> >then is even seen in the aura as a glow of energy about the head. The
> >person experiencing this becomes aware of a silver stream and light in
> >the head that can also manifest as Gold which even permeates the sight
> >even physical sight and also inside of the head. ''
>
> Kurt says: I wouldn't quite agree with equating retas with seminal fluids but I think the presentation is wonderful just the
> same.
Gloria here:
I am glad we are talking about this again because this is something I
have experienced a lot of and even had a very powerful tandra experience
which is that place between dream and vision that is so very
undescrible. Anyway, this was quite a few years ago now, I had been
called to this meeting of masters which seemed to be in the Himalayas,
one of the men I have worked with for many years was at the base of the
mountain, in fact he is on the heart list, Larry Newman.
He said they are inside the mountain waiting for you. I said yes I
know. The next thing I have penetrated the mountain and have gone very
high up and into a long tunnel inside. There is a eastern male standing
outside of a cavern he is telling me that no one passes this point. I
say that is ok I've been called. I enter into this area where there is
balloons ascending like it is a screen, I move through it to the 5 male
figures in long brown robes, they all had beards. One being comes
forward we begin to speak and a vacumn sucks me out into the next room,
I can still hear him talking but now he is speaking through a oriental
man laying on a cot. His third eye is visible it moves from between his
eyes to his mouth, I hear the being say to me. Bring me the spilt milk.
And that takes me back into my body.
This experience stays with me as though it happened yesterday. That is
the nature of the tandra experience I am told.
The spilt milk is this fluid called urdhva retas and for many years
while experiencing this movement from the 2nd chakra up, I had the
illuminated awareness and the total detachment from the body as though I
watched it become transparent but I never connected the milk to that
experience.
Now I understand it, that is Shiva asking for the milk from Shati and
this center with such power and force is the Sahasrara. In order to get
into it I had to go through the third eye through the tunnel into the
brain, and the four other beings with Shiva were different aspects of
himself that were going down in the elevator to other stations or
centers in the body.
Another aspect of this tandra was that there were few women who passed
through this curtain, I was assigned to change this. And, your right
this is not something I've heard spoken of in regard to the process and
so it does need to be brought to awareness. Gene brought this discussion
up which really helped me understand this experience much more then I
had before.
>
> > Ori: I think this might be a useful document to have in the archives.
> >
> > I realize there may have been differences of opinion and understanding,
> > but this too is valuable. I would be willing to compile any summaries
> > received.
>
> Kurt says:
> There were a bunch of controversies entitled urdhvaretas, but these were mainly about Gopi Krishna. There were two real
> controversies about urdhvaretas:
>
> Controversy 1) Who is really experiencing it. Gene asks how many of the thousands of kundalini initiates are really
> experiencing urdhvaretas. Having a few signs of kundalini awakening is one thing. Having the sign of urdhvaretas is another.
> The there was a controversy about this:
> Controversy 1') What's the big deal about urdhvaretas? OK so urdhvaretas is a stage, but there are many other stages beyond
> that. Being urdhvaretas does not imply enlightenment.
GG
I do believe it enhances the union, since it seems to carry that
frequency to the whole body and not just to the head as one experiences
with the Sahasrara. When shakti moves up from the base to the crown
after it has descended and cleared and balanced all of the centers then
it brings the frequency of illumination from the head to the rest of the
body. By the way, this is also what causes you to lose consciousness
because it does tend to take you out of your body, at least that is my
experience. Harsha and Indra, can you explain this more clearly?
>
> Controversy 2) How can women experience urdhvaretas?
>
> This is due to the confusion about *retas* == semen. As I mention above:
> Some have made retas to be equivalent to semen, but Swami Shivom Tirth, for example, would not agree with this. Retas is more
> subtle than semen. Also, women have retas but do not have semen. In yogic anatomy retas starts at the crown and *descends* to
> create the seminal fluid.
GG
I don't know that it is either of those, it was called milk.
>
> Other references on the topic:
> Devatma Shakti by Swami Vishnu Tirth
> The Practice of Brahmacarya by Swami Sivananda
>
> One last comment:
> The experienceof retas at the crown is wonderful but is just half the story. Rajas is the other half. The goal is to unite
> them. For more details: http://www.execpc.com/~libra/kund/kundalini-yoga.html
>
> I do hope this helps
> Kurt
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:36:43
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: shaktipat, obligations, connections
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At 08:29 13/01/98 -0800, Blythe wrote:
>
>>At 06:35 PM 1/12/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Kurt replies:
>>>There are a wide variety of phenomenon that are lumped under the name of
>shaktipat. Some people >refer to an individual (the initiator) merely
>conveying a little energy or prana to the recipient >(the initiate) as
>shaktipat. At the other extreme some, such as Swami Rama and Pandit
>Tiruganit (sp?) >won't accept anything less than the
>>>imparting of samadhi.
That concurs with my experience..
It seems to evolve as we do, once the contagious effect shows up. We learn
to carry a higher and clearer vibration, as the energy body and physical
are cleared.
It may be too, tho, that not understanding the effect, I was interpreting
it differently.
I never know what the energy will do, when I share it.. K. is
intelligent,and I trust that intelligence. I don't think of what happens
with the energy as being my decision. I send it out, with love and the
faith that It knows what to do best and will do it, in concert with the
higher self of the reciever.
Free will: what happens, is up to the soul choices of the recipient.
I looove it whan someone gets back to me to tell me what did happen.. it
is always surprising and unique. The tales always carry back much wisdom
for me.. I a not aware when folks visit the site, tho.. I don't need to be,
it's not set up like that.
>>>So I think there are two parts to your question: 1) What is your
>responsibility to the individual >that imparts shaktipat to you. <...>
>>>If you wonder - ask your initiator.
You've asked.. speaking for myself, the answer, is none, that I can
think of...
I don't own Shakti, She owns me. Creative energy comes from Her.
Free Will Is.. and folks do as they please, always.. so why have
unneccesary expectations lying around?
"We teach best, what we most need to learn." What goes out, comes back ..
I assist folks realizing unconditional love and limitless wisdom within, I
grow too, and get to live in a world of unconditionally loving wise folks!
Whee!
I do the work, and let Goddess take care of the accounting.
>>
>>Blythe:
>>I did.<..> What I do is simply give a big push, flying is up to you."
Precisely so! I present an offer:Want a push?
K. is intelligent energy.. it knows what you need, better than I could
comprehend. Where you fly, and how far, is up to you.. K. is
self-protective: I trust it will provide a parchute, if you need one. My
highest intention, is that someone will not be drawn to the site, except by
the will of their own Higher Self. Free Will Is.
>>>The tougher question is: 2) What connection have you created between
>yourself and your initiator? I >haven't quite figured out this
>cyber-initation via web site stuff so I can't comment on that.
At the beginning of the grounding page, and in the index before it,
there is a warning?? ...A strong suggestion to wait to read the excercise,
until you have time to do the meditation at the same time.
Choosing to read the page, is consenting to the connection.. .. as
someone who skimmed it first and meditated later discovered..
Shaktipat by Word... and... um.. ah..
There is much more to it than that.. but I have scrapped about 14k so
far, trying.. and I cannot seem to describe it. My forehead is starting to
feel like concrete, from today's attempt.
Ow. Ok Goddess I'll give it up.. ow. Go back to playing with hot wax for
a while..
*****************
Whew! Well, At least now I understand Why not. It's not about protecting
the structure from negative influence, it's a free will issue.
By my attempt to describe it, I am attempting to put limiting frames on
what the individual experience of it will be.. and one does not do that
with K.
Sorry.. no can do.
It seems okay to explain it's history.. The seed of the idea came from
the list: the shaktizap online effect was much discussed, with speculations
about the effect of putting K-inspired art on the page, partly inspired by
the effect of Grandma Devi's pic on the web, among others.
The grounding excercise itself, I have been doing variations of, since I
dunno when.. originally it was much more complex, with less focus on the
heart, and more on physical relaxation via imaging and creating an inner
mental garden or temple to meet with spirit guides and angels.. or to speak
to the unconscious directly.
Periodically I would find someone in front of me (in a social
situation.. even as a hairstylist .. they were captive in my chair..
surrender to the will of your hairstylist!! She Knows, fer sure.. LOL! )
... despairing of their lot in life, and I would get the impulse to offer
to teach them to use imagination to positively affect their state. I would
offer to lead them thru a visualization...
Some folks took the ball and ran with it.. and I would hear from them
with their questions, periodically... or their achievements and
discoveries. Spirit told me what they needed to hear, or for me to listen..
often it was new info for me, too! I love really good questions!
I did not know to connect the changes they went thru with K.A. or even to
myself, really.. some did nothing with the information, forgot it immediately.
The one who used it sure seemed to give their lives a good shaking out,
in the years or months following, tho. Eventually they made the leap of
faith in trusting the guidance, and didn't need so much feedback/attention
from me, anymore.
Others would come..
The grounding has been refined and reformed over the years, out of
borrowed bits of wisdom as diverse as NLP and Huna mysticism. Mostly, by
subtle training coming from the heart voice of the people I taught it to,
by the way it answered the questions they put to it.
I first wrote it up as a K-list post, refined the text occasionally
before I resent. Converting an email to a HTML doc. usually takes a few
hours, but this one took months of tinkering and listening to spirit,
before it "Got approved." Gathering energy I suppose...
I dunno how to describe it better.. Spirit wrote the page.. Goddess
provides the K. fire. I am the "Ground crew". Info on a need to know" basis..
>Ordinarily,
>when the initiation is done personally whether you have simply received some
>``energy'' >from an initiator or whether they have
>>>fully altered your subtle body, I believe you have created a strong link
>between yourself and the >initiator.
(Speaking for the site) It's more of a connection on a "universal" level:
it is not connected to my day to day being. Visitors to the website do not
affect my moods, nor is it connected to how grounded I feel in the moment.
(Goddess reminds me She may choose execptions to any rules I suggest..
but this is how it has been so far, in accordance with my intentions. Most
interesting.. I cannot say what it is, I cannot define what it isn't. It's
Kundalini. Shaktizap online. Go figger.)
Putting it another way, I have already connected with anyone who will
ever connect with it, because it is constructed beyond space-time.. the
website is like a doorway. (maybe.. or like an anchor?? A key... here we go
again.. I'll stop now.)
>>Blythe:
>>Ummhmmm.So I need to be sure that this is a person with whom I will want
>such a linkage, as it will be a strong one.
Kurt:
>>>We create these energetic links all the time unconsciously. Ever wonder
>why ``breaking up" is hard to >do!''.
>>Blythe: Ok. Hence, speaking as a magick wielder, those 'Unbinding' rituals
>done to break links formed between people or between a person and a
>manuscript sent out to the publisers, etc. Or, speaking as an occasional
>energy manipulator being trained by the local librarian, the need to
>disconnect inappropriate cords plugged into people.
Huna mysticism describes aka cords very elegantly, and I believe they are
also the "superstrings" physicists suggest are holding the universe
together. Everything is connected to every other thing. Relationship,
attraction.. gravity... Love.
I do a ritual occasionally to cut any aka cords that are not in my
highest good. Send out a last blast of love and K.fire, to manifest what
ever they need. Usually I do not ask who is cut. I trust my higher self
judgement. I do it when I find I am unusually tired. Not very often.
Lately, when I go to ask that something "be in the highest good", Goddess
laughs at me. Gently. She reminds me that She is All that Is, and so how
would anything not be? There is only fear to fear, and it comes from me. I
ask that it be so, anyways, as I am not yet free of creative fears, ... and
the response is another gentle laugh. Like, I think I need to ask, for Her
to be loving?
I give up my fears to her, and get a K-ride out of duality, to where
things begin..
To be practical, tho.. gain more confidence, by putting protections on
autopilot. There are all kinds of ways to do this, depending on your
reality-tunnel. Your being is a biiig computer.. set up the programs, ask
your angels to keep an eye out for them, give them their own grounding
cord, and leave them running. Check on them if they seem to be acting up,
to see how your needs have changed. Make your prayers, and trust that
Goddess has it handled. The more you trust, the better it works. Limitless
manifestation, unconditional love.
Decide how powerful you are, and how safe, and say I AM. Then when stuff
comes, you know it must be in your highest perfection, and be immediately
pleased at the gift of silver linings.. even if you do not actually
discover them, for a while.. you know they are there for you.
>>
>>
>>>I wrote a number of different things on shaktipat in my siddha-mahayoga
>faq that you can find at the kundalini gateway <..>
>>>Good luck,
>>>KUrt
>>
>>Thanks, Kurt. I'll check it out. Oops. How do I find it?
>>Blessings,
>>Blythe
>
Website address in my sig.. thanks for asking these questions.. discovering
their mystery has been an interesting ride..
>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:04:03 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: signs of chakra?
Message-ID: <34BE95E3.6FA3ATnospamblarg.net>
> Gloria here:
> Did you know that judgement greatly effects the throat chakra, in fact,
> when judgement is allowed to run out of control the throat chakra
> actually deforms and it begins to effect other centers as well.
EEEEeeeee Gads Gloria,
I have had a nagging tickle in my throat for about 2 weeks! No sickness,
just this cough, cough, cough! I wonder...........
now then, a question, IF this is a throat chakra tickling me what might
I do to appease it?
..freda..
BE-IS-AM ...manifesting again...
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:48:12
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Gender and Kundalini (was Scientific Wonders)
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Well, navel-gazing can lead to self- absorption.
Start looking for the you in them, and the them in you, and they get
interesting again. Aloof gets lonely, eh?
Blessings, Mystress.
At 17:53 15/01/98 GMT, Jack wrote:
>As long as I am setting myself up for a flame, I would like to be
>brutally honest and say that I find most other people dead boring.
>
>"It's not that I hate people, I just don't like it when they're
>around."
>
>Mickey Rourke
>Barfly
>
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at
different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
-- Clive James
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:44:57 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Gender and Kundalini (was Scientific Wonders)
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>As long as I am setting myself up for a flame, I would like to be
>brutally honest and say that I find most other people dead boring.
>
>"It's not that I hate people, I just don't like it when they're
>around."
>
>Mickey Rourke
>Barfly
That pretty much sums it up ;-P.
still here,
amckeon
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:01:17 -0500
From: John Lounsberry <berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
CC: gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com, lodperssATnospamintercomm.com
Subject: Natures Test
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E-MAIL<berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net>FROM JOHN LOUNSBERRY
Hi: Interesting how we are tested. Jan 15 1998.
This part of Canada was hit with a brutal Ice storm for 4 days.
We have been out of electrical power and proper heat for almost
a week. Using candles, and a kerosene heater for heat, light and
cooking, (back to the basics). Its ok for the first few days but as
it goes on it becomes an ordeal.
A quick drive north of us it looks like a large bomb went off
we had about 3 inches of ice from freezing rain over 4 days, the
tops of trees are gone older trees and buildings completely
collapsed. Power and phone lines poles snapped down, over 3000
in Eastern Ontario and Quebec.
The weather warmed a little and large and small pieces of
ice came off building, trees and power lines like cannon shells.
The military have come in and there is still a state of
emergency, they go house to house checking on people watching
for looters and generally adding and clearing Debra.
We are learning to be resourceful. Electric light with a car
battery and no TV, Computers but a small battery radio.
This has been a good test of ones self values and spirit.
Everyone needs a good natural disaster once in a while. We where
fortunate no injuries or property loss, others not so fortunate.
John in Canada (please reply back)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:20:19 EST
From: RndmOne <RndmOneATnospamaol.com>
To: fredaATnospamblarg.net, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: signs of chakra?
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Hi Freda,
Normally, I am a "lurker" of the K-list and pass through most of the emails
without much thought. However, your message about your recent attitudes and
feelings has prompted me to speak up as well. It seems that lately alot of
people have been dealing with this 'test' of patience, focus and
determination. My attitudes have been swinging so far out of whack, that I
too have had an unusually hard time keeping it together as well. What
prompted me to respond, was Gloria's response to your message about the
possibility of deformation in that particular chakra. My throat (for the last
few weeks) has been driving me nuts!! It's not sore & I'm not sick either.
It just feels tight and makes me want to try and cough to get rid of something
that is stuck there (sorry for being so graphic!). Is it possible that my
throat chakra is 'deformed'? And what are the possible methods to get past
this? It sometimes seems that when you are looking too hard for the answer,
the harder it is to move on. It's raining here now, so maybe I will see that
sign of love soon!!
Love and Rainbows to all,
Random One
[ Staci =) ]
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:47:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Gender and Kundalini (was Scientific Wonders)
Message-Id: <199801160147.RAA23943ATnospampnn.com>
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Mystress wrote:
> Well, navel-gazing can lead to self- absorption.
> Start looking for the you in them, and the them in you, and they get
>interesting again. Aloof gets lonely, eh?
> Blessings, Mystress.
>
>At 17:53 15/01/98 GMT, Jack wrote:
>>As long as I am setting myself up for a flame, I would like to be
>>brutally honest and say that I find most other people dead boring.
>>
Witches and Silent Meeting-type Quakers are both taught to look for/ speak
to that of God/Goddess in everyone. It's always been interesting. Now that I
see on so many other levels, it's breathtakingly beautiful/tragic/glorious.
Funny sometimes. Frustrating others. Hardly ever boring....as long as I can
spend most of my time out here with cows, hawks, tractors, clay etc. They
have simpler stories.
Blythe
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:54:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: cledaATnospamdnc.net
Subject: unenlightened humor *-)
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>From the farm circuit:
>
>>
>> This was posted to Sheep-L ...... :-)
>>
>> A gynecologist who had lost interest in his medical practice decided to
>> change careers and enrolled in auto mechanic school. He performed well in
>> the course but was still shocked when he got an off-the-chart 200 on his
>> final exam. He asked the instructor to explain the grade. "I gave you 50
>> points for taking the engine apart correctly," the teacher said, "50 points
>> for putting it back together correctly-and an extra 100 points for doing it
>> all through the muffler."
>>
>>
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