1998/01/13 18:24
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #40
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 40
Today's Topics:
Re: Gradual awakening [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: feeling pain was re:understandin [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: understanding [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: WAS Energies/Detachm [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: Gradual awakening [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: WAS Energies/Detachm [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Biofeedback [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Radiant Being [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Lonely Childhood [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Biofeedback [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Confusion and Compulsion [ iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com> ]
Re: Clarification on Some Fundamenta [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Biomagnetics > KA > Radiant Being [ "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> ]
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:50:42 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Gradual awakening
Message-ID: <34BB631A.1E4DATnospamintercomm.com>
Afperry wrote:
Gloria here:
I have left the whole conversation of Alans on so that I could send it
on to the heart list, so if you have already read this just scan it down
to what I have written if you are interested...
>
> Dear List,
>
> May I proffer a topic for discussion. Much attention has been focused on the
> sudden awakening of kundalini and its dramatic effects, but my experience with
> meditators has been that the kundalini more usually awakens gradually and
> gently over an extended period of time, bringing about the same progressive
> transformation that we all understand but without the flash-bang-wallop we
> traditionally tend to associate with the process. Such meditators usually feel
> energy currents around their bodies and the build up of inner power but
> because it all takes place naturally and gradually, many will not associate
> this process with kundalini awakening unless/until there is strong spinal
> activity. IMO this gradual awakening should be considered the norm, initiating
> a period of total inner purification (gestation perhaps?) from which will come
> the eventual attainment of Divine Consciousness.
Gloria Greco:
Alan, thanks for contributing this, I do believe this needs to be said
because there are a lot of people on both lists who have been meditating
faithfully for many years and are experiencing kundalini in such a
natural flow of awakening that it seems like nothing to them. This is
absolutely normal. The people that I have worked with for many years are
all into kundalini but it is so gentle with occassions of eruptions, but
still it is gentle. This is because when you are working with someone
who has gone through the full awakening, a lot of that static charge is
being released in the movment.
Now in the group I work with her, each of them have come to know exactly
what stands between them and God, it is something different with each
one of them. And, knowing this, they each must work at letting go and
turning that aspect of life over, but the block isn't getting hit so
strong with kundalini that it is turning them upside down. Instead, they
are seeing from inside, until they get pass this, nothing in their lives
will change and it will be like running in molasses. This is how working
with a teacher is helpful. Instead of it being totally from that
kundalini burnout, it can be simultaneously happening on several levels,
no doubt it is also happening inside with kundalini but it is far less
dramatic.
>Alan:
> Furthermore, where kundalini does awaken suddenly (as in my own case) I
> strongly suspect that this is simply taking off where we left off in our
> previous lives i.e. after a period of re-capitulation and allowing for karma,
> the kundalini will awaken quickly so that we may resume our interrupted
> journey. This would explain its apparent suddenness and why people often feel
> that they have not done anything specifically to awaken it - they did all that
> last time around!
GG
True, there is no other explanation for it, mine has been with me all of
my life and I was groomed by God to be here now. There is not the
slightest doubt in me that I am here finishing up loose ends. But, I had
already been through it all. And, there are a lot of folks entering with
this mission.
Alan:
It might also explain why some yogis are not aware of
> kundalini arousal prior to Self-Realisation: they have not experienced the
> symptoms of any sudden awakening or anything within them that cannot be
> explained by the idiom of their own particular path.
>
> With blessings,
> Alan
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:01:37 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Susan Carlson <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: feeling pain was re:understanding
Message-ID: <34BB65A8.7CF1ATnospamintercomm.com>
Susan Carlson wrote:
>
> Ok. I am officially turning off my cloaking device and coming off
> delurking status.
>
HI Susan,so true we create our reality and then we live it. Gloria
>
>
>
> All around me is bliss. What i choose to feel/experience is up to me.
> A person can only reflect/feel what is unhealed within themselves.
>
> I feel/see/experience joy...it uplifts those people around me. No room
> for pain in joy, it is forgotten.
>
> I feel/see/experience misery...it causes pain and sufferring to those
> around me...joy is not even a beloved memory.
>
> What you are, what you experience is up to you...your personal choice.
>
> Anything else makes us a victim of our surroundings, rather than
> co-creators in our universe.
>
> You can create your reality...I will create mine.
>
> Blessings,
> Susan
>
> ______________________
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Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:14:53 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
CC: peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <CC:CC:CC:CC:CC:heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: understanding
Message-ID: <34BB68C3.584ATnospamintercomm.com>
Gloria writes:
It is very valueable for folks on the lists to be able to observe these
kind of conversations because it is very easy to get involved in
thoughts when experiencing the journey home. In truth the actual
awakening is painless, it is just letting go and entering into the
divine truth that exists within each of us. It is the mind and ego
fighting that truth that creates the illusion of pain and struggle.
What Harsha speaks of as the Self and Union is what the ultimate
movement is about, it is really getting inside of the movement enough so
that you are absorbed into God and literally nothing is left but this
knowing. Then everything is movement, day and night is the same, and all
is bliss. Or what is referred to as divine joy, but know this it is
quiet and peaceful. And, some of you may think then there is nothing of
you left, no emotions, no feelings, etc. Well, I will say it is
different, but it is always joyful and filled with light which makes the
head very different. But Dear Peswani, no struggle and no pain, just
joy.
Harsha1MTM wrote:
>
> Harsha writes: Thank you; I guess. But that remark about Moksha being no Joy
> ride was meant in jest. My point was that the Spiritual Path, no what what
> terminology is used to describe the end goal (Nirvana or Moksha) is difficult
> for everyone. I was trying to console you. But I certainly appreciate your
> consoling me right back!
>
> Peswani wrote: Your reaction to my declaring that I am Shahanshah, and to
> Vijay that he is enlightened without probing them deeply.
>
> Harsha writes: was prompted by a combination of my sense of humor and the
> language used by both of you. Both messages (Peswani and Vijay) were
> transparently pompous and presumptuous, which is why people found my response
> to be quite funny (I got a number of personal e-mails on this). I was only
> doing what comes natural to me. Certainly what I said does not mean that
> either You or Vijay are bad people or anything like that. I stopped being
> impressed by people claiming to be "enlightened" over 20 years ago. Many such
> people are simply spiritual novices or just very confused. Various psychic
> experiences and Samadhis, while indicate spiritual practice, do not have much
> to do with Self-Realization. Only Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi reveals the True
> Nature of the Self. The Self is always there. It is recognized clearly in
> Nirvikalpa Samadhi because the mind has merged into its source. Only the Self
> remains in a complete state of Self- Recognition. That is Sat-Chit-Ananda.
>
> Peswani writes: This confirms your present travelling on Nirvanic path of pain
> and wishing that it ends in Moksh. Some what your inner consciousness also is
> teling you that you can have Moksh thro Ramana Maharishi, and he will end
> your journey of pain into bliss.>
>
> Harsha writes: Dear Peswani, I am starting to get fond of you, but this is all
> intellectual mumbo jumbo. Self is the only Reality. It is Sat-Chit-Ananda. You
> misunderstand the teachings of Raman Maharishi and you also do not understand
> the nature of my experience or my relationship with Him.
>
> Peswani wrote: Many momentary experiences came to me on this path, like I have
> had glimpses of Sat Chit Anand and a different one of self realisation(This
> experience remained with me for more than a month). But they left more
> pain and craving because of their glimpses.
>
> Harsha writes: Again I am very sorry about your pain but that seems to be the
> norm. I have no doubt you have had many experiences. You are on the spiritual
> path and that is how it is. But you again distinguish between Self-
> Realization and Sat-Chit-Ananda. There is no distinction. They are the same.
> Self is the underlying state in all states of consciousness whether it is
> dreaming, waking, or Superconscious states (various Samadhis). It is
> Recognized in its Full Intensity only in Nirvikalpa Samadhi as the Mind (with
> all its obscurations) Merges in the Ultimate and Final Source.
>
> Finally, thank you for the kind words about my poem. That you understood
> perfectly!
>
> Best wishes
>
> Harsha
>
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
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Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:21:51 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
CC: Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com>, Gloria Lee <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>,
Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: WAS Energies/Detachment IS??
Message-ID: <34BB1603.32C93936ATnospamgeocities.com>
> >
> > Gloria Greco here again:
> > A dear friend of mine had Liver Cancer, I didn't know she had it until about three years ago now. ........
> >..... Barbara I'm going to give you
> > direct access to my energy, whenever you need help you have my
> > permission to connect up to me, what you do with this light...holy
> > spirit power is between you and God. (I don't interfere with soul decisions or manipulate for healing it is totally up to God how that plays down) This can be used for healing if.......
> >
> >Barbara lived until three months ago, ....... but that her
> > body was in pain so they had to give her morphine.
> >She lived everyday no matter what, and she lived this through detachment.
> ..........As Barbara detached from the pain, she literally moved into a higher
> > place in the brain .......
> >She had to surrender to what was, and in so doing so she was totally lifted out of the place that was really hell for her at the time when we got together. Detachment is what she mastered, ....
Gloria, this reminds me of my dad who passed away in 1984, April 20.
He was diagnosed of tongue cancer, in New Jersey, at my sister's place, in November 1983. From February 1984 onwards he could not talk as it was very painful. The specialists in New Jersey, wanted to amputate his tongue , which he did not go for. He was spoon fed by my sister and brother-in law, during that time. He was also offered morphine but he refused that too, later on.
In late January , after speaking to him , I wrote him a letter, and asked him to surrender to God, which I am sure he did, and I also prayed for his remission of painful living, and allowed the Divine to take its own course. and after a week or so he was no more in pain, when he refuse the morphine. and used to sleep peacefully a lot.
In Mid March 1984, we chatted briefly on the phone, when he told me the visions of Saints he had experienced come to soothe him from time to time.
Then in mid April, my sister informed, that he has expressed his desire , in writing, that he wished to return back to his room in the house, in Calcutta, where he had made a shrine of his own.
This was arranged , my brother-in law from Chicago accompanied him for the flight home. On the way he had no trouble at all, no pain, and he wrote down his visions in a scratch pad, which he asked my brother-in law to give to me.
I still have, in which he had written, that the whole interior of the plane was flooded in soothing light, then a white robed, bearded person , quite tall and slender appeared, to him, and asked him to be at peace with himself, and stroked his head. He was very happy, and alluded that it was Jesus, who came to soothe him.
On arrival, he went to his shrine room, and lay down to rest, after an hour my uncle went to see him, and found that LIFE had gone out of the body.
Now think of it, my dad , born a Hindu, lived a Hindu, died and cremated a Hindu, had the touch of Christ.; He was not baptized or taken the holy sacrament. So, I guess , he was not condemned, as many believe that unless you accept Christ as your saviour, you are condemned eternally in hell.
To them I would say they are already in hell. I am digressing here. Sorry.
All this happened, due to his total surrender and detachment as you say. In Sanskrit the word we use is "Saranagatahah" in nearest English it would mean self-abnegation. In our tradition, it means a combination, of trust, surrender, devotion, sincerity, detachment, dependent solely on the will of the Divine, all combined. There the ego has no face anymore, the small ego just steps aside, for the Divine within to emerge.
I am sure your friend Barbara had similar experience of the Divine Communion, even while in the body. That's ineffable bliss. Is this K? Yes it is.
So, yes detachment also strengthens through regular practice, what doesn't?
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:53:07 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com, AfperryATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Gradual awakening
Message-ID: <a06754b.34bbfe69ATnospamaol.com>
Afperry wrote:
Gloria here:
I have left the whole conversation of Alans on so that I could send it
on to the heart list, so if you have already read this just scan it down
to what I have written if you are interested...
>
> Dear List,
>
> May I proffer a topic for discussion. Much attention has been focused on the
> sudden awakening of kundalini and its dramatic effects, but my experience
with
> meditators has been that the kundalini more usually awakens gradually and
> gently over an extended period of time. snip...
Harsha writes: I think both Alan and Gloria offer wisdom and insight.
Although there are classical symptoms of Kundalini awakening, at the same time
this is an individual and a unique process. It might be useful if someone
wants to follow up on this discussion to read my paper (under the name
Harshacharya) which is at the Kundalini Gateway Website and Freda's homepage.
In that paper, I have attempted to explain using pretty much plain english the
type of spiritual practices which may lead to a dramatic awakening versus
those which may lead to a gradual and later awakening. For now, I would only
point out that the intensity and type of spiritual practice, regulation of
sexual conduct, and to some extent the age of the person are correlated to the
type of awakening experienced. The paper reflects my experience with the
Kundalini Shakti going back 23 years. My own awakening was dramatic and I had
to struggle for some years due to my particular situation. However, a normal
awakening, even if it is sudden and dramatic is not a cause for alarm,
particularly if guidance is available. I have come to the conclusion that
enjoying purity of mind is more important and sets the foundation for long
term success. Gradual and gentle practice is always best. One should slowly
build up the intensity if one is so inclined. God bless you all with success
and Self-Realization.
Harsha
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:03:04 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Cc: TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com, samyanaATnospamhotmail.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: WAS Energies/Detachment IS??
Message-ID: <3f21d24f.34bc00baATnospamaol.com>
Thank you for sharing that beautiful story about your father with us
Anandajyoti. It was very moving and inspiring. You are something special!
Harsha
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:54:07 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: sassiATnospamWORLDNET.ATT.NET
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Biofeedback
Message-ID: <fc24f330.34bbfea4ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-13 00:07:34 EST, you write:
>
> "Since then someresearchers have measured this enegy in some
> meditators and found that there is a higher frequency range of 350 to
> 500 HZ. Normal EEG readings of the brain are usually within the 0 to
> 50 HZ range."
>
> Ideally, 7.5-7.8 Hz is what I'm looking for.
>
>
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> ----------
> Still and Silent I have kept
> Loved you very Quietly
> from a distance as you slept
> Know that one day this Love of Mine
> will overtake; it must!
> Nothing much I can do because
> inevitably this Heart will burst
> being much too full for too long
> with unsung lullabies and songs
> but I am only too content
> to just let it go like that.
>
> ATnospam->->-- A rose by any other name...
>
> This stuff is killing me. more meaning to me than anyone will ever
> know. Your quote I take it is from Will Shakespeare, right ? Or is
> there a different meaning to you ?
>
> Peace,
>
> Jack
Jack,
Sorry for the confusion. The poem was written by H Luthar on our list after he
read about my Light experience and the love I fell. It reminded him of his own
love. The other quote , about the HZ, is from my book, and finally, I do not
know who wrote about the rose. I identify with the rose. ATnospam->->-- , the
symbol for love.
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:11:24 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: eeaATnospamaug.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Radiant Being
Message-ID: <25141ff8.34bc02b1ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-13 13:56:38 EST, you write:
> >
> You are quite right about 'love', pure and simple. Only pure love, which
is
> unconditional, is not that easy to achieve. That is why so many books have
> been written about it. I have cut my reading to a bare minimal, having
> learned the truth of love lies within the core of my being. Since doing so I
have
> come a lot closer to that truth, and am better able to share it. I'm also
working
> on how to do it on the internet -beyond the level of words. I'm 'sending'
to you
> now.
> Ed.
>
ATnospam->->-- Thank You! It is said we can be our own Guru. I think that when we
seek the truth that is within our hearts, the wisdom that comes from love will
guide us.
Love and Light, Linda
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:25:12 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Lonely Childhood
Message-ID: <71f7f23d.34bc05eaATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-13 15:40:45 EST, you write:
> child thought an odd thing to do, at an entertainment.. then a human face
> replaced it, and it said aircraft that had never been seen before were
> coming and we would all get to go for a ride.
ATnospam->->--
Your wonderful descriptions of your visions reminded me of my personal terrors
and feelings as a child. I was a very lonely child and alone a lot. Many of
the friends whom I meet along this path have also had lonely child hoods. In
sleep, I strayed very far away from my body. It was as if the connection I
needed was not strong enough to hold me in this dimension, so off I went! Love
and Light, Linda
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:46:58 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: SchrLLATnospamaol.com, sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Biofeedback
Message-ID: <2514b52e.34bc0b0eATnospamaol.com>
This stuff is killing me. more meaning to me than anyone will ever
> know. Your quote I take it is from Will Shakespeare, right ? Or is
> there a different meaning to you ?
>
> Peace,
>
> Jack
Harsha (Harsh K. Luthar) writes: To clarify, the following two stanzas are
from a longer love poem that I wrote some years ago. I recited them from
memory as the full poem was not in front of me. It reflects the deep and
unconditional love that is powerless due to the force of destiny and so is
content to remain silent. And in silence it becomes overwhelming and its
fragrance bursts the Heart, and floods the cosmos.
> Still and Silent I have kept
> Loved you very Quietly
> from a distance as you slept
> Know that one day this Love of Mine
> will overtake; it must!
> Nothing much I can do because
> inevitably this Heart will burst
> being much too full for too long
> with unsung lullabies and songs
> but I am only too content
to just let it go like that
Harsha
.
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:35:52 -0800
From: iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Confusion and Compulsion
Message-Id: <199801131934.NAA31075ATnospamsmtp1>
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I read the threads. Sometimes I post.
I do not understand everything that is going on and so I dont feel that I
have much to contribute to the ongoing discussions yet...In time I will...I
feel confident of that...Please bear with me while I learn. There is so much
to learn
and I am as yet very ignorant on matter of K.
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I am confused about why I replied to a question the way I did.
I was asked if I were to go on vacation where would I like to go....seems
simple enough, right....my answer though was unusal in nature. Instead of
saying hawaii or mexico or some such reply....I suddenly felt it neccesary
to say, the mountain carvings in Peru where it reportedly looks like
carvings that can only be seen from the sky, and the pyramids in Mexico,
Egypt, South America, and Easter Island where the huge statues are located,
Stonehenge in England, Axis Ethopia where there are something like 900
places of worship all having the Ark of the Covenant as their main
feature....Supposedly one is the real thing and the others are replicas to
confuse anybody from discovering which is real: that coupled with immense
security makes it nearly impossible to steal the real thing. Only when the
time is right will the Ark of the Covenant be returned to the holy land. I
said that i was not interested in seeing the normal tourist type stuff just
those artifacts that seemly are unusual and defy explanation....
So my query is this, why would I answer such a simple question with such an
unusual reply...even for me. What is drawing me to those places? Why now?
I am also more spiritually aware this year, more than I have ever been...why?
what is the instigator? One last thing, where are the crystal skulls?
they call out...why? I do not know which ones or if it matters...the
question is the same...why?
Totally Discombobulated Perplexed and K'd
Please help me to understand what is going on...if you can
BTW, I saw a tv advertisement for a new movie coming out called Kundun...
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:23:42 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
Cc: "heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Clarification on Some Fundamentals Invited
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On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, anandajyoti wrote:
> What are feelings? As I understand it , it is the response created by
> our heart., mind, emotions, and phsyical objects on our minds.This can
> happen in two ways, I believe.
> One, sensations from the outside, through the five sensory organs, and
>
> Two, also through the ego, emotions, and the spirit.
> Can all type of feelings touch the heart?
> Or do all feelings generate or emerge from our ego?
> How would one diffrentiate its source as to where the feelings are
> emerging from?
> Any comments or suggestions are welcome on the list, as there are many
> on the list who are so well versed on it.
>
> Anandajyoti
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
>
>
A paragraph from Buddhist Tipitaka...
Ignorance is origin of mental forces.
mental corces, the origin of life continuam,
life continuam, the origin of mind from matter,
mind from matter, the origin of sense centers,
sense centers , the origin of contact,
contact, the origin of SENSATIONS,
sensations, the origin of desire,
desire, the origin of attachment,
attachment, the origin of becoming(existance),
becoming, the origin of birth,
birth, the origin of oldage, illness, death,anxiety,agony,pain(all
suffering)
if one wants to break this chain, one has to do it at sensation level
in the body. Vippasana or Suniata meditation is only the answer.
K-energy is a severe form of sensation and observing it with detachment
or samta is Suniata meditation. Which is the path to Nirvana enlightment.
This gives a simple answer that k-energy (as is termed by the list)
is necessay for nirvanic enlightment
But k-energy is not at all necessary for Moksh enlightment.
Shahanshah>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 03:34:37 -0500
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Biomagnetics > KA > Radiant Being
Message-Id: <199801130834.DAA19911ATnospamsandia.aug.com>
Speaking for myself, at least, it seems that the biomagnetic realm of nature
has been seriously overlooked or under estimated as a factor in building true
quaternity of being: physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual integrity. A
difficulty is that humans caught in the cosmic polarity of spirit and matter,
have a tendency to extremes. The present quickening of material uncertainty
in society-at-large, and the possibility of 'spiritual' over-reaction, seems to
support this notion.
I believe that much of human suffering comes from the inability to recognize
the existence of this biomagnetic realm and its importance to human
development. Consider for a moment the fact that God, the absolute, the
Supreme Essence, so remote from human perception, was 'discovered' long
before the biomagnetic realm; its just too close to the human self-image to be
easily recognized. Another barrier in recognizing this realm is its ephemeral
and unstable nature, as it is reflected in human behavior.
For many years I wondered about that unseen or undeveloped aspect of human
nature which energizes the individual, and which explains the differences in
individual ability. Recently, in deep meditation, I identified a recurrent
feeling or sensation as this illusive 'biomagnetic' or 'etheric' field (I may
be using terms somewhat loosely here). In reflecting upon the potential of this
energy field, I became aware of its diverse functions in child development,
healing, Kundalini Awakening, spiritual growth and social transformation.
Aside from everyday experiences, I have had some unusual ones which are
explained by this biomagnetic field, and which were verified by subjective
observation. Of course, we all have had such experiences and are capable
of making such observations.
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