1998/01/15 00:41
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #43
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 43
Today's Topics:
Re: Gradual awakening [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: WAS Energies/Detachm [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Biomagnetics > KA > Radiant Bein [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: earth energy awareness?? [ Amy Johnson <acjoATnospamholly.ColoState.E ]
Re: beyond culture (was plain Englis [ M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> ]
Urdhava-retas--Request for summary [ ori <oriATnospameskimo.com> ]
Re: beyond culture (was plain Englis [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Re: understanding [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Re: KA and Half-Baked Theology ("Eve [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: Clarification on Some Fundamenta [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:13:19 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
CC: AfperryATnospamaol.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Gradual awakening
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Harsha1MTM wrote:
>
> Afperry wrote:
>
> Gloria here:
> I have left the whole conversation of Alans on so that I could send it
> on to the heart list, so if you have already read this just scan it down
> to what I have written if you are interested...
> >
> > Dear List,
> >
> > May I proffer a topic for discussion. Much attention has been focused on the
> > sudden awakening of kundalini and its dramatic effects, but my experience
> with
> > meditators has been that the kundalini more usually awakens gradually and
> > gently over an extended period of time. snip...
>
> Harsha writes: I think both Alan and Gloria offer wisdom and insight.
> Although there are classical symptoms of Kundalini awakening, at the same time
> this is an individual and a unique process. It might be useful if someone
> wants to follow up on this discussion to read my paper (under the name
> Harshacharya) which is at the Kundalini Gateway Website and Freda's homepage.
> In that paper, I have attempted to explain using pretty much plain english the
> type of spiritual practices which may lead to a dramatic awakening versus
> those which may lead to a gradual and later awakening. For now, I would only
> point out that the intensity and type of spiritual practice, regulation of
> sexual conduct, and to some extent the age of the person are correlated to the
> type of awakening experienced. The paper reflects my experience with the
> Kundalini Shakti going back 23 years. My own awakening was dramatic and I had
> to struggle for some years due to my particular situation. However, a normal
> awakening, even if it is sudden and dramatic is not a cause for alarm,
> particularly if guidance is available. I have come to the conclusion that
> enjoying purity of mind is more important and sets the foundation for long
> term success. Gradual and gentle practice is always best. One should slowly
> build up the intensity if one is so inclined. God bless you all with success
> and Self-Realization.
>
> Harsha
Harsha, how about sending me the attachment so that I can include it in
my homesite also, that may make it easier for the heart list to get into
your writings. Your writing is very valuable and I think it is time for
you to put together your site, I know you are very busy, but it isn't
that hard really. In fact, if it is already in html maybe the experts,
Tim and Larry can figure it out. Hey guys, is this possible?? Without to
much hard stuff. GG
>
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:16:27 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
CC: anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com, TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com, samyanaATnospamhotmail.com,
Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: WAS Energies/Detachment IS??
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Harsha1MTM wrote:
>
> Thank you for sharing that beautiful story about your father with us
> Anandajyoti. It was very moving and inspiring. You are something special!
>
> Harsha
I absolutely agree, I am so happy to have both of you on the list, your
consciousness brings light to everyone. Even though we aren't all that
conscous of the eastern terms, we do get the meaning as the conversation
moves. And, it is just a matter for some of the folks on the list to get
the confidence to come out into the stream. But, I do feel that God has
worked bringing everyone together. GG
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:28:22 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Ed Arrons <eeaATnospamaug.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Biomagnetics > KA > Radiant Being
Message-ID: <34BBB243.3DCBATnospamintercomm.com>
Ed Arrons wrote:
>
> Aside from everyday experiences, I have had some unusual ones which are
> explained by this biomagnetic field, and which were verified by subjective
> observation. Of course, we all have had such experiences and are capable
> of making such observations.
Ed, Hi, Gloria here, the body is also very much effected by magnetics, I
have used magnets now for a couple of years and it has really changed
the body in relationship to fighting off infections and colds. All I do
is when I feel a sinus thing coming on is sleep with the magnets on my
face at night and in the morning it is cleared up. Our magnetic field
and that of the earth and others all interplay for sure.
I saw the earth grid and the geometric forms of the energy body and it
all works together. Even in a dream I was telling Tim Seewald that when
he used the magnets while sleeping he would be able to remember his
dreams better. Tim actually came to my house in this dream from New
Jersey, I was showing him the magnets in my bed. Tim and I have really
connected through dream work by the way, you know him from the k list as
well as he helped me start the heart list.
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:19:42 -0700 (MST)
From: Amy Johnson <acjoATnospamholly.ColoState.EDU>
To: danelle t <danelletATnospamhotmail.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: earth energy awareness??
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95.980114201606.167520A-100000ATnospamholly.ColoState.EDU>
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Sorry I'm a little late reading my mail. I just had to share that as a
remedy to my feeling a lot of pent up energy on Saturday, my boyfriend
taught me how to hit his speed bag. He was adamant that I use correct
form and I ended up getting somewhat frustrated because I just wanted to
'let loose' and punch it every which way. Seems to be more than a
coincidence. Thanks for writing -- Amy
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Have you hugged a tree today?
Yours truly, Amy Jo
On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, danelle t wrote:
> I was just wondering if anyone felt on edge or angry for no apparent
> reason on Saturday. I found myself and two others who are going through
> their awakening process feeling such unexplained rage almost. It passed
> through and was gone by Sunday morning, but I called a dear freind of
> mine Sat night to ask her about it. She is a very gifted and spiritual
> person, and she told me the prana was moving rather chaotically and that
> there was most likely going to be a major disaster somewhere. And that
> I was picking up on this energy. I was shocked to wake up Sunday and
> read about the terrible earthquake in China. I am just wondering if
> there are any others out there that experience these major eath shifting
> energies on such a personal level? Thanks for the responses in advance.
> I could never express the amount of help and comfort this list has and
> continues to bring me through this wonderful and sometimes trying
> awakening process! THANKYOU ALL!!!
>
> Blessed Be-
> danelle
> always look within.....thru the clouds of emotion the answers you search
> for can be found.
>
>
> ______________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:31:55 -0800 (PST)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: lconjarATnospamerols.com
Cc: "Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D." <hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: beyond culture (was plain English...)
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At 08:19 PM 1/14/98 -0500, Louis Conjar wrote:
>Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
>>
>> I know I am not the only one who, during a spontaneous awakening, found
>> her hands assuming odd positions and then later discovered these were
>> called mudras.
>>snip ...
>
>Speaking of mudras, since my Kundalini activity never stops, I have
>tried to find a book which gives a comprehensive description of mudras
I now look at all those Reanaissance paintings of saints with crown chakras
flaming (aka halos I'd say) and those odd finger positions on the statues in
the churches of my youth a bit differently - since I have caught myself
feeling or doing the same...anyone else? M
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:39:36 -0800
From: ori <oriATnospameskimo.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Urdhava-retas--Request for summary
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Hello List Members,
At the risk of stirring up this conversation again--
I would like to request a Summary or Compilation of the ideas
discussed regarding Urdhava-retas (in any of its unique spellings).
I'm certain there were many others, like myself, who were simply
unable to keep up with the ongoing dialogue, but who might be
interested in a summary of what was discussed-- INCLUDING a definition.
I think this might be a useful document to have in the archives.
I realize there may have been differences of opinion and understanding,
but this too is valuable. I would be willing to compile any summaries
received.
Thanks for your help,
ori
ori oriATnospameskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~ori/ori.html
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:04:40 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: lconjarATnospamerols.com
CC: "Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D." <hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: beyond culture (was plain English...)
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Louis,
I found this a few days ago and linked it to my symbols page.
Hand Mudras - Symbols of Deeper Meaning
The symbolic gestures of the hands of Buddha images, called Mudras,
are picture tools of identification of deeper meaning: at:
http://impulse.hawkesbury.uws.edu.au/BuddhaNet/mudras.htm
..freda..
BE-IS-AM ...manifesting again...
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:26:59 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: understanding
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On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Harsha1MTM wrote:
> Peswani wrote:
> Harsha... Do you think ,I did not feel your pain. I do.
>
> Harsha writes: Thank you; I guess. But that remark about Moksha being no Joy
> ride was meant in jest. My point was that the Spiritual Path, no what what
> terminology is used to describe the end goal (Nirvana or Moksha) is difficult
> for everyone. I was trying to console you. But I certainly appreciate your
> consoling me right back! >
> Peswani wrote: Your reaction to my declaring that I am Shahanshah, and to
> Vijay that he is enlightened without probing them deeply.
Shahanshah...Three years back I felt I was enlightened, but later
I lost it whatever it was after one and half months. I have now used the
word shahanshah for something different than enlightment, and explained
my meaning.>
> Harsha writes: was prompted by a combination of my sense of humor and the
> language used by both of you. Both messages (Peswani and Vijay) were
> transparently pompous and presumptuous, which is why people found my response
> to be quite funny (I got a number of personal e-mails on this).
>
>
Harsha, it shows your frustation and hence such a reaction against
the word enlightment. Whatever you have experienced which you have named
sat chit annand, is your first personal experience(you have no reference
frame to compare). I have given three different experiences that I have
gone thro and I have given three different names (Since I also had no
reference frame).First ..enlightment..which I lost after 45 days
Second...Satchit annand ...glimpse of a few minutes in
meditation.It was a feeling of total rest. This experience according to
me cannot be but brief if we are alive and living in human body.
Third....Shahanshah...which I have tried to explain below.
Moksh<-----------------------Harsha------------------------>Nirvana
It is very important to understand the difference between Moksh
and Nirvan.
If one is confused he will move forward and backward. Moving
forward means strengthening the ego. Moving backward is surrendering the
ego.
Till one is not clear, one should remain in the truth of the
moment, do service to mankind, and love the mankind. By doing this he
moves towads nirvan collecting pure ego, without suffering . Living this
simple life requires only effort.
Ego in the sense religion has taken is always condemned. But that
is not the truth of the moment for all humanity. Ego is growth till you
are adult enough to decide whether to opt for Moksh or Nirvan.
Ego is surrendered to a higher soul who can grant you Moksh.And
the higher soul will then take this ego along the path of nirvan.
Every moment of life one collects ego thro senses and mind.
Purified ego is food for omniscient , omnipotent and omnipresent
God and it can neither be destroyed nor wasted.
this Universe is being guided by extremely intelligent and
creative forces like of which one cannot even fathom. Every minor moment
is for His purpose, nothing but nothing wrong can happen.
If one moves forward towards nirvan God gives you
kingship(leadership), presitage, and powers to further guide the mankind .
But this path requires effort,creativity , wisdom and patience and pain of
your past karmas.
If one moves backward one gets bliss and ecastacy as rewards,
because he has walked on path of nirvan till then with effort and some
pain of ignorance and now he is sacrificing the ego(collected Shakti) by
surrendering ,and his or her guru takes the past
karmas to move towards Nirvan.
A WOULD BE BODHISATTVA HAS TO MASTER THE ART OF PURIFICATIONS OF PAST
KARMAS OF HIS LIFE AND KARMAS COLECTION THRO COMPASSION FOR OTHER
SENTIENTS. COMPASSION IS AN ACTUAL PROCESS AND NOT MERE WORDS. ONLY WHEN
HE HAS MASTERED BOTH COMPASSION AND PURIFICATION CAN HE BE SHAHANSHAH OR
THE ONE WHO KNOWS HIS PATH AND DESTINATION AND IS IN CONTROL OF THE
SITUATUION.
There ae two ways of practicing compassion. First method is to advertise
Guruhood, collect disciples by impression and marketting,creating devotion
in disciples. This way one collects only pure ego energy of devotion for
which he does not suffer. But if he falls in the trap of either falling in
lov e with the disciple or impressing him and other disciples or even in
his moment of weakness, he may collect a very dangerous and negative ego.
This may cause him untold suffering in health. Ramana maharishi and
Ramakrishna suffered health setbacks due to
compassion.
Second method is hiding away and letting fathomless higher intelligent
energy of Universe to decide. No mistakes are possible in this case.
Advantages are that he will enjoy good health and samta till death and
probably cover up more path in same time.
SHAHANSHAH
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:50:36 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
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Subject: Re: KA and Half-Baked Theology ("Everything is God")
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Gloria Greco wrote: I think you are running off on what I meant by that Don. God is
is everything, .....<snipped>
> DonBBenson wrote:
> > Friends,
> > The Bible teaches and the Church agrees that God is BOTH immanent AND
> > transcendent. Pantheism acknowledges the immanence of God - the awesome
> > light, love, power and intelligence that pervades and sustains all things -
> > but fails to acknowledge the transcendence of God - YHWH, the great I AM, who
> is the Source (Creator, Sustainer, Redeemer, and Judge) of all things. So I view
> pantheism as half-baked theology. <Snipped>
> > To say <Everything is God.> is theologically comparable to saying
> > <Everyone is my husband or wife.> The Bible condemns this as unfaithful
> > theology, false doctrine, and spiritual adultery.
> > <snipped>
> > >
> >Anandajyoti wrote earlier:
> > > I find that Webster dictionary changes its tune every three or four
> > > years, with definitions or meanings.
> > > In the copy of Websters New Illustrated dictionary 1994 printing.Sorry
> > > Don, Websters have changed their view , on the meanings definitions you
> ascribe to. That was probably the old view. No drop in the river passes
> > > a point in space twice. That's experience.
> > >
> > > I copy : Pantheism: n 1. The form of monotheism that identifies maind
> > > and matter, the finite and the infinite, making them manifestation of
> > > one Universal or absolute being; the doctrine that holds that the
> > > self-existent and self- developing Universe, conceived as a whole is
> > > God.
> > > So, in this version of Webster's terminology, , I think, what gloria
> > > said,
> > > "Everything is God" , So it is.
> >
> Anandajyoti writes:
>
> --Friends & Foes Alike:
When I said , everything is God, many took it literally , in the physical plane of
the Universe. I was not aware, that some have poverty of thought, and stick to
dogmas and dictates of their individual religious affiliation. Well, that is their
choice, I have nothing against them. It's their belief and their faith, It's
entirely upto them.I was rather intrigued to find that not one could say , "Yes ,
God is everything " meaning the Essence. of the Universe, from which all and
everything has manifested.
I think also in the Bible somewhere, probably in the Genesis, it mentions "that the
Lord created Man in his likeness, in His own image." Did the Bible ascribe the
meaning of it in the physical sense, or the in the spiritual, as the Essence?
So I would agree with Don, that when they take the meaning of "EVERYTHING IS GOD"
to be in the physical plane, sure it's blasphemy,
sure its wrong , sure it's spiritual adultery and false doctrine. Who would be so
insane to disagree on this point.
On the other hand,
It is quite apparent , that the spiritual meanings of the Bible are so twisted
around by many. Is it apathy not to be able to recognize the TRUTH?
I was under the impression that all people are innately SPIRIT , only in a physical
body. May be, I am wrong!
We would also hear God is Omnipresent. What does this mean? The question comes to
mind, if God is everything and everywhere, then who am I, or you , you and you?
Who am I in relation to this God?
I would prefer to think, that just as we are made of individual cells, when all
combined, to give us this shape or size of our bodies. So also , each and every
soul, nay every bit of the UNIVERSE , is a cell of the Cosmic Body, which we may
call God or by any other name. The name is not the question.
So all individual souls , and everything in this Universe, is just like a
constituent cell of the Cosmic Entity. Whether is is transcendent or immanent, is
also not the question.
So, in that Cosmic Unity, there is our little , ego centric individuality.
Even this word , individuality may cause some challenge to understand, I guess!
So, let us consider these two words instead of the one. How about,
indivisible and duality take the "sible" out of the indivisible. There you go , we
have got our individuality, back , safe and sound.
Again, from one perspective, it is indivisible and one, and from another perspective
there is duality.
Are any of these wrong? I don't think so. It's our conditioning again, playing
games with us.
When we say my body is covered with skin, but is the skin also not a part of my
body? Of course , it is.....
So we are all caught up in this web of words and figures of speech. So even theology
which is the creation man, may also need to consider other perspectives , nothing is
permanent in this physical world, except that ESSENCE- the Spirit of GOD . In that
light "EVERYTHING IS GOD"
Let the Almighty bless us all to feel, see, understand, the TRUTH of HIS/HER/IT'S
majesty, and glory.
Anandajyoti.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
>
>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:37:46 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Clarification on Some Fundamentals Invited
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anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com> wrote:
>>
>>What are feelings? As I understand it , it is the response created by
>>our heart., mind, emotions, and phsyical objects on our minds.This can
>>happen in two ways, I believe.
>>One, sensations from the outside, through the five sensory organs, and
>>
>>Two, also through the ego, emotions, and the spirit.
>>Can all type of feelings touch the heart?
>>Or do all feelings generate or emerge from our ego?...
The English word "feeling(s)" is sometimes confusing to talk about, because
people use it to mean more than one thing:
1. Feeling = the (physical) sense of touch.
2. Feelings = emotions. In the model I use, these come from the second
plane, the second of the three personality planes of physical (including
etheric or subtle), emotional, and mental (some people use "mental" to
include much more).
"I felt such fear." "I had such feelings of guilt."
3. Feelings = intuitions. From the fourth plane, just above the mental.
"I suddenly felt it would turn out all right." "I feel you will find it
in a bedroom drawer."
4. Feelings = "soul qualities." From planes above personality levels. NOT
the same as emotions.
i.e., love, joy, peace.
5. Feelings = anything experienced on higher planes or the etheric that we
don't have another word for.
"I saw it, but it wasn't like seeing with the eyes. Somehow I felt it."
>>How would one diffrentiate its source as to where the feelings are
>>emerging from?
You find different ways. If you feel your centers in action, you may feel
a fulness or tightness or even pain in the solar plexus when you get
emotional. Raising your energy to another center may get you out of being
emotional.
I have one trick that may work for other people. Years ago I was in a
group therapy session, talking and being very emotional. The therapist
pointed out that my voice was very high and asked if I could speak in a
lower voice. I said, "Sure, I can drop it an octave." So he said, "Please
do it." I did, and everyone raved about my deep voice. One woman said,
"You're like a different person when you speak that way." And the
therapist pointed out that I was no longer emotional. He said he thought I
could keep from being so emotional by speaking in the low voice. (I said I
didn't want to because it was too sexy, and everybody reassured me that
there was nothing wrong with that.)
As I practiced the low voice, I discovered that it worked just like a light
switch. If I was emotional and didn't want to be - it wasn't the right
time for it - all I had to do was drop my voice and I was using the
computer brain - I was being intellectual rather than emotional.
A lot of people seem to talk in higher voices when they're emotional, so
maybe this would work for others.
* * *
On Sept. 10 in meditation I did some work on emotions: here's the record.
>
>In meditation I became very angry. When asked why I was angry, I realized
>there was no good reason. There was just anger and it seized on any
>pretext to grow.
>
>Shakti wanted more anger. Goaded me. At one point I said I was angry
>because my wrists and ankles wouldn't move and I felt "like an animal
>you're experimenting on." Shakti said, "You ARE an animal I'm
>experimenting on." I knew it was said only to feed the anger but I
>allowed myself to get more angry. It came from the solar plexus.
>
>Shakti asked how I was feeling, said I could say anything - there would be
>no repercussions. So I talked. I was extremely angry. My fists were
>clenched - I wanted to hit something. I felt mad enough to kill. Shakti
>said really? Could you? I said I didn't think so, I'd never wanted to
>kill anyone, but that's the way I felt. It felt very masculine.
>
>Finally Shakti said, "Take a break and calm down, then come back."
>
>When I went back, Shakti asked how I felt. Anger still there, I didn't
>know how to get rid of it if I couldn't hit something or yell and scream.
>Or use Lynea's hand positions. Shakti said we would remove the anger.
>Kundalini would clear the center and then the whole body.
>
>Shakti asked if I wanted anger gone entirely and forever. I said no, some
>must be necessary, at least useful, for self-preservation.
>
>In meditation the solar plexus was thoroughly cleared out. Then it spread
>through the body and cleared all.
>
>Afterward there was no anger left. Thinking it over, I wondered why it
>was so intense, so extreme. Realized it was because it was experienced in
>isolation. Normally when I have anger, many other things are going on,
>too. It's part of the complex of things at that moment. But this was in
>isolation, pure anger.
A tough way to become objective about emotions, but there it is. I haven't
worked with other emotions - maybe that was enough to know where they come
from and how they work.
Linda <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> wrote:
>>> ....My premise is that in order
>>> to
>>> become whole, and capable of uniting with the One, it is important to
>>> develop
>>> ourselves and claim our potential in body, mind and spirit. If we are to
>>> become integrated, and achieve enlightenment, we must first achieve this
>>> balance.
>>> This means that our whole self, feeling, ego, spirit, emotions and ALL are
>>> part of the mix.
>>> Some on this list may not agree, but I believe it is crucial to have
>>feeling,
>>> a HEALTHY EGO and an integrated SELF, body and all.
Here again I think we need definitions of some words that people use in
different ways - spirit, ego, and self. For instance, you are not using
SELF in the same way as when we speak of Self-realization.
If you mean that it's better to have an integrated personality before
getting into meditation, I agree. But if you mean that one must be a
finished product, a perfected person, in order to realize the Self, I don't
agree. After Self-realization, we go right on changing and growing and
learning. After all, if you don't change and grow, you're dead.
>>> Trying to separate these out only causes us to invite ourselves to
>>> experience
>>> schizophrenia and split personalities.
If there's a split, sooner or later we have to experience it and heal it.
I used to have a pretty good split between emotions and intellect. I was
either in one or the other - if I was emotional, there was very little
intellect in evidence! And it was hard to switch from one to the other.
It took recognition of the problem and a lot of work to change the
situation. And that vocal switch was a big help!
Ann
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